View Full Version : Best factory custom 1911 around/over a G
sneakerd
07-19-2011, 20:35
I checked for a similiar thread, didn't see one. Am thinking of adding to my stable of 1911s. Willing to go around and a little over a G. I'm thinking TRP. They are pretty high brand new on GB, but can be had for less very slightly used. Watchu think? Of course there's also the Range Officer, but no nites and I need ambi-safety, or a nice new Loaded model.
No I'm not limited to Springfields.
I'll hand over that SIS for $900. [Tooth]
There are only 3 on the GB for $1500
sneakerd
07-19-2011, 20:39
Yea I know, and as you know I've been tempted, but I'm not really into Kimbers. Yours is a very good deal for that pistol, they go up to $1500 on GB.
If you're into blasting paper I'd look at the Springfield RO or an STI Trojan. I like the RO a bit more because they're a little cheaper and a they're built to the same quality as the TRP minus the little extras (front strap checkering, finish, FCS, Magwell, ambi, etc.).
I would stay away from kimber. Unless you want an over rated and over priced under performance gun, than go for it. I am sorry YOU COULD NOT PAY ME TO TAKE A KIMBER. And no its not cause they cost to much, I have a 2000.00 1911 in my collection. My opinion is based on me being able to make better shots with a ria than a kimber. I hear the operator is pretty good. Also try out the Ruger sr1911 or the desert eagle 1911g
I would stay away from kimber. Unless you want an over rated and over priced under performance gun, than go for it
Care to explain why Kimbers are so bad?
Apparently he can't shoot it.
Byte Stryke
07-20-2011, 07:59
Apparently he can't shoot it.
I Guess, because other than being a bit expensive my Kimber pro-carry II was a great buy and it shoots great.
I Attribute the higher cost to the CT Grips and the lighter aluminum frame.
But I Wanted those things, so it was worth it to me.
in the end, isn't that what its about?
YMMV
Mostly what makes me not like them is the price, and how every one thinks there the best. I have been shooting 1911's all my life and have not found any one who can out shoot me yet, I am just talking about people I have come across, other 1911 enthusiast friends in law enforcement who carry and practice with the 1911, I am no steven seagal, but I can sure shoot, especially the 1911, So as far as me not being able to shoot it, trust my that is not the case. I would take the pepsi challenge with my desert eagle, smith, and the ria, that I rebuilt and made a few ajustments to with any kimber. To me a kimber is a escalade, an over priced yukon, it has all chevy running gear, and is the same thing as a yukon, but people will pay higher price for the name. Kimber's all had there frames and slides and other small parts made from smith up untill 2001. I heard up until 2 years ago, but cant confirm that. So in short I despise kimber and will never own one, oh and I have seen my fair share of jams out of kimbers, my friend that is a deputy, carry's a kimber. And he is a kimber enthusiast, and I think it is funny as can be when I see it jam with a wc mag. I still have not hade any problems with my smith, desert, or my ria, and I am still running the stock act mags. I hope this answers your question. Have a nice day and be safe.
And to answer the question about the Desert eagle and Ruger sr1911. The Desert eagle is incredible, the frame to slide tolerance is amazing, you can not feel any movement. The gun is incredibly accurate, it is an amazing gun. I have not handled a Ruger sr1911, but I hear the same thing about it. I have heard the same about the frame to slide movement, and how accurate the gun is. I have been told it has a very nice trigger. I have ajusted the trigger on my Desert eagle, and smith, to the point that it would not be a good self defense weapon, if you were to touch the trigger pulling it out of the holster, you would end up with a hole in your foot.
I have been shooting 1911's all my life and have not found any one who can out shoot me yet
Steven seagal
I would take the pepsi challenge
my friend that is a deputy
Well okie dokie then...
sneakerd
07-20-2011, 18:45
This guy must be better than a Ransom Rest!!!![ROFL1]
No offense meant really- but that's a pretty tall order you've made for yourself. I'm a pretty good shot myself with most any reliable pistol you put in my hand, but I figger they can still outshoot me if you put 'em in a Ransom Rest.[Weight]
No I just cant justify spending that kind of money on a 1911, that is no better than one for half the price. I got my Desert Eagle for $650 and some change, and I have not found a kimber that can out shoot it. Also I own a Smith, who made parts for kimber. My Smith & Wesson is as accurate as they come. I have shot alot of 1911's from singer to gsg 1911-22, and that Smith is by far the best. But that is just my opinion, to which every one is intitled to. Basicly I personaly would not own a kimber do to the fact that I think they are way over priced, and even more over rated. any one remember the external extractor problems, S&W all have external extractors and I have not had on fte or ftf with mine. I think dan wesson were able to use the external extractor also without any problems. If you sent your kimber in, it came back with an internal extractor. And graves I am sorry I guess I dont understand your response? With all that said to each his own be safe and have Fun.
