View Full Version : Law I'd enact...
So thinking about it, and I know it would go against certain laws and "rights" but I think this is pretty important since our current system is flawed. Here is what currently happens:
Illegal comes into America, is caught, jailed (at tax payers expense) and deported (again at tax payers expense) and put on a list of not-allowed in. Next time they come in again banned again for 10 years. They can keep on trying and keep getting jailed at cost to you and me.
My proposal:
1st Offense: Banned 5 years, no jail, just deported, home country notified.
2nd Offense: Banned for life.
3rd Offense: Held as war criminal and punished for crimes against the American people- IE: Death sentence carried out within 6 months.
Harsh I know, but it would deter them from continuously coming in illegally and not going about it the right way.
Also, to add: if you knowingly and willingly commit a crime against a legal US citizen you are immediately put on death row with the express lane.
Thoughts? I know this sounds harsh, but it's to the point where it's drowning us, we have too many leeching off the system and getting a slap on the wrist. I'm tired of illegals getting 3 hots and a cot on my dime. Maybe if we made it so hostile for them to come here they'd do it the right way. And I would make it so you have to be proficient in English to become a citizen, none of this bi-lingual crap. And if you have children that want to go to school here, they learn English, no teaching in Spanish unless it's a Foreign language class.
How about stopping them from coming in at all. The US is the only 1st world country that has a porous border. I can't even imagine another country allowing the southern border situation we have here.
If you are here illegally you would immediately be deported. Then you can't get back in because we would actually control the border.
Cameron (A Legal Immigrant)
airborneranger
07-27-2011, 11:48
Europe has fluid borders. No more border check points there either.
SA Friday
07-27-2011, 12:09
Completely against the 6th ammendment. One of the biggest problems we have is politicians play games with the constitution as it is.
bobbyfairbanks
07-27-2011, 12:12
How about stopping them from coming in at all. The US is the only 1st world country that has a porous border. I can't even imagine another country allowing the southern border situation we have here.
If you are here illegally you would immediately be deported. Then you can't get back in because we would actually control the border.
Cameron (A Legal Immigrant)
Just look at europe my friend no visa's at all, just passport and go on your marry way. I have first hand knowledge of this. Heck I have only been stopped at two country crossings there, germany into switzerland and italy into austria. I have driven all over europe and most times it is like driving between states. Pretty porous if you ask me.
How about stopping them from coming in at all. The US is the only 1st world country that has a porous border. I can't even imagine another country allowing the southern border situation we have here.
If you are here illegally you would immediately be deported. Then you can't get back in because we would actually control the border.
Cameron (A Legal Immigrant)
I agree, we need to secure the border, but it's so bad right now it's almost impossible to fix with our current budget.
Completely against the 6th ammendment. One of the biggest problems we have is politicians play games with the constitution as it is.
So what you're saying is they have the same rights as US Citizens? I like to think that the 6th applies to US Citizens, not invaders from a foreign country. Look at how many people are in this country illegally and then look at the crimes they commit. Let's not forget, 70% of MS-13 currently in prison are illegals. I'd rather they not be in my jails eating and sleeping on my dollar, I'd rather them be gone... as in gone from existence. I'm sure they will do their best to uphold my rights in Iran! Why should we be different in that regard?
I agree, we need to secure the border, but it's so bad right now it's almost impossible to fix with our current budget.
I disagree. The fact is that our current budget is chock full of welfare programs not just to citizens, but illegals, and even worse to foreign countries.
We could have the southern border secured in a couple of months if we really wanted to.
Cameron
And I would make it so you have to be proficient in English to become a citizen, none of this bi-lingual crap. And if you have children that want to go to school here, they learn English, no teaching in Spanish unless it's a Foreign language class.
There is an English test as part of the citizenship process already. I can't attest to how hard it is as I was English so I sailed through it, but it tests reading, writing and speaking English.
One thing we need and it's been promised by Bush and never given to us (point for Nynco - it's BUSH's fault) is that we need to put military on our borders. We are one of the very few countries in the world where police maintain the border and not the military. I say that we stop trying to solve the worlds problems long enough to address some of ours first - so let's defend those borders like they need to be defended because it IS a war and it IS escalating.
One thing we need and it's been promised by Bush and never given to us (point for Nynco - it's BUSH's fault) is that we need to put military on our borders. We are one of the very few countries in the world where police maintain the border and not the military. I say that we stop trying to solve the worlds problems long enough to address some of ours first - so let's defend those borders like they need to be defended because it IS a war and it IS escalating.
