SBR HK's ?

[7idl]

Ok, how much is it gonna cost me for a 9mm MP5/94? of course I want the SBR..... :twisted:

so should I get the 16" and get it cut down later (can it be done?)?

or just go with the SBR up front?

I like the sheet metal receivers of HK, the solid clone types I think sux.

advice?

tnx [pirate]

[MPfiveengineer]

I like the sheet metal receivers of HK, the solid clone types I think sux.


Bobcat clones have stamped receivers like an HK. My gun you shot last weekend is a Bobcat that I put HK parts in once it was an SBR and 922(r) no longer applied.

Bobcat's and Vector's start at about $1500. You can get a Bobcat with a fake silencer pinned on it and then take it off once you SBR it and it will come with the paddle mag release and 3 lug barrel (this is what I did). Vectors come in a pistol form and you just add a stock to it when you SBR it. I love my Bobcat but it did not run 100% out of the box. To solve this most people put about $120 worth if German parts in them (I have a lot more than that in mine). I have heard the same thing about the Vectors but I have not shot their 9mm.

The other option is to get an HK94 and SBR it and have a paddle mag release installed. This option will run you about $2600 for the gun and about $1100 for the conversion.

[KarlPMann]

once it was an SBR and 922(r) no longer applied.


Ummm, I don't think you and BATFE see eye to eye on that matter. You may want to do some research before you post this on the internet. And I don't mean asking some jail house internet wannabe lawyer. Karl.

[7idl]

very interesting :cool:

any favorite links/sources ?

[MPfiveengineer]

Ummm, I don't think you and BATFE see eye to eye on that matter. You may want to do some research before you post this on the internet.

You are the first person who I have heard raise a flag to this. I am farily certian that import parts count does not matter on an SBR, but it does not matter anyway since I did a count and I am still under the limit.

7idl, here are your links

http://www.bobcatweapons.com/html_pages/bw5fspro.html

http://www.vectorarms.com/indexframe.html
Looks like Vector is sold out right now. There are some WTB adds for V94's on HKPro.com offering more than the retail price vector was asking for them.

[rtr]

I bought an HK 94 for about 2400, then had an MP5 barrel installed (POF not HK), paddle mag release, and replaced the lower with a plastic one, total labor and parts on the conversion were about $1200 from Investment Grade Firearms. I still have the metal lower if you want to buy it lemme know. Gun runs like a top.

[7idl]

whats the difference between the plastic and metal lowers? (outside of materials!) [poke]

[MPfiveengineer]

once it was an SBR and 922(r) no longer applied.


Ummm, I don't think you and BATFE see eye to eye on that matter. You may want to do some research before you post this on the internet. And I don't mean asking some jail house internet wannabe lawyer. Karl.


From the desk of

Edward M. Owen, Jr.
Chief, Firearms Technology Branch


DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
Washington, D.C. 20226

MAR 22, 1994

LE:F:FE:RLB
3312.5

Mr XXX
Address
City, State

Dear Mr. XXX:

This refers to your letter of February 28, 1994, in which you
inquire as to whether the making of certain National Firearm Act
(NFA) weapons is prohibited by Title 18 United States Code
(U.S.C.), Chapter 44, Section 922(r). The weapon in question is a
FN/FAL type firearm having a barrel length of less than 16 inches
which is assembled from an imported British L1A1 parts kit and a
domestically manufactured frame or receiver.

Title 18 U.S.C., Chapter 44, Section 922(r) provides that it shall
be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any
semiautomatic rifle or shotgun which is identical to any rifle or
shotgun prohibited from importation under 18 U.S.C., Chapter 44,
Section 925(d)(3), as not being particularly suitable for or
readily adaptable to sporting purposes.

However, the Bureau has previously determined that the lawful
making of an NFA weapon would not violate Section 922(r), since the
section only addresses the assembly of "nonsporting" firearms, and
not the making of NFA weapons. Therefore, the lawful making of a
short barreled rifle would not be precluded by Section 922(r).

If you decide to proceed with your project, it will be necessary
for you to obtain prior approval by first submitting an ATF Form 1
(Application To Make and Register a Firearm) and paying the
appropriate $200 making tax. Additional information relative to
this procedure may be obtained from the following source:

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
NFA Branch, Room 5300
650 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington DC 20026

We trust that the foregoing was responsive to your inquiry. If we
may be of any further assistance, please contact us.

Sincerely yours,
[signed]
Edward M. Owen, Jr.
Chief, Firearms Technology Branch

[rtr]

whats the difference between the plastic and metal lowers? (outside of materials!)

I don't think there is any functional difference, the plastic ones have to be modified some to fit on an HK 94. The difference is mostly looks I believe. There are at least two different plastic lowers I have whats known as an SEF lower, meaning it is market for Safe, Auto, and Single shot, there are "Navy" lowers that are marked for Safe, Auto, Burst, and Single Shot, but they require a different trigger group.

Best place for HK info is www.hkpro.com, or contact one of the HK gunsmiths like Jason at Investment Grade Firearms http://www.investmentgradefirearms.com/

[7idl]

I saw a speshul weapons version today at Green Mountain... $1495 (~)

soon as I saw speshul weapons, I said "no thanks!"

[7idl]

well I can forget about a SBR for a while....



....I just wrote a $1800.00 check for earnest money [ohno]

[bluker1]

well I can forget about a SBR for a while....



....I just wrote a $1800.00 check for earnest money [ohno]

I would buy one of the ca doj 94's with a bad finish since you get it cheaper, send it to S&H and have it SBR'd, paddle released and refinished. I just did one for me so that now I have an Urbach PDW, S&H MP5A2, and Vector V53 as host guns for my Flemming sear.

alan

[7idl]

I may be revisiting this option... tax returns coming in :D

[PhL0aTeR]

I saw a speshul weapons version today at Green Mountain... $1495 (~)

soon as I saw speshul weapons, I said "no thanks!"

just out of curiousity, whats wront with Special Weapons? I had an SW5 for about a year and a half and had a blast with it.

[KarlPMann]

SW has a very long and well known reputation. It's all bad. There are probably a thousand links to gun boards discussing the lowlife that owns the comepnay and how he ripped of people for thousands of dollars. The wepaons he has made over the years, manufactured under numerous names, have all had real bad problems overall. The latest were marketed by Vector I believe and they stood behind them and always made things right. Most people simply wont trust that name because they don't know if they're mgoing to get a good gun or not. One thing is guaranteed, if you don't get it from Vector, you will lose your money. Karl.

[PhL0aTeR]

hmmmm as unfortunate as that is..... i had good luck with mine..... of course i replaced ALOT of the parts in mine, namely the addition of a navy lower :cool:

perhaps that had something to do with it....