View Full Version : Get the proper training or you may pay for it
SuperiorDG
07-19-2011, 14:45
This video was sent to by another member here and I just had to comment on it.
A little bit of where I stand. SkagSig40 and several others here took the ICE Combat Focus class last month and had our eyes opened to a new reality of dynamic critical incident shooting. I for one had to change a number of taught habits learned in other class. The thinking behind the method was convincing, however. Now I look at all training in a more critical way as it relates to what happens in a dynamic critical incident shooting. I now train to how my body will react in a stressful shooting environment. I train to be accountable for my rounds in that environment and be aware of others that might get hurt or killed because of my action. We fight as we are trained.
With so many schools out there today it is amazing how far people go with their philosophies. This video is about as far out there as any I've seen. There are so many things that are unsafe and could cause negligent rounds to go anywhere. If one trains under these methods how much is the teacher responsible for their students? Of particular interest is at 6:40 and 15:30. The video is a bit long, but it is an education on making sure you get the proper training.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCFhVB5ZD-w&feature=player_embedded
Those techniques you highlighted would be great for when you live on the third level of an apartment complex.
SA Friday
07-19-2011, 21:59
I've done some pretty radical training things in my life, but I would have walked on this guy and demanded my money back after the first round hit the dirt in front of him. Absolutely no reason for it, to practice it, to teach it. I stopped the video at that point.
I 'm surprised he didn't shoot himself during that video..... From the beginning it just didn't feel "safe" if you know what I mean....
Kinda curious as to why he thinks he needs over 100 rounds for daily carry as well. Or the triple gun thing. Or most importantly denim shorts and full LBE after labor day really?[LOL]
And ringing steel at 7 yards seems safe as well.
He was consistently shooting the dirt in front of him. I don't see the need to train like that. You are responsible for every shot that you take. Unless you are fighting a midget or have to shoot the dog first.
UberTong
07-20-2011, 09:29
Holy shit, what a whack job. "rip one way, then rip the other" [ROFL1][ROFL2]
Oh, this doof SO has a "me" wall!
He would have a minimum of two guns at the low ready and four eyes on him if he came to where I shoot, and I'd be ready to eject him from the area for unsafe practices. "You should be shooting the moment the gun clears the holster...." WTF? I think I know why the comments have been disabled for that video, he would be flamed to death!
In the first 4 minutes, I saw a number of unsafe handling habits. After that, it was just painful to watch...
The sad part is, this guy is probably making a living mistraining people, putting lives needlessly at risk.
gnihcraes
07-20-2011, 21:41
video appears to have been taken down/set to private?
video appears to have been taken down/set to private?
I got the same message.
nogaroheli
07-20-2011, 22:18
I got the same message.
Me too.
I don't know what your guys' problem is, but that was a GREAT instructional video.
For playing Counter Strike.
frozenmud
07-21-2011, 00:46
video appears to have been taken down/set to private?
Here is another sample of the "training" video
http://youtu.be/bGdjpmwwkHc
Mendocino
07-21-2011, 03:25
Here is another sample of the "training" video
http://youtu.be/bGdjpmwwkHc
Wow! I'm speachless.[ROFL2][ROFL2]
SuperiorDG
07-21-2011, 07:09
video appears to have been taken down/set to private?
The Darwin effect the internet has is wonderful.
bobbyfairbanks
07-21-2011, 08:10
I loved his massive knife tucked into his belt and carry a glock17L with 15 32 rd mags. What a mall ninja
My experience says that this guy would probably not do too well in an active combat situation... especially since he likes to get up close and personal to a watermelon and blow it away. Infantry 101- If your enemy is close enough that you can touch him with your muzzle, YOU ARE DEAD!
airborneranger
07-22-2011, 14:51
What a mall ninja
[ROFL2]
AirbornePathogen
07-22-2011, 19:23
I have been known to use some of these tactics... when I play Black Ops. Looks like this guy needs to stick to knives.
SuperiorDG
07-24-2011, 09:52
"It is with great disappointment that we have chosen to temporarily remove our GLOCK video from Youtube.
As you are probably aware, I am a very vocal GLOCK fan, I love their products and recommend them to all of our staff, fans, friends and customers.
