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RMGOdirector
06-30-2011, 15:06
Criminals, sex offenders and . . .

. . . concealed weapon permit holders.

For years, the State of Colorado has stored personal, private information about permit holders in the same database as the most dangerous individuals in Colorado.

Unfortunately, many sheriffs in Colorado voluntarily offer up private data about concealed weapons permit holders in their county to the Colorado Crime Information Center (CCIC).

That's right, your personal information is stored in a "Crime" information center -- all because you went through the trouble of getting a concealed weapons permit.

The private information stored in Colorado's concealed weapon permit holder database includes, but is not limited to, your:

>>> Social Security number;

>>> Driver's license number;

>>> Occupation;

>>> Home address and telephone number.

But that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Your private information is available to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) -- at any time -- subject to be passed onto the FBI's national gun owner database at Quantico, VA.

I do have some good news.

Soon, you and I can stop this unconstitutional collection of private data.

Thanks to the efforts of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, beginning July 1, it will be illegal for ANY sheriff to share ANY information about concealed weapon permit holders with ANY law enforcement agency for the purpose of creating a database of permit holders.

But that's not all.

ALL information concerning concealed weapon permit holders contained within the CCIC MUST BE REMOVED no later than July 1.

You read that correctly.

The CCIC must be wiped clean of gun owner data by July 1!

I would love to say that you and I will wake up July 2 with our private information no longer collected within a Colorado state government database . . .

. . . but I have to tell you, that is not a sure thing.

With anti-gun Democrat Governor John Hickenlooper sitting in the Governor's mansion anything is possible, even an executive order extending the life of this illegal collection of personal data.

You and I must be prepared in case Governor Hickenlooper or CBI bureaucrats decide to stick it to Colorado gun owners.

In fact, I was so certain that you would support a legal challenge to make sure this information is no longer collected -- and destroy what currently exists -- I have gone ahead and filed legal papers.

But taking on Governor Hickenlooper, and the CCIC, won't be cheap.

That's why I'm counting on you to help me cobble together a "Delete the Database" war chest of $20,000.

Can you afford to help fill the war chest with a generous contribution of $500, $100, $50 or whatever you can afford (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/6242911:9190035268:m:1:244880170:B267777FDA9A71974 1AE1FDD7E43A890)?

I plan on being in Downtown Denver at the headquarters of the CBI on July 5 demanding to receive personal confirmation that the concealed weapon permit holder database has been deleted and is no longer collecting data.

If I find out that the database continues to collect, store and function as an illegal collection of private information about permit holders, I want to be able to file in court -- IMMEDIATELY!

Will you chip in to support this effort (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/6242911:9190035268:m:1:244880170:B267777FDA9A71974 1AE1FDD7E43A890)?

Not only am I passionate about protecting your ability to carry here in Colorado but also your ability to carry without ANY government agency knowing that you do.

For years, Rocky Mountain Gun Owners has fought against this illegal collection and storing of data on your behalf.

Now, you and I have an opportunity to end it once and for all.

Will you join me in this battle (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/6242911:9190035268:m:1:244880170:B267777FDA9A71974 1AE1FDD7E43A890)?

Sincerely,

http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/cimages/d9b0764a441755fae84a0de3b2016bbd/DWBsignature.jpg

Dudley Brown
Executive Director, Rocky Mountain Gun Owners

P.S. The State of Colorado is collecting personal, private data about concealed weapons permit holders in a criminal database.

On July 1, Colorado law requires the database to be eliminated and wiped clean -- but only if Governor Hickenlooper doesn't intervene to extend its' life.

Please help fill the "Delete the Database" war chest by making a generous contribution of $500, $100, $50 or whatever you can afford (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/6242911:9190035268:m:1:244880170:B267777FDA9A71974 1AE1FDD7E43A890).
alxone
06-30-2011, 19:27
Please help fill the "Delete the Database" war chest by making a generous contribution of $500, $100, $50 or whatever you can afford (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/6242911:9190035268:m:1:244880170:B267777FDA9A71974 1AE1FDD7E43A890).
ok if you want my green backs i want clean open space gun ranges. ill give you 10 bucks for each day you show up to help with my regular range clean up .10 bucks is more bucks than i make doin it , so from where i sit thats a good deal .[Tooth]
SA Friday
06-30-2011, 20:01
Having had access to CCIC, NCIC, and about 30 other LE and counterintel databases, both classified and unclassified, over the last 11 years, I can tell you this post is rife with incorrect information.