Ranger, I don't know what it is, but you keep making these awesome points... I can't agree with you any more than I already do... [Beer]
+1 for the rib on nynco! That is a big Bush mistake, not following through. I know a couple guys in AZNG that were in a Stryker unit that was put on the border to "Augment the Border Patrol mission" and they said their ROE was a freaking joke. Everyone has heard the stories of BP agents getting killed on the border by these drug cartel members and Mexican Army personnel escorting people and drugs. Well the Arizona NG troops ROE was this: Do not engage illegal border crossing personnel unless you have a direct threat on the US side. Basically, if they shoot at you from Mexico you cannot fire into the foreign country. What!? Sounds to me like they should have said- if you see hostiles vaporize hostiles (old homage to Navy SEALs starring our pal Charlie Sheen). If it were me, I'd have all the US Army Armor units down there- see if they want to cross the border with a 25mm Bushmaster M242 chain gun pointed at them. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M242]
Fix it, then we can focus on the more important things, like when Miley Cyrus comes to Denver or which celebrity to mourn over after an O.D.
The "wall" will not work . . . we need snipers.
The "wall" will not work . . . we need snipers.
And a moat . . . with aids infected sharks . . . on pcp.
Byte Stryke
07-27-2011, 18:07
And a moat . . . with aids infected sharks . . . on pcp.
with ""LASERS""
Tweety Bird
07-27-2011, 18:10
Completely against the 6th ammendment. One of the biggest problems we have is politicians play games with the constitution as it is.
Really?
Here it is, in its entirety:
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. "
And a moat . . . with aids infected sharks . . . on pcp.
with ""LASERS""
Unfortunately, sharks are not vectors for HIV and are too stupid to fire lasers. You need dolphins for that.
Completely stupid idea.
First of all, the punishment has to fit the crime. None of yours does.
How do you distinguish between someone here on vacation and being an illegal? Do you even care?
Would you be willing to accept the exact same situation for US Citizens traveling to Mexico? I'm sure no drunk US kids commit crimes in Mexico during Spring Break.
I'm sure no drunk US kids commit crimes in Mexico during Spring Break.[ROFL1]
How about this idea...
1. Get rid of the welfare state-
No wic, ss, medicare, food stamps, public education, publicly funded medical care for indigents... everything.
2. End the war on drugs.
Results:
1. Far fewer cretin leeches will want to come here to suck off the government tit.
2. Drug runners find themselves competing against the likes of Walmart and quickly go out of business thus greatly reducing the violence associated with the drug industry.
Ancillary results:
1. Our homegrown welfare dregs might well leave.
2. Our drug users OD and die since docs will likely no longer see them once government stops paying for their care.
3. Our police and politicians will face much less temptations with bribe money from the drug trade.
Caveats:
1. Probably need to get your medical insurance up to date and wear some id so that if you get in a wreck and need care that the hospital can look you up and see whether you're good for payment. Your choice though. I don't care what you do, or how/if you're cared for.
2. People need to provide for the education of their own kids. Not my problem whether your kids are smart or stupid. Besides, I personally think that the education of children is far too important to leave in the hands of the government since the government turns everything it touches (including kids) into a big pile of ... poop.
3. People would need to take care of themselves and each other. No more sponging off the government when you lose your job or decide to retire.
Here's my distant second idea. Much worse than my first plan but there might be some satisfaction in the implementation.
1. Seize a ribbon of land on the Mexican side of the border - maybe a quarter mile wide from Gulf to Pacific.
2. Remove the inhabitants (this is an optional step if we want to be courteous,)
3. Bring the military back from all our overseas adventures and put them along this DMZ area. This would include everybody in Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, all UAV's, etc.
4. Kill anyone caught in the DMZ.
This would be kind of like the DMZ between the Korea's. They seem to have their immigration issue under control.
[Twist][Twist]
ChadAmberg
07-28-2011, 12:26
So what you're saying is they have the same rights as US Citizens? I like to think that the 6th applies to US Citizens, not invaders from a foreign country. Look at how many people are in this country illegally and then look at the crimes they commit. Let's not forget, 70% of MS-13 currently in prison are illegals. I'd rather they not be in my jails eating and sleeping on my dollar, I'd rather them be gone... as in gone from existence. I'm sure they will do their best to uphold my rights in Iran! Why should we be different in that regard?
