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I figure we all derail the other threads enough that maybe a dedicated thread might be a better place for it. Anything is game here, all viewpoints welcome. Name calling is a given and getting pissed off is bound to happen at some point [Flower].
I'll start by saying this article reflects my sentiments quite nicely regarding our new debt deal:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/04/democrats-far-more-happy-with-debt-deal-than-republicans-poll-shows/
I found a great one about FDR. It deals with the right wing attacks on his legacy.
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009020603/fdr-failed-myth
[Beer]
Delfuego
08-04-2011, 10:54
Mmmmmm Turtles......[Dinner]
n8tive97
08-04-2011, 10:55
I think Rush Limbaugh is right and wished he would run the country!
I figure we all derail the other threads enough that maybe a dedicated thread might be a better place for it. Anything is game here, all viewpoints welcome. Name calling is a given and getting pissed off is bound to happen at some point [Flower].
I'll start by saying this article reflects my sentiments quite nicely regarding our new debt deal:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/04/democrats-far-more-happy-with-debt-deal-than-republicans-poll-shows/
Ranger that story is predictable. I have read some books on psychology profiles of different political stances. That fits right in there. In fact I could send you a link for a whole book about it online. I first started reading about the subject after reading some columns by John Dean who is a conservative himself.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 10:57
Oh Gawd- here we go- the MYTH of the New Deal. Suggested reading- "Three Myths of the Great Depression" a paper from the Foundation for Economic Education. It has nothing to do with right wing attacks. It has to do with transferral of wealth from the haves to those who want it for free. That was the New Deal. Transferral of jobs FROM the private sector and wealth FROM the private sector to the public sector- i.e. gov't.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 11:00
By the way nynco- John Dean is no conservative. He is a registered independent wacko who lobbied for the impeachment of George Bush and has been strongly critical of conservativism and Republicans in general. Better read more.
Lol the new deal us such a joke. I am conservative but try to see both viewpoints and I believe both political parties are garbage but really if we have to debate the uselessness of the new deal we are wasting each others time. It's the worst economic plan and social plan in the history of this country. Some of the ideas short term weren't bad but over the long term are completely detrimental
Delfuego
08-04-2011, 11:08
How many of you are actually old enough to accurately comment on the New Deal?
"The New Deal was a series of economic programs implemented in the United States between 1933 and 1936."
Lets get someone who was actually alive to comment on it. [Luck]
If not I would like to give my editorial on Constantine's conversion of Rome to Christianity.
By the way nynco- John Dean is no conservative. He is a registered independent wacko who lobbied for the impeachment of George Bush and has been strongly critical of conservativism and Republicans in general. Better read more.
John Dean is a conservative who feels the Republican party has gone off the deep end. John Dean served under Nixon. Remember Water Gate? Well Dean was the one who believed in the rule of law more than party loyalty. The Republicans don't like him because Dean believed in his oath to the constitution more than his party loyalty. If only other Americans would do so, our nation would be better off.
n8tive97
08-04-2011, 11:16
Rush is right!!!!
Lol the new deal us such a joke. I am conservative but try to see both viewpoints and I believe both political parties are garbage but really if we have to debate the uselessness of the new deal we are wasting each others time. It's the worst economic plan and social plan in the history of this country. Some of the ideas short term weren't bad but over the long term are completely detrimental
How is Soc Security bad? It has never missed a payment and has kept countless American Senior from starving to death. I think you all need to read a little history about the poor and middle class prior to the New Deal.
The longest, largest, stablest growth in the middle class and the whole countries GDP was from 1935 till 1979. Only in the 80's once we started to end the New Deal reforms did the middle class slide in reverse. Then after the Reagan reforms our debt exploded at the same time in order to keep the economy from going off a cliff.
Rush is right!!!!
about what......... how many forms of drugs he can take while calling for others to go to jail for drugs too. Ask him why he is a hypocrite.... oh yeah I forgot, Drugs made him deaf[ROFL1]
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 11:19
Just because I wasn't alive during the Roosevelt years doesn't mean that I can't read and comment about it. Nynco- I do remember Watergate, and I remember that snitch John Dean. He is NOT a conservative. As I said, put your reading glasses back on. All you have to do is google the jerk to see where he stands.
hollohas
08-04-2011, 11:21
How is Soc Security bad? It has never missed a payment and has kept countless American Senior from starving to death. I think you all need to read a little history about the poor and middle class prior to the New Deal.
The longest, largest, stablest growth in the middle class and the whole countries GDP was from 1935 till 1979. Only in the 80's once we started to end the New Deal reforms did the middle class slide in reverse. Then after the Reagan reforms our debt exploded at the same time in order to keep the economy from going off a cliff.
It is outdated. It was not designed to pay 100% of the people who paid in nor was it designed to pay them for 20+ years. It's not a bad theory but it's not working. Not to mention, it should be our choice as to what type of retirement plan we pay into or don't pay into. It should be voluntary.
PS - it's your responsibility to save up enough not to starve to death when you retire, not the government's to force you to do so.
n8tive97
08-04-2011, 11:26
about what......... how many forms of drugs he can take while calling for others to go to jail for drugs too. Ask him why he is a hypocrite.... oh yeah I forgot, Drugs made him deaf[ROFL1]
He is still right! Tasty koolaide? Deaf? thats like saying your ignorance made you dumb?
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i433/n8tive97/PollsterComMap.jpg
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 11:28
Yea nynco- attack the messenger not the message. You just lost more credibility by following the far-left playbook.
ghettodub
08-04-2011, 11:28
I think Rush Limbaugh is right and wished he would run the country!
I kinda hope he falls off the face of the earth. All that fat cow, i mean formerly fat drug addict cow, does is complain with almost no real solutions to anything. I despise him more than any other political talk show host, except maybe Michael Savage. Both complete doucherockets
Just my .02. My day isn't complete until I express some kind of hate for him.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 11:30
Aaaaah the hate- splashing off the page. All this from the most tolerant among us- the political left.
It is outdated. It was not designed to pay 100% of the people who paid in nor was it designed to pay them for 20+ years. It's not a bad theory but it's not working. Not to mention, it should be our choice as to what type of retirement plan we pay into or don't pay into. It should be voluntary.
PS - it's your responsibility to save up enough not to starve to death when you retire, not the government's to force you to do so.
Agreed.... but SocSec was never meant to be all someone would need. Which if you think that meager paycheck is enough to live comfortably on, then you need to look at the cost of living. SS is a base above zero. As it was meant to be. There is nothing stopping you from planning your retirement to augment SS.
n8tive97
08-04-2011, 11:32
Aaaaah the hate- splashing off the page. All this from the most tolerant among us- the political left.
Very good point.... Where is the love fellas? Can't we all just get along??
ghettodub
08-04-2011, 11:33
Aaaaah the hate- splashing off the page. All this from the most tolerant among us- the political left.
I hope you don't mean me. I'm no lefty... I just think Rush is a cu*t [Coffee]
hollohas
08-04-2011, 11:34
There is nothing stopping you from planning your retirement to augment SS.
Right, but I would rather have that money that goes into SS to invest on my own terms along with my extra investments...
He is still right! Tasty koolaide? Deaf? thats like saying your ignorance made you dumb?
No really Rush is clinically deaf because he took too much Oxycontin. He pushes the war on drugs while he himself is a synthetic heroin addict. Oxycontin is synthetic heroin. Remember the scandal where he sent his maid to buy his drugs.
As to Obamas approval ratings........ I don't like him because he is Bushes 3rd term. Obama makes Nixon look like a loony liberal. Obamacare for all the whining about it being evil socialism is nothing but Conservative Romnie care on the national level. Its unconstitutional in my opinion. Just because people don't like Obama does not mean they will vote for the conservative. Look at the current crop of GOP presidential hopefuls........ its like watching the Special Olympics of politics.
You have Palin the quitter
Bachman who hates gays... whose husband is gay himself and fleeces the taxpayers of money for his "Christian" gay reform camp.
