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My normal carry rig is a glock 30/ XD subby in a liberty holsters IWB, I have been helping buddies move these past couple weekends and holy shit is it hot. I am thinking I need something that can go in a pocket so I can wear just an under shirt when it is stupid hot out. I have looked online at the LC9 an airweight revolver in .38 + p or .357 and stuff like that.
What are you guys carrying during the summer in the pocket size.
My other issue is wanting to be able to test drive them to see how well it fits my complete lack of hips and keeps the pants up. My normal belt is a wilderness so I have the support in the belt dept. My normal pants are boot cut relaxed fit blue jeans so I have a decent front pocket size with a couple pair of woolrich tactical but they are way to hot to even attempt.
I carry a lcp 380 It's the smallest lightest one out there. I use a uncle mikes size 36 in the rt front pocket. the holster is for a bigger gun but it allows me to tuck the slide part of the gun under the inside of the pocket. It is comfortable because it holds the pistol from going to the bottom of the pocket. [Beer]
I carry a lcp 380 It's the smallest lightest one out there. I use a uncle mikes size 36 in the rt front pocket. the holster is for a bigger gun but it allows me to tuck the slide part of the gun under the inside of the pocket. It is comfortable because it holds the pistol from going to the bottom of the pocket. [Beer]
I looked at the lcp but am want to use 9mm as my minimum caliber. but if nothing else will seem to work I will go the lcp route.
mcantar18c
07-20-2011, 18:32
We can trade your Glock for my BUG (Beretta Jetfire) for the summer. I don't mind carrying a man gun [Tooth]
mcantar18c
07-20-2011, 18:34
I've heard good things about this one... single stack 9...
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-PM9.asp
We can trade your Glock for my BUG (Beretta Jetfire) for the summer. I don't mind carrying a man gun [Tooth]
^^^Funny this one is. though i would not mind trading someone the glock for a week or so to get an idea of what i need to look for.
mcantar18c
07-20-2011, 18:41
^^^Funny this one is. though i would not mind trading someone the glock for a week or so to get an idea of what i need to look for.
My offer stands... I was kidding around in my post but if you're serious about it I would be up for it.
My offer stands... I was kidding around in my post but if you're serious about it I would be up for it.
Might consider it was hoping to stay in the 9mm + region.
I will have to wait until the xd gets back with my roommate from yellowstone so I have a big boy gun for home defense besides the AR
mcantar18c
07-20-2011, 18:50
Might consider it was hoping to stay in the 9mm + region.
I will have to wait until the xd gets back with my roommate from yellowstone so I have a big boy gun for home defense besides the AR
Yeah its a bit smaller than a 9mm but you'll be able to get a feel for the size of a pocket gun, how to carry it (I had to rearrange the chit in my pockets a few times to find something that worked well), etc. Although, I read an article about a study and the .25 and 9 weren't very different in the results... http://buckeyefirearms.com/node/7866
Yeah its a bit smaller than a 9mm but you'll be able to get a feel for the size of a pocket gun, how to carry it (I had to rearrange the chit in my pockets a few times to find something that worked well), etc. Although, I read an article about a study and the .25 and 9 weren't very different in the results... http://buckeyefirearms.com/node/7866
hmm interesting stats. is it +p rated[LOL]
mcantar18c
07-20-2011, 19:01
hmm interesting stats. is it +p rated[LOL]
[ROFL1] I dunno if they even make +P .25ACP. I carry FMJs in mine, the hollow points just don't penetrate reliably (from what I read from the expertz on the interwebz).
I found these numbers pretty interesting though (interesting in how close they are)...
.25ACP
% of hits that were fatal - 25%
Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 2.2
One-shot-stop % - 30%
9mm
% of hits that were fatal - 24%
Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 2.45
One-shot-stop % - 34%
Byte Stryke
07-20-2011, 19:08
[ROFL1] I dunno if they even make +P .25ACP. I carry FMJs in mine, the hollow points just don't penetrate reliably (from what I read from the expertz on the interwebz).
