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Okay, had another mis-adventure this weekend... so I went and saw the new Transformers movie with my cousin (forgive her, she's a bit of a lib). She invited her friend who upon first meeting him I could tell exactly what he was: One of those "shove it down your throat til you gag" (figuratively, don't take that the wrong way) "we're here we're queer," self-proclaimed: "Extremely gay man." Well he was really loud, really annoying, and very very flamboyant. He was loud and obnoxious throughout the whole movie, in his very feminine "gay voice," and had the gall to attack my taste in women (yes, I found the girl in Transformers to be so darn sexy!). He even, in front of some clearly young kids (10-13 range) asked my cousin if she had "Dick flavored gum." Don't get me wrong, I'm not against people's rights to choose to do what makes them happy as long as it doesn't interfere with my pursuit of happiness (cars, women, guns, the like)- my dad's brother was gay, so I don't hate them all, but I hate how some feel the need to have to shove it in our faces and serve up the "accept us" sandwich and try to make us eat it. Don't care... /rant
Thoughts?
Jumpstart
07-05-2011, 13:52
Beat down?
ghettodub
07-05-2011, 13:53
Be a bigger person, just ignore it. Don't hang out with him again...
that's my .02
HBARleatherneck
07-05-2011, 13:56
he couldnt, that would be an additional charge for bias motivated crime.
if he beat up a straight guy, nobody would care.
gays want to be equal and special at the same time. (so do many people)
he couldnt, that would be an additional charge for bias motivated crime.
if he beat up a straight guy, nobody would care.
gays want to be equal and special at the same time. (so do many people)
Right? And I feared the whole time to tell him to shut up he'd think I was "gay bashing." Kinda messed up how our world works- hate crime if a white guy beats down a black guy, but vis a versa? Poverty is to blame. [Mad]
Our society is so screwed up with these gay pride parades, Will & Grace, and the other Liberal BS, but guarantee, if I had a straight pride parade with half naked women everywhere I'd probably be sued, arrested, and stoned to death.
he couldnt, that would be an additional charge for bias motivated crime.
if he beat up a straight guy, nobody would care.
gays want to be equal and special at the same time. (so do many people)
So arrange for a raging, man hating bull dyke to kick his sissy ass...let 'em try and sort THAT out in PC court...[LOL]
CrufflerSteve
07-05-2011, 14:00
I heard a great saying once, "Assholes must advertise." You met a gay jerk. There's all sorts of jerks and there's something about it that doesn't let them be quietly jerky. Ignore & avoid him. It's a lose-lose trying to deal with such folk. You end up in a fight or you end up a jerk.
Steve
It is not that much different that any asshat that I have been in a social situation with. I would simply ask anyone, straight gay or otherwise to simply tone it down. Something like, "Hey mate, you are acting like a complete asshat. Why don't you shut the fuck up and let me watch the movie in peace?" I have no problem telling ANYONE what I think, and that is why I am NOT prejudiced, straight or gay, black or white, libtard or right winger I don't discriminate when calling out bullshit or bullshit artists.
If that didn't get the desired result, I would simply leave the movie and ask for my money back due to asshats ruining my movie, and return at another time.
You know, our most precious commodity is time, and I refuse to waste mine with idiots regardless of their sexual orientation.
Cameron
I agree with Cameron. Ask him to quiet down, have a sense of politeness. If they continue, then leave and make sure you don't do anything with them again.
Byte Stryke
07-05-2011, 17:24
Be a bigger person, just ignore it. Don't hang out with him again...
that's my .02
I heard a great saying once, "Assholes must advertise." You met a gay jerk. There's all sorts of jerks and there's something about it that doesn't let them be quietly jerky. Ignore & avoid him. It's a lose-lose trying to deal with such folk. You end up in a fight or you end up a jerk.
Steve
I agree with Cameron. Ask him to quiet down, have a sense of politeness. If they continue, then leave and make sure you don't do anything with them again.
^ These.
I know some G&L that would have been appalled at this. Just as not all Gun advocates are para-military anti-government wackos, not all G&Ls are loud boisterous in your face flamers.
You will find inconsiderate assholes regardless of which group you hang with.
I have no problem telling an asshole to shut up, quiet down or get the fuck outa my space. Gay or otherewise.
At the fireworks show the other night these parents had a little girl that screamed at the top of her lungs in my ear I told them they needed to muzzle her, they moved.
BPTactical
07-05-2011, 18:22
Obnoxious is obnoxious regardless of who or what they sleep with.
Move on, pick your battles.
On the subject of "Gay Marriage" I say go right ahead. You want equal rights? Well you are fully entitled to be as miserable as the rest of us[Tooth]
Enough of em get married we will quickly see the "Gay" lose any correlation to "Happy"
ghettodub
07-05-2011, 18:26
On the subject of "Gay Marriage" I say go right ahead. You want equal rights? Well you are fully entitled to be as miserable as the rest of us[Tooth]
Enough of em get married we will quickly see the "Gay" lose any correlation to "Happy"
hah, that's always been my thought on the matter too! [Coffee]
A lot of gay men feel like they need to be way over the top and shocking to compensate for their fear and feelings of inadequacy. Just like a bully acts like a jerk to the kids who can read.
