Stop Gun Trafficking and Strengthen Law Enforcement Act of 2011

[mcantar18c]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h112-2554
[Rant1]

Just realized I posted this in GD instead of the legislation forum... mods, fell free to move

[TFOGGER]

So they're gonna shut down the ATF to stem the flow of illegal weapons to Mexico? [Tooth]

Jackasses...how about they enforce the laws already on the books? There's already numerous statutes that cover this subject. [Rant1]

[blacklabel]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that bill just describe a straw purchase?

[CMP_5.56]

More evidence of just how moronic our government truly is. [Bang]

[Zundfolge]

So basically this law says that it shall be illegal to engage in activity that is already illegal?

Ok, so what is the angle?

The only thing I can think is that section (b) might put anyone that runs a forum with ads or a classifieds site that allows firearms to be charged if a criminal buys a gun via their site.

But even then one would have to "knowingly" do so ... which again is already a crime.


Frankly I suspect its one of those bills put forward by gun banners just to keep their gun banning buddies at Brady and VPC quiet.

[mcantar18c]

So basically this law says that it shall be illegal to engage in activity that is already illegal?

Ok, so what is the angle?

The only thing I can think is that section (b) might put anyone that runs a forum with ads or a classifieds site that allows firearms to be charged if a criminal buys a gun via their site.

But even then one would have to "knowingly" do so ... which again is already a crime.


Frankly I suspect its one of those bills put forward by gun banners just to keep their gun banning buddies at Brady and VPC quiet.
That's exactly what it is, reinforcement of unconstitutional laws that are already on the books. WTF are we paying these people for.

[Scanker19]

I've only read the first part of it and my head already fucking hurts. Looks like its time to write doug.

[OneGuy67]

My take on this is, they are attempting to codify at the federal level a 'straw purchase', which has already been codified at the state level. This would allow the ATF and other federal agents to charge into federal court, this particular offense.

I don't have time to review the federal statutes to see if this is a redundant federal statute right now.

[Scanker19]

My take on this is, they are attempting to codify at the federal level a 'straw purchase', which has already been codified at the state level. This would allow the ATF and other federal agents to charge into federal court, this particular offense.

I don't have time to review the federal statutes to see if this is a redundant federal statute right now.

Its not already?

[TFOGGER]

My take on this is, they are attempting to codify at the federal level a 'straw purchase', which has already been codified at the state level. This would allow the ATF and other federal agents to charge into federal court, this particular offense.

I don't have time to review the federal statutes to see if this is a redundant federal statute right now.

I'll have to dig into it, but I'm pretty sure all of this falls under 39 USC 922(g) in the sections having to do with prohibited persons.

[Scanker19]

I'll have to dig into it, but I'm pretty sure all of this falls under 39 USC 922(g) in the sections having to do with prohibited persons.

I was going to say isn't that why they have the questions on the background check form?

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The part that throws me:

In General- It shall be unlawful for any person, regardless of whether anything of value is exchanged, to receive, or to transfer or otherwise dispose of to 1 or more individuals, 2 or more firearms that have been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such conduct will result in the disposing of 1 or more such firearms to an individual--

So it is all right to sell one firearm to someone with the belief that they will sell it to someone who is not permitted to own? Just not two or more?

Can we charge ATF (sorry, BATFE...) and cabinet members with this legislation?

[Clint45]

The "interstate commerce" clause applies to pretty much ALL firearms and ammunition. If any component crossed a state line prior to assembly it falls under that clause. Nothing but weasel words intended to bypass established checks and balances through trickery.