I found these numbers pretty interesting though (interesting in how close they are)...
.25ACP
% of hits that were fatal - 25%
Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 2.2
One-shot-stop % - 30%
9mm
% of hits that were fatal - 24%
Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 2.45
One-shot-stop % - 34%
yes but a classic denim jacket, thick hoodie at range, small breast wallet or a strong wind will stop a .25 in most cases.
[LOL]
Anytime I get too hot doing something while wearing a polo, I call "OC" and go undershirt only.
yes but a classic denim jacket, thick hoodie at range, small breast wallet or a strong wind will stop a .25 in most cases.
[LOL]
Anytime I get too hot doing something while wearing a polo, I call "OC" and go undershirt only.
Just moved up here to the Thornton area 104th/Steele ish how does the OC thing go over up here?
mcantar18c
07-20-2011, 19:36
Just moved up here to the Thornton area 104th/Steele ish how does the OC thing go over up here?
I don't think Adams County has any BS laws about it. I've looked over the laws before and as far as I can tell, its legal to OC anywhere outside of Denver County and restricted areas (fed. buildings, schools, etc.).
Byte Stryke
07-20-2011, 19:56
Just moved up here to the Thornton area 104th/Steele ish how does the OC thing go over up here?
dont live next door to a school or go "Rambo" and you are fine.
otherwise you might get a few calls
I've heard good things about this one... single stack 9...
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-PM9.asp
I've been itching to try one of these too.
[ROFL1] I dunno if they even make +P .25ACP. I carry FMJs in mine, the hollow points just don't penetrate reliably (from what I read from the expertz on the interwebz).
I have seen +P+ .25 ACP ammo before. It is rare and not available through commercial manufacturers and still lacks the power of a decent .32 ACP hollowpoint.
No .25 ACP hollowpoint expands reliably. The only defensive round I recommend for the .25 ACP is the Winchester Xpanding point. It is loaded hot, expands, and creates two wound channels. Penetration is comparable to FMJ. Still, a little more than half the power of a .32 ACP. You cannot rely on the .25 to stop someone. It will, however, slow them down and possibly change their mind.
I have heard that a shiny nickle plating increases the stopping power of a .25 ACP by 25%. [Tooth]
brianakell
07-20-2011, 21:45
Maybe a dumb question, but..... Why not just untuck the under shirt, or loose it, and just wear one shirt?
Byte Stryke
07-20-2011, 22:39
Maybe a dumb question, but..... Why not just untuck the under shirt, or loose it, and just wear one shirt?
My Kimber rubs my side and if its sweaty it gets a bit raw.
That's why I wear an undershirt
The LCP is approximately the same size and weight as a .25 automatic with more than double the power. There is also a LEGAL wallet rig available for it, which completely squares off the print and makes it look like something other than a gun. I really liked mine a lot, but then I realized how difficult it was to strip down, and I decided plastic triggers with lots of creep and no doublestrike capability just wasn;'t for me. For what it is, it's a good gun, and it is very reliable.
mcantar18c
07-21-2011, 16:42
I have seen +P+ .25 ACP ammo before. It is rare and not available through commercial manufacturers and still lacks the power of a decent .32 ACP hollowpoint.
No .25 ACP hollowpoint expands reliably. The only defensive round I recommend for the .25 ACP is the Winchester Xpanding point. It is loaded hot, expands, and creates two wound channels. Penetration is comparable to FMJ. Still, a little more than half the power of a .32 ACP. You cannot rely on the .25 to stop someone. It will, however, slow them down and possibly change their mind.
I have heard that a shiny nickle plating increases the stopping power of a .25 ACP by 25%. [Tooth]
I'll give that ammo a shot and see how it performs.
As far as .25ACP not being able to reliable stop someone (going off on a tangent here)...
