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Apparently multiple car-bombs timed to go off at or near the same time in Oslo
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/22/norway.explosion/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
H.
palepainter
07-22-2011, 11:02
Apparently multiple car-bombs timed to go off at or near the same time in Oslo
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/22/norway.explosion/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
H.
I am really shocked by the attack there. I spend a lot of time in Norway teaching during the summers. Oslo is a great place, very neutral in the world's politics. They kind of keep to themselves, except when it comes to giving out the Nobel Peace Prize.
Zundfolge
07-22-2011, 11:08
Eventually even the "nice" ones WILL try to kill you.
Since this hasn't been updated.
7 dead in the bombing, 10 more injured. A man dressed as a police officer showed up at a summer camp for kids of the politicians of the ruling party and began shooting. Expected dozens dead there, they are still searching for bodies.
The shooter has been arrested, and is confirmed to be a Norwegian. They have found more bombs in Oslo as well as several at the camp.
The shooter has been arrested, and is confirmed to be a Norwegian.
But, but...I've already read on countless forums how it was surely a raghead! [Rant2]
UberTong
07-22-2011, 15:55
But, but...I've already read on countless forums how it was surely a raghead! [Rant2]
Stupid.
Reportedly a photo from the summer camp. Only linking it, not going to img code it.
http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/wide_webkuva/horizontal/1135267983628.jpeg
UberTong
07-22-2011, 16:10
Heart goes out to my Viking cousins over there.
Too bad Norway doesn't have a death penalty. Cocksucker deserves no less. What a coward, shooting kids. Can only hope the perp dies a slow, painful death and has a real bad afterlife in Hell.
+1
SA Friday
07-22-2011, 16:36
Just based on the preliminary news reports, it has many of the earmarks of a politically motivated domestic terrorist attack. My number one question is where did the high yield explosives come from. Number two question is where the money for the attacks come from. Answer those two questions, and you'll figure out all the rest.
Shooter sounds like a perfect candidate for some swimming in shackles lessons
theGinsue
07-22-2011, 17:15
I can look at the photo in the "Things You Can't Unsee" thread without a problem, but if that photo is really of the summer camp - well let's just say I feel sick to my stomach right now.
Most disturbing.
Hell hath certainly come to visit this world and refuses to go home.
Photo of the shooter at the summer camp before being captured. Again, extremely graphic.
http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s/16/media16/2011/Jul/22/LiveLeak-dot-com-d9da77e9b78c-shooter.jpeg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b 4db65f5e99818bad6974e43d3de74ec&ec_rate=300
Well what is the party in power doing?
I'd assume interrogating the shooter.
Well what is the party in power doing?
If they follow common trend, all the government is gonna do they will prohibit private gun ownership completely :(
There is so much old explosives from world war II still in northern europe, specially in northern Finland, Sweden and Norway. It is not really that hard to get (for example) old naval mine, if you want it and you are crazy enough to disassembly an old mine...
Trinitrotoluene is not the latest technology in high explosives, but if you have 800 lbs of it, blast can be kinda big in middle of a city...
Looks like funding came from some of Norwegian´s extremely right wing groups, but that is "official truth" so nobody may really know yet.
Latest update: at least 87 dead :(
No, I mean what is the party in power doing to attract such ire?
BushMasterBoy
07-22-2011, 21:10
Sounds like a Tim McVeigh copycat. Too bad there was no preventative intelligence prior to the attack. We will have to wait until authorities tell us the story. Sad day for the world.
No, I mean what is the party in power doing to attract such ire?
To put long story short: being too leftish. Please note that Norway has 7 parties in parliament. There were 24 parties trying to get votes in elections, but 7 of these got through to parliament.
In 2009 parliament elections, left wing party Arbeiderpartiet (Ap) was biggest party with big margin, Ap got 35.4% of all votes. With as close to communist party as it gets in Norway, Sosialistisk Venstreparti (SV), they have 41.6% of votes together.
In 2009 Høyre (H) "right wing party" got 17.2%
BushMasterBoy
07-22-2011, 21:21
This guy is in custody...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik
Yeah I knew that 10 dead at the island wasn't right. The two pics of the island they posted, you could see at least 20 bodies between em...