Romnie the Mormon in a party where 50% think mormanism is a cult
Newt.... family values divorces his wife while she is recovering from cancer on her hospital bed... hes on what his 3rd wife and he cheated on all of them.
Rick Perry... the gov who loves the US so much he wants TX to leave it?
Herman Cain - the guy who has no clue what the constitution says about anything.
The only one worth a crap is Ron Paul..... I would vote for Ron Paul over Obama too.
Right, but I would rather have that money that goes into SS to invest on my own terms along with my extra investments...
SS is the base. We all pay. The reform needed is to make SS a flat tax on ALL forms of income investment income, long term and short term with NO cap like we have at 100K today. Then the rate would be 2%.
I kinda hope he falls off the face of the earth. All that fat cow, i mean formerly fat drug addict cow, does is complain with almost no real solutions to anything. I despise him more than any other political talk show host, except maybe Michael Savage. Both complete doucherockets
Just my .02. My day isn't complete until I express some kind of hate for him.
Totally agree[Beer]
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 11:45
Where is the La Raza candidate? With the 10 mil Obama is giving them this year (4 mil last year), they should be able to produce a viable goofball.
Aaah- I see more hate- more hate
Rooskibar03
08-04-2011, 11:45
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm251/cmuthard03/1c9a961a.jpg
Democrats got their panties in a bunch and forced a TN bookstore to stop selling these.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/04/satirical-mints-poking-fun-at-president-obama-yanked-from-tennessee-bookstore/
I'd buy a case of them if they would let me.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 11:46
Check ebay!!!
hollohas
08-04-2011, 11:46
...Romnie care on the national level.
Conservatives don't like Romney for that either.
ghettodub
08-04-2011, 11:48
You have Palin the quitter
Bachman who hates gays... whose husband is gay himself and fleeces the taxpayers of money for his "Christian" gay reform camp.
Romnie the Mormon in a party where 50% think mormanism is a cult
Newt.... family values divorces his wife while she is recovering from cancer on her hospital bed... hes on what his 3rd wife and he cheated on all of them.
Rick Perry... the gov who loves the US so much he wants TX to leave it?
Herman Cain - the guy who has no clue what the constitution says about anything.
The only one worth a crap is Ron Paul..... I would vote for Ron Paul over Obama too.
I gotta agree with you here. The GOP is screwed in 2012...
I have a few issues with Ron Paul, but would vote for him, but he can't win. He's crazy uncle Ron that people like, but not that much...
n8tive97
08-04-2011, 11:50
No really Rush is clinically deaf because he took too much Oxycontin. He pushes the war on drugs while he himself is a synthetic heroin addict. Oxycontin is synthetic heroin. Remember the scandal where he sent his maid to buy his drugs.
As to Obamas approval ratings........ I don't like him because he is Bushes 3rd term. Obama makes Nixon look like a loony liberal. Obamacare for all the whining about it being evil socialism is nothing but Conservative Romnie care on the national level. Its unconstitutional in my opinion. Just because people don't like Obama does not mean they will vote for the conservative. Look at the current crop of GOP presidential hopefuls........ its like watching the Special Olympics of politics.
You have Palin the quitter
Bachman who hates gays... whose husband is gay himself and fleeces the taxpayers of money for his "Christian" gay reform camp.
Romnie the Mormon in a party where 50% think mormanism is a cult
Newt.... family values divorces his wife while she is recovering from cancer on her hospital bed... hes on what his 3rd wife and he cheated on all of them.
Rick Perry... the gov who loves the US so much he wants TX to leave it?
Herman Cain - the guy who has no clue what the constitution says about anything.
The only one worth a crap is Ron Paul..... I would vote for Ron Paul over Obama too.
Right out of the Democratic/Liberal playbook, demonize your competition, and splash it all over the media, because you know you can't beat them on substance and record.
hollohas
08-04-2011, 11:51
I have a few issues with Ron Paul, but would vote for him, but he can't win. He's crazy uncle Ron that people like, but not that much...
His son has some of the same ideas and values but without the added crazy factor. I hope he comes to the top at some point so we can see if he is the right guy for the job.
I think I like Bobby Jindal but the guy isn't going to ditch his peeps.
ghettodub
08-04-2011, 11:52
I think I like Bobby Jindal but the guy isn't going to ditch his peeps.
agreed, I like him too for the most part. I just have issues with his social issues.
Allen West too. Wish he would run...
I gotta agree with you here. The GOP is screwed in 2012...
I have a few issues with Ron Paul, but would vote for him, but he can't win. He's crazy uncle Ron that people like, but not that much...
Why can't Ron Paul win? Because the corrupt GOP establishment and those who own them won't let him? He's the only guy you got who could beat Obama. Its just the GOP is owned by big business who like to keep the gov gravy train running for them that won't let him. The current GOP stands for socialism for big business and social darwinism for you and I.
Ron Paul is the only one I have seen that is a real conservative and could beat Obama. So fix your party so he has a chance.
He's only crazy because people threatened by him say so.
CrufflerSteve
08-04-2011, 12:02
His son has some of the same ideas and values but without the added crazy factor. I hope he comes to the top at some point so we can see if he is the right guy for the job.
I think I like Bobby Jindal but the guy isn't going to ditch his peeps.
I agree about Bobby Jindal. I'm not so sure about Ron Paul's son. He's the typical cut government type - except when it hurts me. Being a doctor, he wanted the doctor's payments to stay up.
Steve
hollohas
08-04-2011, 12:04
II'm not so sure about Ron Paul's son. He's the typical cut government type - except when it hurts me. Being a doctor, he wanted the doctor's payments to stay up.
Steve
Ah. I don't know much about him other than "first impressions" of a few times I heard him speak.
Right out of the Democratic/Liberal playbook, demonize your competition, and splash it all over the media, because you know you can't beat them on substance and record.
Demonize what........... all that is true of the candidates.
Ah. I don't know much about him other than "first impressions" of a few times I heard him speak.
Ron Pauls son is definitely not of the same moral character as the father. Heck the fact that he was practicing medicine without a legitimate license is something to be really concerned about. He made his own optometry society for just himself and passed it off as legitimate. Thats fraud in my book. He should have been in jail not congress. But so too should most all people in Congress.
How many of you are actually old enough to accurately comment on the New Deal?
"The New Deal was a series of economic programs implemented in the United States between 1933 and 1936."
Lets get someone who was actually alive to comment on it. [Luck]
If not I would like to give my editorial on Constantine's conversion of Rome to Christianity.
Sorry to jump in so late- I know you all have been waiting for my input... as an avid student of history apparently Delfuego is not aware that history is rife with criticisms of the past to help improve the future. So we can't talk about WWII, WWI, the Civil War, the Revolution, Egypt, anything in the Bible, etc. because we didn't live then... I may not have been alive during WWII and Vietnam, but as being an educated person on what transpired (hindsight being 20/20 and all) I think I can comment on it. I'd love to share my editorial on issues of the past. Please Del, resort to logic, not this broken system of "if you weren't there you can't talk on the subject." I kind of would like to hear your take on Constantine's conversion of Rome, it might be enlightening.
Demonize what........... all that is true of the candidates.
The media is awesome at twisting the facts... here is something for you to masticate (smart guy speak for chew on):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1453438/
It's on Netflix instant watch, so you can view it. And before you go attacking it saying it's a Republican conspiracy film, John Zeigler, the filmmaker behind it, is notorious for using actual sources and facts behind his work... so don't go in thinking it's another pro-GOP propaganda film, actually watch it with an open mind and see for yourself. I tried to do the same with Michael Moore, but the first 79 lies in 10min just really turned me off to it.
You want to defend Palin.... dear lord[ROFL1]
You want to defend Palin.... dear lord[ROFL1]
See, that's exactly the type of thinking the film is fighting. If you really look at it without all the spin from NBC and CNN she's not some stupid hick from the wilds of Alaska. But hey, you can't convince a cat he's a dog.
ghettodub
08-04-2011, 13:07
Why can't Ron Paul win? Because the corrupt GOP establishment and those who own them won't let him? He's the only guy you got who could beat Obama.