Byte Stryke
07-20-2011, 19:27
Mostly what makes me not like them is the price, and how every one thinks there the best. I have been shooting 1911's all my life and have not found any one who can out shoot me yet, I am just talking about people I have come across, other 1911 enthusiast friends in law enforcement who carry and practice with the 1911, I am no steven seagal, but I can sure shoot, especially the 1911, So as far as me not being able to shoot it, trust my that is not the case. I would take the pepsi challenge with my desert eagle, smith, and the ria, that I rebuilt and made a few ajustments to with any kimber. To me a kimber is a escalade, an over priced yukon, it has all chevy running gear, and is the same thing as a yukon, but people will pay higher price for the name. Kimber's all had there frames and slides and other small parts made from smith up untill 2001. I heard up until 2 years ago, but cant confirm that. So in short I despise kimber and will never own one, oh and I have seen my fair share of jams out of kimbers, my friend that is a deputy, carry's a kimber. And he is a kimber enthusiast, and I think it is funny as can be when I see it jam with a wc mag. I still have not hade any problems with my smith, desert, or my ria, and I am still running the stock act mags. I hope this answers your question. Have a nice day and be safe.
And to answer the question about the Desert eagle and Ruger sr1911. The Desert eagle is incredible, the frame to slide tolerance is amazing, you can not feel any movement. The gun is incredibly accurate, it is an amazing gun. I have not handled a Ruger sr1911, but I hear the same thing about it. I have heard the same about the frame to slide movement, and how accurate the gun is. I have been told it has a very nice trigger. I have ajusted the trigger on my Desert eagle, and smith, to the point that it would not be a good self defense weapon, if you were to touch the trigger pulling it out of the holster, you would end up with a hole in your foot.
No I just cant justify spending that kind of money on a 1911, that is no better than one for half the price. I got my Desert Eagle for $650 and some change, and I have not found a kimber that can out shoot it. Also I own a Smith, who made parts for kimber. My Smith & Wesson is as accurate as they come. I have shot alot of 1911's from singer to gsg 1911-22, and that Smith is by far the best. But that is just my opinion, to which every one is intitled to. Basicly I personaly would not own a kimber do to the fact that I think they are way over priced, and even more over rated. any one remember the external extractor problems, S&W all have external extractors and I have not had on fte or ftf with mine. I think dan wesson were able to use the external extractor also without any problems. If you sent your kimber in, it came back with an internal extractor. And graves I am sorry I guess I dont understand your response? With all that said to each his own be safe and have Fun.
Umm,
Just
[Wow2]
But anyway, I like my Kimber... quite a bit lighter than the steel frames and I figure it was my decision.
I hit what I Shoot at, no failures, so I am happy.
obviously, not everyone will agree.
sneakerd
07-20-2011, 19:54
What about you TRP owners? That's what I'm leaning towards.
I love my TRP, I really can't bring myself to like the FCS and I ditched the flgr and went with a GI style guide rod but overall, it's a sweet pistol...I'm like fricken Seinfeld when it comes to my guns. [Bang]
sneakerd
07-20-2011, 20:51
Stainless or K-Kote?[Muaha]
sneakerd
07-20-2011, 21:04
That's what I'm looking at. Why don't you keep the SIS and talk to me about the TRP?
I have my keepers. [Coffee]
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=242763917
Theres another good $1k choice at jensens.
sneakerd
07-20-2011, 21:24
Yeah the SIS is a keeper- for youuuuuuuuuuuu. Tick- tock- ohm- ohm-- you're starting to feel sleeeepy..........
sneakerd
07-20-2011, 21:27
I'm also eyeing the STI Ranger II or III. right in there, but no nites and no ambi-safety. Have to have both for me on a fighter. Anybody have experience with STI? Quality parts?
nogaroheli
07-20-2011, 21:53
I'm also eyeing the STI Ranger II or III. right in there, but no nites and no ambi-safety. Have to have both for me on a fighter. Anybody have experience with STI? Quality parts?
Tagged.
I think we're on the same page Sneaker. I have a Springfield Loaded blackened stainless combat that got worked by Springfield's custom shop that I just can't fall in love with and thinking of getting rid of. I'm really eyeing the armory kote TRP sans rail and also the STI Lawman (or whatever other 5" single stack, non-railed, non-target sight models they have). I've heard nothing but good about STI.