So what was he trying to shove down your throat[ROFL1]
I heard a great saying once, "Assholes must advertise." You met a gay jerk. There's all sorts of jerks and there's something about it that doesn't let them be quietly jerky. Ignore & avoid him. It's a lose-lose trying to deal with such folk. You end up in a fight or you end up a jerk.
Steve
We need to add some sort of +1 button to this forum, so I can just scroll down to the first response I agree with, give it another point, and move on.
H.
So what was he trying to shove down your throat[ROFL1]
Well the .45 on my hip made sure absolutely nothing at all- except his "Accept me because I'm gay!" bull...
I have no problem telling an asshole to shut up, quiet down or get the fuck outa my space. Gay or otherewise.
At the fireworks show the other night these parents had a little girl that screamed at the top of her lungs in my ear I told them they needed to muzzle her, they moved.
I think my cousin would have gotten pretty pissed at me if I told her that her fag needs a muzzle (and no I don't call all gay people that word, just the obnoxious, over the top, pushy ones. I'm not going to Matthew Shepard someone but I would like to tell them "I f***ing got it! You're gay and you're proud, move on!!"
Sorry there is just something I can't understand about a man who doesn't love women (in the romantic/physical sense)... I love watching sports with my buddies, but I will not ever take them out to dinner, and then go back to the house for some intimate time- and I really don't see how a man can find love in another man's hairy you-know-what (rhymes with cut-rack).
BushMasterBoy
07-06-2011, 14:02
Homos on the range...
I am a white, heterosexual, right wing, gun toting, minority.
And Proud of it.
I am a white, heterosexual, right wing, gun toting, minority.
And Proud of it.
Same here... +1... do they have those scholarships for our minority? I wanna be able to send my children to college one day!
Jumpstart
07-06-2011, 14:18
I am a white, heterosexual, right wing, gun toting, minority.
And Proud of it.
You may want to check into getting some type of special government programs because of your minority status. Oh wait, YOU do have one, Affirmative Action. (insert sarcasm)
If we started one we would be racisits.
...my dad's brother was gay, so I don't hate them all...
Why not call him "My Uncle"?
Some folks are quietly offended by the actions or even the mere presence of those who are different from us. Even though you write that you "don't hate them all", you are clearly not comfortable around homosexual folks.
I will be brutally honest in my opinion... This man is not really trying to "shove his views down your throat". He is just being himself. You can either accept him as he is or you can choose to keep him away but we cannot expect others to change their ways to please us.
BPTactical
07-07-2011, 22:20
Well the .45 on my hip made sure absolutely nothing at all.
Now here is where you screwed up Ronin. When he asked for "Dick flavored gum" I would have handed him a cartridge and told him "don't know about the taste but I figure you are familiar with the shape".
Jus sayin...............
mcantar18c
07-07-2011, 23:14
I will be brutally honest in my opinion... This man is not really trying to "shove his views down your throat". He is just being himself. You can either accept him as he is or you can choose to keep him away but we cannot expect others to change their ways to please us.
My turn, brutal honesty is fun. I have no problem with someone being gay. When they're flaming, proud, in your face, whatever about it is when it annoys me. I'm not talking about the ones that talk with lisps, my mother was a speech therapist and I've never associated lisps and such with gays, I'm talking about the ones that go around asking if anybody has "dick flavored gum."
I see gays the same as I see mentally retarded people, and I can't help but feel sorry for them. The way I see it, they're broken (in an evolutionary sense). Gays generally claim that its something they were born as, not a choice. Based on that, something went wrong in their DNA and some wires in their brain got crossed, causing them to be attracted to members of the same sex. From an evolutionary standpoint, they aren't capable of reproducing and continuing the species, and will die without having created offspring, eliminating them from the gene pool (think Darwin here). They can still function just fine in society and be a productive member of our society, and so I have absolutely no problems with them, they don't bother me and I don't have any kind of prejudice towards them... I just don't see that as something to be "proud" of, and when they are its just annoying. You might see my opinion as prejudiced or hateful or what have you, I see it as logical.
I don't think you'll find a person in the entire world that doesn't have the desire to be "proud" of themselves, no matter how they were born.
I just don't see that as something to be "proud" of
This was explained to me once by a very cute bi-girl, essentially, they aren't "proud" to be gay in the sense you're thinking, as much as it's the opposite of shame. Many (most?) of them are (were?) told that being gay was wrong, and they should be ashamed to be so. Thus the whole "keeping it in the closet" thing.
H.
funkfool
07-08-2011, 09:28
... and stoned to death.
No.. that is a different parade...[ROFL1]
The way I see it, they're broken (in an evolutionary sense). Gays generally claim that its something they were born as, not a choice. Based on that, something went wrong in their DNA and some wires in their brain got crossed, causing them to be attracted to members of the same sex. From an evolutionary standpoint, they aren't capable of reproducing and continuing the species, and will die without having created offspring, eliminating them from the gene pool (think Darwin here).