Byte Stryke
07-22-2011, 21:47
am I the only one bothered by the fact the media paints him as a "right wing extremist" instead of a nutjob?
gives the right wing a bad color
Colorado Pete
07-22-2011, 21:49
If the perp was against leftists/communists, you would think he'd be wiping out communists.
Shooting people and kids in a camp is hardly a political statement, it's more like dementia.
patrick0685
07-22-2011, 21:54
this is just terrible, i dont know of any punishment that he really deserves
am I the only one bothered by the fact the media paints him as a "right wing extremist" instead of a nutjob?
gives the right wing a bad color
He was a neo nazi. He IS a right wing extremist. They exist, just like there are left wing extremists. Tim McVeigh was a right wing extremist as well.
If the perp was against leftists/communists, you would think he'd be wiping out communists.
Shooting people and kids in a camp is hardly a political statement, it's more like dementia.
He was very anti labour party. Basically unions and liberals. The summer camp was for kids of labour party members. His justification, I'd assume, is they were the next generation of what he viewed as the problem.
Has he left a manifesto or anything else explaining what in particular he is unhappy with?
Has he left a manifesto or anything else explaining what in particular he is unhappy with?
He created a twitter account last week and put a single post on it.
http://www.kevinislaughter.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Anders-B.-Breivik-AndersBBreivik-on-Twitter.png
Zundfolge
07-22-2011, 22:04
He was a neo nazi.
According to the Wikipedia page he was a big fan of Anti-Nazis ... and this is why the left/right paradigm falls apart ... Nazis are almost the same thing as Communists ... therefore the extreme right and extreme left are right next to each other and everything else is off where? Some obtuse angle?
Anyway, like McVeigh this guy was likely a pseudo-politically motivated wackjob ... right, left, up, down ... the more important label is "wackjob".
Well whatever political freedom was left in Norway will likely be over because of this.
A prayer for the victims and their families.
am I the only one bothered by the fact the media paints him as a "right wing extremist" instead of a nutjob?
gives the right wing a bad color
...giving right wing bad color is exactly what main media over there wants to do. Not just Norway´s problem, though.
Media has the right to publish.....as long as it complies with government goals :(
The comments for the Fox News article are enough to melt your mind. Half the people posting there are blaming muslims, the other half are blaming the tea party. It's a black hole for stupidity. Intelligence cannot escape.
Zundfolge
07-22-2011, 22:20
The comments for the Fox News article are enough to melt your mind. Half the people posting there are blaming muslims, the other half are blaming the tea party. It's a black hole for stupidity. Intelligence cannot escape.
I try not to read comments over there.
Assuming it was Muslims in the beginning made sense because 1) More often than not this kind of thing is Muslims and 2) Some Norwegian Muslim group claimed responsibility (and then a couple hours later retracted their claim). But at this point, anyone still trying to hang this one on the muzzies is just dim.
As for "blaming the tea party" ... I expect that will stick in the MSM (maybe not specifically the US Tea Party, but definitely those right of center). I expect this will be used as one of the justifications for pushing for a new AWB here (although I expect that to fail).
Zundfolge
07-22-2011, 22:30
Never understood why people confuse right wing and nazis/fascism... not even remotely close.
The Left vs Right paradigm was created in post war Britain by the Fabian Socialists in the Labour Party as a means of painting the Tories as "Nazi Light" (In America liberals and Democrats use the same terminology to paint Republicans in the same Nazi light). Its also because the only range of "acceptable" political systems in the Progressive mind are Communists on one end and Fascists (which are a form of Socialists) on the other end.
The terms "Left" and "Right" come from the house of commons ... the Labour Party sat on the left side of the room and the Conservative party on the right.
Yeah he was a Right Wing Extremeists, not a Mentally disturbed person,,, (hear the voices)...
I haven't heard anything about him making demands or siting any specific reason/s for his actions. It seems like this was a failed attempt at political change.
The Left vs Right paradigm was created in post war Britain by the Fabian Socialists in the Labour Party as a means of painting the Tories as "Nazi Light" (In America liberals and Democrats use the same terminology to paint Republicans in the same Nazi light). Its also because the only range of "acceptable" political systems in the Progressive mind are Communists on one end and Fascists (which are a form of Socialists) on the other end.
The terms "Left" and "Right" come from the house of commons ... the Labour Party sat on the left side of the room and the Conservative party on the right.