I don't know what you mean by "guy you got." I'm not a republican, I'm a libertarian. So you may think that means I should like Ron Paul. Yeah, he's ok; I don't like how he has voted on some social issue stuff like abortion. But face it, he doesn't have a shot at all. He's too extreme for some of the rightys because of his libertarian stances on drugs, gay marriage, and other of the sort. Out of all the candidates coming out on that side though, he is the only decent one in my book who cares about any personal liberties and letting you make your own mind up on stuff...
Its just the GOP is owned by big business who like to keep the gov gravy train running for them that won't let him. The current GOP stands for socialism for big business and social darwinism for you and I.
Ron Paul is the only one I have seen that is a real conservative and could beat Obama. So fix your party so he has a chance.
He's only crazy because people threatened by him say so.
He's not "real" conservative for quite a few people on the right, so that's not an accurate statement, and again, that's not my party... The GOP is far too divided right now, so that's why they are in trouble for 2012. But it's early, so things may very well change...
Delfuego
08-04-2011, 13:08
Just curious to hear an opinion of someone older, who lived through it...
Just curious to hear an opinion of someone older, who lived through it...
Good luck- those still alive that lived through it were children at the time, and odds are weren't really paying much attention... but it would be neat to hear their take. I imagine it'd be something to the tune of "At the time it was great, but in the long run it just sucked."
Delfuego
08-04-2011, 13:14
Their opinion... Not yours...
Their opinion... Not yours...
Shit! I jumped the gun. Sorry. I'll ask my Grandpa about it, but he was like 10-14 during that time... doubtful he'd remember it. But he can testify to the greatness of America during WWII.
Scanker19
08-04-2011, 13:41
0bgmcRcImhM
Halftime Joke Time.
What the opposite of Christopher Reeves?
Christopher Walken!
On your Mark.........get set........... Argue!
You want to defend Palin.... dear lord[ROFL1]
Palin's not my first choice (actually not any of my choices) but I don't think she is the dumb twit that she was portrayed as. The left media steamrolled her because she was a major hiccup in their plan to crown Obama as king (and Lord and Savior). I watched the documentary (done BY A DEMOCRAT by the way) and found it interesting, but it also confirmed that while she's not as dumb as a box of rocks I don't think she's the person to have at the helm either.
Would we be better off with Palin instead of Obama? I think it would be different but bad in different ways. Depends on which devil you want. Obama seems dead set on destroying our country through terrible economic decisions, while Palin I think would be more passive and probably struggle to make the tough decisions.
Obama is a post turtle, plain and simple. Palin is a post turtle. McCain is a twit. Bush was NOT a great president but made some good decisions. Believe me, I wish we could have OUR Clinton (popular, charismatic, seemingly intelligent - but he was also a post turtle), but the playing field is narrowed by what I would consider to be whackjobs like Ron Paul.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 13:52
Ron Paul could never get elected because he is an absolutist lock-step Libertarian. It has nothing to do with the right wing or Republicans. He can't raise enough money to be recognized on the national scene.
n8tive97
08-04-2011, 13:53
See, that's exactly the type of thinking the film is fighting. If you really look at it without all the spin from NBC and CNN she's not some stupid hick from the wilds of Alaska. But hey, you can't convince a cat he's a dog.
I like Palin; she stands for everything the left is against. The media and the left were scared of her so they made her out to be some hick from the back woods Alaska. Worked for nynco and all the other sheep!
Most Americans are center right, so it amazes me that we are in the position we are right now. I bet more of us wish we would have turned out to vote (I damn sure did).
I like Palin; she stands for everything the left is against. The media and the left were scared of her so they made her out to be some hick from the back woods Alaska. Worked for nynco and all the other sheep!
Most Americans are center right, so it amazes me that we are in the position we are right now. I bet more of us wish we would have turned out to vote (I damn sure did).
Thank you! Someone else who sees the good in Palin. To me she's an all fronts assault on the left, pro gun, pro family, anti-big gov, pro small business and not to mention not bad on the eyes either! I turned out to vote, but so many I know back in '08 were just so displeased with the choices that they just said "fuck it" and didn't vote. Really, when it comes down to it, I don't care what people say, McCain would have been the much better choice... too bad so much of America had blinders on (and still do).
Scanker19
08-04-2011, 14:02
I don't like Palin. Where did she come from? Why was she picked? Her and others are the reason we need to get away from the two party system. Every election is like giving your self an enema of hot sauce or grapefruit juice and seeing which hurts more. Limiting our selves to two candidates hurts our country. It always turns into a who likes/dislikes guns, I believe/do not believe in god, or insert other frivolous argument here.
For once I want a candidate to have ended these pointless wars, and education the top of their priorities.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 14:06
Sorry pal- it's a 2-party system. The only thing a 3-party system would do is divide the right, as the left is united on their path. Thus we would simply guarantee continued leftist gov't into the distant future.
i disagree with the notion that the nation is mostly center right. I think people say that because its the in thing to say. But when you ask people on the issues, they trend more to the left.
Palin is a quitter and anyone who takes her serious sees what they want to see in her, not what she is. She is nothing but an attention whore who shirked her duties as the elected gov on Alaska so that she could make money. Hardly a leader we need.
Is Ron Paul a rigid ideologue? I have to agree. But I see most all of the modern right wing as that. History and facts take back seat to theories. Like the theory of supply side economics. How many times do we have to try that and see it fail before peoples ideology changes?
Scanker19
08-04-2011, 14:08
Which is why we need more education.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 14:09
Man (nynco) you are talking about your own side- you're looking in a mirror- where socialist and marxist theory trump the fact that it simply doesn't work.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 14:11
I agree with Jordan as far as education is concerned, but not rain forest math- or economics taught only from the left by elitist far left ideologues.
n8tive97
08-04-2011, 14:15
Thank you! Someone else who sees the good in Palin. To me she's an all fronts assault on the left, pro gun, pro family, anti-big gov, pro small business and not to mention not bad on the eyes either! I turned out to vote, but so many I know back in '08 were just so displeased with the choices that they just said "fuck it" and didn't vote. Really, when it comes down to it, I don't care what people say, McCain would have been the much better choice... too bad so much of America had blinders on (and still do).
+100!!!
n8tive97
08-04-2011, 14:15
Man (nynco) you are talking about your own side- you're looking in a mirror- where socialist and marxist theory trump the fact that it simply doesn't work.
+10000
n8tive97
08-04-2011, 14:17
i disagree with the notion that the nation is mostly center right. I think people say that because its the in thing to say. But when you ask people on the issues, they trend more to the left.
Palin is a quitter and anyone who takes her serious sees what they want to see in her, not what she is. She is nothing but an attention whore who shirked her duties as the elected gov on Alaska so that she could make money. Hardly a leader we need.
Is Ron Paul a rigid ideologue? I have to agree. But I see most all of the modern right wing as that. History and facts take back seat to theories. Like the theory of supply side economics. How many times do we have to try that and see it fail before peoples ideology changes?
Center Right!
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43659
Polls that disprove the right leaning mime.
http://politicalforum.net/showthread.php?334-Poll-indicates-Americans-favor-economically-liberal-policies
92% Of Americans Are Socialists They Just Don’t Know It
http://www.politicususa.com/en/american-socialists
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 14:19
Example #1 of a far left ideologue teaching economics from a far left anti-capitalist perspective. I present Paul Krugman- columnist for the New York Times and professor of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton. Can anyone anywhere provide an example of a nationally known and recognized pro-capitalist "right wing" economics professor at a major university?
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 14:22
nyncomp--- posting polls from his faaaar left websites. Spare me.