Upon the recent release of our much anticipated 6 Disc DVD Never Unarmed, we decided to upload a short highlight reel of all the GLOCK footage from our DVD, just to show people how much we love and enjoy their products.
This 24 minute highlight reel comprised simply of all the bits (from over 18 hours of footage) that featured GLOCK products.
It did not represent the DVD as a whole and did not feature complete instructional segments – it just showed any and all the footage featuring GLOCKs.
It was therefore a surprise to us when individuals began to take us to task on our teaching methods and techniques as represented in these non-sequential and out of context clips.
Never Unarmed took 2 ½ years to film (with well over 180 hours of footage captured and condensed to these 6 discs). It features a wide range of ideas and demonstrations with a large selection of firearms and showcases how we train at Cold Steel.
Several of the techniques shown are scenario and situation specific and it appears by showing them out of context in our GLOCK highlight reel we have caused some confusion.
We did not anticipate this, this highlight reel was intended only to showcase our appreciation and admiration for GLOCK products.
We are happy to say that it was only a small (but vocal) minority that misinterpreted these clips as stand-alone instructional content.
It seemed ridiculous to us that people could judge a 6 Disc series on footage contained within 24 minutes of out of context material, but giving the confusion that it caused we have chosen to remove the video.
We urge our friends, viewers and fans to take the time to view the DVD series in it's entirety and see the footage in context.
Some of our training is of course scenario-specific and much of it may be considered controversial; but here at Cold Steel we always train for the worst and try to have as many tools in our toolbox as possible.
We think that you will find the Never Unarmed series entertaining and informative, and hopefully it will change the way you look at firearms and inform or inspire your personal training.
Thank you
Lynn C Thompson"
bobbyfairbanks
07-24-2011, 09:59
Nothing that Horrible could be taken out of context!
Cold Steel releasing completely ridiculous video footage? Unheard of.
Byte Stryke
07-24-2011, 10:47
yeah, its gone
bobbyfairbanks
07-24-2011, 11:22
Cold Steel releasing completely ridiculous video footage? Unheard of.
This + what I was trying to say[ROFL1]
SuperiorDG
07-25-2011, 06:45
It's up on the below link if anyone missed it.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95f_1311250388
Byte Stryke
07-25-2011, 09:02
I cannot listen to him speak...
I have a migraine now.
"It is with great disappointment that we have chosen to temporarily remove our GLOCK video from Youtube.
As you are probably aware, I am a retard and teach unsafe practices with firearms, especially my Glock because it is cool!
Upon the recent release of our much anticipated 6 Disc DVD Never Unarmed, we decided to upload a short highlight reel of all the GLOCK footage from our DVD, just to show people how much we love and enjoy their products.
This 24 minute highlight reel comprised simply of me doing unsafe and stupid things with my pistol, shooting the ground nearly blowing my toes off, and various other unsafe firearms practices with various weapons.
It was therefore a surprise to us when individuals began to take us to task on our teaching methods and techniques as represented in these instances of actual training we provide.
Never Unarmed took 2 ½ years to film (with well over 180 hours of footage captured and condensed to these 6 discs). It features a wide range of ideas and demonstrations with a large selection of firearms and showcases how we train at Cold Steel.
Several of the techniques shown are the best way to defend yourself, but injure the general public.
We did not anticipate this, this highlight reel was intended only to showcase our stupidity, ignorance, and complete lack of knowledge of firearms safety and tactics.
We urge our friends, viewers and fans to take the time to view the DVD series in it's entirety and see the footage in context because we want to make money spreading stupidity and ignorance, and perpetuate unsafe firearm practices..
Some of our training is of course scenario-specific and much of it may be considered controversial; but here at Cold Steel we always train for the worst and try to be tools or even as douchy as toolboxes.
We think that you will find the Never Unarmed series entertaining and uninformative, and hopefully it will change the way you look at stupid instructors and inform or inspire your personal training.
Thank you
Lynn C Thompson"-big fat, idiotic douche
The red is what I got from that little letter.
[Bang] What an idiot.
So your NOT supposed to shoot the ground 2 or 3 times before hitting the target? dang that must be why everyone was looking at me so strange at the last IPSC match. LOL
The sad thing is some people will take this jackass seriously.
