View Full Version : Man shoots himself while drawing his pistol
battle_sight_zero
07-05-2011, 19:51
Found this one surfing today. Looks like it hurt!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE&feature=player_embedded
trlcavscout
07-05-2011, 20:03
So the 45 doesnt really have stopping power he walked off screen!
But seriously man that would hurt!!! And a reminder to be safe when training at full speed/live fire.
sneakerd
07-05-2011, 20:03
Good for him. Up front, analyzed the deal and presented it to any viewer. I myself have worked that situation- as in close in to the target, elbow up, close quarters defensive combat drawstroke. The trainer I worked with, Andy Stanford- who teaches that particular technique, specifically nailed the Blackhawk Serpa holster that guy was using for his AD, as unsafe. The poster violated the secret ninja technique. Finger- finger- finger.
So the 45 doesnt really have stopping power he walked off screen!
But seriously man that would hurt!!! And a reminder to be safe when training at full speed/live fire.
It was an (in and out) wound with a FMJ. If he was shooting a defense round Im sure the outcome would have been alot different.
Tweety Bird
07-05-2011, 20:16
Right. I was considering one of those thumb-lock type holsters for my 1911. I've never handled one, or had any of my 1911s in one of them, but having the holster-release and the thumb safety that close together doesn't sound like a very good combination. I think I'm going to reconsider. I realize the "finger-finger-finger" thing and completely agree; I'm more concerned about the holster lock and the thumb safety interfering with each other.
Good on the guy who posted this.
Good for him. Up front, analyzed the deal and presented it to any viewer. I myself have worked that situation- as in close in to the target, elbow up, close quarters defensive combat drawstroke. The trainer I worked with, Andy Stanford- who teaches that particular technique, specifically nailed the Blackhawk Serpa holster that guy was using for his AD, as unsafe. The poster violated the secret ninja technique. Finger- finger- finger.
Glad he's ok
Yup, the serpa encourages this problem. If I recall this guy has been through several training classes by legit instructors.
DSB OUTDOORS
07-05-2011, 20:21
What can I say?? [ROFL1][LOL][ROFL3] Sorry I can't stop laughing!!!!!! [ROFL2]I'm glad he's alright but DAMN!! [ROFL1] I have to pee now!! [LOL]
I am getting a patent for Kevlar pants.
jerrymrc
07-05-2011, 21:00
I am getting a patent for Kevlar pants.
Your gonna look like sheep when ya get done. :)
TDYRanger
07-05-2011, 21:09
one gun, one setup. If it's all the same all the time; makes muscle memory failure a lot harder. At least in a single range day. But NBC is the best rule
NEVER
BE
COMPLACENT
BANG
Gawd Damn it I just shot myself!
trlcavscout
07-05-2011, 21:13
It was an (in and out) wound with a FMJ. If he was shooting a defense round Im sure the outcome would have been alot different.
Ya that was a joke [Beer]
I have used the serpa's and thumb locks for Glocks. I prefer the serpa release, the safariland thumb lock rides better but is not as smooth or fast.
Keep your booger picker off the bang switch until your.... oh whatever. [ROFL1]
Cam
flan7211
07-05-2011, 22:30
Good for him. Trigger finger seems to be a bad disease these days. Other day I was at the range, some ass clown was walking around at the ready with his finger on his AR. I had the gf with me and felt it was worth saying something to him. On my way to talk to him I was astonished to notice all the idiots who immediately put their fingers on the trigger as soon as they grab their weapons. Honestly I said something to the original guy then packed up and left. Hollywood, video games, or just jack assery has taught a lot of people a lot of bad habits. .02
What's interesting is he blames the holster (and then quickly says it was his fault) but when you look at the slow mo it is pretty obvious the gun clears the holster with no problem. He was just racing to get the round off and pulled the trigger way to early.
Cam
Byte Stryke
07-05-2011, 22:36
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42220
REPEAT
DUPE
and the obligatory Remix
gmQF0J1LhHE
so what with the standing 1 foot from the target .it seems that if your that close to the target a punch or kick would be faster and more effective .
BPTactical
07-06-2011, 06:00
Ala Hopa long Cassidy.
