Can someone help me find the crime here?

[Mobat555]

ICE agents confiscate 34,500 rounds from Downtown pawn shop (http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_18612589)


allegedly sold and repackaged all 34,500 rounds, along with 180 large-capacity magazines, to undercover ICE agents, according to a news release from the U.S. Attorney's Office, Western District of Texas

[nynco]

Intent.... if the officers were posing as drug runners for the cartels than the shop broke a TON of firearms laws.

[hollohas]

Sounds like they arrested them for breaking Mexican law.


"It's a very serious case because it (the ammunition) is the type for the exclusive use of the military" under Mexican law, Torres said.

But also sounds like they have evidence the sellers knew it was going across the border. I'm not sure if that's illegal or not.

If the just sold a "large quantity" of ammo with no intentions other than to make money then I don't see a crime...

[nynco]

Sounds like they arrested them for breaking Mexican law.



But also sounds like they have evidence the sellers knew it was going across the border. I'm not sure if that's illegal or not.

If the just sold a "large quantity" of ammo with no intentions other than to make money then I don't see a crime...

Exporting ammo or firearms or even parts of either is illegal under current US arms laws. Does not matter if you are a private citizen or not. The fact that this was a business makes it even more illegal. If they posed as a cartel or something like that wanting to make a bulk purchase then they have grounds to go after them. The case could go either way depending on proof.

[scratchy]

"The indictments also said "the defendants, knowing that the goods would be smuggled into Mexico, allegedly repacked the ammunition from its original factory rigid cardboard boxes into taped bundles or plastic bags to make it easier to conceal from authorities."

There it is

[jscwerve]

I don't see a problem stopping it. I see a problem with the journalism here though. What the hell os an "assault caliber" bullet? So a .308 bolt gun is now an assault rifle?

[cofi]

"The indictments also said "the defendants, knowing that the goods would be smuggled into Mexico, allegedly repacked the ammunition from its original factory rigid cardboard boxes into taped bundles or plastic bags to make it easier to conceal from authorities."

There it is


this......

[Monky]

Evil Brass Bullets?

[nynco]

Laws about exporting weapons and arms trafficking have been on the books for hundreds of years.

[OneGuy67]

My agency assists in training of some Mexican federal police, usually every year. They have stated they cannot get ammunition through their system for training, and in some cases, for duty use. So, they cross the border and go to stores and buy ammo and then 'keister' them and cross back over the border.

It is pretty sad that even the guys trying to be the good guys cannot get the help they need from their government entities.

My question to them always is, do you rattle when you walk? [ROFL2]

[SA Friday]

ITAR violations. The journalist and majority of the readers have no idea that ITAR exists. Most FFLs and a lot of shooters have heard of it through social exposure.

[hammer03]

I don't see a problem stopping it. I see a problem with the journalism here though. What the hell os an "assault caliber" bullet? So a .308 bolt gun is now an assault rifle?
Thats what I was thinking.


At least 34,500 rounds of assault-caliber ammunition were seized by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents as part of an undercover ammunition smuggling investigation, resulting in a raid on a Downtown pawn shop.

[sniper7]

Sounds like the business knew it was going somewhere it was supposed to go. if they would have left it in the original packaging and played dumb that is one thing, but repacking is too suspicious and pretty much sets them up for conviction.

[alan0269]

Is it that they were falsely labeling needles as bullets:

.30-millimeter bullets

three tenths of a millimeter would make a pretty darn small bullet.

Otherwise, there seems to be plenty of legal reason for the action to be taken.

[SAnd]

So a .308 bolt gun is now an assault rifle?
Welcome to the world of High Power Sniper Rifles !!

The brady bunch has been calling them that for a number of years.

[Jumpstart]

It's pretty simple. Legalize in Mexico. Mexico has an appetite for ammunition. The war on ammunition/firearms has been a huge failure in Mexico.
(insert tongue in cheek, whatever the hell that idiomatic expression means)

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

I've been saying we should just annex Mexico and make it a protectorate for years....set up some bases, smash the cartels, and drop the border. Make all the laws here laws there, etc.

There is plenty of mines, farmland, and industry down there to make it worthwhile.....everyone down there apparently wants what we have up here,and we already send billions of dollars down there yearly. All that is missing is the paperwork to make it look good on books and the muscle in place to back it up.


Back on track, I think they are going to prosecute on intent. Kind of stupid though, that our tax dollars pay for this shite. Why do we care so much about Mexico when we have too many problems to list in our own house?

[Milt]

Funny how everyone in law enforcement ignores the words, "...shall not be infringed." found in one section of the laws that supposedly govern the government. While lawyers can weasel it to death, that phrase is rather easy to understand - it simply means that the right cannot be violated, even a little bit. Further, there is no language in the Second Amendment, nor anywhere else in the Constitution about 'compelling government interest' giving the government permission to ignore this or any other part of the Constitution.

Early Supreme Court opinion (so far not overturned) has it that any statute or regulation that either violates a protected right (at all levels of government, according to the Fourteenth Amendment) or exceeds the issuing federal government body's authority (specifically granted by the Constitution, according to the Tenth Amendment) is not a law. To enforce such statute or regulation is to violate the rights of a citizen 'under color of law', which 'enforcement' constitutes a federal crime.

[SA Friday]

Law enforcement don't write laws, they enforce laws.

Laws are written primarily by congress. They are under no legal obligation to ensure their law complies with the constitution nor any other law currently in use. They are under moral obligation only. Any law found to conflict with the constitution must be challenged and found to be in conflict before overruled. Until then, or rendered obsolete by a new law, it's enforceable.

The second amendment was not considered, nor ever ruled, an individual right until the DC v Heller supreme court ruling just a couple years ago. The 14th amendment was written in the late 1860s. There was quite a bit of time in between those two events, and the baggage-along-the-way as Judge Kennedy termed it has let to be resolved after the Heller ruling. Until it has been, you're jumping the gun swinging the 14th around like a dead cat.

There are restrictions on all all kinds of individual rights granted by the constitution. Simply because they restrict doesnt mean they violate. You have confused the two to mean the same thing. They don't.

as for the 10th, how can ITAR, a federal law, be in violation of the 10th amendment?

Did you post in the right thread, or did you just want to rant about.... What again was your point?