Another link to the 92% study but better explained and with charts to help (http://www.fedupusa.org/2010/09/wealth-inequality-rivals-the-months-prior-to-the-great-depression-%E2%80%93-americans-would-prefer-a-more-evenly-distributed-wealth-system-over-80-percent-of-americans-still-feel-we-are-in-a-recessio/)
Example #1 of a far left ideologue teaching economics from a far left anti-capitalist perspective. I present Paul Krugman- columnist for the New York Times and professor of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton. Can anyone anywhere provide an example of a nationally known and recognized pro-capitalist "right wing" economics professor at a major university?
mainly because all economists agree....... Reaganomics is a failure. The ones who don't are rigid ideologues paid to toe the party line.
I personally prefer Ravi Batra
nyncomp--- posting polls from his faaaar left websites. Spare me.
Thanks for proving my point that you guys only read one side.
mainly because all economists agree....... Reaganomics is a failure.
I hate to do it...
I don't want to...
Shit, gotta!
Tell us please, oh enlightened one, why oh why did we see the LARGEST ECONOMIC PEACETIME GROWTH during the Reagan Admin if it was such a failure. Man, we keep repeating this and it's still not sinking in... [Bang]
Just a question, were you born this dense or did it develop over time?
I know for a fact that I'm not a socialist, and your source for that is a hack, I rest my case on that one with this: "Real Liberal Politics ~~ No Corporate Money, No Masters" It's their tag line. They want to convince everyone that we're not so different, we're all libby fibby socialist sheep! Bullshit! I know for a fact I'm not a socialist and believe that 1930's/40's Germany proves socialism doesn't work.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 14:33
I have proved no point whatsoever for you. You actually proved a point for me. Prove to me please that "all economists agree.........Reaganomics is a failure". A more idiotic statement I have not seen today. Just like all meteoroligists and/or climate scientists agree that global warming is caused primarily by man. Oh- by the way- if they don't believe they should have their credentials taken away. You are blinded by your own light.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 14:43
The operative word of course being ALL. As in 100%- there is no dissent. Pure, utter, unparalleled stupidity.
I hate to do it...
I don't want to...
Shit, gotta!
Tell us please, oh enlightened one, why oh why did we see the LARGEST ECONOMIC PEACETIME GROWTH during the Reagan Admin if it was such a failure. Man, we keep repeating this and it's still not sinking in... [Bang]
Just a question, were you born this dense or did it develop over time?
I know for a fact that I'm not a socialist, and your source for that is a hack, I rest my case on that one with this: "Real Liberal Politics ~~ No Corporate Money, No Masters" It's their tag line. They want to convince everyone that we're not so different, we're all libby fibby socialist sheep! Bullshit! I know for a fact I'm not a socialist and believe that 1930's/40's Germany proves socialism doesn't work.
Reagans economic growth only happened because of deficit spending. If he had cut gov spending the same amount he cut taxes, the economy would have gone into a depression.
As to what liberal economics are. I don't think you know what they are. You just repeat the right wing interpretations.
I believe in the free market..... a market were the rules are set up to allow innovation and not corruption or economies of scale like monopolies to manipulate it.
I have proved no point whatsoever for you. You actually proved a point for me. Prove to me please that "all economists agree.........Reaganomics is a failure". A more idiotic statement I have not seen today. Just like all meteoroligists and/or climate scientists agree that global warming is caused primarily by man. Oh- by the way- if they don't believe they should have their credentials taken away. You are blinded by your own light.
It's hyperbole on my part, I agree.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 14:52
Fair enough.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 15:05
nynco- maybe you've already done this and I just haven't seen it- just what is "liberal economics" in your view? You don't have to write a dissertation, keep it simple for us righties!
How many locks will I get out of this one.. [Muaha]
Slowed down the exchange of ideas with that one didn't I.. [Abused]
Just the shot across the bow..
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 15:28
tick tock tick tock
hollohas
08-04-2011, 15:35
Slowed down the exchange of ideas with that one didn't I.. [Abused]
Just the shot across the bow..
We're just trying to actually accomplish some work before the day ends now...
nynco- maybe you've already done this and I just haven't seen it- just what is "liberal economics" in your view? You don't have to write a dissertation, keep it simple for us righties!
Sneakerd.... I am not going to ignore this or you on this. I am going to start a new thread for it. I just want to think it through on how to present it. Mainly to make it easy to understand and to try and back up what I write and not make it so long.
I will say, I don't believe in what you guys think is Liberal economics. So I will draw from both sides a little and try to put forth what I think is correct.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 15:47
No-no -no. I want to know what YOU believe, not what you think the right definition is. Not trying to be nasty here. For all I know, I might agree with you on a number of things- but I don't even think your definition of liberal economics will encompass what seemingly is being shoved down our throats- at least up until the last election!
No-no -no. I want to know what YOU believe, not what you think the right definition is. Not trying to be nasty here. For all I know, I might agree with you on a number of things- but I don't even think your definition of liberal economics will encompass what seemingly is being shoved down our throats- at least up until the last election!
I'll do my best to deal with both. Promise.... I just also want to show where there is common ground.
Colorado Luckydog
08-04-2011, 16:01
I'm a conservitive and I'll leave it at that. I know better than to try to argue with the left, it's pointless. They must be defeated, no matter what it takes. They won't believe they are wrong until thay run this country all the way into the ground and then they will blame the right for their stupidity.
How the hell can you try to convince someone what is right and wrong when they believe it's okay for men to be blowing each other. Not that they are gay themselves but it's okay if everyone else is. Thar's just a small point in the scheme of things but it's a very real and valid point. Their views about life and what makes life good are just flat wrong. They must be defeated at the polls. If that doesn't work, then Lord help us. At that point there will be good men that will do what is needed, I'm sure.
I'll do my best to deal with both. Promise.... I just also want to show where there is common ground.
I would like to see the common ground. Will it be Wiki, NPR or Money Matters? I'm all for fairness, but if you cite just simply those who support your theory without being able to reasonably debunk your opponent then you serve to do nothing more than worsen your position with the opposition. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and look forward to seeing your common ground.
Colorado lucky dog seems like he lives in a world of fear.
What two guys do between two consenting adults is of no care to me. Neither should it be a care between consenting men and women either. If you want to love Jesus... then spend your time better by helping the poor and the sick. Hating gays is neither of those.
I would like to see the common ground. Will it be Wiki, NPR or Money Matters? I'm all for fairness, but if you cite just simply those who support your theory without being able to reasonably debunk your opponent then you serve to do nothing more than worsen your position with the opposition. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and look forward to seeing your common ground.
Ranger how do you prove point if you don't cite things that agree with your point? Its illogical to think otherwise.
How the hell can you try to convince someone what is right and wrong when they believe it's okay for men to be blowing each other.
I'm pretty far right myself and have no love of this type of thing but how a guy whets his pecker, as it were, isn't my business. I'm not in favor of being forced to recognize it as normal or to grant special privileges because of it, but if they want to burn in hell for all of eternity then God gave them the free will to do so. Not that I'm a bible thumper, but I am a believer.
Ranger how do you prove point if you don't cite things that agree with your point? Its illogical to think otherwise.
You want to convince me? You need to cite sources that are not so far left that it's not funny - such as you have done already. Rather, find an unbiased view who clearly takes the right side and the left side to show their shortcomings. I didn't ask you to cite things that are contrary to your point, that IS ridiculous, but don't cite things that are obviously biased in their opinion. I will NOT cite to you any sources from Fox, Rush or any other right wing pundits, because that only serves to show you that I believe what they do, rather I'll point to actual facts and figures by an unbiased party if I want to convince you. Hell, I'll even site sources from YOUR side of the fence, but not my own (unless I can also cite separate sources that back it up).
flan7211
08-04-2011, 16:17
How about in this thread we leave out all the platitudes and bravado? Conservative/Liberal seems like a better home for it.
Keynesian economics is a failure. It could work in theory, as could any economic model work, if the conditions were perfect and you started at a zero sum. For example every economist you will ever meet will start a conversation saying "well all things being equal" which they never are, but I digress. Keynes can't work because a large factor is the continual growth of industry via government stimulus. If industry is not outputting at an equal or greater rate than stimulus than the game ends with an all around loss. Obamya today is continuing a bastardization of Chicago school and Keynes. His major problem is that we are not exporting and producing enough wealth to keep pace and out grow stimulus. Therefore if he continues regulation, taxes, and "free trade" that is lop sided towards our opponents he will further stifle exports and production causing a Keynes melt down.