Yes, they do have the same rights as Citizens as defined by the Bill of Rights. The Constitution will specifically say Citizens when it means only US Citizens. And the Bill of Rights protects the inherent rights of mankind from interference by the government.
P_R:
Spot on; I;ve been advocating this for years.
ChadAmberg:
Not only that, but our founding document (the Declaration of Independence) clearly states that the universal nature of our natural rights is 'self-evident'. The fact that all governments routinely violate those rights (some more than others) does not negate the existence of those rights.
As you correctly stated, our Constitution's Bill of Rights does NOT establish any rights; it merely defends certain pre-existing rights.
Both of you:
Well said.
KevDen2005
07-29-2011, 12:09
P_R:
Spot on; I;ve been advocating this for years.
ChadAmberg:
Not only that, but our founding document (the Declaration of Independence) clearly states that the universal nature of our natural rights is 'self-evident'. The fact that all governments routinely violate those rights (some more than others) does not negate the existence of those rights.
As you correctly stated, our Constitution's Bill of Rights does NOT establish any rights; it merely defends certain pre-existing rights.
Both of you:
Well said.
I'm glad to see someone else that sees this. Do you know how many people I run into routinely that believe the Constitution and Bill of Rights are rights given to them by the government?
OneGuy67
07-29-2011, 12:48
I would ban semi's from driving in the left lane of any state or federal highway! Just my pet peeve.
I might even go so far to say that they can only drive between 6 PM and 6 AM, but that causes delivery problems I don't want to try to work out.
You asked...
airborneranger
07-29-2011, 12:50
I would ban semi's from driving in the left lane of any state or federal highway! Just my pet peeve.
I might even go so far to say that they can only drive between 6 PM and 6 AM, but that causes delivery problems I don't want to try to work out.
You asked...
That is funny you mention that because that is the law in Germany. They can't pass and they can't drive on Sundays!
OneGuy67
07-29-2011, 12:53
That is funny you mention that because that is the law in Germany. They can't pass and they can't drive on Sundays!
I remember that! I was stationed there in the mid 80's.
SA Friday
07-29-2011, 14:03
So what you're saying is they have the same rights as US Citizens? I like to think that the 6th applies to US Citizens, not invaders from a foreign country. Look at how many people are in this country illegally and then look at the crimes they commit. Let's not forget, 70% of MS-13 currently in prison are illegals. I'd rather they not be in my jails eating and sleeping on my dollar, I'd rather them be gone... as in gone from existence. I'm sure they will do their best to uphold my rights in Iran! Why should we be different in that regard?
It's our legal system we put them through, so yes, the 6th amendment applies unless you think the Mexican legal system has precedence inside our borders. BTW, a set of rules for illegals and a set of rules for citizens, within our borders, is a violation of the 14th Ammendment.
we should be different than Iran, because we're better than Iran. Show me one 1st world country that kills border jumpers? You are suggesting we disregard everything our legal system stands for, and execute people for border jumping.
Show me one 1st world country that kills border jumpers?
Israel.
HBARleatherneck
07-30-2011, 06:08
they dont. They have a massive illegal alien population also. They come up through the Sinai from Africa. They are facing many problems from it, just like us.
and they have tons of foreign workers who overstay their visas and pop out kids in order to stay...sound familiar?
Your not dealing with the 'root' of the problem. The power structure WANTS illegals here, alot of small business makes ALOT of $$$ off the 'taxpayer subsidy labor', and the Democrap racist play the racist angle, by flooding and outbreeding whites. Labor party wants a White minority in England and Canada has wanted it for years (Truedou)
So what you 'would do' is absurd, your not the power structure. Maybe you could convince the morons in the Tea-Party to take the hard-line in illegals.
I used to hand out numbersusa business cards so morons I would meet might join up, but even that was a stretch. I was (most likley) the moron. Eh, maybe 10% did it. But the moron factor is our biggest problem. [Stooge]
www.numbersusa.com
www.alipac.com
SA Friday
07-30-2011, 13:06
Israel.
Never mind, hbar handled it.
mcantar18c
07-30-2011, 16:35
I would ban semi's from driving in the left lane of any state or federal highway! Just my pet peeve.
I might even go so far to say that they can only drive between 6 PM and 6 AM, but that causes delivery problems I don't want to try to work out.
You asked...