And you're using it to pander.
Guylee
06-30-2011, 21:31
There's a reason I removed myself from the mailing list. If threads like this become commonplace, I won't be returning to this site. Which is unfortunate, becaus eI was really starting to like it here.
Irving
06-30-2011, 21:51
Well, you don't have to click on the threads.
banks74
06-30-2011, 22:35
Well, you don't have to click on the threads.

+1
islandermyk
07-01-2011, 01:16
ok if you want my green backs i want clean open space gun ranges. ill give you 10 bucks for each day you show up to help with my regular range clean up .10 bucks is more bucks than i make doin it , so from where i sit thats a good deal .[Tooth]

Don't want to leave out... Alexone is keeping all the metal cases, and lead that you gather up as well... cha-ching [Beer]
DOC
07-01-2011, 02:13
We are all into guns together.
DOC
07-01-2011, 02:49
I also would like to add as long as he is fighting for gun rights I always send at least $5 a month. Its more than I give the NRA and more then NRA would deserve.
bobbyfairbanks
07-01-2011, 03:00
I took myself off of the mailing list as well. The reason behind is.... Not ever second of every day is some black clad man with bombs and machine guns, going to bash down my door and take away my guns. The mailings are also filled with such horrible drama. If and or when the emails change to being a little more realistic about the defense of the 2nd Amendment you will once again have my support. Please drop the drama. I like RMGO so much more then the NRA please keep it that way.

Keep up the good fight that you guys are doing and I will continue to write my reps.
RMGOdirector
07-01-2011, 08:59
Please, go ahead and compare the number of appeals RMGO makes to the NRA. It's not even close.

We ask when there's a need.

This database entry of permit holders is one issue that actually surprised me: it has angered more gun owners than almost any issue I've seen in two decades.
Byte Stryke
07-01-2011, 09:02
Please, go ahead and compare the number of appeals RMGO makes to the NRA. It's not even close.

We ask when there's a need.

This database entry of permit holders is one issue that actually surprised me: it has angered more gun owners than almost any issue I've seen in two decades.


Their Database, your Database, both being abused...
Not surprised by either.
CMP_5.56
07-01-2011, 09:09
I just went and looked at the last ten emails I have received from RMGO, and it seems to me each and every one of them is asking for money. Whether outright pleading for it or just the link in every email that asks. Either way It's the use of fear and doom that I think most people ate the most upset with.
Irving
07-01-2011, 09:18
The doom and gloom only works for people who had no previous knowledge of the topic.
Ronin13
07-01-2011, 09:50
All I got out of that is: "The government will do whatever the hell they want to do but we're telling them it's wrong... give me money please."
Sorry but that dog won't hunt. If Hickenlooper wants to trump the database deletion we really can't stop him. If CBI, FBI and any other agency wants to access our info and find the gun owners, there isn't much stopping them. Is it wrong? Yes. Can we fix it? Yes. Will it be easy? No. But coming on here with fear mongering and this talk of the possibility it's all futile, well Dudley, shame on you. Advertising that you need donations and that money could be donated into something that could ultimately be shot down? I say no. The best thing we can do is hope that we can get some more gun friendly folks into power, maybe lobby, and tell your NRA reps that we see a big problem here and would like their help. Don't make it so someone can pull a trump card and throw hard work away. Make it so they NEVER are able to do this. Delete the database for good, don't leave them any leeway, any loopholes, and no ace in the hole retorts.
DOC
07-01-2011, 09:59
If we could get the Constitutional permit less concealed carry into law. This whole database would become a nothing issue.
Ronin13
07-01-2011, 10:07
If we could get the Constitutional permit less concealed carry into law. This whole database would become a nothing issue.

But what about those already in the database? If we shut it down without possibility of abuse, or re-entry into our world the better we'll be.
DOC
07-01-2011, 10:14
But what about those already in the database? If we shut it down without possibility of abuse, or re-entry into our world the better we'll be.
It would make for a really good reason to shut down any data base they have as a wasteful crap that only a government would want or make.
alxone
07-01-2011, 10:20
Don't want to leave out... Alexone is keeping all the metal cases, and lead that you gather up as well... cha-ching [Beer]
its really not that much after gas i make a cool 1-3 bucks an hour (at best)
its mostly a labor of love [Flower]
alxone
07-01-2011, 10:23
also if dudley shows up there goes my days pay as i offered him my ten dollars to help out
islandermyk
07-01-2011, 19:57
also if dudley shows up there goes my days pay as i offered him my ten dollars to help out

Let's get a reloader kit thinga majig... and reload all that brass! It's free brass... We'll just open up shop and sell'em back to the guys at the range.. [AR15]..