Chicago school (Reagan) economics is a failure. The free market was used as a wild fire to grow financial and investing markets. Which it did. The neo-liberals (Reagan,Thatcher,Friedman) began an experiment in the early 80's with the free market. The experiment was extremely effective at first bringing in large amounts of market build up and revenue for the state. But a wild fire eventually burns itself out. Industry looks at it's numbers and realizes that the cost to business here is more expensive than say china or india. They pick up and leave, build a product somewhere else than sell that product in the US. We are exporting our dollars and not our products. We get less taxes from US companies because they flee our shores. This debt crisis is a fallacy. Tax or cut good luck to either. Deficits can't be fixed by cuts alone. The real problem for Repubs is that we are attempting to fix a Keynesian problem with a Chicago answer, while the D's are doing vice versa.
The only real answer isn't in theory at all but the tried and true method that the US was built on.Protection of our market against the rest of the world. We must create either incentive or penalty towards businesses that leave. When we restrengthen our own line of defense and come home revenues will increase naturally. There are without a doubt areas to cut spending but until we have a long term solution neither argument does much other than hold the line of anger until the next election.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 16:23
Don't worry about ColoradoLuckyDog, he's like Dirty Harry- he hates everybody!![Muaha]
CrufflerSteve
08-04-2011, 16:25
One problem could be that certain economic policies are in favor right now, extremely so for Republicans, largely the same for mainstream Democraps. They are regarded as true but suppose they are snake oil?
I started reading widely in some of these areas after 2008. I'd watched my 401K diminish over the years. I hadn't paid much attention so I had it all in tech stocks in 2000 and all in mutual funds in 2008. i put in a lot to have a little.
Here's one interesting book: http://www.amazon.com/ECONned-Unenlightened-Undermined-Democracy-Capitalism/dp/0230620515/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263949691&sr=8-1
A big part of the book is devoted to showing that all theories of economics are not a science, at best a soft science. The move to mathematical models made economists feel more professions but the models were crap. They had to omit too much or make too many ultimately false assumptions.
The author, Yves Smith, has a site Naked Capitalism: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/ She might be seen as a bit lefty but a lot of her beliefs are that both parties are rotten and the connected businessmen who own them are worse.
When it comes debating here we tend to cite beliefs as facts which makes for lousy arguments.
Steve
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 16:28
Step#1 Reduce the corporate tax rates in order to entice corporations to bring the jobs BACK. The reason corporations take their jobs out of the United States is the fact that we have 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world. If I was the owner of a corporation I would try to find the best deal for the furtherance of company growth, i.e reduction in the cost of doing business while putting out a quality widget. I will take my corporation where-ever the lowest tax rates can be had. It's just good business.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 16:40
Step#2 Defund ALL gov't subsidized lobbying organizations- starting with La Raza, and including PBS. Let them live or die in the free market.
flan7211
08-04-2011, 16:45
Step#1 Reduce the corporate tax rates in order to entice corporations to bring the jobs BACK. The reason corporations take their jobs out of the United States is the fact that we have 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world. If I was the owner of a corporation I would try to find the best deal for the furtherance of company growth, i.e reduction in the cost of doing business while putting out a quality widget. I will take my corporation where-ever the lowest tax rates can be had. It's just good business.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
Thomas Jefferson (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff138493.html)
I agree that we should lower tax rates but let's think something through. Congress is established to deal with common goods not particular ones. If we allow business to ship jobs overseas, pay little in local, state and federal taxes when they do leave and then turn around and sell their crap in the US I call bull. Business is a particular interest and should be dealt with as such. Our economy, defense, and general welfare shouldn't be held hostage because some jackass at any company can make a bigger buck in another nation. Yes government needs to get off the backs of business but it's about time business stood firm for their own country not the global market place.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 16:50
Corporations and/or any privately owned business should and does stand only for ITSELF. It's the only way to grow the business. If it "stands" for the country OR the global market place it will be sucked dry and tossed aside like an apple core.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 16:53
Step#3 Re-open the Gulf of Mexico and resume drilling full power NOW. Open Anwar and other oil-rich coastal areas and drill baby drill! At the same time institute tough new safety regs and independent inspections.
Instant jobs and instant steady reduction in the price of all types of oil-based energy.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 17:10
George S. Patton
flan? isn't that a dessert?
Step#3 Re-open the Gulf of Mexico and resume drilling full power NOW. Open Anwar and other oil-rich coastal areas and drill baby drill! At the same time institute tough new safety regs and independent inspections.
Instant jobs and instant steady reduction in the price of all types of oil-based energy.
Why drill now......... wait till the world runs dry. Pump the world dry and when oil starts to really run out, then drill here. Sorry I believe in making sure America stands on top when things will eventually get worse. Oil is finite. Why waste it now? Oil does a whole hell of a lot more for our economy than just gas. Think what a world would be like without plastic.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 17:20
If you agree with Flan, likely you have never owned a business. If you had owned a business, not some little internet business but a business with employees, property, vehicles, equipment, etc, you would know that the gov't quickly becomes the enemy. This thru taxation and regulation. Year by year the gov't finds new ways to take bites out of profitability. Discourage you from hiring, literally forcing you- thru taxation and regulation- to stop growing, reduce benefits and just try to survive. This is the plight of small businesses today. Thru profit- small businesses become big businesses and employ more as they grow.
flan7211
08-04-2011, 17:27
If you agree with Flan, likely you have never owned a business. If you had owned a business, not some little internet business but a business with employees, property, vehicles, equipment, etc, you would know that the gov't quickly becomes the enemy. This thru taxation and regulation. Year by year the gov't finds new ways to take bites out of profitability. Discourage you from hiring, literally forcing you- thru taxation and regulation- to stop growing, reduce benefits and just try to survive. This is the plight of small businesses today. Thru profit- small businesses become big businesses and employ more as they grow.
Listen up guy we're talking public/government policy. Of course it makes sense from a business perspective. But we are talking a government perspective. Agreed gov't needs to get off their backs if they're here at home, doing business at home. I meant penalize companies that screw the pooch and leave then make profits back here at home. It is without a doubt a two sided problem. Over regulation on the one side and the trend to run over seas on the others.
flan7211
08-04-2011, 17:31
Corporations and/or any privately owned business should and does stand only for ITSELF. It's the only way to grow the business. If it "stands" for the country OR the global market place it will be sucked dry and tossed aside like an apple core.
Is that why so many companies had so much riding on GATT, NAFTA, and bailouts from the WTO and governments abroad? Corporations care very much about themselves and use what ever influence they can to make sure govt's assist them. A successful company today doesn't see the govt as the enemy but as a partner in a bank heist. Screw em both with a stick govt and big business.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 17:36
Listen up guy?
Regarding drilling for fossil fuels. The need is there and the oil will be drilled and pumped out of the Earth, whether it is here or in the sandbox.
That is reality. So lets start drilling here again, make us less dependant on foreign sources (isn't that the mantra? Listen up!). Bring the jobs back, put Americans back to work. Plastic. Until one of you scientists
create or discover a new chemical element, until you find something as cheap, lightweight and strong, it is here to stay. Imagine a world without plastics. Hmmmm- better listen up and look around from where-ever you're sitting. Make the plastic disappear in your mind. Fun.
flan7211
08-04-2011, 17:37
Listen up guy? Sorry didn't mean to be a wise guy.[ROFL1]
Regarding drilling for fossil fuels. The need is there and the oil will be drilled and pumped out of the Earth, whether it is here or in the sandbox.
That is reality. So lets start drilling here again, make us less dependant on foreign sources (isn't that the mantra? Listen up!). Bring the jobs back, put Americans back to work. Plastic. Until one of you scientists
create or discover a new chemical element, until you find something as cheap, lightweight and strong, it is here to stay. Imagine a world without plastics. Hmmmm- better listen up and look around from where-ever you're sitting. Make the plastic disappear in your mind. Fun.