Suck it. If a truck is passing or going faster than the other traffic, by all means get in the left lane. If they're going slower, get the f*ck out of the left lane. Same as every other driver on the road. What needs to happen is we need to enforce the rules of the road, stay the hell out of the left lane if you aren't going significantly faster than the traffic around you.
I've noticed I'm getting more and more irritated at "city folk" lately. The ones that honk and get angry when driving down a county road and get stuck behind farm equipment because they don't understand why he needs to drive on the road, complain about the "bad" smell when passing by a cattle farm or similar on a road trip, that call me Tex, that whine about their supervisor making them do their jobs and complain cause they've been working for too long (4 hours, real long time there) cause they've never put in a true day's work - dark to dark physical labor - in their lives (I chewed some dumbshit pothead out at work yesterday for this... on my first day... I'm sure they love me).
(I chewed some dumbshit pothead out at work yesterday for this... on my first day... I'm sure they love me).
You probably won't last long. If you're being a hard ass to other employees anyway. What kind of work?
If you ban semi-trucks from the left lane, then all the other lanes will wear out faster.
they dont. They have a massive illegal alien population also. They come up through the Sinai from Africa. They are facing many problems from it, just like us.
and they have tons of foreign workers who overstay their visas and pop out kids in order to stay...sound familiar?
If the IDF spots individuals sneaking across certain borders at night they will shoot them, but that does not apply to all borders and you are correct that they do have a lenient and liberal immigration policy.
I think that if Border Patrol agents spot people sneaking across our borders at night, they also should be permitted to shoot them. If you want to live here illegally get a visa like everyone else and go through the checkpoint. I am a lot more tolerant of folks who overstay visas than folks who swim the Rio Grande at night or try to pack a hundred people in a Conex container and sneak them in on a truck. If you ARRIVE legally that is a lot different -- as long as you speak English and get a real license plate.
mcantar18c
07-31-2011, 03:53
You probably won't last long. If you're being a hard ass to other employees anyway. What kind of work?
If you ban semi-trucks from the left lane, then all the other lanes will wear out faster.
I got a high five from my boss who said "Damn I'm glad we finally have someone here with a backbone and a good work ethic." The kid had it coming, the only reason he's been getting away with his bullshit is because his other supervisor is afraid of confrontation or something.
The company has money and needs work done... he needs money, and is willing to do the work (nobody is forcing him to work there). He won't get paid for doing nothing, if he wants money he needs to earn it, and do so without being disrespectful to other employees, supervisors, managers, and customers. He isn't holding up his end of that bargain, and I made sure he understood that. If this is considered being a hardass... our society is more fucked than I thought.
Well, it depends what kind of work you're in. If you're working in an office or something, going on a rant about what "real" work is, might just make your higher ups think that the job isn't a good fit for you. If you're doing anything else, you'll probably just get a raise.
I've been working on just keeping my mouth shut and working my ass off at work. It's hard to do sometimes given that there are some morons I work with, but it's been getting me good results so far.
SMOGSONE
08-13-2011, 16:16
Maybe EVERYONE should return where there heritage originated, return control of the land to the native Americans AGAIN, and let them decide who comes to stay? Not every logical I know but then again either is killing people who for the most part contribute to society as "war criminal". Seems to me like the country was built off immigration and both legal and illegal immigrants have found there place! If you really wanna stop immigration then stop hiring immigrants. They mostly come because there is no work where they left, seems they would keep moving if there was no work here??? Last thing, just because you have declared war on a situation doesnt make it a war and doesnt make the opposing side a war criminals punishable by death, if this were the case I'd declare war on stupidity
glockedandloaded
08-13-2011, 16:27
allow felons to buy and carry guns under a registry. if their so dangerous why are they not in jail?
I don't think Native Americans were necessarily here first. If they were the people to originally cross the land bridge from Africa, and all it takes is being first; then I'm about to own about 5,000 acres of Yellowstone.
SMOGSONE
08-13-2011, 16:52
I don't think Native Americans were necessarily here first. If they were the people to originally cross the land bridge from Africa, and all it takes is being first; then I'm about to own about 5,000 acres of Yellowstone.
WTF ??????[Bang]
That was pretty pointless and TOTALLY missed the point of what was said, but that's what most do when they don't have a logical inteligent response. BTW-Native, as in had residence and a way of life set up, as in didn't sail over, mass murder, and inforce a way of life. Again all besides the actual point of the post. No Comprehension points for you!
If you think that the Indians were mass murdered, I think you need to look into the history a bit more.