Great point! Evolution has an answer for them...
Some folks are quietly offended by the actions or even the mere presence of those who are different from us. Even though you write that you "don't hate them all", you are clearly not comfortable around homosexual folks.
I will be brutally honest in my opinion... This man is not really trying to "shove his views down your throat". He is just being himself. You can either accept him as he is or you can choose to keep him away but we cannot expect others to change their ways to please us.
I am not comfortable around some homosexuals... I'm fine with them choosing what they do in life, but does it mean I support or approve of it? No. But that is a CHOICE I have made for myself. Celebrate the freedom to choose. I can choose not to like something or to like something, but gay buttsecks is something I find quite nasty.
So did the movie suck?
No, it was an awesome movie, just could have done without Jack (ala Will & Grace) talking loudly every 10-20min.
ghettodub
07-08-2011, 10:12
No, it was an awesome movie, just could have done without Jack (ala Will & Grace) talking loudly every 10-20min.
Dude, I think you knowing about Will and Grace may say something...
[Coffee]
i keed, i keed
ghettodub
07-08-2011, 10:17
My turn, brutal honesty is fun. I have no problem with someone being gay. When they're flaming, proud, in your face, whatever about it is when it annoys me.
for me, that goes with any group really. I'm annoyed by anyone like that...
for me, that goes with any group really. I'm annoyed by anyone like that...
Lots of stuff annoys me too... fat, loud women who think they're sexier than Megan Fox wearing a white tee on a rainy day; people who think their gremlin resembling children are cute; Raiders fans... I could spend an hour thinking up all the stuff that annoys me.
ghettodub
07-08-2011, 10:24
Lots of stuff annoys me too... fat, loud women who think they're sexier than Megan Fox wearing a white tee on a rainy day; people who think their gremlin resembling children are cute; Raiders fans... I could spend an hour thinking up all the stuff that annoys me.
just remember ladies: spandex is a privilege, not a right...[LOL]
rockhound
07-08-2011, 15:05
just go home, why put up with it. you didn't have to stay. tell your cousin you will be happy to go out again without the douche friend.
just go home, why put up with it. you didn't have to stay. tell your cousin you will be happy to go out again without the douche friend.
Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner. Stand your ground and leave in protest. They may huff and puff but they will get the message that they are annoying you. I usually throw my drink at the people talking when it gets dark enough where they can't see it was me. And that means I'm out $4 for the cherry coke and $5 worth of Jack Daniels. Its worth it.
just go home, why put up with it. you didn't have to stay. tell your cousin you will be happy to go out again without the douche friend.
While i see your point i also have to say in general i think that the guy should have been a little less "in your face" about being butt pirate on the ss ride-a-dick and considered that maybe everyone else around doesnt want to hear it. Also i would like to point out that if i pay the money to see a movie or really for anything am i not entitled to enjoy it without someone else being a douche. I can also see the problem with telling the snake swallower to stf is that it might have damaged his relationship with his cousin. You know what they say "a peter puffer is a gals best friend".
mcantar18c
07-08-2011, 17:03
^this.
If I pay to go somewhere and enjoy a show, I'm entitled to do exactly that... enjoy the show.
Lots of stuff annoys me too... fat, loud women who think they're sexier than Megan Fox wearing a white tee on a rainy day;
Fat women ARE more sexy than that f'ing skank.
nogaroheli
07-08-2011, 19:10
Fat women ARE more sexy than that f'ing skank.
How dare you! She's a nice lady! :)
And she looks oh so smart, so smart.
Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner. Stand your ground and leave in protest. They may huff and puff but they will get the message that they are annoying you. I usually throw my drink at the people talking when it gets dark enough where they can't see it was me. And that means I'm out $4 for the cherry coke and $5 worth of Jack Daniels. Its worth it.
That's why I throw popcorn, its only like $1 per kernel these days. [Coffee]
Colorado Luckydog
07-08-2011, 21:52
Well, we all know, I'm not poltically correct. So, here's my view...
...I do have a problem with fucking fags. Being a fag is wrong and sick. If you're a guy and you prefer to have sex with another guy, you are fucked up. If your a girl and prefer to have sex with another girl, you are just as fucked up as the male fag. Not only are you fucked up, you will probably smoke yourself. Fags have the highest suicide rates in the world. Why, because they are fucked up in the head. That's not my opinion, it's a fact.
Being gay is wrong. I'm not going to throw out any religious reasons. If you are gay, you're wrong because of nature itself. It's not the way it was meant to happen. It's just not.
Sorry, I used profainity but it's a lot better for kids to read the truth than all of the politicaly correct bullshit that was being posted. The only person that came close was MTN. Man. What the fuck???
I would have waited until no one could hear and then told the little cocksucker to stay the fuck out of my way.
