Gunwalker and Fast & Furious were nothing...

[Zundfolge]

Apparently the State Department was actually selling military grade weapons to the Zetas (Mexican Narco-Terrorists).

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/worse-than-gunwalker-state-dept-allegedly-sold-guns-to-zetas/

[Shock]


Keep in mind that Los Zetas are allied with Hezbollah in Mexico.

[Irving]

Government needs a hard reset. Will never happen though.

[Byte Stryke]

Government needs a hard reset. Will never happen though.

very +1


what in the fuck, Over...


Both the state Dept are selling Mil-spec guns to the Zetas while trying to Disarm their own citizens. Using our Tax dollars to fund these projects while unemployment skyrockets.


But in other news (http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OKSV380.htm), the unemployment rate in CO fell to 8.5% as more people LEFT THE STATE to find work.
[Rant1]

[sniper7]

BATFE needs to be shutdown. absolute bullshit.[Mad]

[BREATHER]

If one American citizen is killed by one of these weapons, the "public servants" involved should be treated as traitors. And dealt with accordingly. This country has put to death spies that had done alot less.

[Jumpstart]

BATFE needs to be shutdown. absolute bullshit.[Mad]

I concur. When They aren't doing stuff like this, they are busy trying to figure out to screw Americans out of the 2nd AMendment rights, or at least totally disregarding them in their departmental pursuit for power.

Let Homeland Security absorb them, then downsize them and cut their budget by half. At least.

[SuperiorDG]

very +1


what in the fuck, Over...


Both the state Dept are selling Mil-spec guns to the Zetas while trying to Disarm their own citizens. Using our Tax dollars to fund these projects while unemployment skyrockets.


But in other news (http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OKSV380.htm), the unemployment rate in CO fell to 8.5% as more people LEFT THE STATE to find work.
[Rant1]

Corrected

[Mazin]

Well hell fellas you didn't expect them to use civi grade guns now did you? Just un f*****g real. Hard reset, house cleaning, whatever you wanna call it something has got to be done.[Rant1][Bang]

[Byte Stryke]

Corrected
Fixed original, I get mad and miss keys sometimes.

:D

[Irving]

This article didn't have anything to do with the ATF. Not that what you guys said wasn't true.

[Milt]

The 'hard reset' is inevitable and will be of the government's own making. Even if the 'jobless recovery' should miraculously become a real recovery, the inevitable interest rate increases that will occur after the Federal Reserve runs out of artificial rate-depression tricks will rapidly turn the $14 trillion plus deficit into an economic dead weight larger than the current budget. The prime rate was a little over 17% as recently as 1980 - do the math at a mere 5%. They will then either openly default (not likely) or resort to massive 'quantitative easing' (hyper-inflation) to 'pay' the interest. Either of those options shuts down the economy and the government. Hopefully the survivors of that mess will have better sense than to go down that road again.

What really needs to happen is for a sufficient percentage of the population (not a majority, but rather an armed and determined minority) to disabuse themselves of the notion that some people have the 'right' or authority to tell others how to live. Until the ideal of self-ownership suggested in the Declaration of Independence becomes society's guiding principle, we are doomed to repeated collapse cycles - natural law will eventually reassert itself no matter how vigorous a society's denial of reality.

[Ronin13]

Everyone keeps talking about a hard reset, but I think I'm correct in saying not a single one of you will take those necessary first steps in actually DOING it. I know I don't want to go to jail for inciting a revolution- especially if it fails, then I'll be hanged, shot, injected and beheaded... but if that sliver of success looms my way I could be seen as the next Washington or Jefferson. Walk the talk, somebody... please!

[Byte Stryke]

Everyone keeps talking about a hard reset, but I think I'm correct in saying not a single one of you will take those necessary first steps in actually DOING it. I know I don't want to go to jail for inciting a revolution- especially if it fails, then I'll be hanged, shot, injected and beheaded... but if that sliver of success looms my way I could be seen as the next Washington or Jefferson. Walk the talk, somebody... please!


funny thing that "hard reset" everyone speaks of.

If a violent revolt succeeds its patriotism.

If it fails, its terrorism and you get hung out.

[Ronin13]

funny thing that "hard reset" everyone speaks of.

If a violent revolt succeeds its patriotism.

If it fails, its terrorism and you get hung out.

Right!? That's what's so screwed up. And the sheeple would be much too blind to see if the failed revolt happens. They'd call it "homegrown terrorism," and go on about their daily lives not actually listening to the call for defending freedom.