What is the difference between walking over and sailing over?
SA Friday
08-13-2011, 18:10
If you think that the Indians were mass murdered, I think you need to look into the history a bit more.
What is the difference between walking over and sailing over?
There were multiple incidents of mass murder against indians, but most were killed from the diseases that europeans brought with them. Light estimates are in the range of 6 million.
The difference is who was here first. If nobody was here and they show up to claim the territory, then its yours. What europeans did to possess land afterward is even better documented than the deaths. Hell, the first property cases on the continent are indian land rights cases by Marshall. The case rulings are also rife with rewriting history and legal fiction.
SMOGSONE
08-13-2011, 18:59
Thanks SA, I couldn't of said it better!
What does any of that have to do with this thread though?
KevDen2005
08-14-2011, 03:34
There were multiple incidents of mass murder against indians, but most were killed from the diseases that europeans brought with them. Light estimates are in the range of 6 million.
The difference is who was here first. If nobody was here and they show up to claim the territory, then its yours. What europeans did to possess land afterward is even better documented than the deaths. Hell, the first property cases on the continent are indian land rights cases by Marshall. The case rulings are also rife with rewriting history and legal fiction.
I see someone has been studying up on their Federal Indian Law...
SMOGSONE
08-14-2011, 08:32
What does any of that have to do with this thread though?
Ding ding ding, yay Irving figured out the rant he started has nothin to do w the topic at hand. How bout you re read the initial post and re read my post and test your reading comprehension by seeing if you have anything intelligent and ON TOPIC to say.
Look it's me Irving and SA [Stooge]
How is me moving back to Wheat Ridge going to benefit anyone?
SA Friday
08-14-2011, 11:26
I see someone has been studying up on their Federal Indian Law...
NAS1000. Is almost all legal studies and history thrown it to understand the laws. It's really a political science class, but should be a federal Indian law intro class. I got an A [Weight] [Tooth].
Oh I wouldn't go so far as to say any of this sidebar is irrelevant. This thread is about laws one would in enact. Understanding the direct and indirect effects of laws and the histories of peticuarly bad laws and why they are/were bad is the groundwork to really understanding if a law should exist or if one is just acting like an irrational teenager not getting ther way. Thus trying to bend everything in the universe to their twisted version of reality, and having no concept of the ramifications of wanting what they want in the first place.
SMOGSONE
08-14-2011, 16:33
NAS1000. Is almost all legal studies and history thrown it to understand the laws. It's really a political science class, but should be a federal Indian law intro class. I got an A [Weight] [Tooth].
That's awesome SA, congrats! And thanks for using your Advanced education to back up my simple logic. And your right this side bar is absolutely relevant to the topic. As you can see Irving can't grasp the difference between topic and side bar, nor can he understand sarcasm to make a point.
Irving- my let me simplify and get to my personal perspective and points-
1-killing people for illegally crossing the borer is as illogical as trying to send everyone back to where there family stems before europian and spanish colonization began in the 1400s/ 1500s
2-this country was built off immigration both legal and illegal. It is (was) a GREAT country and it got that way with the hard work of American citizens, legal immigration and illegal immigration.
3-immigrants aren't hiring immigrants, as long as we provide work for immigrants, there will be immigrants here for the work.
stevelkinevil
08-14-2011, 16:53
How about instead of spending all that money going to war in the damned sand box, we re-purpose that money and man power to defend OUR borders?
KevDen2005
08-14-2011, 17:15
NAS1000. Is almost all legal studies and history thrown it to understand the laws. It's really a political science class, but should be a federal Indian law intro class. I got an A [Weight] [Tooth].
Did you take it with Ortiz? I'm assuming you are/were going to Metro since I have seen you post about the campus before.
That's awesome SA, congrats! And thanks for using your Advanced education to back up my simple logic. And your right this side bar is absolutely relevant to the topic. As you can see Irving can't grasp the difference between topic and side bar, nor can he understand sarcasm to make a point.
Irving- my let me simplify and get to my personal perspective and points-
1-killing people for illegally crossing the borer is as illogical as trying to send everyone back to where there family stems before europian and spanish colonization began in the 1400s/ 1500s
2-this country was built off immigration both legal and illegal. It is (was) a GREAT country and it got that way with the hard work of American citizens, legal immigration and illegal immigration.
3-immigrants aren't hiring immigrants, as long as we provide work for immigrants, there will be immigrants here for the work.
