Heading out to California for a couple weeks.

[flan7211]

Hey all question, I tried googling but couldn't figure it out. Can I bring a handgun to Libtardifornia? Just in the glove box or something? Just like to have one with me. I can bring a wheel gun or an auto.

[Mtn.man]

Are you crazy?
You will be tried and hung.

[jplove71]

Hey all question, I tried googling but couldn't figure it out. Can I bring a handgun to Libtardifornia? Just in the glove box or something? Just like to have one with me. I can bring a wheel gun or an auto.
Don't bother taking any kind of gun with you to California.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

[Ronin13]

Are you crazy?
You will be tried and hanged.

[ROFL1]
Fixed, sorry- Ron Jeremy is hung, criminals in the wild west were hanged...
Flan, I take it this trip is work related or vacation related... if so, leave all guns at home, pray you don't get into an altercation in Kali, and whatever you do DO NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT... liberals take that as a threat to their tree hugging and nonsense rambling lives.

[flan7211]

Ok I talked to the Dept. of Justice, they said I could bring a revolver. It must be in a case in the trunk. Do I take a risk guys?

[Guylee]

Ok I talked to the Dept. of Justice, they said I could bring a revolver. It must be in a case in the trunk. Do I take a risk guys?

I wouldn't...won't do ya much good locked up in the trunk anyway, why cause yourself the grief? My advice is to just not go to Kommiefornia...sorry man.

[Mtn.man]

Ok I talked to the Dept. of Justice, they said I could bring a revolver. It must be in a case in the trunk. Do I take a risk guys?


Must be locked in trunk and NO AMMO allowed.

[Jumpstart]

Note to self:
Don't go to California.

[mcantar18c]

Concealed is concealed. 'Nuff said.

[flan7211]

Damnit if anyone gives me shit I'm gonna have to kill em with my crazy eyes. I wish I didn't have to go. Beach will hopefully be nice.

[Gunner]

Simple fix go to wyoming you can bring it there.

Beaches of cheyenne

[Byte Stryke]

Concealed is concealed. 'Nuff said.

Illegal gun Possession is a felony under 12021(a) PC or a similar section depending on the circumstances, the sentence is determined by the circumstances of the crime and the offenders previous record, typically 6-8 months in county jail, followed by three years of probation.


Play stupid games... win stupid prizes
Nothing says "FUCK!" like having a felony on your record and losing your shit because of it.


your choice.

[Mtn.man]

Nothing says Californication Fuck like going to California.
Pretty much each county has it's own set of rules.

[Mtn.man]

Of course if Anjolina liked your pc then I guess...

[mcantar18c]

your choice.

Concealed is concealed, nobody should know you're armed unless you are put in a situation in which you have no choice but to use it, in which case an illegal weapons charge will be the least of worries.
The safety of my loved ones and I (in that order) are my responsibility and my highest priority. My choice? I choose to not put me and mine at risk just because some politician wants to restrict my ability to defend us.
I'd rather be a felon than be dead. YMMV.

[Great-Kazoo]

Don't bother taking any kind of gun with you to California.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

BS.

You can transport any handgun to CA. PROVIDING it meets current hand gun laws. so no high cap mags threaded bbls etc. Your vehicle is eminent domain, no matter where you travel in the US. Access to your vehicle by any LE requires either consent, or a warrant.
HOWEVER : The ammo / mag must be separate / UNLOADED and access to the gun must be via a locked case or compartment. This means keep the unloaded gun in the Locked glove or storage compartment and ammo separate. I have a locked compartment that is very easily accessible (think gun vault) with the ammo in an easy to reach, yet non visible place.
There is no law regarding transport of gun, long or short you will be violating following common sense.
ONCE you remove the gun from the vehicle outside of a range you then violate state, county , local laws.

[Byte Stryke]

Concealed is concealed, nobody should know you're armed unless you are put in a situation in which you have no choice but to use it, in which case an illegal weapons charge will be the least of worries.
The safety of my loved ones and I (in that order) are my responsibility and my highest priority. My choice? I choose to not put me and mine at risk just because some politician wants to restrict my ability to defend us.
I'd rather be a felon than be dead. YMMV.