[hollohas]

If one American citizen is killed by one of these weapons, the "public servants" involved should be treated as traitors. And dealt with accordingly. This country has put to death spies that had done alot less.

Have you been under a rock? Kidding, but really, at least one has been killed already and that's how this scandal broke...

The full detailed story - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/23/eveningnews/main20035609.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody


December 14, 2010. The place: a dangerous smuggling route in Arizona not far from the border. A special tactical border squad was on patrol when gunfire broke out and agent Brian Terry was killed.

The assault rifles found at the murder were traced back to a U.S. gun shop. Where they came from and how they got there is a scandal so large, some insiders say it surpasses the shoot-out at Ruby Ridge and the deadly siege at Waco.


In late 2009, ATF was alerted to suspicious buys at seven gun shops in the Phoenix area. Suspicious because the buyers paid cash, sometimes brought in paper bags. And they purchased classic "weapons of choice" used by Mexican drug traffickers - semi-automatic versions of military type rifles and pistols.

Sources tell CBS News several gun shops wanted to stop the questionable sales, but ATF encouraged them to continue.

Jaime Avila was one of the suspicious buyers. ATF put him in its suspect database in January of 2010. For the next year, ATF watched as Avila and other suspects bought huge quantities of weapons supposedly for "personal use." They included 575 AK-47 type semi-automatic rifles.


Then, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was murdered. The serial numbers on the two assault rifles found at the scene matched two rifles ATF watched Jaime Avila buy in Phoenix nearly a year before. Officials won't answer whether the bullet that killed Terry came from one of those rifles. But the nightmare had come true: "walked" guns turned up at a federal agent's murder.

Edit: Added link to Congress report. http://oversight.house.gov/images/stories/Reports/ATF_Report.pdf

[Zundfolge]

Have you been under a rock? Kidding, but really, at least one has been killed already and that's how this scandal broke...
I think he was referring to the military weapons sold to the Zetas by the State Dept., not the civilian weapons sold to other Mexican gangs by the ATF.

[nynco]

I think the Obama administration is wrong for doing this. I hope that those who did this will be brought to justice.

[Irving]

Everyone keeps talking about a hard reset, but I think I'm correct in saying not a single one of you will take those necessary first steps in actually DOING it. I know I don't want to go to jail for inciting a revolution- especially if it fails, then I'll be hanged, shot, injected and beheaded... but if that sliver of success looms my way I could be seen as the next Washington or Jefferson. Walk the talk, somebody... please!

I can provide you with a list of members who are exactly of who you are talking about.

[Byte Stryke]

I can provide you with a list of members who are exactly of who you are talking about.


I always knew you were dangerous...
you and Ginsue

[Irving]

I meant collaborators by the way, not revolutionists. I don't know any of those guys.

[hollohas]

I think he was referring to the military weapons sold to the Zetas by the State Dept., not the civilian weapons sold to other Mexican gangs by the ATF.

Ah, touche. But does it really matter if the guns came from gun stores or military warehouses? They facilitated both. There are indications that the straw purchasers were using at least some money given by the US too...

This whole thing has me red in the face. How is this not more of a media focus? Just a minute or two of coverage here and there. 50% of the media coverage should be on this...this is an enormous scandal of epic proportions and seems it may go all the way to the top. And I don't just say that because it involves guns, but because it involves hundreds if not thousands of lives. Maybe only one or two US agents killed with these guns but thousands have been killed in Mexico likely by these guns. And the worst part is they used this to fabricate a story and a path to infringe upon or constitutional rights.

How many cartels have been squashed after they tracked these guns they fed them? None I'm guessing. Leads me to believe they weren't doing it to track the guns at all, but for only one reason...to create outrage on an international scale that would open the door for more gun control in the USA.

If they hadn't been caught, they would have used this to push much worse measures on gun control than simply reporting multiple long gun purchases...which is bad enough they are doing that shit even after they were outed as fabricating the whole thing.

Watergate and Monica Lewinsky ain't got shit on this scandal. Every Capitol Hill hearing regarding this issue should have live news coverage. Every person that stalls, lies, covers up, stonewalls, singed off, turned a blind eye or otherwise allowed this to happen should have criminal charges brought against them. Every agency that stonewalls or covers up one shred of evidence should be cleaned out.

This is BS and you can bet it will get swept under the rug before everyone involved gets outed and not one person will go to jail.

[TFOGGER]

It's pretty bad when you need a score card to keep track of which US government agency is trafficking guns to which criminal gang in what country...


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