It goes back to the French Revolution, where the seating in the chamber was arranged in a horseshoe or semi-circle, with the officer presiding over the chamber sitting in the middle. The radicals sat to his left, the monarchists to his right.
In the UK, if you're sat in the speaker's chair, the party in government sits on the right (regardless of flavor) and the party in opposition on the left.
Zundfolge
07-23-2011, 11:18
Interesting ... I hadn't heard the French explanation of right v left, but that does make more sense (seeing as how the Brits move around each session).
See ... you learn something new every day :)
Still the Communism = Left & Fascism = Right thing is British in origin.
You guys really need to learn what Authoritarians are.
As for the shooter........ may he get gang raped in jail like Jeffery Dalmer.
I've been hearing that there is a 1,500 page manifesto some where online that was supposedly written by him, along with a 12:20 long video of picture stills with him with guns.
Seems that he was disappointed with the Muslim influence in his country.
You guys really need to learn what Authoritarians are.
As for the shooter........ may he get gang raped in jail like Jeffery Dalmer.
Can it be Nazi's?
[ROFL1]
H.
bellavite1
07-24-2011, 10:09
According to the news (!) he was a Christian fundamentalist trying to start a new crusade.
He was unhappy with the limited involvement of Norway in what he perceived as a war between Christians and Muslims.
He was likely trying to blame Muslims, so that Norway would be forced to take a more active role.
Extremism is dangerous, wherever it comes from...
Heard that a serious sentence in Norway is 21 years?
Guy will be out when he is 54.
I wonder if this will cause people to pause and think?
Saturday June 11 - Day 41 I prayed for the first time in a very long time today. I explained to God that unless he wanted the Marxist-Islamic alliance and certain Islamic Takeover of Europe...he must ensure that the warriors fighting for the preservation of European Christendom prevail.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Article/201107116036361
palepainter
07-24-2011, 13:53
The last time I was in Norway, there were two murders that year. Prior to that, I think there were approx 8 in the past 5 years. This guy has murdered more people in one day than previously on record for 25 years.
He killed a higher percentage of Norway's population than 9/11 killed Americans.
Can it be Nazi's?
[ROFL1]
H.
Nazi's were authoritarians, just like the communists and fascists are too. To some extent extreme right wingers are authoritarians too. I am not referring to Ron Paul types, they are quite the opposite. To understand how all those types of horrible govs came to power, you must first understand the authoritarian followers and their amoral leaders. What drives either side and triggers them to follow bad ideas off a cliff is the lesson to be learned. Not right or left garbage. I can understand why some right wingers say Obama rose to power like Hitler. But the correlations stop there. I personally don't like him. But for reasons many of you don't include.
Heard that a serious sentence in Norway is 21 years?
Guy will be out when he is 54.
The theoretical maximum sentence in Norway is 21 years apparently, but they do have a system in place where they can detain someone deemed sane indefinitely as a danger to the public. Most Norwegians I've seen commenting on this think this guy is very unlikely to ever be released.
He's not insane though. I guess that won't stop the government or a court from just saying that he is though.
He's not insane though. I guess that won't stop the government or a court from just saying that he is though.
No, what I'm saying is that from what I understand, unless you are criminally insane, the maximum sentence you can be given in Norway is normally 21 years.
However, there is some leeway for certain individuals to be judged sane, but the enormity of their crimes allows for them to be detained indefinitely. So even if this guy is judged sane, it seems likely that he's never going to be released.
I knew what you were saying. Seems to me like the government will be able to do whatever it wants in any country.
Zundfolge
07-26-2011, 08:52
Now that his manefesto has been out for a while, its clear to me that he wasn't a "right wing Christian", at least not an any way we would understand that. His "Christian" identity is merely as a cultural one, and not any form of spiritual or religious belief system. I also don't get the "right-wing" charge since he wanted to nationalize business, railed against Capitalism, America and Rupert Murdock.
Here's an interesting post on what he really believed:
http://www.soopermexican.com/2011/07/25/oslo-terrorist-was-he-a-christian-conservative/
Heard that a serious sentence in Norway is 21 years?
Guy will be out when he is 54.
If I were the father of one of those kids, that asshole would never make it through the front gate of a prison[AR15]
No, what I'm saying is that from what I understand, unless you are criminally insane, the maximum sentence you can be given in Norway is normally 21 years.