Nah- Mickey Rooney in Angora chaps!
Nah- Mickey Rooney in Angora chaps!
[ROFL2][ROFL3][LOL] damn bp you just made me spit coffee everywhere
mcantar18c
07-06-2011, 06:09
Dumbass + crap holster + gun = entertaining clip.
Dumbass: it has nothing to do with the safety, and in fact in a self defense role a firearm is better off without one anyway, just don't stick your ass scratcher into the bang switch when its aimed at your leg (in other words, don't curl your finger into the trigger guard as you're drawing the gun out, as we can all clearly see you do).
Crap holster: The SERPAs suck, its a well known fact. They encourage stupid things like your finger slipping into the trigger guard. I know of more than a few schools that don't allow the students to use SERPA crap.
Gun: Don't play with dangerous things unless you know how to use them, or are far away from bystanders.
Wow, that's one of those times where you see the video and say "holy sh*t"! He's pretty lucky though, considering the angle of that shot he could have done some pretty major damage if it had gone in below the knee and come out of his foot, mangling everything else on the way down.
Poor trigger discipline combined with what appears to be a too light trigger contributed to this incident. The safety had little to do with it. At least he takes responsibility for his mistakes.
Thumb breaks, forefinger breaks, safety, no safety... if you have to spend that long explaining all the differences then you're doing something wrong. I have personally witnessed something VERY similar but on a reholster about 4' directly in front of me and slightly to the left so I had a front row seat. Guy was also shooting a 1911 and had a serpa holster. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. I personally use a Glock (no safety) and pressure retention holsters. There's nothing beyond basic movements to remember or train for. To me the fewer variables the less movements you need to practice and the less movements you have to concentrate on allowing you to focus on the fundamentals. Elbow up, elbow down, firm grip, pull straight up and clear holster and swing forward before moving trigger finger. The guy that ND'd himself in front of me as also a very experienced shooter, LEO, firearms instructor, range owner, etc. He also shot a variety of firearms back to back and this time it bit him. Sounds like some of the same attributes were included on this ND so parallels can be drawn. The guy that ND'd himself Immediately blamed it on a faulty holster. Standing in a perfect place to see exactly what happened though it was operator error as he never cleared his trigger finger so when he holstered the holster pressed his finger into the trigger. Now, while I wouldn't blame it on a faulty holster because that just shows an unwillingness to admit fault which allows for learning I would blame it on the complexity of the various shooting systems, retention systems & holsters being used. I think if one can pick a weapon system and holster they like the best (or are required to use) and train on them exclusively these exact type of ND's will be drastically reduced. It's nice to know how they all work and be proficient on all of them but I don't think it's as important as being as safe and proficient as possible with your primary carry/draw/competition platform. I can see wanting to know how different handguns fire in case you ever need to pick one up in a defensive situation but when are you going to quickly strap on someone else's holster and quick draw to defend? Not likely.
I'm just rambling now so if anyone can take anything useful away from what I just said then you're a patient human being. [ROFL2]
Wow, that's one of those times where you see the video and say "holy sh*t"! He's pretty lucky though, considering the angle of that shot he could have done some pretty major damage if it had gone in below the knee and come out of his foot, mangling everything else on the way down.
The ND I witnessed entered about the same place in the upper thigh. He was drop stepping to turn to shoot a slung rifle at 45deg so it exited at the same point in the thigh only more towards the back, directly behind the knee. It then re-entered his upper calf and traveled part way down there it lodged inside is calf and had to be removed at the ER for a total of THREE GSW's from a single ND. He was in joking spirits at the range but from the sounds of it the jokes subsided when the chemicals wore off on the trip to the hospital. Different angle or ammo and I'm sure the outcome in either situation could have been drastically different.
Here's the pic of the end result of that one:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GDcfw4QBvw4/S_nqNYtw1iI/AAAAAAAAAp8/Ol6fr5DHkfk/32223_128957317116604_100000070085786_339554_23301 97_n.jpg
Byte Stryke
07-06-2011, 11:36
just wow...
This brings to mind all of the times when I practice with my defense ammo...
Something tells me that the above picture would be very different with a JHP with some very different final results.
just wow...