I completely agree with this.
Sorry but things are a little bad now but will get FAR worse. Once oil really runs dry there will be next to no trade in it. Countries will horde it for national interest reasons.
Plan for the future.
I agree with Flan, the only way to have a healthy economy is if we return to a nation that imports raw materials (oil one of them) and exports finished goods.
Fuck free trade. I want Fair Trade.
flan7211
08-04-2011, 17:43
Sorry but things are a little bad now but will get FAR worse. Once oil really runs dry there will be next to no trade in it. Countries will horde it for national interest reasons.
Plan for the future.
I agree with Flan, the only way to have a healthy economy is if we return to a nation that imports raw materials (oil one of them) and exports finished goods.
Fuck free trade. I want Fair Trade.
I don't mind using our own raw materials as long as we are keeping ahead of others in new technologies to replace them. Fair trade the real way, we win. Not the boulderite give the columbian blanket maker a chance.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 17:48
Step#4 Institute the National Flat Tax.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 17:54
Soooo nynco- we should only import oil and not produce it. Soooo we should totally rely on imports- i.e. foreign sources for our energy needs and produce -0- Zerooo. This is a recipe for slavery. Our slavery. Wait- I see your evil plan- we suck dry the foreign sources- since we're not producing any energy- until they are on their knees before us. Then we begin again to produce, wildly inflating prices!!!! FANTASTIC! You're much smarter than I took you for!
Soooo nynco- we should only import oil and not produce it. Soooo we should totally rely on imports- i.e. foreign sources for our energy needs and produce -0- Zerooo. This is a recipe for slavery. Our slavery. Wait- I see your evil plan- we suck dry the foreign sources- since we're not producing any energy- until they are on their knees before us. Then we begin again to produce, wildly inflating prices!!!! FANTASTIC! You're much smarter than I took you for!
Exactly... America first.
flan7211
08-04-2011, 18:00
Exactly... America first.
Taking away a name such as the late 1930's isolationist America First Party, I would love a party that put America first.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 18:11
Genius... sheer genius.[Beer]
flan7211
08-04-2011, 18:13
Genius... sheer genius.[Beer]
Sarcasm?[Muaha]
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 18:15
I was only referring to my own posts.[ROFL1]
n8tive97
08-04-2011, 20:00
I hate to do it...
I don't want to...
Shit, gotta!
Tell us please, oh enlightened one, why oh why did we see the LARGEST ECONOMIC PEACETIME GROWTH during the Reagan Admin if it was such a failure. Man, we keep repeating this and it's still not sinking in... [Bang]
Just a question, were you born this dense or did it develop over time?
I know for a fact that I'm not a socialist, and your source for that is a hack, I rest my case on that one with this: "Real Liberal Politics ~~ No Corporate Money, No Masters" It's their tag line. They want to convince everyone that we're not so different, we're all libby fibby socialist sheep! Bullshit! I know for a fact I'm not a socialist and believe that 1930's/40's Germany proves socialism doesn't work.
The problem with socialism, is that you run out of other peoples money!
Right on point here!
The problem with socialism, is that you run out of other peoples money!
Right on point here!
The problem with No rules Capitalism is, you run eventually only have one guy with all the money and power. Everyone else........ Capitalism says you can starve and die.
Welcome to modern feudalism. End of the country.....
Tor Larson
08-04-2011, 20:40
No really Rush is clinically deaf because he took too much Oxycontin. He pushes the war on drugs while he himself is a synthetic heroin addict. Oxycontin is synthetic heroin. Remember the scandal where he sent his maid to buy his drugs.
Oxycontin is NOT synthetic heroin. You are listening to BS press misinformation. Check your Pharmacology. Both heroin and oxycodone are SEMI-SYNTHETIC opioids... Coming from either morphine or thebaine- all opium based. Oxycontin is the time released version of oxycodone. Both drugs come from your poster boy country that you love because of their medical system...Germany. They invented heroin, oxycodone, zyclon b, methadone. What a great country! Synthetic heroin...try Dilaudid or Methadone.
Heroin has over twice the kick of oxycodone when mainlined but way less kick when taken by mouth...converted to morphine before it hits the brain. Oxycodone is 3-4 times as potent as morphine by mouth.
It is possible that Rush lost his hearing from acetaminophen (Tylenol) use. Narcotics DO NOT cause hearing loss!!!! Been studying narcs for 20 years and have never heard any evidence proving this. Now, if Rush was taking large doses of Vicodin/Lortab , which has acetaminophen, then hearing loss is possible. Any drug, even OTC, can cause problems.
sneakerd
08-04-2011, 20:40
I was actually referring to nynco's bold plan for world domination- sheer genius![Weight]
I was actually referring to nynco's bold plan for world domination- sheer genius![Weight]
Hey man... America first.
As to Rush... you are correct Oxy will not cause hearing loss. But Rush was and is a drug abuser for more than just that. As to Oxy not being heroin. You are correct. But I did not want to get super specific. I was referring to same family meaning opiods and there side effects and addiction patterns.
But Rush was and is a drug abuser for more than just that. As to Oxy not being heroin. You are correct. But I did not want to get super specific. I was referring to same family meaning opiods and there side effects and addiction patterns.
Where do you get your information Nynco? Aside from the right wing hating sites that you look at, where do you get the Rush is STILL using drugs? If I went with that kind of logic, I might say that Obama is still using coke and having homosexual parties since that's a rumor in the mill as well. AND you are all knowing about the effects of Oxy but didn't want to bore us with the details - or is it that you jumped to the conclusion with no facts and acquiesced when someone who knows the answer quite well called you on it? For that matter, what left wing blog did you read that says it was caused by Oxy and not the actual auto-immune inner ear disease that he has that had actually caused his hearing loss? Just because SOME people have THEORIZED that his hearing loss MIGHT be caused by drug use, all that the Rush haters hear is "ahhh, druggie went deaf because of drugs". Funny.
By the way, I don't really like Rush all that much, I think he's a blow hard, but it never ceases to amaze me how people will just simply attack someone with no proof just because they don't agree with what they are saying.
sneakerd
08-05-2011, 08:22
nynco seems to specialize in hyperbole.
funkfool
08-05-2011, 08:31
I find it quite amazing how short these types of threads are when you know how to properly employ the Ignore button.
[Wave][Neene2][Wave]
http://dir.salon.com/news/feature/2003/10/07/rush_drugs/
OLD NEWS....circa 2003
The Daily News reported that Limbaugh's former housekeeper claims to have supplied him with massive quantities of OxyContin, Lorcet and hydrocodone between 1998 and 2002.
Lorcet -- which, like Vicodin, is a mixture of hydrocodone and acetaminophen -- has been linked to sudden and profound hearing loss in patients who misuse or abuse the drug. First in 1999 and then more forcefully in the summer of 2001, physicians at the House Ear Clinic in Los Angeles warned doctors and consumers of a "possible correlation between permanent hearing loss" and hydrocodone-acetaminophen combinations such as Lorcet and Vicodin. The Los Angeles Times reported in September 2001 that doctors at House and other Southern California medical facilities had identified 48 patients who suffered hearing loss after taking exceptionally high doses of the drugs.
Coincidentally -- or not -- Limbaugh turned to the House Ear Institute after he began experiencing what doctors there called "rapidly progressive hearing loss" in May 2001.
http://dir.salon.com/news/feature/2003/10/07/rush_drugs/
OLD NEWS....circa 2003
So Salon.Com citing the Daily News - my what newsworthy, credible and completely unbiased organizations you cite from. Again, the article says that it MAY have caused, COULD have caused, not DID cause. Hell, my mother told me that jerking off would cause me to go blind, therefore should I then assume that all blind people wanked themselves into that condition? Well, for people who hate Rush, it's quite obvious he pill popped his way to hearing loss. For them it's sweet victory that the right wing figurehead is addicted to pain killers and paid the price for his lavish lifestyle and lies. For those of us who neither hate nor love Rush, the medical explanation makes far more sense.