Hey man dont hide it, tell us how you really feel[Coffee]
While i see your point i also have to say in general i think that the guy should have been a little less "in your face" about being butt pirate on the ss ride-a-dick and considered that maybe everyone else around doesnt want to hear it. Also i would like to point out that if i pay the money to see a movie or really for anything am i not entitled to enjoy it without someone else being a douche. I can also see the problem with telling the snake swallower to stf is that it might have damaged his relationship with his cousin. You know what they say "a peter puffer is a gals best friend".
Damn i guess i was being politicly correct...i will try harder next time.[Coffee]
mcantar18c
07-08-2011, 22:08
Well, we all know, I'm not poltically correct. So, here's my view...
...I do have a problem with fucking fags. Being a fag is wrong and sick. If you're a guy and you prefer to have sex with another guy, you are fucked up. If your a girl and prefer to have sex with another girl, you are just as fucked up as the male fag. Not only are you fucked up, you will probably smoke yourself. Fags have the highest suicide rates in the world. Why, because they are fucked up in the head. That's not my opinion, it's a fact.
Being gay is wrong. I'm not going to throw out any religious reasons. If you are gay, you're wrong because of nature itself. It's not the way it was meant to happen. It's just not.
Sorry, I used profainity but it's a lot better for kids to read the truth than all of the politicaly correct bullshit that was being posted. The only person that came close was MTN. Man. What the fuck???
I would have waited until no one could hear and then told the little cocksucker to stay the fuck out of my way.
I agree that its disgusting, wrong on every level, etc... but what someone decides to do behind closed doors is none of my business and I don't want to know about it. I won't ask, you don't tell.
Well, we all know, I'm not poltically correct. So, here's my view...
...I do have a problem with fucking fags. Being a fag is wrong and sick. If you're a guy and you prefer to have sex with another guy, you are fucked up. If your a girl and prefer to have sex with another girl, you are just as fucked up as the male fag. Not only are you fucked up, you will probably smoke yourself. Fags have the highest suicide rates in the world. Why, because they are fucked up in the head. That's not my opinion, it's a fact.
They have a high suicide rate because of people like you. How many gays have you beaten up in your life?
Colorado Luckydog
07-08-2011, 22:14
Damn i guess i was being politicly correct...i will try harder next time.[Coffee]
Sorry, I missed that![ROFL1]
Don't you guys know that if you don't tolerate everything and have a sense of right and wrong you're a bad person? Jeese, haven't you attended your mandatory brainwashing tolerance classes lately?
Colorado Luckydog
07-08-2011, 22:18
They have a high suicide rate because of people like you. How many gays have you beaten up in your life?
I'm so sorry. I should be more caring like you. WTF!
They were fucked up when they decide to start sucking cock. I didn't have a thing to do with that! JEESH!
Can't have a conversation with people who think it is a choice.
They have a high suicide rate because of people like you. How many gays have you beaten up in your life?
come on quit being mean to the straight guy, he might kill himself. Nope doesn't work that way for some reason. Most gay people admit feelings of guilt at some point of their life. But of course it's just all the homophobes that make them feel that way.
I feel homosexuality is a perversion. I avoid them when I can. I find it very disgusting. Why is that code to homos and their supporters that I hunt and kill them every chance I get. Just like irritating homos there are irritating and dangerous people who don't think homosexuality is ok. I don't buy the nonsense that just because I hold an opposing view to homos that it makes them kill themselves. A huge section of Americans think gunowners are sick demented people. Doesn't make me want to kill myself. Rant off. Back to lurking.
Colorado Luckydog
07-08-2011, 22:26
I agree that its disgusting, wrong on every level, etc... but what someone decides to do behind closed doors is none of my business and I don't want to know about it. I won't ask, you don't tell.
They won't keep it behind closed doors. They have to shove it in your face. That's what started this thread. They are some sick fucks.
Colorado Luckydog
07-08-2011, 22:28
Can't have a conversation with people who think it is a choice.
I didm't know. Sorry, I hope you get better.
I didm't know. Sorry, I hope you get better.
He won't, because it's not a choice. He, he
Just messing with ya irving. I don't really care what people think, can't change no one.
Colorado Luckydog
07-08-2011, 22:31
Can't have a conversation with people who think it is a choice.
I have a choice in everything I do in life. I can have sex with my wife. I can have sex with the neighbors wife, or I can have sex with the fucking neighbor. It's a choice, just like everything else in this world. If you suck a cock, you chose to do so. (unless you are in prison)
BPTactical
07-08-2011, 22:34
[Pop]
come on quit being mean to the straight guy, he might kill himself. Nope doesn't work that way for some reason.
Unless you are a teenager. Combat vets have a very high suicide rate as well. Would you tell a combat vet that they are a fucking loser fuck up for having emotional trauma after combat experiences? Just tell them to suck it up and deal with the choice that they made and quit being such a pussy?
Most gay people admit feelings of guilt at some point of their life. .
How many gay people do you know? I don't mean that guy who works in your office on some other floor. I mean people who's first and last name you know. People who's home you been in. How many?
I'm pretty positive that 99% of the people who spout off obnoxious rants about how terrible gay people are, don't actually know any gay people. If they do, those people are giving 110% effort to hide it from those guys because they think that if they don't hide, these loudly-against-gays will smash their head with a brick in the alley after work some day.