This brings to mind all of the times when I practice with my defense ammo...
Something tells me that the above picture would be very different with a JHP with some very different final results.
Yeah, exactly. My buddy was just down in Texas last week with a cousin that was shot 11 times with a 9mm Tech-9 who survived. I can't think of two better examples of ball target ammo and how ineffective it is unless you hit a vital organ. FMJ FTW!
Byte Stryke
07-06-2011, 12:28
Yeah, exactly. My buddy was just down in Texas last week with a cousin that was shot 11 times with a 9mm Tech-9 who survived. I can't think of two better examples of ball target ammo and how ineffective it is unless you hit a vital organ. FMJ FTW!
Unless you Unintentionally shoot yourself.
Then its FTL.
[ROFL1]
Unless you Unintentionally shoot yourself.
Then its FTL.
[ROFL1]
Of course.
[ROFL3]
I JUST FU-CKING SHOT MYSELF.
Oh thanks. I wasn't sure.
First off byte that remix was funny as hell gj!
Second gun safty 101 dont put you damn finger on the trigger until your ready to shoot. Last but not least he was real lucky that his ass didnt hit that main artery and bleed out.
SuperiorDG
07-06-2011, 14:49
At least he shoot the guy who shoot him.
At least he shoot the guy who shoot him.
"Vengeance is mine!"
Moron...f*cking moron. What part of the 4 firearm safety rules did he not understand? He should be banned from carrying a firearm without having on a bright yellow helmet as well. No excuse for a ND, none whatsoever. It doesn't matter what holster, gun, belt, underwear...follow the 4 rules.
[ROFL1]
Could it be considered a self defense shooting.
SuperiorDG
07-06-2011, 16:05
[ROFL1]
Could it be considered a self defense shooting.
As long as it is in the head.
its nice to see video of farva training at home....lol
on a side note all i run is serpa holsters havnt had a nd yet (we do alot of draw and fire)
Byte Stryke
07-06-2011, 17:15
[ROFL1]
Could it be considered a self defense shooting.
[ROFL1]
i still dont understand the standing so close to the target idea . can someone please enplane
mcantar18c
07-06-2011, 18:03
i still dont understand the standing so close to the target idea . can someone please enplane
Use weak hand to attack/deflect while drawing. Works better with live partners and airsoft guns.
Use weak hand to attack/deflect while drawing. Works better with live partners and airsoft guns.
well in this case the paper threat kick his ass [ROFL1][ROFL2]
all smart ass aside thanks for the answer [Beer]
mcantar18c
07-06-2011, 18:08
well in this case the paper threat kick his ass [ROFL1][ROFL2]
all smart ass aside thanks for the answer [Beer]
[ROFL1]
I don't know if that's what he's doing, but that's the only reason I'd be that close to a paper target.
shooter 0
paper 1
paper wins
Use weak hand to attack/deflect while drawing. Works better with live partners and airsoft guns.
Doesn't hurt as much when you shoot yourself, either.
After watching a few of his vids, I don't think this is an isolated occurrence.
Nice hat.
http://thumbnails.truveo.com/0007/7F/BA/7FBA1EC5568E121509ACB1_Large.jpg
http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL686/2648371/6918264/397600768.jpg
Best I could do with a Youtube screen shot.
n8tive97
07-07-2011, 12:00
"After I shot my self my training kicked in, I called my Mommy and Daddy THEN 911"? Ummmmm help me understand? [Stooge] Where did that training come from? I felt for the guy until I heard him say that.
"After I shot my self my training kicked in, I called my Mommy and Daddy THEN 911"? Ummmmm help me understand? [Stooge] Where did that training come from? I felt for the guy until I heard him say that.
That part seemed odd to me as well. I'm unaware of training that tells you to call mommy and daddy first in a gun shot wound scenario.
That part seemed odd to me as well. I'm unaware of training that tells you to call mommy and daddy first in a gun shot wound scenario.
It's the new Red Cross gunshot wound training they're giving out these days... in the even that mommy and daddy aren't around any more any substitute will do. [LOL]
I found that to be a base of ignorance for him... my training is to apply direct pressure to the wound and attempt to get the bleeding under control. If need be, apply tourniquet and seek more advanced medical care (US Army Combat Lifesaver doctrine).