Yes, the .25ACP cartridge is weak in comparison to some of the other, larger handgun cartridges out there. However, something people need to realize is that there simply isn't that big of a difference in handgun calibers, and they all suck. I don't care if you think that .380 auto is plenty powerful to take down a threat or if you think nothing short of the incredible unstoppable superman .45ACP is enough to reliably get the job done... all handgun cartridges suck pretty equally. They lack power, range, and accuracy (compared to long arms and their common loads), and that's just the nature of the beast when you're working with cartridges designed specifically to fit inside a grip small enough to fit in the palm of your hand.
The penetration of 9mm, .357SIG, .40S&W, .45ACP, etc. in ballistic gel is all very similar to each other, the only major difference being the amount of lead deposited in the target per round. Sure, more lead in the target is always a good thing... the question is how you get it there; do you use a smaller quantity of larger projectiles, or a larger quantity of smaller projectiles? Use whatever you're comfortable with, but (as much as I love my 1911s) I'll take a 9mm over a .45 for defensive purposes any day and get more rounds on target quicker.
So going off that, how do you ensure that your target is no longer a threat? SHOOT THEM TO THE GROUND. No Mozambique Drills or anything like that, that has its purpose and this is not it. No shooting them once and stoping when you see them dropping, as they don't always fall to the ground from the physical damage of a bullet wound. Many times, the psychological impact of "holy shit I just got shot" will shock them and stop and/or drop them, but how long will that effect last? It'd take the fight out of some for sure... but for someone on PCP, bath salts (nasty new shit, fake cocaine but actually stronger than the real stuff), or any other of the I don't know how many drugs out there that alter your state of mind, or a criminal not willing to let themselves get locked up again at any cost, they need something more.
Once you've made the decision to fire (or stab), you keep putting holes in them all the way to the ground and until they stop moving.
SOOO given all of that.... even with the lack of power behind the .25ACP round, I feel confident that I can reliably eliminate a threat with one by shooting them to the ground. I'd probably be a little more selective about my aim (target soft tissue instead of center mass, and could afford to cause it kicks like a BB gun), but I'm still confident one would have no trouble getting the job done.
AirbornePathogen
07-25-2011, 15:56
My old "Summer gun" was a Kahr CW9, which I loved by the way. I used it with a Galco USA (Ultimate Second Amendment) IWB holster, usually for "Appendix carry." I'm not a very big guy (5'4", 180 lbs), and I could wear that with a T-shirt and shorts. If I left the T-shirt untucked, it vanished. FWIW. Personally, I don't like to go any smaller than 9mm/.38 for carry.
mcantar18c
07-25-2011, 22:29
AIWB (Appendix, Inner Waist Band) is the way to go... easy to conceal, fairly comfortable, easily accessible by either hand if one is disabled or being used (fighting off bad guy, blocking, etc.), and as fast of a draw as you can get.
Check out Dale Fricke's Archangel holster, or the Joab if you need a tuckable one.
Update: bought an lcp and a cobra derringer in 9mm today... the derringer is going to be a tackle box gun with snake shot and the lcp damn it is tiny and i think i have fought off bumble bees that weigh more than this thing.
Update: bought an lcp and a cobra derringer in 9mm today... the derringer is going to be a tackle box gun with snake shot and the lcp damn it is tiny and i think i have fought off bumble bees that weigh more than this thing.
You will get used to the LCP. I carried mine in a DeSantis SuperFly pocket holster and you'd forget it was there. As light as most .25 automatics. I ran Remington Golden Sabers through it and never had a single problem. I just couldn't get used to the trigger and needed extra cash so I ended up letting it go. NEVER run +P through the LCP as it is not rated for it.
I was thinking about the Cobra derringer in 9mm at one time, but it seemed impractical to me. Heavy as a J-frame with only 2 single action shots that probably tumble out of the barrel sideways. Good idea to run snakeshot through that. Question: on the Cobra derringer, does the safety switch off automatically when you cock the hammer?
mcantar18c
07-25-2011, 23:17
So when are we going shooting? :D
Just out of curiosity... why the derringer? Price point? For a tackle box gun I'd probably go with something like a Judge or an old .45LC single action, more rounds between reloads and more power out of the .45LC/.410.