However, there is some leeway for certain individuals to be judged sane, but the enormity of their crimes allows for them to be detained indefinitely. So even if this guy is judged sane, it seems likely that he's never going to be released.
When he should be fed into a wood chipper feet first, very slowly.[Rant1]
I realize the whole "due process" thing has to be followed, but the brigand/pirate/vigilante portion of my psyche cries out for blood. I find it unlikely that this cretin acted alone, so perhaps before his date with the wood chipper, he should be vigorously interrogated, Mossad style.
bellavite1
07-26-2011, 11:07
My cousins have gone from being the meanest, toughest, bastards to sail the seas to a country of no death penalty, terrible gun laws, and beer at $10 a pint. I blame it on Christianity. When we were pagans Vikings had Ireland, Scotland, a part of England, Normandy, Moscow, and were the bodyguards of the Byzantine emperor. Damn.
I rest my case...[Muaha]
What do you guys know about the party in power that he acted against? Besides what Hannu has already said.
Uberjager
07-26-2011, 21:08
Just based on the preliminary news reports, it has many of the earmarks of a politically motivated domestic terrorist attack. My number one question is where did the high yield explosives come from. Number two question is where the money for the attacks come from. Answer those two questions, and you'll figure out all the rest.
He was fairly wealthy, having around 4 million Krone in bank accounts at one time, which is roughly $750,000. He started a farming company, and bought 6 tons of fertilizer chemicals.
Armaments?
What did he have?
Where did he get them?
Norway is damn tight on guns. Read he had an assault rifle...so maybe an HK or an M16? Ammo only available in hunting calibers so...308?
From what I read it was a Glock 19 and a Mini 14. But I think he had more than just that alone.
mcantar18c
07-26-2011, 23:16
Sure, its terrible that it happened and the things I'd do to the guy for shooting up a kids camp would make Guantanamo detainees think they've got it good.
But you know what the most fucked up thing about this is? I'm so damn jaded that the fact this happened doesn't anger me, the numbers of innocents dead doesn't surprise me, and the pictures of the memorials brings no emotion out of me. Every day in the news there's something about "X number of people died in attacks on X" that I'm just desensitized to it... I can't be the only one that feels this way. Our world is one fucked up place.
I get philosophical when I drink.
If a Mexican citizen conducted a similar attack on the children of the major drug cartels in their town, would you feel any differently toward the event?
Just curious.
mcantar18c
07-26-2011, 23:40
If a Mexican citizen conducted a similar attack on the children of the major drug cartels in their town, would you feel any differently toward the event?
Just curious.
Probably not. How fucked up is that?
Don't get me wrong... if someone raises a hand to a female or yells at a child out of anger, I'll step in (and have). But the things we hear about in the news... its just become so commonplace that it doesn't hit home anymore.
Don't get me wrong... if someone raises a hand to a female or yells at a child out of anger, I'll step in (and have).
[Roll1] Yell at a child in anger? Give me a break.
If a Mexican citizen conducted a similar attack on the children of the major drug cartels in their town, would you feel any differently toward the event?
Just curious.
Sadly I know the Mexican cartels have done just that. I guess the horrible thing for Norway is the assumption it could not happen there and not by one of their own.
I'm reading the article posted in here earlier, and at least it can be said that this guy has some great vocabulary.
"I believe that in order to strengthen the resolve, morale and motivation prior to a martyrdom operation, the Justiciar Knight should be encouraged to embrace and take advantage of a significant reward system designed to increase focus and remove any last doubts."
mcantar18c
07-27-2011, 00:18
[Roll1] Yell at a child in anger? Give me a break.
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WellHungSmurf
07-27-2011, 00:37
I think he was saying children are a handful. Sometimes you must law down the law
mcantar18c
07-27-2011, 00:49
I think he was saying children are a handful. Sometimes you must law down the law
Oh I know. You need to be firm and forceful at times. But you must also keep your composure. Getting angry gets you nowhere and sets a bad example for the kid.
Nothing like some stranger coming along, trying to fight you to set a better example.
mcantar18c
07-27-2011, 01:28
Who said anything about fighting with anybody?
I've seen someone screaming at her kid for asking if he can have ___ (whatever it was he wanted) at the grocery store. I just said "Hey lady, it might work better if you take a deep breath or two and cool off a bit" and left it at that.