Its Kommiefornia, he has no 4th when he crosses the state line. If he gets pulled over with out of state DL he is getting searched.
every time I go see the folks in the Klammath river reservation I get pulled over for one silly reason or another.

[Irving]

You don't automatically get searched just because you have an out of state DL.

[Mtn.man]

You don't automatically get searched just because you have an out of state DL.


Uh yeah, come to Park County on vactiuon leave on probation.

[Byte Stryke]

You don't automatically get searched just because you have an out of state DL.


Last time I was there I was pulled over for doing 30 in a 35 because he "thought it was suspicious". The rental was then searched by him and a K-9 because he "thought he smelled pot" when I rolled down the window.

Prove him wrong... he has a Badge and you are free to wait in jail for interfering or obstruction. Oh Yeah... reasonable execution, so civil won't work either.

[stevelkinevil]

Last time I was there I was pulled over for doing 30 in a 35 because he "thought it was suspicious". The rental was then searched by him and a K-9 because he "thought he smelled pot" when I rolled down the window.

Prove him wrong... he has a Badge and you are free to wait in jail for interfering or obstruction. Oh Yeah... reasonable execution, so civil won't work either.

He is absolutely right. Kalifornia is Denver x10 when it comes to the ol "you can beat the rap but you cant beat the ride" mantra. Frankly I would leave it at home and not take the chance.

[Bailey Guns]

BS.

You can transport any handgun to CA. PROVIDING it meets current hand gun laws. so no high cap mags threaded bbls etc. Your vehicle is eminent domain, no matter where you travel in the US. Access to your vehicle by any LE requires either consent, or a warrant.

Not true. There are numerous ways a LEO can legally search your car without your consent or a warrant. Granted, it doesn't happen often to average Joe who isn't involved in illegal activity but it does happen.


HOWEVER : The ammo / mag must be separate / UNLOADED and access to the gun must be via a locked case or compartment. This means keep the unloaded gun in the Locked glove or storage compartment and ammo separate. I have a locked compartment that is very easily accessible (think gun vault) with the ammo in an easy to reach, yet non visible place.

CA statutes specifically state that glove compartments or utility compartments DO NOT qualify as suitable storage locations.


There is no law regarding transport of gun, long or short you will be violating following common sense.
ONCE you remove the gun from the vehicle outside of a range you then violate state, county , local laws.

Yeah, there are laws. Statutes also say it's OK to remove the gun from the car as long as it remains in the locked container.
(Penal Code § 12026.1.)
1. the firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment,
2. and when the firearm is carried by the person to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose, the firearm must be contained in a locked container while being physically carried.

[Great-Kazoo]

Not true. There are numerous ways a LEO can legally search your car without your consent or a warrant. Granted, it doesn't happen often to average Joe who isn't involved in illegal activity but it does happen.



CA statutes specifically state that glove compartments or utility compartments DO NOT qualify as suitable storage locations.



Yeah, there are laws. Statutes also say it's OK to remove the gun from the car as long as it remains in the locked container.
(Penal Code § 12026.1.)
1. the firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment,
2. and when the firearm is carried by the person to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose, the firearm must be contained in a locked container while being physically carried.



Last CHP that inquired about vehicle search was politely denied access. Explained even though we had nothing illegal or wanted any issues i preferred he not enter the vehicle. he stood there a few minutes ran my id and paperwork then drove away. Yes i had a firearm, no i did not volunteer any info and no one enters a vehicle i am driving with out 1) impounding 2) warrant to search.
Call your watch commander or who ever is in charge for your shift, the answer is still no.

I was involved with the NY State Police many years ago regarding unnecessary / illegal search and seizure, They drew guns while i was scuffling with 2 across the hood of their car. We walked away from that one with out being arrested. there is this thing called the constitution that no matter how much they try and bully you, still holds some water in America.

I do not CCW in states that do not recognize CO. I do and will continue to transport a handgun with me no matter what state i am visiting or driving through. YMMV

[Bailey Guns]

Last CHP that inquired about vehicle search was politely denied access. Explained even though we had nothing illegal or wanted any issues i preferred he not enter the vehicle. he stood there a few minutes ran my id and paperwork then drove away. Yes i had a firearm, no i did not volunteer any info and no one enters a vehicle i am driving with out 1) impounding 2) warrant to search.
Call your watch commander or who ever is in charge for your shift, the answer is still no.