I love my Springer Loaded Operator. Very reliable, fit and finish is very impressive. I shoot it alot and I have very few malfs.
sneakerd
07-20-2011, 22:00
I am obviously lefty so, especially in a 1911, have to have an ambi-safety. If the pistol doesn't have that, I have to figure that into the price. Pretty much the same with nites. As hotsy-totsy as a gun with old Bomars may be, I've never felt the need for adjustable sights on a fighting pistol. Give me Heinies or Trijicons all day long! The TRP seems to be the best at that price range. SHIT- Graves is still asleep@!
sneakerd
07-20-2011, 22:03
If there was such a thing as a TRP Commander, I'd be all over it, but no such, sooooo. Where the hell has Graves gone? Passed out in the corner. Wake him up!!!
http://picturearchive.auctionarms.com/7648160805/9045287/629cdf8e90f4bc3a069a66ed5be68b8b.jpg
sneakerd
07-20-2011, 22:24
There you go again. No nites and no Ambi-safety. Don't you ever learn?[Coffee]
It's a TRP champion, you asked if they made one...
Tall order and Ransom test, that is kind of funny. I dont need to pay money to tell me how good I am. I probably spend what it would cost to take that test on ammo when I go out. Since I was a Kid I would aim for the smallest target and run it out until I could hardly see it, then shoot it until I could not see it, then I would make an educated guess, and 9 times out of 10 the item I was shooting at would fly up about 3 feet into the air. You are talking to a guy that spends more money a week in ammo then most people make at there job, and no its not cause I am that bad, I just shoot ALOT. I have been shooting since I was a Kid, my first gun I shot with was a Colt delta elite 10mm, with hot reloads. My uncle thought it was funny and was sure i was not going to hit the 6 inch plate he put out at 150 yards, he was no longer laughing when he found out I was better with his gun then he was, when I nailed it 5 times out of my first mag, and all of the second. Test like you speak of are for people that have to have a paper telling them they can shoot, if in fact they can. I have my experience, and cct training. Anyway I thought this was about what was the best 1911 for around a 1000, ever think about building one. You can do like I did and use an ria frame and build yourself a custom 1911. I have also heard norinco frames are good for building do to being realy hard.
sneakerd
07-20-2011, 22:34
Ok then. Sorry to ruffle yer feathers. By the way- it's a Ransom Rest, not a Ransom test. If you don't know what that is offhand, then I can't help you.
I could talk about how I punch holes in paper all day too but...
7 shots @ 15yds unsupported.
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac351/grav3s/photo-9.jpg
That was just a good day though.
sneakerd
07-20-2011, 22:39
Graves- so that's a TRP Champion? Never heard of it. Sure that isn't just a Champion? Not trying to be rude, but no ambi's and it doesn't look like those are nites. Aren't those standard TRP mods?
sneakerd
07-20-2011, 22:40
Atta boy Graves- now that's a TRP (maybe?)! Want to sell it? Come 'on now- help you with that vaca!!!!
They made them between 1999-2001
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/tditmore/TRPChampion.jpg[/QUOTE]
sneakerd
07-20-2011, 22:44
Ambi in the pic??? Duh-uh, your gun says TRP on the slide. Wow.
Well that explains it, I would not know what something like that is, cause i would not use it, as i can shoot. The funny thing was is I was going to say I can make robin hood shots at 50 yards, but I did not realy want to brag, as it seems to be affending some of you. But hey 15 yards is good to, most self deffence situations happen within 4 to 8 feet, so you would do great. I also happen to know that I can hit a human sized target at 200 + yards with a 1911 with no problem
Zombie Steve
07-21-2011, 10:43
I have a stainless TRP, and it's staying in the collection. It's always run the way it's supposed to, and is fairly accurate.
The TRP negatives, IMHO:
-My MIM parts have held up, but they still annoy me.
-The stupid mainspring setup / lock
-The stupid billboarding all over the gun. Seems it has something written on every square inch.
-I'm so-so on the full length guide rod. I think it helps only in the sense that you have a teeny bit more forward weight. I'm not going to swap it out. Like I said, the gun runs.
I was savagely burned on a Kimber TLE II. The thing would fail to feed with some regularity (ball ammo, various mags). It even had a trip back to Yonkers. They "fixed" it and sent it back. It was slightly better, but still failed to feed about 2% of the time. It was a shame. I really wanted to like that gun.
Knowing the price of a TRP, you are in a few hundred dollars' striking distance of a Baer 1911 (I'll call them semi-custom).
Also consider Dan Wesson's 1911's. Production guns about the price of a TRP and good quality. I don't know about ambi's on them, but it isn't major surgery to add one.
Good luck. Let us know what you get.