So when are we going shooting? :D
Just out of curiosity... why the derringer? Price point? For a tackle box gun I'd probably go with something like a Judge or an old .45LC single action, more rounds between reloads and more power out of the .45LC/.410.
120 bucks is the main reason haha
mcantar18c
07-25-2011, 23:29
120 bucks is the main reason haha
Hell I'd take it at that price too, nice find. Good condition?
Hell I'd take it at that price too, nice find. Good condition?
Ya decent for a cobra i already have the 4 dollar part that it needs coming.
mcantar18c
07-26-2011, 00:07
Nice, I've always thought derringers were cool little contraptions
mrfish83
07-26-2011, 09:28
Another recommendation for an LCP. I love mine. Just train with it, however you carry it.
You will get used to the LCP. I carried mine in a DeSantis SuperFly pocket holster and you'd forget it was there. As light as most .25 automatics. I ran Remington Golden Sabers through it and never had a single problem. I just couldn't get used to the trigger and needed extra cash so I ended up letting it go. NEVER run +P through the LCP as it is not rated for it.
I was thinking about the Cobra derringer in 9mm at one time, but it seemed impractical to me. Heavy as a J-frame with only 2 single action shots that probably tumble out of the barrel sideways. Good idea to run snakeshot through that. Question: on the Cobra derringer, does the safety switch off automatically when you cock the hammer?
nope manual safety move but it is easy to do in the pulling motion.
kpp80202
06-03-2015, 17:14
I really, really fond of my Kahr PM9. Reliable, accurate, small, and packs a punch with Ranger 124g+P rounds. It is pretty snappy, but easily controlled, especially with the A-grips wrap added. I carry at 4:30 in a Galco leather clip on rig.
milwaukeeshaker
06-03-2015, 18:09
Baloney! Kel tec .32 or .380 is smaller and lighter. Ruger just copies kel tec and everyone thinks they are wonderful. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
I carry a lcp 380 It's the smallest lightest one out there. I use a uncle mikes size 36 in the rt front pocket. the holster is for a bigger gun but it allows me to tuck the slide part of the gun under the inside of the pocket. It is comfortable because it holds the pistol from going to the bottom of the pocket. [Beer]
kidicarus13
06-03-2015, 18:13
I may be up for selling my Kahr CM9 if you are interested. 100% reliable unlike the P380 I owned.
Holy zombie thread batman.... To update summer carry is a p238 in a pocket holster
mcantar18c
06-03-2015, 22:22
Here's a summer carry idea. Get into the damn gym so your shoulders/chest are wider than your gut, and you'll be able to carry a double stack AIWB without issues.
kpp80202
06-04-2015, 06:35
Get into the damn gym so your shoulders/chest are wider than your gut, and you'll be able to carry a double stack AIWB without issues.
But after all that work, he won't want to look pudgy again. [Coffee]
Funny mcantar Wish it where that easy I am the opposite of pudgy 6'4" 175 lbs go to the gym regularly.
Rooskibar03
06-07-2015, 10:36
Here's a summer carry idea. Get into the damn gym so your shoulders/chest are wider than your gut, and you'll be able to carry a double stack AIWB without issues.
That sounds like an awful lot of work. Think I'll just pocket carry my 43 if I'm dressing lightly.
hurley842002
06-07-2015, 10:44
That sounds like an awful lot of work. Think I'll just pocket carry my 43 if I'm dressing lightly.
I'm actually quite surprised at how well the G43 carries in the pocket. Probably the biggest reason it's pushed the Shield into the safe, that slightly shorter grip really makes a difference in the pocket.
Rooskibar03
06-07-2015, 10:56
True that. Even with the finger extension it slides in nicely even in jeans that are snug. Carrying my P320 today and it feels like a tank after a few days with the 43 or compared to the Shield.
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