Colorado Luckydog
07-08-2011, 22:39
Unless you are a teenager. Combat vets have a very high suicide rate as well. Would you tell a combat vet that they are a fucking loser fuck up for having emotional trauma after combat experiences? Just tell them to suck it up and deal with the choice that they made and quit being such a pussy?
How many gay people do you know? I don't mean that guy who works in your office on some other floor. I mean people who's first and last name you know. People who's home you been in. How many?
Dude, I live in Colorado. Too, God Damned many. I even like most of them. It doesn't change the fact that they have chosen to go down the wrong road. How many fucking drug addicts do you know? Does it make it fucking right?
Unless you are a teenager. Combat vets have a very high suicide rate as well. Would you tell a combat vet that they are a fucking loser fuck up for having emotional trauma after combat experiences? Just tell them to suck it up and deal with the choice that they made and quit being such a pussy?
So now homosexuality is like a mental and/or behavioral disorder? Interesting comparison.
[Coffee]
mcantar18c
07-08-2011, 22:42
They have a high suicide rate because of people like you. How many gays have you beaten up in your life?
One that I knew was gay. He was f*ckin flaming. 'Twas a justified beating though, he was talking shit to and being disrespectful towards some girl that was sitting next to me, I overheard, got in his face and told him if I saw anything like that again he'd be eating concrete... then he slapped me, and proceeded to find out what concrete tastes like. Girl came home with me that night [Weight]
I didn't beat the chit out of him because he was gay, but that just added to the list of reasons I didn't like him.
They were fucked up when they decide to start sucking cock. I didn't have a thing to do with that! JEESH!
I'm still undecided on the whole choice vs. genetics thing, but in all honesty I don't really care. If they were born that way, they're f*cked up... if they chose it, they're REALLY f*cked up. So it doesn't really matter.
They won't keep it behind closed doors. They have to shove it in your face. That's what started this thread. They are some sick fucks.
Some do, some don't. The ones that do keep it behind closed doors, don't bother me because I don't know. The ones that ask for dick gum are another story.
mcantar18c
07-08-2011, 22:46
Combat vets have a very high suicide rate as well. Would you tell a combat vet that they are a fucking loser fuck up for having emotional trauma after combat experiences? Just tell them to suck it up and deal with the choice that they made and quit being such a pussy?
Are you seriously comparing sucking dick to a combat vet dealing with effects of a combat zone?
Not that it matters hearing this from some guy on the internet, but you just lost any and all respect I had for you.
So now homosexuality is like a mental and/or behavioral disorder? Interesting comparison.
[Coffee]
I don't know, is it? I don't like cutting myself, but some people do.
I could give a rant like Colorado Lucky Dog about hoarders. But since a hoarder isn't directly influencing my life in a negative way, then I don't see the reason to bother. You and I know that hoarders shouldn't be saving 25 years worth of used cat liter; but we've also seen that they are incapable of using the same logic that we are. They (hoarders) probably prefer not to be hoarders, but they aren't going to forsake the only identity they've ever had just because they aren't like the other 98% of the human race.
Colorado Lucky, yes, I do know drug addicts. Worst pieces of shit I have the unfortunate opportunity to have in my life. But I just avoid them at all costs and don't bother trying to tell them what fuck-ups they are. That's not the worst analogy, but I'd still say it is a little weak. You can be genetically inclined to have an addictive personality; then it is difficult to quit things. Or you can be born a man who likes men, and just changing your mind is about as easy as deciding not to get cancer or MS.
If you lived in a world where you were the only man who liked a nice, tight, shaved vagina, but no one else did, you'd go one of two ways. You'd either be emotionally distraught at your complete inability to like penises like everyone else. OR, you'd be stubborn and be totally proud of how much you liked vaginas, and everyone else would want to kick your ass because they felt like you were always cramming your love of vaginas down their throats. Either way, you'd probably get picked on in school and get your ass kicked a few times.
I see where you are coming from, I just don't understand all the anger. Who cares?
Are you seriously comparing sucking dick to a combat vet dealing with effects of a combat zone?
Not that it matters hearing this from some guy on the internet, but you just lost any and all respect I had for you.
Oh I went there. The end result is something that the person couldn't come to terms with. What is the difference?
mcantar18c
07-08-2011, 22:57
If you lived in a world where you were the only man who liked a nice, tight, shaved vagina, but no one else did, you'd go one of two ways. You'd either be emotionally distraught at your complete inability to like penises like everyone else. OR, you'd be stubborn and be totally proud of how much you liked vaginas, and everyone else would want to kick your ass because they felt like you were always cramming your love of vaginas down their throats.
OR, you could keep your love of vaginas behind closed doors and not bitch to the world about it.
I don't know, is it? I don't like cutting myself, but some people do.