Why are you still talking to me? Have you read this thread from page one? Every single post?
KevDen2005
08-14-2011, 17:22
Why are you still talking to me? Have you read this thread from page one? Every single post?
Well I tried, but my ADD kicked it and couldn't take it anymore...so I did like do with books, read the last two pages.
SMOGSONE
08-14-2011, 17:38
Why are you still talking to me? Have you read this thread from page one? Every single post?[ROFL2][ROFL3]
Yes I did read the entire thread from page one, every post. I was amazed by some of the arrogance a ignorance displayed but choose to post my thoughts on the original post only. Im talkin to you still because you keep commenting on MY post in particular, even though you have failed to make one sensible comment.
SA Friday
08-14-2011, 18:51
Did you take it with Ortiz? I'm assuming you are/were going to Metro since I have seen you post about the campus before.
LOL, ya I did. I gave her fits when she got all butt-hurt and I countered with logic. I did learn quite a bit though. Perspective is really important.
KevDen2005
08-14-2011, 20:17
LOL, ya I did. I gave her fits when she got all butt-hurt and I countered with logic. I did learn quite a bit though. Perspective is really important.
Yeah, I didn't always agree with her. I had her for Federal Indian Law, which is was more case law than theory based. I learned a ton. As long as you haven't ever taken Meranto, you will be fine...she is a nut
ronaldrwl
08-14-2011, 20:32
Beef up the boarders and make getting a job (if there are any left) impossible for illegals. As long as they can get jobs here they'll find a way across the boarder.
[ROFL2][ROFL3]
Yes I did read the entire thread from page one, every post. I was amazed by some of the arrogance a ignorance displayed but choose to post my thoughts on the original post only. Im talkin to you still because you keep commenting on MY post in particular, even though you have failed to make one sensible comment.
It's not that I don't understand sarcasm, it is that you jumped into the very end of a conversation with zero introduction. Your post was stupid. So stupid that I had to comment on it. I realize now that it was supposed to be stupid, because you attempting sarcasm, but how was I supposed to know that?
I keep talking about your post because it blows my mind how much of an asshole you are acting like over the whole thing. I'm going to go read your introduction thread and see if you mentioned anything about sometimes acting like an asshole in there. Maybe I should have known better.
Anyway, in case you missed it, I'm sure that you and I are probably in agreement on this topic, so you can lay off the pissing contest antics any time. I look forward to seeing what you have to say from the beginning of a conversation some time. [BDay]
EDIT: And I don't mean to drag this stupid conversation out. I just got home from work.
SMOGSONE
08-15-2011, 11:48
that you jumped into the very end of a conversation with zero introduction. Your post was stupid. So stupid that I had to comment on it..
Well if your talking about the 1st part of the post I agree, that was the stupidest thing I could come up with next to killing people for crossing our border illegally. If you mean the rest please point out and I'll happy to discuss my logic behind the statement.
Didn't mean to such an ass but I can be when frustraited and after some of the post I read on this thread I definitely stated frustraited and on the defense.
I posted so late because I'm new here. I have to say though if I had been the 1st to respond I would of said the same thing.
I didnt put this in my intro thread post but I'm a big believer that " all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
This is what immigrants are looking for and they find it with work WE provide.
SMOGSONE
08-15-2011, 11:58
Beef up the boarders and make getting a job (if there are any left) impossible for illegals. As long as they can get jobs here they'll find a way across the boarder.
I agree w beefing up the borders a small portion of what we spend on overseas wars could close em up real nice. There are jobs here, plenty, this is why most illegals are coming. I believe we stop hiring illegals and/ or fill the jobs they are getting we will see a huge reduction in those attempting to cross.
SA Friday
08-15-2011, 12:27
Yeah, I didn't always agree with her. I had her for Federal Indian Law, which is was more case law than theory based. I learned a ton. As long as you haven't ever taken Meranto, you will be fine...she is a nut
Had a lecture by her during the class about the 60/70s Indian movement. She also wrote the text for my class. She is very very political and was one of the higher up players in many of the movements for change back in the day. I think nut might be an understatement. She doesn't back up her claims of truth very well in her text book, and I suspect she doesn't back up her professional papers very well either. A lot of disregarded and legitimate countering publications to her work.
Anyway, way off track from the thread.
Well if your talking about the 1st part of the post I agree, that was the stupidest thing I could come up with next to killing people for crossing our border illegally. If you mean the rest please point out and I'll happy to discuss my logic behind the statement.
