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flan7211
07-27-2011, 09:19
Three days ago I'm in my doctor's office. I have no health insurance so I'm paying cash my $85 so the doc can prescribe me some antibiotics for the clap, I mean cough I have. Standing in front of me are two Hispanic ladies. They could have been blue for all I care, but they each are holding 2 kids with 3 on the ground and one of them is pregnant. They are getting checked for what seems to be sniffles and coughs, cool. When the finance lady asks for a photo id the prego says, "I'm undocumented." The finance winch then says "are you signed up with Colorado Indigent Health Services?" I've never heard of that one before. Do you know how much she paid? 6 freaking dollars!!!! There is something very freaking wrong when an illegal alien whose popping kiddo's out left and right gets subsidized health care [Rant1]. Have any of you actually heard of that program? I think that's what it was called.
rockhound
07-27-2011, 09:21
oh color me surprised.
sick of this crap
7500 a year for my families health insurance
UberTong
07-27-2011, 09:21
Makes perfect fucking sense...[NoClue]
n8tive97
07-27-2011, 09:24
Never heard of it... So we DO have socialized health care?
hollohas
07-27-2011, 09:25
Fucking BS.
Byte Stryke
07-27-2011, 09:28
She's abusing a system design for the homeless and impoverished to get necessary health care.
therein again I say we start gathering them up and sending them home
its bullshit that this country IS BROKE and we still have leeches sucking the last few ounces out.
rockhound
07-27-2011, 09:29
Never heard of it... So we DO have socialized health care?
if you are an illegal alien you can get free health care everywhere
go down to denver general on any given day. they give their services away to illegals all day long.
Yep welcome to New America!
And it's only gonna get worse...
Here's a good story:
The wife and I went down to apply for financial aid so my wife could go back to school. After the "testing" the financial advisor says we make too much money and my wife would have to be a single mother to get approved for anything. Ok whatever! Then there's this illegal alien in the same room and i heard her advisor say she was approved for $3500 a semester but needed to see CO ID. Then the illegal says she has no documentation as she just got here...her advisor says, "okay we'll deal with that later, here's your first check". WTF. Oh and this lady was early-mid 40's so I would guess she's using "school" money to buy other shit or send home. I really can't stand it anymore....it's never about us it's always about them now:(
n8tive97
07-27-2011, 09:37
Yep welcome to New America!
And it's only gonna get worse...
I just don't get it, I understand it, but don’t get it! Why are all of these people coming to America either legally or illegally?
Because it is a hell of allot better than where they come from!
So why change it to what you had? Leave it alone, speak english, get a cad and get a job or go back to your own country!
If you are out of work or make very little money (25K a year?) you can qualify for that program. OP.... there is no shame in getting healthcare for yourself. As to the woman you were talking about. Yeah it sucks...... but the only way to fix that is to amend the constitution. So get workin on that. I'll be sure to add my own ideas for fixes too ;)
flan7211
07-27-2011, 09:45
If you are out of work or make very little money (25K a year?) you can qualify for that program. OP.... there is no shame in getting healthcare for yourself. As to the woman you were talking about. Yeah it sucks...... but the only way to fix that is to amend the constitution. So get workin on that. I'll be sure to add my own ideas for fixes too ;)
I've been doing research the last two days on subsidized health care. I wish I did qualify as I make very little money right now. I don't qualify, you either have to be homeless or a very poor woman with children. Males with a job need not apply. Total BS[Rant1]
I just don't get it, I understand it, but don’t get it! Why are all of these people coming to America either legally or illegally?
Because it is a hell of allot better than where they come from!
So why change it to what you had? Leave it alone, speak english, get a cad and get a job or go back to your own country!
I've been doing research the last two days on subsidized health care. I wish I did qualify as I make very little money right now. I don't qualify, you either have to be homeless or a very poor woman with children. Males with a job need not apply. Total BS[Rant1]
Agree with all of the above!
funkfool
07-27-2011, 10:16
Website says the following:
The Colorado Indigent Care Program (CICP) provides funding to clinics and hospitals so that medical services can be provided at a discount to Colorado residents that meet the eligibility requirements for the CICP. However, the CICP is not a health insurance program.
Eligibility Requirements
To be eligible for discounted services under the CICP, an applicant must meet the following requirements:
1. Must be a Colorado resident or migrant farm worker and a U.S. citizen or legal immigrant;
2. Must have income and resources combined at or below 250% of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL); and
3. Cannot be eligible for the Medicaid Program or Child Health Plan Plus (CHP+).
How can a person apply for this program?