It's the new Red Cross gunshot wound training they're giving out these days... in the even that mommy and daddy aren't around any more any substitute will do. [LOL]
I found that to be a base of ignorance for him... my training is to apply direct pressure to the wound and attempt to get the bleeding under control. If need be, apply tourniquet and seek more advanced medical care (US Army Combat Lifesaver doctrine).
Whatcha gonna do with that there turkey net?
SuperiorDG
07-07-2011, 13:52
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIdGTN4bAgI
This may explain some things
Why do I get the feeling that this mouth breather's family tree looks like a closet full of broom handles?
SuperiorDG
07-07-2011, 14:02
Sorry I can't help myself. This guy is my new hero. For those of you who have taken some training, how may things do you see him do wrong here? The spin thing would get your ass kicked out of class for one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVIZv_CzEUc&NR=1
It was his parents training,
Big Daddy: " ok my lil buckaroo whats the first thing you do if you shoot yourself by being a dumbass",
Lil tex: " uh uh blame it on the holster"
Big Daddy: "no thats not it try again"
Lil tex: "ohh ohh i know call momma then blame the holster".
Big daddy:" very good now you can eat this yellow snowcone".
Sorry I can't help myself. This guy is my new hero. For those of you who have taken some training, how may things do you see him do wrong here? The spin thing would get your ass kicked out of class for one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVIZv_CzEUc&NR=1
He's a Tactical Response graduate...'nuff said. I particulary like the 2 headshots followed by multiple body shots technique, while standing still of course.
He's a Tactical Response graduate...'nuff said. I particulary like the 2 headshots followed by multiple body shots technique, while standing still of course.
Yeah the spin is pretty retarded and his holster technique is not nearly as smooth or as good as it can be... search YouTube for Magpul Dynamics Art of the Tactical Pistol... they teach some good technique there... or next time I go to the range I'll bring my camera and do a little tactics video.
Yeah the spin is pretty retarded and his holster technique is not nearly as smooth or as good as it can be... search YouTube for Magpul Dynamics Art of the Tactical Pistol... they teach some good technique there... or next time I go to the range I'll bring my camera and do a little tactics video.
No need to seach youtube. Perhaps you don't know what we do for a living...
n8tive97
07-07-2011, 14:55
It was his parents training,
Big Daddy: " ok my lil buckaroo whats the first thing you do if you shoot yourself by being a dumbass",
Lil tex: " uh uh blame it on the holster"
Big Daddy: "no thats not it try again"
Lil tex: "ohh ohh i know call momma then blame the holster".
Big daddy:" very good now you can eat this yellow snowcone".
Now that's exactly how I pictured that conversation going down. That's funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIdGTN4bAgI
This may explain some things
Mmmm, no. Not going to watch that one.
No need to seach youtube. Perhaps you don't know what we do for a living...
<little kid voice> Do you make Youtube videos? [Coffee]
back from the dead
dude will be on tosh.0 tuesday it should be funny as hell
back from the dead
dude will be on tosh.0 tuesday it should be funny as hell
Yeah, I saw that last week since we're regular watchers of that show. Should be funny and I can't wait to see how he tries to spin it to make him not look like a tool. Daniel usually does a pretty good job not letting them get away with that on the redemption.
Bailey Guns
11-05-2011, 11:07
Oh, that has got to be DVR'd. I can't wait!
Tex Gredner outdoors...yeah I highly doubt I'll see this guy on the hunting channel any time soon... I would have a better chance with my red ryder going on a bunny hunt in my front yard.
he was damn lucky. watching the slow motion, the bullet impacted the ground just in front of his foot...that could have take off a toe or worse.
as everyone else mention, lucky it was an fmj and not a HP as that would have been devastating to his leg.
Yeah, I saw that last week since we're regular watchers of that show. Should be funny and I can't wait to see how he tries to spin it to make him not look like a tool. Daniel usually does a pretty good job not letting them get away with that on the redemption.
I can't wait. Tosh is freaking hilarious!
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