Didn't mean to such an ass but I can be when frustraited and after some of the post I read on this thread I definitely stated frustraited and on the defense.
I posted so late because I'm new here. I have to say though if I had been the 1st to respond I would of said the same thing.
I didnt put this in my intro thread post but I'm a big believer that " all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
This is what immigrants are looking for and they find it with work WE provide.
I was not initially stating we kill them for crossing illegally... punish habitual offenders that obviously won't abide by the rules that if you're banned from entering the country for 10 years and still try then you probably won't respect any of our other laws. Also- these illegals hinder my rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I get pretty fucking unhappy when I have to press 2 for Spanish (which shouldn't even be an option), flood our country with crime, drugs, and more non-English speaking people, burden our hospitals and raise costs because they're "undocumented" and don't have ins., exponentially crowd our cities and burden our economy because most of their money goes back to family in Mexico, burden our economy further by not paying any taxes (except piddly little sales tax), and oh yeah, I'm pretty unhappy that my uncle and cousin have to carry guns on their property in AZ because of all the cartel and smuggling activity. So their "rights" are somehow more important than those of a citizen? They have more of a right to just flood into our country with little to no punishment but a slap on the wrist? And why should we, the taxpayers, have to pay for their healthcare, their punishment, and their goddamn wellfare?
In addition to that, I'm fucking sick of hearing all this "the Native Americans had their country stolen from them... blah blah blah," fuck that, it's a cop out. I didn't take anything, I was born here. If you look at history we purchased a lot of land that makes up America. There may have been quite a bit of mistreatment toward the indigenous population, but did anyone living here right now commit any atrocities toward them? I don't think so. We have an established government, society, and lifestyle set up now here in America. Go ahead and try to give the country back to the native Americans, but I can promise you won't last long, especially if you try to make me give up my property to someone who I see now, this day in age, as having no right to it. I have some 5.56mm rounds I'd defend my property with, so please, let's see if flesh and lead are evenly matched... I also feel the same way about reparations- slavery ended what? 150 years ago, so why would you punish me for something I didn't do?
SMOGSONE
08-15-2011, 20:40
I get pretty fucking unhappy when I have to press 2 for Spanish (which shouldn't even be an option
WTF? your mad because you have to press a language option,wow. [Help]
1-no matter how many times a person trys to cross you cant kill them for that. its wrong in s oooooo many way! Remember laws do not effect criminals, they do not obey the laws which is what make them illegal and new laws wont change that. This is like all the extream anti gun people that think new, more, and stiffer laws will stop criminals from having and using guns, it only hurts or effects those already obeying the law. Most of these people risk death in there attempts to get here as it is, one more chance of death isnt gonna stop them. How bout the death penalty for your red blooded american business men that keeps hiring illegals???? cut off the source of the problem, the WORK!
2- The large majority of people (leaches) that are sucking this country and our goverment programs dry (welfare,social security,prison systems) are AMERICAN. 5th, 6th, 7th generation americans whos way of life is to depend on such programs to pay there way in life wether it be by applying for goverment assitance or repeatedly returning to jail. The largest quantities of the most hard drugs come in through canada and are from europe and asia or are produced right here in your own back yards. I promise you if you stopped ALL illegal immigration it would hurt our economy not help it.
3-Companies do not have the spanish option for illegal immgrants can have someone to talk to. They spend alot of money to have this option available because a large portion of there paying (contributing to society) customer base speaks spanish and as most companies do, they are catering to those who spend. As our country consists of millions of legal people who prefer to speak spanish sounds like good business to me. And as a very large portion of americans dont actially pay any taxes and actually get tax returns exceeding what the paid out, id say illegals paying sales tax contribut just as much as many of us do.
4-Your not being punished for the atricities that were done to native americans or blacks. Your being asked to learn from them and not repeat the mistakes. Thats what makes this a great country and us a great people. I wont even go deeper on those atricities as thats another topic altogether. Point is, it wasnt ok then its not ok now regardless of borders or laws. There rights are no more improtant then yours, yours are no more important then theres, thus the saying ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL!
If your soo bothered about illegals then get your goverment to better gaurd our borders and crack down on those hiring illegals. Your idea would basically put the message "if we catch you-you die, if not-theres plenty work and a great life here"
My message would be "we will make it nearly imposible for you to get here and if you do sorry no work"
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