If a Mexican citizen conducted a similar attack on the children of the major drug cartels in their town, would you feel any differently toward the event?
Just curious.
Wow, seriously?
This is nothing at all like that. This was a camp for kids who wanted to get involved in politics. It's the fucking 9/12 project. Not a goddamn camp for cartel children. And even if it was, who the hell says those kids would want to be there?
If you seriously mean that statement, then you are no better than that two faced shithead Glenn Beck.
I dunno. I was raised as an old school gentleman/warrior. Women and children (as long as they're noncombatants) are sacrosanct. As are hospitals and houses of worship. Terrorists that victimize civilians and then try to claim the protections of the conventions of war are NOT "holy warriors", not soldiers, not deserving of respect. They are nothing more than criminals, murderers, and thugs. The lawyer for this joker is now claiming that he is probably insane. My question is: Why should this matter? It's obvious that no SANE individual would have perpetrated these crimes. He's still guilty of 90+ counts of premeditated murder in cold blood. I stand by the previous statement concerning feeding him feet first into a wood chipper, after a Mossad style interview...
I get seriously annoyed by the concept of Not Guilty by reason of Insanity, as if that excuses an atrocity like this. Perhaps we need to consider a verdict of Guilty AND Insane as a possible outcome for a trial.
Zundfolge
07-27-2011, 09:40
They keep calling it a "children's summer camp" but the reality is it was more of a political retreat for young adults.
That in no way justifies the shooting, but to call them children at camp is a little dishonest.
Byte Stryke
07-27-2011, 10:21
They keep calling it a "children's summer camp" but the reality is it was more of a political retreat for young adults.
That in no way justifies the shooting, but to call them children at camp is a little dishonest.
one was 10 years old...
granted that's not all of them but,I would say Kids were there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/23/oslo-bombing-child-pleads-with-norway-shooter_n_907796.html
The Telegraph points out (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8655175/Oslo-explosion-live-coverage.html) an eyewitness account of Friday's Norway shooting, (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/22/utoya-norway-shooting-terror_n_907069.html) in which a 10-year-old boy told the gunman, "now you've killed my dad. Let us alone."
and for the people that are all-trusting of Policemen (ie the recent APD incident)
Al Jazeera also reports (http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/Norway) that an 18-year-old eyewitness to the killings on Utoya island in Norway (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/22/utoya-norway-shooting-terror_n_907069.html) said the gunman, who was dressed as a police officer, tricked victims into thinking he was there to help them.
Wow, seriously?
This is nothing at all like that. This was a camp for kids who wanted to get involved in politics. It's the fucking 9/12 project. Not a goddamn camp for cartel children. And even if it was, who the hell says those kids would want to be there?
If you seriously mean that statement, then you are no better than that two faced shithead Glenn Beck.
I was just asking. I don't know anything about the people he targeted. I'm under the impression that he attacked a camp that was full of the kids of people who are involved in politics over there.
What is the 9/12 project?
I was just asking. I don't know anything about the people he targeted. I'm under the impression that he attacked a camp that was full of the kids of people who are involved in politics over there.
What is the 9/12 project?
The 9/12 project is the same thing as this, but by Glenn Beck.
Sorry. The way I read it this morning, it sounded like you were trying to make a direct comparison.
mcantar18c
07-27-2011, 22:19
I was just asking. I don't know anything about the people he targeted. I'm under the impression that he attacked a camp that was full of the kids of people who are involved in politics over there.
What is the 9/12 project?
If you look at his Manifesto and the people he targeted, its actually surprising. He had an impressive understanding of things and he managed to take out all of his "priority" targets.
In short, his reasoning is impressive, he just chose the wrong way to act upon it.
+1, what's the 9/12 project?
Who said anything about fighting with anybody?
I've seen someone screaming at her kid for asking if he can have ___ (whatever it was he wanted) at the grocery store. I just said "Hey lady, it might work better if you take a deep breath or two and cool off a bit" and left it at that.
What a stand up guy you are. I'm sure you improved everyone's lives that day. Did you get a medal for butting in like that?
Did your mom ever yell at you? If some jackass came walking along while your father was yelling at you, and told your dad to "cool off a bit." I bet your dad would have knocked his teeth out.
I don't know why what you said bothered me so much, but it did. It's not even a big deal.