Applications must be completed by a clinic or hospital that is participating in the CICP. The applicant or responsible party must sign the application within 90 days of the date of service.
http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/HCPF/HCPF/1214299805914
I've been doing research the last two days on subsidized health care. I wish I did qualify as I make very little money right now. I don't qualify, you either have to be homeless or a very poor woman with children. Males with a job need not apply. Total BS[Rant1]
Apply anyway... go down to Denver General and talk to a counselor. You'd be surprised. But yeah if you are not poor its hard. You don't need to be homeless. I know a few people who got it. One who was a contractor before but his liver is failing so he can barely work. Still has a house still earns a paycheck but if not for roommates he would be fucked.
Federal Poverty level for a single person.... $10,890 x 2.5 = $27225
flan7211
07-27-2011, 10:24
1. Must be a Colorado resident or migrant farm worker and a U.S. citizen or legal immigrant;
I wonder if hubby was legal immigrant. If he is than maybe she can get coverage.
Byte Stryke
07-27-2011, 10:35
I just don't get it, I understand it, but don’t get it! Why are all of these people coming to America either legally or illegally?
Because it is a hell of allot better than where they come from!
So why change it to what you had? Leave it alone, speak english, get a cad and get a job or go back to your own country!
Agree with all of the above!
Well, I Cant speak for everyone when I Say Go Fuck Yourself, But I Do speak for myself.
I Fully endorse legal immigration. That shit isn't easy. It offers no handouts. Not even a food stamp. Not eligible.
My Wife immigrated here from the rich and wonderfully prosperous country of the Philippines.( Because you know 60% unemployment is so much better.) I met her while stationed in Kuwait where she was making a whopping 240 bucks a month. We married and now she is here working at a gas station on her feet for 40+ hours a week at $8/hr. The woman has worked the entire time I've known her.
Most legal immigrants have better work ethics than the entitlement Generation citizens I know.
I wonder if hubby was legal immigrant. If he is than maybe she can get coverage.
Actually here is how she skirted the system. Child born in the US is a US citizen. She is the childs legal guardian. Which makes her a resident of this state. Citizenship is not required to be a resident.
Fix the 14th.
P.S. I agree with Byte Strike.
n8tive97
07-27-2011, 10:51
Don't get me wrong, I agree with legal immigartion and thats the way it should work.
I was simply trying to make the point, they left their country for a reason. I am sure it was to better their lives, more so than in their own country. It's what we stand for.
Well, I Cant speak for everyone when I Say Go Fuck Yourself, But I Do speak for myself.
I Fully endorse legal immigration. That shit isn't easy. It offers no handouts. Not even a food stamp. Not eligible.
My Wife immigrated here from the rich and wonderfully prosperous country of the Philippines.( Because you know 60% unemployment is so much better.) I met her while stationed in Kuwait where she was making a whopping 240 bucks a month. We married and now she is here working at a gas station on her feet for 40+ hours a week at $8/hr. The woman has worked the entire time I've known her.
Most legal immigrants have better work ethics than the entitlement Generation citizens I know.
n8tive97
07-27-2011, 10:53
Well, I Cant speak for everyone when I Say Go Fuck Yourself, But I Do speak for myself.
I Fully endorse legal immigration. That shit isn't easy. It offers no handouts. Not even a food stamp. Not eligible.
My Wife immigrated here from the rich and wonderfully prosperous country of the Philippines.( Because you know 60% unemployment is so much better.) I met her while stationed in Kuwait where she was making a whopping 240 bucks a month. We married and now she is here working at a gas station on her feet for 40+ hours a week at $8/hr. The woman has worked the entire time I've known her.
Most legal immigrants have better work ethics than the entitlement Generation citizens I know.
Oh ya, and no offense taken for telling me to go fuck myself. I am sure you just missed my second sentence....
Byte Stryke
07-27-2011, 11:01
Oh ya, and no offense taken for telling me to go fuck myself. I am sure you just missed my second sentence....
I just don't get it, I understand it, but don’t get it! Why are all of these people coming to America either legally or illegally?
Because it is a hell of allot better than where they come from!
So why change it to what you had? Leave it alone, speak English, get a cad? and get a job or go back to your own country!
to be honest it makes little sense other than you are totally against any sort of immigration at all
I Agree on the illegal part... its a matter of law and principle.