I'm not sure I can debate with you Nynco. No matter what, you turn to left wing blogs as sources for your "news", "facts", "information" and general outlook on the utopian America. You must debate with some really blind sheeple (probably wanked themselves blind) who actually believe these things and don't do any independent research rather than just take your word for it - maybe that is why you throw out these "undisputed facts" of yours.
nynco seems to specialize in hyperbole.
Yes, indeed. Everything is FACTUAL from him too. How many times have I heard that EVERYONE agrees or ACTUAL FACTS AND FIGURES only to find out it's a quote from a blog. Please.
I find it quite amazing how short these types of threads are when you know how to properly employ the Ignore button.
[Wave][Neene2][Wave]
It's like a train wreck, really. He is on my ignore list but I keep showing his threads anyway to see what weird stuff he comes up with. I need better self control apparently!
Zundfolge
08-05-2011, 09:01
I find it quite amazing how short these types of threads are when you know how to properly employ the Ignore button.
[Wave][Neene2][Wave]
Yeah ... I've been arguing with these leftists for the better part of 3 decades ... they chant the same BS over and over in their kool-aid induced trance ... I'm tired and they NEVER seem to wake up (well a bunch did when some muzzies stole some airplanes and killed thousands, but that's the only time I've seen it happen, and half of them promptly went back to sleep chanting "Bush Lied, People Died" and "No Blood for Oil!").
So yeah, I'm with you there and I'm probably going to get more done today as a result. [Beer]
At the risk of getting all religious here; Mark 4:3-9
I am glad I started this thread, I don't know if anyone has noticed, but the number of political threads on the site has died down considerably in lieu of ranting here. Whoever is right or wrong, delusional or not, debate is good and I'm glad we have a place for it where anyone who is not interested can simply skip the thread rather than have to be pulled into the mud on every thread they read.
Since this is a rant thread, THIS is how stupid and delusional liberals are:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/08/05/matt-damons-silly-teacher-rant/?test=faces
tmleadr03
08-05-2011, 09:19
Since this is a rant thread, THIS is how stupid and delusional liberals are:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/08/05/matt-damons-silly-teacher-rant/?test=faces
Matt Damon, Damoooooooooon.
That Matt Damon piece was horrible. It was nothing more than a hack piece aimed against teachers. Seriously, why does the right wing hate teachers so much?
So Salon.Com citing the Daily News - my what newsworthy, credible and completely unbiased organizations you cite from. Again, the article says that it MAY have caused, COULD have caused, not DID cause. Hell, my mother told me that jerking off would cause me to go blind, therefore should I then assume that all blind people wanked themselves into that condition? Well, for people who hate Rush, it's quite obvious he pill popped his way to hearing loss. For them it's sweet victory that the right wing figurehead is addicted to pain killers and paid the price for his lavish lifestyle and lies. For those of us who neither hate nor love Rush, the medical explanation makes far more sense.
I'm not sure I can debate with you Nynco. No matter what, you turn to left wing blogs as sources for your "news", "facts", "information" and general outlook on the utopian America. You must debate with some really blind sheeple (probably wanked themselves blind) who actually believe these things and don't do any independent research rather than just take your word for it - maybe that is why you throw out these "undisputed facts" of yours.
Would you prefer World Net Daily? Can't get more right wing than that.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=21251
Did drugs cause
Rush's deafness?
Limbaugh's doctor: Connection possible
between pain pills, host's loss of hearing
Talk-show host Rush Limbaugh's doctor has spoken out about the possible link between the radio phenom's admitted addiction to pain-killing medication and his having suddenly gone deaf two years ago.
Would you prefer World Net Daily? Can't get more right wing than that.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=21251
Did drugs cause
Rush's deafness?
Limbaugh's doctor: Connection possible
between pain pills, host's loss of hearing
Talk-show host Rush Limbaugh's doctor has spoken out about the possible link between the radio phenom's admitted addiction to pain-killing medication and his having suddenly gone deaf two years ago.
Lord, man POSSIBLE, POSSIBLE, MAYBE, COULD HAVE. All I'm trying to say is that you say IT HAPPENED, and even the sources you cite all say IT COULD HAPPEN and not that it DID HAPPEN.
It is POSSIBLE that that a stray bullet fell from space and killed a guy in his living room, but MORE LIKELY that his wife, with the smoking gun in her hand, with ballistics that matched, did it.
Yikes!
That Matt Damon piece was horrible. It was nothing more than a hack piece aimed against teachers. Seriously, why does the right wing hate teachers so much?
Seriously, that's what you got out of that? Seriously? Why do we hate PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS? Because they are a spoiled union that has turned our kids in to roving morons (didn't Matt Damon say he attended public school - and look at how HE turned out). I know some excellent public school teachers, my wifes mom was one, but that doesn't change the fact that they have no accountability for doing a good job. It's our KIDS we're talking about.
I was yanked from public schools because of how bad they sucked, put into a private school, moved and had to go to public school again for one semester and they wanted to skip me 3 grades because that is the level I was at compared to other kids, my mother wouldn't let them because it would have been too socially awkward to have me that much younger than my classmates. Public schools are shafting kids - sure plenty come out excellent, but those are kids who went beyond what the school did and not the school pushing them to their potential.
Fine Ranger....... who cares if it can be proven if he lost his hearing from it. This is like arguing over a splinter instead of the gunshot.
Rush is a drug abuser who at the same time tells his audience that drug abusers should be in jail.
He's a hypocrite piece of garbage.
Seriously, that's what you got out of that? Seriously? Why do we hate PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS? Because they are a spoiled union that has turned our kids in to roving morons (didn't Matt Damon say he attended public school - and look at how HE turned out). I know some excellent public school teachers, my wifes mom was one, but that doesn't change the fact that they have no accountability for doing a good job. It's our KIDS we're talking about.
I was yanked from public schools because of how bad they sucked, put into a private school, moved and had to go to public school again for one semester and they wanted to skip me 3 grades because that is the level I was at compared to other kids, my mother wouldn't let them because it would have been too socially awkward to have me that much younger than my classmates. Public schools are shafting kids - sure plenty come out excellent, but those are kids who went beyond what the school did and not the school pushing them to their potential.
How Damon turned out? He's fucking rich and doing just fine. The truth of the matter is public schools suck because they have to teach all students. Including the tards who will never learn. That wastes a lot of time and energy that could be better put on students who are good. The right wing likes to only look at the kids who do bad and blame that on the unions. Truth is the tards just don't get it, you can blame genetics for that. Blaming teachers is just pure BS.
hollohas
08-05-2011, 09:50
Teachers have ZERO accountability. No incentive to do a good job. There are good teachers and there are good students. There are bad students who will never learn but there are also bad teachers who will never teach...we need to get rid of the bad teachers. But they are protected...
I went to public school and learned pretty much nothing. I had to figure out how to be a good student when I went to college. And thank God I went to engineering school and not liberal arts. You can't argue math but everything in Liberal arts school is up for debate.
I'm no rush apologist. He guy has some problems that turns me off to him. But if he's a drug abuser so is Obama, who himself admits to smoking pot. People do stupid shit and people get addicted to stuff. It doesn't necessarily make them evil or a criminal. I see it in the pharmacy daily. I know pharmacists who have become so addicted they steal it and lose their 120k a year job. It's sad. Many people have abused drugs. We should commend the ones that stop and get help.
As far as teachers go, the problem the right has with them is that they are a bunch of spoiled brats. At the higher level they are partisan idiots that dictate our kids learn stupid and useless material, often from a particular slant. There are good teachers out there just like there are good people of Medicaid, but many have becomE fat and lazy from being spoiled rotten. Still more go into teaching for he summers off and in some cities the gross over payment. My wife is a teacher as are two of my aunts, my mother in law, my brother in law and my father in law is a professor at a state university. I don't think a single one would disagree that our public school system is shit and part of the problem is the teachers themselves. It's like every other government organization. It got too powerful, too spoiled and too protected. It produced what one would expect, lazy and spoiled teachers. There are good hard working ones out there but the unions and bums make it impossible for them to do their job. I see that daily with my wife
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Halftime Joke Time.