I could give a rant like Colorado Lucky Dog about hoarders. But since a hoarder isn't directly influencing my life in a negative way, then I don't see the reason to bother. You and I know that hoarders shouldn't be saving 25 years worth of used cat liter; but we've also seen that they are incapable of using the same logic that we are. They (hoarders) probably prefer not to be hoarders, but they aren't going to forsake the only identity they've ever had just because they aren't like the other 98% of the human race.
Most psychiatric disorders can be cured by some form of psychiatric treatment. This includes 'cutters' and 'hoarders'. If homosexuality is just another psychiatric disorder, like you're suggesting (and like the people you disagree with seem to believe), why shouldn't it be treated?
I think a lot of people really try to do that.
mcantar18c
07-08-2011, 23:00
Oh I went there. The end result is something that the person couldn't come to terms with. What is the difference?
The difference is someone choosing to suck dick or being born with some wires crossed that makes them like to, vs someone volunteering to do something for the greater good and ending up having a hard time dealing with things they've seen and done.
Making a choice or simply being a certain way, vs dealing with the effects of something that they were subjected to.
No comparison, and a total disrespect for our soldiers.
Colorado Luckydog
07-08-2011, 23:01
Oh I went there. The end result is something that the person couldn't come to terms with. What is the difference?
What's the difference? How fucked up are you? One was defending our country and saw things he should have never seen. Have you ever heard of shell shock?
The other decided he wanted to suck a cock. I got to let this go, or I'm going to start asking to discuss this in person and that wouldn't go well.
Irving, you and people like you, are what is a big pronlem with this country.
Unless you are a teenager. Combat vets have a very high suicide rate as well. Would you tell a combat vet that they are a fucking loser fuck up for having emotional trauma after combat experiences? Just tell them to suck it up and deal with the choice that they made and quit being such a pussy?
How many gay people do you know? I don't mean that guy who works in your office on some other floor. I mean people who's first and last name you know. People who's home you been in. How many?
I'm pretty positive that 99% of the people who spout off obnoxious rants about how terrible gay people are, don't actually know any gay people. If they do, those people are giving 110% effort to hide it from those guys because they think that if they don't hide, these loudly-against-gays will smash their head with a brick in the alley after work some day.
I knew quite a few. The town I lived in was a small town in southeast ks. I'm not sure why, but there was a relatively large gay community. Most had moved in. There was 3 openly gay, and one that everyone knew was gay that was from local families. This is in a town of 3000. So yea, I knew their names.
One guy from Tulsa inherited a parts store/scrap yard. The town mostly ignored their homosexuality. There was the odd incident but most people just left them alone. The store eventually went out of business. People would go there but it wasn't the same to try to deal with 2 gay guys and 1 lesbian behind the counter. The gays would hit on men they thought were attractive, I saw it personally. Why is it so hard for social liberals to accept that that is disturbing to the local yocals. I know we're just a bunch of homicidal hicks bent on killing all we oppose, right? It doesn't matter if what we believe to be right is trampled on. We just need to evolve into better people. In a town of very conservative people you would think these homos would have been in terrible danger. No incidents that I was aware of.
I try to avoid thieves, druggies, Jehovah witnesses, pedophiles, whores (male and female) and other assorted riff raff that I judgmentally deem unfit to enjoy my companionship. I'm sure they miss it. lol
To answer your question, I find a difference between someone who has experienced severe trauma as a combat veteran and someone who experiences a completely different trauma because they chose to take it up the ass.
On the other hand I would defend any person regardless of what or who they are if they are being bullied or threatened by a mob. It's not cool to lower yourself that kind of activity. I fully respect everyone's right to live as they choose. Just as I will keep my right to distance myself from people who don't share my values.
Most psychiatric disorders can be cured by some form of psychiatric treatment. This includes 'cutters' and 'hoarders'. If homosexuality is just another psychiatric disorder, like you're suggesting (and like the people you disagree with seem to believe), why shouldn't it be treated?
It was. It was in the DSM for a few years, but they took it out. I think treating homosexuality is like treating being born deaf. You can try and get hearing aids, but you were still born deaf. Now everyone just stares at you and KNOWS you were born deaf.
The only "treatments" I've ever heard of for homosexuality were like shock therapy and Bible Camp. And just because something is labeled a disorder, doesn't mean it can be treated. I don't think you can "treat" something like Borderline Personality Disorder. You might be able to administer a pill that dulls personality, or train the person to put up an effective front to function in society; but you can't treat it that I know of.
What's the difference? How fucked up are you? One was defending our country and saw things he should have never seen. Have you ever heard of shell shock?
The other decided he wanted to suck a cock. I got to let this go, or I'm going to start asking to discuss this in person and that wouldn't go well.
Irving, you and people like you, are what is a big pronlem with this country.
You're getting very angry because you're completely missing the point. It doesn't matter how a person got messed up, once they are already messed up. Of course a soldier's sacrifice is honorable, but that's not what we're talking about. Don't let such an obvious pitfall get you side tracked from the conversation.
Colorado Luckydog
07-08-2011, 23:10
Irving, you have issues. I have no idea why you are on this site. I respect your right to be here just as I respect a fag to have the right to suck a cock. I also have the same respect for you as I do the fag. I hope we never meet. Like I said,I live in Colorado and I have met enough.