I Agree on the English part, but considering most Americans speak, read and write at a 6th grade level or lower, cannot really enforce it.
No Clue about the cad thing... is that car, card, can?
Well, I Cant speak for everyone when I Say Go Fuck Yourself, But I Do speak for myself.
Guy I got a head of myself when I said I agree with the previous statements. I'm fine with immigration as long as it is legally done the right way.
Sure hope we can remain friends[Tooth]
ETA:
Guy your wife is awesome and fun to go shooting with[Beer]
n8tive97
07-27-2011, 11:09
to be honest it makes little sense other than you are totally against any sort of immigration at all
I Agree on the illegal part... its a matter of law and principle.
I Agree on the English part, but considering most Americans speak, read and write at a 6th grade level or lower, cannot really enforce it.
No Clue about the cad thing... is that car, card, can?
Card (6th grade level)
Love legal immigration and fully support it, (take that out of my original comment, that's not what I meant). Simply stating, that immigrants are here to better their lives, more so than in their own country. That's all.
For example, I lived in Texas for 11 years, I moved to Colorado to better my life and to better provide for my family.
Point I was making, I left one place to move to another, to better my life.
Well, I Cant speak for everyone when I Say Go Fuck Yourself, But I Do speak for myself.
I Fully endorse legal immigration. That shit isn't easy. It offers no handouts. Not even a food stamp. Not eligible.
My Wife immigrated here from the rich and wonderfully prosperous country of the Philippines.( Because you know 60% unemployment is so much better.) I met her while stationed in Kuwait where she was making a whopping 240 bucks a month. We married and now she is here working at a gas station on her feet for 40+ hours a week at $8/hr. The woman has worked the entire time I've known her.
Most legal immigrants have better work ethics than the entitlement Generation citizens I know.
Agreed, I fully support LEGAL immigration, do it the right fucking way. When they come here and have their fucking anchor babies and then get automatic resident status, and can get all the fucking handouts from the State... ON MY DIME! I get furious. When the system fails, and I assure you it will, I will not participate but I will fully support the execution of all non-legal immigrants. Keep America AMERICAN! Byte, your wife is prime example of the RIGHT way to do it. It sucks that she works her ass off for such low pay. I know several people who are here legally from Europe and the Pacific rim, and they are just as pissed about all the "undocumented" (bullshit language because what they are is illegal aliens that need to GTFO!), and it's true, they have the work ethic that makes most of the born-citizens look lazy as hell! Get rid of anyone who is not here legally! I don't care how, just make it fucking happen soon! If they have a visa and are working on their citizenship, great! That helps to add one more tax payer.
Side note: I almost lost it when I got into an argument the other day with an illegal who jumped the fence, hitchhiked or bused his way to CO and no just works for under-the-table wages. How I almost lost it? He send all of his money he makes to his wife and NINE FUCKING KIDS back in MEXICO! About 15% of his income goes back into our economy. BULLSHIT! I told him to get the hell out of my country. He fired back with he has as much a right to be here as me.... WHAT!? I about shot him and would have said "Not any more you don't"
I remember a a news story a couple years ago about how the city of Denver deported several illegal immigrants back to Mexico and one of those immigrants tried to get back to Colorado, illegally, and he drowned trying to swim somewhere. The family here in Denver tried to sue Denver for deporting their father causing his death. Don't remember the outcome but shit like this will happen more and more!
I just want to stick a monkey wrench into your rantings......... unless you change the 14th Amendment, if you deport the parents......... well you are just adding more kids to the state welfare and foster care system. It might cost more. Hence the reason no one does anything.
Fix the root rot first.
I just want to stick a monkey wrench into your rantings......... unless you change the 14th Amendment, if you deport the parents......... well you are just adding more kids to the state welfare and foster care system. It might cost more. Hence the reason no one does anything.
Fix the root rot first.
When you pull a weed, you remove the root, and if you can, the seeds as well. Harsh as it sounds, the interpretation of the 14th that makes anchor babies "citizens" needs to be tossed. Mom and Dad aren't here legally? Guess what, the whole f*cking family gets a permanent vacation back to scenic Whereverthefucktheycamefromistan...[Rant2]
ronaldrwl
07-27-2011, 12:14
Self destruct engaged captain. We'll shortly be a prosperous country no more.
The Colorado Indigent Health Services is a system that is abused by many people. I HAD a friend that owned 2 houses and was making 60k a year. He applied for for help with a really large health bill and simply lied about what he owned and made. His bill was paid by CIHS. I called the people over there and told them that I wanted to report an abuse of the system and was told that they didn't care. That they didn't have the time to investigate! [Rant1] With attitudes like that the system will never change!