I was involved with the NY State Police many years ago regarding unnecessary / illegal search and seizure, They drew guns while i was scuffling with 2 across the hood of their car. We walked away from that one with out being arrested. there is this thing called the constitution that no matter how much they try and bully you, still holds some water in America.

I do not CCW in states that do not recognize CO. I do and will continue to transport a handgun with me no matter what state i am visiting or driving through. YMMV

Instances where it's permissible to search without a warrant or consent whether you like it or not:
Search incident to arrest (aka Chimel Rule from Chimel v California)
Inventory search
Search based on probable cause
Plain View (contraband is visible...relates more to seizures)
Hot Pursuit
Motor Vehicle ExceptionThe Supreme Court long ago established the "Motor Vehicle Exception" relating to warrantless searches (Carroll v US). Look it up.

The first case you noted in your last post would be an officer asking for consent. Usually means he doesn't have a legal right and wants you to OK the search. You didn't. He couldn't.

There's also searches based on exigent (or emergency) circumstances that might apply to a motor vehicle but would also apply to a residence or something similar.

I know what the rules are regarding search/seizure and I can unequivocally say you are wrong. Fortunately for you it's obvious you haven't come up against an officer who knows more about search/seizure than you do who's willing to prove it to you.

[CapLock]

Depends on the police officer you deal with just like anywhere. My grandparents were in California in their Motor home. Stopped by a Wal Mart. On the way out somebody mistaken them for an easy target. Probably figured with the motor home they had cash...which was right. Anyhow grandpa gets grandma in the passenger side and he goes to get in the drivers side. Guy approaches him. He thinks the guy is going to ask for a dollar and instead the guy pulls a knife and asks for his wallet. My grandma said she couldn't see the guy or knew exactly what was going on, but when grandpa threw his wallet on the hood she knew it wasn't good. When guy picks up wallet granny comes out and around with grandpas 3 inch python. They did the "LEGAL" thing and called the cops. Cops had them put the gun right back in the glove box where it belongs. No charges no nothing. Again you and I are not a little old lady protecting her hubby of 54 years so we may get a different result.

PS that python is part of my collection now and just waits in the safe till the day it goes to my son who's named after the man who owned it.[Beer]

[Byte Stryke]

Instances where it's permissible to search without a warrant or consent whether you like it or not:
Search incident to arrest (aka Chimel Rule from Chimel v California)
Inventory search
Search based on probable cause
Plain View (contraband is visible...relates more to seizures)
Hot Pursuit
Motor Vehicle ExceptionThe Supreme Court long ago established the "Motor Vehicle Exception" relating to warrantless searches (Carroll v US). Look it up.

The first case you noted in your last post would be an officer asking for consent. Usually means he doesn't have a legal right and wants you to OK the search. You didn't. He couldn't.

There's also searches based on exigent (or emergency) circumstances that might apply to a motor vehicle but would also apply to a residence or something similar.

I know what the rules are regarding search/seizure and I can unequivocally say you are wrong. Fortunately for you it's obvious you haven't come up against an officer who knows more about search/seizure than you do who's willing to prove it to you.


and it is important to note that probable cause can be "I thought I Smelled (alcohol, pot, whatever)"

[Bailey Guns]

and it is important to note that probable cause can be "I thought I Smelled (alcohol, pot, whatever)"

Exactly. "Plain view" has been joined by "plain smell" and "plain feel" search doctrines and are used every day in police work.

[flan7211]

Didn't take the gun. Wish I would have I'm in Santa Rosa and there was a rally at city hall with people open carrying and rallying for gun rights. I've been told by everyone here I should have brought a gun. They want confrontations with the police on a large scale to bring Kommiefornia's ludicrous laws to the SCOTUS. It's really encouraging. What ever RMGO's equivalent out here is there fighting hard. If these folks still have hope, than we must fight twice as hard to make sure it never happens in CO.

[mcantar18c]

http://spotcrime.com/
Put your location in and see dozens of reasons why you should have brought a gun.
Works great for show and tell when arguing with libtards too.