If you look at his Manifesto and the people he targeted, its actually surprising. He had an impressive understanding of things and he managed to take out all of his "priority" targets.
In short, his reasoning is impressive, he just chose the wrong way to act upon it.
+1, what's the 9/12 project?
Yeah, I was reading that article that was posted on here earlier. It is pretty irritating that he is made out to be some right wing terrorist, when it seems to be exactly the opposite. I'm sorry I snapped at you earlier.
Ooooooon another note, did you guys here that Germany raided something like 20? "right wing extremists" today. They told the media that this in no way had anything to do with the Norway bombing, and that this was the result of an on-going investigation. I don't buy it.
mcantar18c
07-27-2011, 23:45
No offense taken Irving [Beer]. To answer your question, my mother has never done anything but yell, scream, criticize, and bitch at me. Never talked to me, only at me. Her and I have never gotten along for a number of reasons, but the way she communicated with me made it so I never wanted to do anything for her.
My father, on the other hand, has yelled at me twice in my life (I remember both, cause it was so unusual). When he needed to be firm and discipline me, he was and did, but he never yelled. When he wanted me to do something or change something, he reasoned with me and made me understand his reasons for what he was asking of me. I rarely disobeyed him.
I've seen both sides of the coin, and can tell you firsthand which one works the best. It also works best with the kids of a few of my family and friends... when they have trouble with them, they call Uncle Mason because their kids listen to me.
Irving (and whoever), check out these posts from the other forum I frequent. I found them pretty interesting...
(My additions in red)
I've gone thru the threads here and seen a lot of questions asked, I figured on thread pertaining to the reasoning and mindset was better than a half dozen replies.
Why a youth camp? Two fold-
First was to stop further recruitment into the social labour party movement, many of the camp attendees were up and coming socialists. This wasn't a random youth camp, it was the Social Labour parties youth camp. - http://www.channel4.com/news/norways-lost-leaders
Second the ' modern day mother' of that party was speaking at the camp that day. Brundtland departed the camp shortly before he arrived. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658995/Norway-shooting-killer-confirms-Gro-Harlem-Brundtland-was-main-target.html
I don't know who would read all 1500+ pages of the 'manifesto' but skimming the bullet points from pages 38-60 shows he had a excellent understanding of the revisionist history being taught in the west (US and Europe) and threat posed by radical islam.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0BwZX2bK7Uc5dY2ExYzc4YjctMDJlZC00M2QzLTk5NDU tNDhiMDhmMzhkZWQ4&hl=en_US&pli=1
I'm not going to waste my time reading this thing but it's quite easy to extrapolate he viewed those who were allowing the muslimazation (or however he termed) of Norway (and the west) were just as guilty are as the jihadists themselves. I haven't even looked to see if there is a summary towards the bottom.
He also shows a huge hatred of socialism and marxism and it's threat to freedom and liberty.
Aside from the sheer number of people he killed, it's staggering the number of 'priority' targets he killed. Aside from Brundtland, he seems to have gotten all of the rest he had targeted.
Interestingly enough, the first page (of the manifesto) is the Cross of St James. (The Cross of St. James is a big thing on the forum this was posted, and can be seen in my avatar pic here. Its also the basis for my next tattoo. St. James is the Patron St. of Spain, and is known as the "Matimoros" (sp) or "moor-slayer," literally meaning the Slayer of Muslims. I've been thinking about posting a thread about it here as I think yall would enjoyy learning about it. The Cross on the manifesto looks slightly different than mine, however they're both crosses of St. James.)
The problem I have with A.B.B. (the shooter)is that while his analysis of many of the causal factors to the "decay of western civilization" were absolutely spot-on, his solution strategy is flawed.
In order to have the intimidation factor over an elongated period, he needed at least 4 things:
- A much higher body count
- A greater quality of targets destroyed
- More meaningful collateral impacts (e.g. economic)
- An ability to present a sustained threat to the other side
Islamists have been able to sustain both physical and economic impacts. The West has clung to multi-cultural idealism and labeled Islam the "Religion of Peace". While Al Quaeda's ability to strike has been reduced signficantly, and several plots have been thwarted, they retain the ability to strike in a way that can have material impact.
A.B.B. is one and done and is more likely to engender sympathy for the lefties than inspire others to join his cause.
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