When you pull a weed, you remove the root, and if you can, the seeds as well. Harsh as it sounds, the interpretation of the 14th that makes anchor babies "citizens" needs to be tossed. Mom and Dad aren't here legally? Guess what, the whole f*cking family gets a permanent vacation back to scenic Whereverthefucktheycamefromistan...[Rant2]
+100!
Change it so that just because you're born here doesn't make you a citizen... if your parents are citizens and then have a child, great! Happens everyday and no one cares.
I'd also make it so that you live and work here you have 5 years to learn English, and that's upon arriving (legally). I even would say take the funding from stupid pointless programs (like eliminate the IRS) and use some of the savings for funding to even have state sponsored English training so we can have a productive workforce, and then we can all be rid of that stupid "Press 2 for Spanish" bullshit. Do you think the Germans have a "Press 2 for French" when you call somewhere? Hell no! Why do we pander to those who come to OUR country but don't abide by OUR way of doing things. And no one better bring up that libtard crap that "America technically doesn't have an official language," because we do, read our Constitution, Road Signs, and Laws! Take out a $1 bill and tell me, besides the "Annuit Coeptis Novus Ordo Seclorum" on the great seal is there anything not in English?
hopefully soon enough Colorado will follow the lead of Vermont and have a state run single payer system in place that covers all their state residents.
Now to add to that, Vermont has some of the most lax regulations on firearms in the nation too.
Flame suit on......[Beer]
The Colorado Indigent Health Services is a system that is abused by many people. I HAD a friend that owned 2 houses and was making 60k a year. He applied for for help with a really large health bill and simply lied about what he owned and made. His bill was paid by CIHS. I called the people over there and told them that I wanted to report an abuse of the system and was told that they didn't care. That they didn't have the time to investigate! [Rant1] With attitudes like that the system will never change!
That's kinda disgusting. As a younger person, I hate all these abuse of programs. I hate watching food stamp folks getting king crab legs to sell or sell the cards outright. (Seen it first hand, not just the usual heresay) The people who "need" this help so often are in that bad situation because of their inability to budget. Happily paying high costs for individually packaged/name brand crap. especially when it comes to drinks.
I out of college got stuck working min wage and still managed to house/feed and afford a $2,000 rifle. Because I'm actually smart w/ my money. Add kids of course that goes out the window. But still, now I'm doing better at like $24k/year and I've got a $30,000 car that I'm comfortably paying off on top of my gun hobby. My biggest gripe is social security because I know 100% that money is gone, it wont be there when I retire.
CICP by the way, is only supposed to be good for a year I was told. I did end up on it during a lapse in health insurance when I had a really bad infection in my knuckle. Because of my income the discount was minor, really mainly cut the ER portion down.
If the guy you are slagging had a bill that cost him so much that he would end up losing his house, why is it a bad thing keeping him in his house paying local taxes rather than forcing him into bankruptcy thus onto Welfare too.
Justsayin...... there are other facets to the issue.
Lex_Luthor
07-27-2011, 13:37
I will fully support the execution of all non-legal immigrants..... WHAT!? I about shot him and would have said "Not any more you don't"
WOW. Even being here illegally doesn't deserve an execution.
If the guy you are slagging had a bill that cost him so much that he would end up losing his house, why is it a bad thing keeping him in his house paying local taxes rather than forcing him into bankruptcy thus onto Welfare too.
Justsayin...... there are other facets to the issue.
[Bang]If... when... what if... all these hypotheticals are getting a little ridiculous. Did the OP say it was a guy with bills that cost more than a house? No, it was a family with a sniffle that was "undocumented" "residents." It's not a poor innocent guy who is a decent tax paying citizen, it's undocumented illegals that are abusing systems that shouldn't apply to them. Broken, in need of fixing. I'm tired of my tax dollars not going to US Citizens but instead to aid illegals who refuse to pay taxes, leech off of our faulty systems, and then commit crimes against us and live off the system. If I had my way I'd say ship 'em home and if they come back shoot on sight. We're bleeding bad here and it seems like no one is stepping up to bandage the wound [that is our porous border].
My assumption is the guy is a US citizen like you and me. We all will get sick someday. People should not loose everything they ever worked for because of illness. It's not right...