It doesn't matter how a person got messed up, once they are already messed up.
For the purposes of this conversation, I agree. "Messed up" people should receive the help they need.
If you walk around pretending schizophrenia is normal, for example, schizophrenics will never get help and be able to lead normal lives. But that's exactly what you're advocating.
I knew quite a few. The town I lived in was a small town in southeast ks. I'm not sure why, but there was a relatively large gay community. Was there a college in the town?
On the other hand I would defend any person regardless of what or who they are if they are being bullied or threatened by a mob. It's not cool to lower yourself that kind of activity. I fully respect everyone's right to live as they choose. Just as I will keep my right to distance myself from people who don't share my values.
I feel the exact same way. The two gay guys that I've been great friends with in my life are both very conservative (more so than most people on this board actually), or else we probably would never have been friends in the first place.
I'm not the flag waving Champion of all Homos that I come across here on the board, but it really irks me when people make ridiculous rants about gays. Then, of course when I'm just as blunt as the first guy, I'm the one that's fucked up and has a problem. I don't mind if people get angry at me for a little while on line. If you're not up to being called out on what you said, watch what you say next time.
P.S. Unwelcome advances toward people is rude and unacceptable no matter what. Sounds like those guys were set to go out of business from the very beginning. Don't know what they expected.
For the purposes of this conversation, I agree. "Messed up" people should receive the help they need.
If you walk around pretending schizophrenia is normal, for example, schizophrenics will never get help and be able to lead normal lives. But that's exactly what you're advocating.
Sounds like I've made my point to the very last person on the board that I thought I would be able to then. I'm happy with that. You and I have butted heads many times before. I appreciate your effort in understanding my point of view "for the purposes of this conversation," because that's all that this is. I'm not gay. You aren't gay. All we're doing is having a mental masturbation pissing match on a subject that neither of us has first hand experience with. I guess next we can discuss which would be the best BOV to have on a Mars space station.
I'm not sure how I feel about your schizo example. I also know a schizo, and she is pretty harmless (as far as I've seen) so I feel like I can ignore her. Every once in a while she has what I like to call a "Schizo flare up", that could easily be compared to some gay dude acting like a Diva at the movies. It's really just temporarily obnoxious, and I can always walk away; so it doesn't bother me.
I know another schizo who is the worst parent/person I've ever met, and the world would be a better place without her.
I guess I'd agree that those who want help should seek it, and those who don't shouldn't. Under the strict circumstance that you are not harming others like Schizo A. If you are ruining the lives of your children like Schizo B, then maybe someone should step in (again) with some treatment. I'm not real excited about paying for it though.
Colorado Lucky, does this mean that I shouldn't call on you when I need to get another car in a few months? You seem pretty thin skinned to be working in the car business.
Sounds like I've made my point to the very last person on the board that I thought I would be able to then. I'm happy with that.
Sure. I never said I 'hate' homosexuals. Just like I don't hate people with other mental illnesses. I don't accept it as normal, either. I kind of feel sorry for them and hope that they get the help the need. I'm not interested in forcing help onto them (unless it is affecting the lives of others) or being forced into paying for the help.
But I also tend to try to avoid schizophrenics, pedophiles, homosexuals, etc. Just don't need any literal craziness in my life on top of the normal 'craziness' of life.
Colorado Luckydog
07-08-2011, 23:35
[quote=Irving;379741
Colorado Lucky, does this mean that I shouldn't call on you when I need to get another car in a few months? You seem pretty thin skinned to be working in the car business.[/quote]
I'm not thinned skinned at all. I have been in the car business for years. I can tell you this:....Sometimes, the best deal ever, is the one you never got.
One of my friends that is gay really fucked up his life over it. I stopped talking to him and hanging out with him. It was actually an entire group of friends, but that is besides the point. He was basically drinking/drugging himself to death. I guess he's better now that he's come to terms with it (mostly), but now he's a major alcoholic and is probably going to drink himself to death. Once it came to light that he was gay, stuff started clicking, and I could easily see where his substance abuse issues came from. Because of all the poor choices he's made, I haven't seen him in several years. It's not a big deal, because I have a family now and have zero room in my life for people who can't get their shit together.
I find that as I get older, I find myself avoiding a whole lot more people (i.e. most people) than I used to in the past. I can hardly even talk to most the people I work with because they are one step up from neanderthals. Seems being dumb is all it takes now a days.
I'm not one to go around calling people dumb though, since I get trapped into this argument every single time it comes up though.
Quit being so angry Colorado Luckydog. None of this matters much one way or the other to either of us.
Someone in this thread is repressing something :D
I can tell you this:....Sometimes, the best deal ever, is the one you never got.
Ain't that the truth. I'll drink to that. [Beer]
I thank Jesus every day that I was born in Colorado before it got ruined, and the conservative streak that runs through my parents. I shudder to think what kind of troll I'd be if I grew up in SoCal and had a different upbringing.