It's up on the below link if anyone missed it.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95f_1311250388
I'm soooo happy this video was reposted. It was truly amazing.
airborneranger
07-25-2011, 13:58
I can't access the link from work! [Bang]
fozmonster
07-27-2011, 23:41
Video link came up as private when I gave it a try
I will admit that I have very little shooting experience and absolutely no military background or ever been in a combat environment but I think I could make a better training video than this clown. He comes across as a rather pathetic wanna be warrior with some seemingly appalling weapons handling techniques. I can probably learn something from the video, what not to do.
Maybe those rounds he shot into the ground were less than lethal rubber rounds.
kidicarus13
07-29-2011, 23:47
Ugh... blazing away through a wall. Good luck trying to fight that in court if you shoot an innocent.
I unfortunately watched the entire video before it was made private. This guy is Lynn Thompson from Cold Steel Knives. He is a self-proclaimed expert. Cold Steel Knives are great products, unfortunately Mr. Thompson's firearms training is not a great product. What scares me the most is there is probably a percentage of new shooters out there who will come across this video and see it like it's a great thing. If I am ever able to come across a free copy of this DVD, I'm going to use it to teach people what NOT to do. I wonder how many people have sent Lynn a message after watching this pathetic video and told him what a bafoon he is. Regardless, thanks for posting this thread. It is good to see the majority here understands quality over quantity. [Coffee]
CMP_5.56
08-02-2011, 05:28
Mr. Thompson needed to stick to knives. Which personally, I feel he is slightly over mediocre with at best. His firearms handling and shooting abilities are piss poor.
stevelkinevil
08-02-2011, 12:30
Holy mary mother of god. Its scary to think you could one day be shooting in the same place as one of this clowns "students"
DngrRuss1
08-07-2011, 19:15
I know Lynn Thompson, and I can tel you that much of the bile here and negative comments are not only inaccurate, but do not reflect on the DVD in its proper context. The video in question was never meant as a "training video".
The "Never Unarmed" DVD set is designed more as an introduction to different weapons and their capabilities. Lynn was more interested in giving an overview of each gun and how it can be used in a SHTF scenario.
This is not a LEO training video (though Lynn has trained with some of the best instructors around), nor is it a Military training video. It is not a training video at all.
If we want to look at Lynn's credentials, not only has he trained as a martial artist, hand-weapon, and firearm user, but his training has been with some of the most credentialed teachers around. His own expertise is based on many decades of not only training, but putting his skills to use as a big-game hunter.
He has been in many situations with very dangerous animals well within a dangerous range to him, and it has been his skill that has proven to not only make him successful, but keep him safe. He has been around many unskilled, and sometimes inattentive members of his hunting party that have proven to be a danger to him and the rest of the party in a precarious moment, and he has been able to rise above and succeed without harming himself or members of his party- so much of the bashing on this thread is unfounded.
Lynn fires over 2,000 rounds a month, and is constantly practicing to be prepared with all sorts of weapons and skills. He does not follow LEO standard procedures, since he is not an LEO and the SHTF scenario does not call for such limitations.
I would suggest that before unilaterally blasting Lynn or the video, watch it in the context it was intended, and you will look at it in a different light.
I don't know. I have my doubts about his skills. Shooting the ground as he pulls his weapon is just dangerous and negligent to me. I don't know what context that it should be shown in where that is not stupid. I don't think I want to find out of fear for my safety.
If his video's are so great why did he pull them down?
I'm sure you know the guy in the videos are you are him since you only joined this forum to defend him.
I watch the video if its online somewhere and then pass a judgement. It don't seem like something I would spent money on at this time.
If I want to watch what not to do with a pistol I could watch Wanted. With Angalina Jolie.
I know Lynn Thompson, and I can tel you that much of the bile here and negative comments are not only inaccurate, but do not reflect on the DVD in its proper context. The video in question was never meant as a "training video".
The "Never Unarmed" DVD set is designed more as an introduction to different weapons and their capabilities. Lynn was more interested in giving an overview of each gun and how it can be used in a SHTF scenario.
This is not a LEO training video (though Lynn has trained with some of the best instructors around), nor is it a Military training video. It is not a training video at all.