As to the illegals issue. Fix the 14th. Just make sure you add that it only applies to LIVING HUMAN citizens too.[Beer]
WOW. Even being here illegally doesn't deserve an execution.
You took two parts of my post out of context. One was "when the system fails" meaning that when we go to the point of anarchy and the process of rebuilding a better and stronger America, IF ultranationalists went around killing those that aren't here legally (before the collapse) I wouldn't be against them. Then I stated how my anger almost- keyword almost- got away from me because some guy claimed he had a RIGHT to be here.... I find that everyone can have a right to be here, but there are systems and channels in place they must follow first, then they can live here all they want, when they're legal US Citizens paying income tax, speaking English, and their money spent is feeding back into our economy.
Lex_Luthor
07-27-2011, 14:58
I understand the frustration around illegal immigration and sending money back home. It's leeching off our economy at every possible point. My mom is a naturalized citizen, as well as my fiance's entire family. They've done it right. I also know some illegals, and I know how hard it is for them to even get the process started. Many of them are saving up for it, and/or have their names on a waiting list already. I know of a few others who are nothing but a detriment to our country and society.
Tweety Bird
07-27-2011, 17:57
Article XIV.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
. . .
That's the first part of the first paragraph of the fourteenth amendment.
I've heard some pretty smart people argue that if someone is here illegally, they aren't necessarily subject to the jurisdiction thereof (simply because they're here illegally and should be deported). Therefore, the 14th doesn't apply.
I'm not an attorney am sure there are smart people on both sides of this issue. But I'm not completely sure the 14th needs to be changed to fix this issue.
Dalendenver
07-27-2011, 18:25
Tweety bird,
Thank you for pointing out the language of the amendment. It was never intended that citizens of another country be given free citizenship, thus the "subject to the jurisdiction there-of" language. If they are a citizen of another country that is who they are subject to the jurisdiction of. The supreme court has never ruled on this so people (liberals) have just assumed that anchor babies are citizens. I don't consider them as such but my opinion is not worth much.
California passed a proposition years ago denying government supported programs from being used for illegals. The SC overturned it. We now see what that has brought to CA, a state in virtual bankruptcy. I have read that 70% of all children born in Los Angeles are to illegal residents.
We don't need to change the 14th amendment, we need to take a case before the supreme court to enforce the language that is in there. Hopefully while we have a conservative majority.
You have a conservative majority today... so why won't they do it? Big business likes cheap labor.
Since Obama was elected, my cost has gone from $4300 to $9400. I can't believe he lied to me. Didn't he say t wouldn't hurt, that our health care costs would go down???
We've got enuf of our own who are out of work or working at low paying jobs. We should give them a helping hand, but continuing to pay for illegals only takes it away from the citizens of this country.
[Rant2]
DSB OUTDOORS
07-27-2011, 19:07
Whats the old saying?? The not so rich get poorer, the poor get richer, the rich stay rich until the not so poor rob from the rich to not give to the poor???? WTFO I'm so confused!!! [Rant1][Bang]
trlcavscout
07-27-2011, 20:02
Three days ago I'm in my doctor's office. I have no health insurance so I'm paying cash my $85 so the doc can prescribe me some antibiotics for the clap, I mean cough I have. Standing in front of me are two Hispanic ladies. They could have been blue for all I care, but they each are holding 2 kids with 3 on the ground and one of them is pregnant. They are getting checked for what seems to be sniffles and coughs, cool. When the finance lady asks for a photo id the prego says, "I'm undocumented." The finance winch then says "are you signed up with Colorado Indigent Health Services?" I've never heard of that one before. Do you know how much she paid? 6 freaking dollars!!!! There is something very freaking wrong when an illegal alien whose popping kiddo's out left and right gets subsidized health care [Rant1]. Have any of you actually heard of that program? I think that's what it was called.
It does your heart good to pay for their health care with your tax dollars and over priced doctors visits dont it [Beer] Just think the somalians get it, the iranians in laporte get it, the iraqis in the fort get it, everyone but the citizens get it, and you get bent over and get it [UZI]
It does your heart good to pay for their health care with your tax dollars and over priced doctors visits dont it [Beer] Just think the somalians get it, the iranians in laporte get it, the iraqis in the fort get it, everyone but the citizens get it, and you get bent over and get it [UZI]
Fort Collins is 99.9999999% white. There are 8 non-honkies up here, and none are Iraqi. I know 2 of them, and they will vouch for the other 6 since they play golf with them on Saturdays [Beer]
...or did you mean another fort?
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