What the opposite of Christopher Reeves?
Christopher Walken!
On your Mark.........get set........... Argue!
Fine Ranger....... who cares if it can be proven if he lost his hearing from it. This is like arguing over a splinter instead of the gunshot.
Rush is a drug abuser who at the same time tells his audience that drug abusers should be in jail.
He's a hypocrite piece of garbage.
tmleadr03
08-05-2011, 10:14
How Damon turned out? He's fucking rich and doing just fine. The truth of the matter is public schools suck because they have to teach all students. Including the tards who will never learn. That wastes a lot of time and energy that could be better put on students who are good. The right wing likes to only look at the kids who do bad and blame that on the unions. Truth is the tards just don't get it, you can blame genetics for that. Blaming teachers is just pure BS.
Why, why did I click on show post.
The truth of the matter is that when you reward mediocrity you get more of the same. When everyone is treated the same why should you excel. Teachers have no reward system for anything but keeping their head down and passing students. Then getting tenure and fuck it I cant be fired. But I want a pay raise. If teachers were rewarded for their students performance then we would not be paying so much for idiots.
You are someone who I believe was a victim of the public school system.
How Damon turned out? He's fucking rich and doing just fine.
And there it is, finally, we understand. So you are implying that the level of a mans success and intelligence is based upon his social and economic status. He's rich, so we should all consider him a success huh? He's a good looking guy who has acting talent, THAT made him a success - not the public school system.
By this measure of a mans success, I'm then quite the enigma. I drive a $100K Mercedes, so I MUST be smart and successful. My two graduate degrees didn't make me successful or intelligent, my car does. The fact that I know the difference between when to use "there" and "their" is the result of a private education, not public. However, I am not in the public eye nor do I make a million dollars a day, so I am not AS successful as Matt Dufus. I would argue that I'm far more successful and that the bank account or public stage does not make the man.
So forget about the two incidents this week where Matt Damon showed that he is dumb as a box of rocks and has absolutely no clue about any issues outside of his little followers circle - he's Ok because he's rich and famous. The public school system didn't fail him so much that he hasn't a clue, it taught him how to act on screen. Got it. When quizzed about why teachers should not be held to account the same as any other job got he same reaction out of Matt Damon as we see in so many uneducated liberals, and that is to blindly attack the person asking the question rather than have to be challenged to support your position logically, intelligently and in an informed way. THAT is always how the uneducated will react to being put into a position to defend their indefensible position.
tmleadr03
08-05-2011, 10:18
Seriously, that's what you got out of that? Seriously? Why do we hate PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS? Because they are a spoiled union that has turned our kids in to roving morons (didn't Matt Damon say he attended public school - and look at how HE turned out). I know some excellent public school teachers, my wifes mom was one, but that doesn't change the fact that they have no accountability for doing a good job. It's our KIDS we're talking about.
I was yanked from public schools because of how bad they sucked, put into a private school, moved and had to go to public school again for one semester and they wanted to skip me 3 grades because that is the level I was at compared to other kids, my mother wouldn't let them because it would have been too socially awkward to have me that much younger than my classmates. Public schools are shafting kids - sure plenty come out excellent, but those are kids who went beyond what the school did and not the school pushing them to their potential.
This is what you are paying for with public education.
http://www.bizzyblog.com/WhyWeBannedLego_RethinkingSchools_Wtr2006.html
Why, why did I click on show post.
I keep asking myself the same question...
Teachers have no reward system for anything but keeping their head down and passing students.
Precisely.
You are someone who I believe was a victim of the public school system.
Now that's funny right there!
This is what you are paying for with public education.
http://www.bizzyblog.com/WhyWeBanned...s_Wtr2006.html (http://www.bizzyblog.com/WhyWeBannedLego_RethinkingSchools_Wtr2006.html)
That was a very interesting article, thanks for sharing that!
the funniest thing is that in just the short 15 years or so since i was in system, it has changed to this "we don't want to hurt poor timmy's feelings" crap where its literally impossible to fail kids and kids don't get A's and B's anymore in many schools, in stead they get BS PC grades such as meets expectations, exceeds expectations, needs work, blah blah blah. this country is so worried about hurting someone's feelings, its ridiculous. when my brother decided to get his P.E. certification as well on top of his teaching degree, they told him in class he can't play sports that are too phsyical, like dodgeball, or ones where kids pick teams because it can hurt their feelings. they also told him not to do physical tests such as sit ups and push ups because it might hurt someone's feelings if they can't do any. are you kidding me? some of these kids need their feelings hurt so they experience the real world and hopefully take some personal responsibility to better themselves both physical and academically. we live in upside down world, i swear.
The most radical revolutionary will become a conservative the day after the revolution."
--Hannah Arendt,
German-American political theorist
tmleadr03
08-05-2011, 10:32
That was a very interesting article, thanks for sharing that!
Interesting? Made my head explode. Then I posted it on my facebook page and got into a long drawn out 32 reply conversation with a bunch of hippies over it. Currently waiting over a week now for a reply to my last three page typed out in Word reply. I am sure that will make my head explode again. I need to stock up on BP meds.
Interesting? Made my head explode. Then I posted it on my facebook page and got into a long drawn out 32 reply conversation with a bunch of hippies over it. Currently waiting over a week now for a reply to my last three page typed out in Word reply. I am sure that will make my head explode again. I need to stock up on BP meds.
It was only interesting in that it was an interesting social experiment. Interesting READ, not something I agree with. I like to expand my mind.
the funniest thing is that in just the short 15 years or so since i was in system, it has changed to this "we don't want to hurt poor timmy's feelings" crap where its literally impossible to fail kids and kids don't get A's and B's anymore in many schools, in stead they get BS PC grades such as meets expectations, exceeds expectations, needs work, blah blah blah. this country is so worried about hurting someone's feelings, its ridiculous. when my brother decided to get his P.E. certification as well on top of his teaching degree, they told him in class he can't play sports that are too phsyical, like dodgeball, or ones where kids pick teams because it can hurt their feelings. they also told him not to do physical tests such as sit ups and push ups because it might hurt someone's feelings if they can't do any. are you kidding me? some of these kids need their feelings hurt so they experience the real world and hopefully take some personal responsibility to better themselves both physical and academically. we live in upside down world, i swear.
This. Its primetime for libtard pussification of our children. One day we will go to war with out enemies armed only with pillows and stuffed animals and they all will laugh at how weak we are... Kids need to have their feelings hurt, their knees skinned, their fat bellies made fun of, it builds character. I'm a product of public school- I was harassed in a similar fashion to Dylan Kelbold and Eric Harris, I was made fun of because I was short and skinny, I got hurt playing football, broke bones playing hockey, and learned the importance of teamwork and self-reliance through team and individual sports. I had great teachers, I had mediocre teachers, and I had terrible teachers (namely one that somehow couldn't teach math and thus I struggle at a college level on that subject today- but learned to teach myself when there is an absence). So to say that everyone who went to public school is moronic and we need to stop paying them as much- I find the flaw and call bullshit. I have had people say I'm among the smartest of my age and social demographic (not trying to toot my own horn, just what I've heard), others say I should run for public office one day because I'm mentally capable of figuring out a solution to so many problems... what do I do instead? I work the family business and strive for my BA in History and get a teaching cert so I can substitute teach part time and maybe, just maybe impart some actual usable knowledge on our next few generations so they don't all come out libtard drones. /rant
tmleadr03
08-05-2011, 11:09
It was only interesting in that it was an interesting social experiment. Interesting READ, not something I agree with. I like to expand my mind.
The blatant indoctrination of our kids shown in that article are scary to say the least, though it does explain a lot of the conversations I have with people.
The blatant indoctrination of our kids shown in that article are scary to say the least, though it does explain a lot of the conversations I have with people.
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