If we want to look at Lynn's credentials, not only has he trained as a martial artist, hand-weapon, and firearm user, but his training has been with some of the most credentialed teachers around. His own expertise is based on many decades of not only training, but putting his skills to use as a big-game hunter.
He has been in many situations with very dangerous animals well within a dangerous range to him, and it has been his skill that has proven to not only make him successful, but keep him safe. He has been around many unskilled, and sometimes inattentive members of his hunting party that have proven to be a danger to him and the rest of the party in a precarious moment, and he has been able to rise above and succeed without harming himself or members of his party- so much of the bashing on this thread is unfounded.
Lynn fires over 2,000 rounds a month, and is constantly practicing to be prepared with all sorts of weapons and skills. He does not follow LEO standard procedures, since he is not an LEO and the SHTF scenario does not call for such limitations.
I would suggest that before unilaterally blasting Lynn or the video, watch it in the context it was intended, and you will look at it in a different light.
It doesn't matter how many rounds he shoots each month. He is an unsafe ass-clown and needs to spend some time training with weight watchers...
strm_trpr
09-08-2011, 10:34
Wow, what a clown this guy is, I could not see the glock video but i saw the never unarmed video. These tactics are not. Who the hell is this guy.
SA Friday
09-08-2011, 13:38
wow, just saw the below post... With all due respect to your one post and lack of location or any previous track record on this site, I would have to say the video still stands on it's own. Lynn is grossly overweight, a horrible speaker, and literally teaching dangerous techniques with firearms. Any instructor or student that follows his teachings would fall into the category of completely lutacris.
Basic point in fact; you want to get your first round off faster, practice drawing and shooting your first round ON TARGET enough to get the job done. You cannot speed up your draw to first round by shooting a round into the ground a Couple of feet from your own body... The reason nobody else is teaching "techniques" like this is because they aren't techniques. They are simply bad ideas and dangerous. You pull a stunt like that at any shooting competition or pistol school in America, and you will be packing your stuff and going home. You might even be asked to not return, ever.
I suggest you take a shooting class from someone other than Lynn and has a reputation that's solid. Then compare Lynn's garbage to it before defending this garbage.
I know Lynn Thompson, and I can tel you that much of the bile here and negative comments are not only inaccurate, but do not reflect on the DVD in its proper context. The video in question was never meant as a "training video".
The "Never Unarmed" DVD set is designed more as an introduction to different weapons and their capabilities. Lynn was more interested in giving an overview of each gun and how it can be used in a SHTF scenario.
This is not a LEO training video (though Lynn has trained with some of the best instructors around), nor is it a Military training video. It is not a training video at all.
If we want to look at Lynn's credentials, not only has he trained as a martial artist, hand-weapon, and firearm user, but his training has been with some of the most credentialed teachers around. His own expertise is based on many decades of not only training, but putting his skills to use as a big-game hunter.
He has been in many situations with very dangerous animals well within a dangerous range to him, and it has been his skill that has proven to not only make him successful, but keep him safe. He has been around many unskilled, and sometimes inattentive members of his hunting party that have proven to be a danger to him and the rest of the party in a precarious moment, and he has been able to rise above and succeed without harming himself or members of his party- so much of the bashing on this thread is unfounded.
Lynn fires over 2,000 rounds a month, and is constantly practicing to be prepared with all sorts of weapons and skills. He does not follow LEO standard procedures, since he is not an LEO and the SHTF scenario does not call for such limitations.
I would suggest that before unilaterally blasting Lynn or the video, watch it in the context it was intended, and you will look at it in a different light.
Mick-Boy
09-08-2011, 14:10
Even in a SHTF (lord how I hate that expression) situation you will be held accountable for EVERY ROUND FIRED. Pressing the trigger without the foggiest idea of where your muzzle is pointed is stupid and dangerous.
I don't care if he hunted dinosaurs with Jesus and Crocodile Dundee, unsafe is unsafe. The number of rounds he fires in a month is irrelevant if they do not hit their intended target(presumably NOT the ground 4 feet in front of him). If he is teaching these techniques to people, he is very likely going to be facing some very ugly lawsuits.