Have you thought about getting a sig, they dont use mim parts, the make a heck of a 1911 and you can pick up gsr for about 900. Also the cool thing is they brought back the colt mustang (sig p238) I am either going to get a mustang or a p238 not sure yet. But the gsr might be something to look into, it is in your price range, and if you want google sig vs kimber and you can see what other people think. I hope this helps.
The finest 1911 I ever owned was a Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special. It's a bit above your $1K limit, but worth every penny!
kittrich
08-02-2011, 18:31
I have 3 Kimber's, 1 Colt NM and 1 Wilson Professional. I am scared to think of the "anti" rants dude will come up with on that collection. Let's here it dead eye!!! I also want to here the story about how you whipped the Kimber USA's CEO with one hand and a blindfold. STFU
I have 3 Kimber's, 1 Colt NM and 1 Wilson Professional. I am scared to think of the "anti" rants dude will come up with on that collection. Let's here it dead eye!!! I also want to here the story about how you whipped the Kimber USA's CEO with one hand and a blindfold. STFUMan it is fun pissing off kimber guys, I put up a post and got all the answers I need. I figure it does not matter how much you spend on a gun if you cant shoot it, and I can do the same thing with a 1800 1911 as i can a 400 1911, I know I can shoot so I dont have to go out and try to buy the so called best 1911. So enjoy your collection sounds like it cost a pretty penny. And as always be safe and hafe fun.
sneakerd
08-02-2011, 19:00
Hey Atrain- what's your schedule? I'd like to go pistol shootin' with you. Figger you might be able to teach me sumpin'!
Hey Atrain- what's your schedule? I'd like to go pistol shootin' with you. Figger you might be able to teach me sumpin'!It all depends I quess
sneakerd
08-02-2011, 19:28
Mine is pretty open. Don't know where you live, (duh-uh Greeley- PERFECT) but I'm a member at Firing Line. We can get in there cheap, but they've really shortened the range. I recommend Front Range up in Loveland. Great range, real clean- me, TDYRanger and my girl were up there for about 3 hours today.
kittrich
08-02-2011, 20:02
Let me know when and where too. I gotta see this guy shoot 200 yards
sneakerd
08-02-2011, 20:12
Let's not make that what this is all about. I will be perfectly honest- I think Atrain toots his horn a bit too much, but then who knows- he may actually have some tips for those of us who can't shoot like he says he can. I love to shoot, shoot a lot, and like the Loveland facility. If anyone wants to go up there and meet and shoot- I'm in. Besides, FR doesn't have a 200 yard range, nor would I have ANY interest in trying my hand at it unless I have a rest and a long barrelled Smith. Like an 8 3/8" 27. I reckon I could do some damage with that.
Let's not make that what this is all about. I will be perfectly honest- I think Atrain toots his horn a bit too much, but then who knows- he may actually have some tips for those of us who can't shoot like he says he can. I love to shoot, shoot a lot, and like the Loveland facility. If anyone wants to go up there and meet and shoot- I'm in. Besides, FR doesn't have a 200 yard range, nor would I have ANY interest in trying my hand at it unless I have a rest and a long barrelled Smith. Like an 8 3/8" 27.Try great guns in nunn the have 200 and 300 yard. I have not been to the rifle range but they might go out further.
sneakerd
08-02-2011, 20:33
I would be perfectly happy at Front Range. When is the next time you're free? As I said- I'm pretty flexible, that doesn't mean I'll go at the drop of a hat though. I'm totally serious.[Beer]
sneakerd
08-02-2011, 20:38
Days during the week are best at Front Range. Less crowded, you can hang for a couple of hours without feeling like you're Bogarting the booth.
They are closed on Mondays.
Days during the week are best at Front Range. Less crowded, you can hang for a couple of hours without feeling like you're Bogarting the booth.
They are closed on Mondays.GG is also I dont know I have alot going on right now, I will hopefuly be making time to try out a new 1911 tomorrow.
sneakerd
08-02-2011, 20:46
I can't go tomorrow but I can and will go Thursday if anyone wants to. I like to get there about 11am, hang for like 2 hours shootin' whatever I bring. Anybody up for it? Hey Atrain- let me know the very next time you can go to Front Range (Loveland) from Tues-Fri- only because it's less crowded. Come 'on, anybody up for Thurs?
Maybe we should start a new post, this dude probably is not getting his answers to his questions
sneakerd
08-02-2011, 20:57
Wow. Ok- new post in "Training". Just remember I'M the original poster!!! HaHa HoHo HeHe.
I really like TRP Operator. I like every thing about it, except the checkering is too aggressive. I just put skateboard tape on it. :D
I do own a Kimber. Kimber Desert Warrior. Real nice firearm.
Ambi safety and rail is a must for me.
I once had a tendon tear, and had to carry a firearm on a left side for almost 2month.
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