Colorado Luckydog
07-09-2011, 00:12
One of my friends that is gay really fucked up his life over it. I stopped talking to him and hanging out with him. It was actually an entire group of friends, but that is besides the point. He was basically drinking/drugging himself to death. I guess he's better now that he's come to terms with it (mostly), but now he's a major alcoholic and is probably going to drink himself to death. Once it came to light that he was gay, stuff started clicking, and I could easily see where his substance abuse issues came from. Because of all the poor choices he's made, I haven't seen him in several years. It's not a big deal, because I have a family now and have zero room in my life for people who can't get their shit together.
I find that as I get older, I find myself avoiding a whole lot more people (i.e. most people) than I used to in the past. I can hardly even talk to most the people I work with because they are one step up from neanderthals. Seems being dumb is all it takes now a days.
I'm not one to go around calling people dumb though, since I get trapped into this argument every single time it comes up though.
Quit being so angry Colorado Luckydog. None of this matters much one way or the other to either of us.
Dude, just read your own post. No need to argue. You just have to learn to read between your own lines.
Ok if no one is going to say it I'am...
I like vagina...i like vagina...i like vagina... hey hey...hey hey
[Tooth]
Quit shoving vagina down my throat. har
Ultimatly i think this thread was started as a observation of one persons outragous behavior about his sexual preference. Just like any obnoxous behavior in public i think it was more just to explain how a night was ruined because of the lack of one behaving with manners. Example: i smoke cigars, when im out in public i seperate myself as much as possable because my choice to smoke does not need to be thrown in everyine elses face. I could go around making sure i blow smoke at everyone i see and laugh and say " ha ha, its a free country i can do what i want and you cant do shit about it". But i dont because i have manners ( somewhat) and a general respect for the people around me.
I think this thread went south of its intended purpose but i could be wrong i'am high on pain killers and posting from a nook. I hate no one, but do make fun of everyone its just me. As long as i dont have some dude grabbing my hang down im cool with what ever they want to do. But in general i think people just need to have some more manners and respect for the people around them while in public.
That's pretty much the impression I got of the original post.
Can we talk about your comment about not wanting a dude to grab your "hang down" though? Are you saying that if a dude is going to grab your junk, that you'd prefer to be erect?
Totally messing with you.
Quit shoving vagina down my throat. har
Not shoving it down your throat just throwing it in your face. I guess theyre are worse things to be thrown at a face. [Tooth]
That's pretty much the impression I got of the original post.
Can we talk about your comment about not wanting a dude to grab your "hang down" though? Are you saying that if a dude is going to grab your junk, that you'd prefer to be erect?
Totally messing with you.
Might as well give the tsa agent a thrill.....smartass lol
That was complete sarcasm on my part. Well, and a little irony as well.
That was complete sarcasm on my part. Well, and a little irony as well.
You want to sing my vagina song now huh, dont forget the "perfect strangers" happy dance while you sing it.
BPTactical
07-09-2011, 08:01
You know this has been a great discussion until it dissolved to our own members berating each other and "offering" to discuss in person.
Knock it off.
You both have valid points and you can agree to disagree.
LuckyDog we get it, you have disdain for the GBLT world and that is your choice but you lose credibility when you go into a profane tirade.
I will agree with you that I think it is a warped lifestyle but if that is the life they live then as long as they don't attempt to "shove it down our throats" then say La vie.
You want to know what is the most aggravating? Trying to explain to your 5 year old son when you are at the Taste of Colorado why the two guys on the park bench are kissing.
Or being treated as a 3rd class citizen in Disneyland because you smoke while two leatherclad bulls with their asscheeks hanging out are treated like royalty in front of your family.
My wife works for a lesbian couple and they are awesome folks, I have known the one half for over 30 years (high school friends mom) and they don't make a big deal of it. But yet one of the guys that works there is a total queen and is as obnoxious and flaming as you can get.
Just like everybody else in life, you have your good and your bad.
Sleep with who you want to sleep with but don't you dare think you are entitled to the same sanctity of a married man and wife.
Sleep with whom you want but don't you dare try to force me to accept your lifestyle.
Sleep with whom you want but show a little tact and couth in public.
I have no issue with the GLBT community, I do however have an issue with a society that has degenerated to the point where morals and tradition are in the gutter.
BTW- I admit it- I am a hardcore lesbian trapped in a mans body..................
BREATHER
07-09-2011, 11:15
Here's the thing. An asshole is an asshole regardless of race, creed or sexual orientation.
I would support gays right to marriage and any other rights they want, WHY because I do not care what they do...
BUT, they better support my gun owning 2nd amendment rights otherwise they can kiss my conservative ass. Tit for tat,, that's what the politicians do...
BUT, they better support my gun owning 2nd amendment rights otherwise they can kiss my conservative ass. Tit for tat,, that's what the politicians do...
This is a whole other can of worms. I feel the same way with guys who want to legalize marijuana, have armed guards at their dispensaries, but don't think the average citizen should have access to firearms. Blows my mind. Freedom is pretty all encompassing, and people really tend to forget that.
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