Anyone want to bet on the fact that the newbie single post in favor of Lynn might actually be Lynn himself? Google your biggest mistake that was put on YouTube and this link probably comes up. It seems pretty self serving if you ask me, basically paints Lynn as some kind of SHTF weapons god. Paaaahhhhhleeeeeaaaasssseeee! Maybe a mod can reverse lookup his IP address and see where it came from, bet it's him.
Delfuego
09-08-2011, 15:37
Awesome! Thanks, I needed that.[ROFL1]
Tactical train is like martial arts training, its all about the instructor. This guy is the Cobra Kai of the tactical world. "Sweep the leg!"
Glock Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEFMul65PUA&NR=1
Opposing a small sword with a bowie knife
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zeQUsHuYsw&feature=related
Mick-Boy
09-08-2011, 16:00
Cobra Kai was offering some no BS, pragmatic training. Their stuff was much better for winning fights than that silly wax-on, wax-off nonsense.
We do not train to be merciful here. Mercy is for the weak. Here, in the streets, in competition: A man confronts you, he is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy.
STRIKE FIRST. STRIKE HARD. NO MERCY SIR.
Finish him!
[Beer]
jerrymrc
09-08-2011, 16:55
Anyone want to bet on the fact that the newbie single post in favor of Lynn might actually be Lynn himself? Google your biggest mistake that was put on YouTube and this link probably comes up. It seems pretty self serving if you ask me, basically paints Lynn as some kind of SHTF weapons god. Paaaahhhhhleeeeeaaaasssseeee! Maybe a mod can reverse lookup his IP address and see where it came from, bet it's him.
All I will say is that it came from Southern Cali.[Pepsi]And due to other factors it does not look to be a proxy/redirect.
SuperiorDG
09-08-2011, 17:54
All I will say is that it came from Southern Cali.[Pepsi]And due to other factors it does not look to be a proxy/redirect.
Aren't we special. [ROFL2]
strm_trpr
09-08-2011, 18:51
I was finally able to see the Glock video.....
OMG, first off this guys draw is awful. He bring his hands together way out front, he should bring the gun center then punch out. And Second nobody shoots the ground first. A true CQB position is shooting from the hip or the pectoral. But you still aim the weapon at the perp before firing. I am a big guy and trying to slim down but I am nowhere near as bad as this fatso. He cannot talk without getting winded. Why the hell do you need a 32 round mag on a 9mm glock. Why not just have 3 17 round mags? My glock mag changes are damn fast and most people I work with are too.
All I will say is that it came from Southern Cali.[Pepsi]And due to other factors it does not look to be a proxy/redirect.
And Cold Steel Knives is in Cali, hmmmmmmmm. It just couldn't be so!
Since this thread came back to life I watched the video again because I needed a laugh. This time I picked up on him constantly mentioning his 17L trying to make me jealous. Good times.
As for the DngRuss1 post, it was his only one and it was over a month ago. I don't think anyone needs to waste any time tracking this guy down or dignify it by giving a damn. All part of the joke now.
trout_champ
09-09-2011, 16:44
Anyone have a link to the video? The original doesn’t work.
Randy
SuperiorDG
09-09-2011, 16:46
Anyone have a link to the video? The original doesn’t work.
Randy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEFMul65PUA&NR=1
Looks like he changed it. Sorry
SuperiorDG
09-09-2011, 16:54
Here you go.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95f_1311250388
jrdale84
09-18-2011, 15:14
And I quote: "*slaps 32 rd mag into G17L* This isnt bulky is it" ... yea if you are used to walkabouts and carrying a boomerang! I love the Africa quote too - frankly if I am ever in a situation where I might need over 100 rounds of ammo I won't be carrying 9mm. Experianced african hunter my ass.
"You may get stuck out here and you may have to engage someone" ... for their cheeseburger.
BANG work the bolt BANG work the bolt BANG work the bolt
sometimesright
09-18-2011, 16:46
Warning: Viewing this video while in the process of consuming liquids may result in spewing unexpected discharge of said fluid from the nasal passages.
OK - I apologize for my small attempt at Sunday afternoon humor...
On a more serious note and a different twist - I feel there is always something I can learn. Sometimes I encounter an experience that after further deliberation makes me decide to NOT do something a certain way. I was actually able to pick up a couple of behaviors from the video in which I choose not to engage. But hey, that's just me. [Tooth]
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