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UberTong
08-10-2011, 10:53
Fellas-

Let me preface this by saying I'm not posting this to stir the pot or piss anyone off. This gal, Ann Barnhardt, was a friend of a friend of my family and I actually had an in law work for her at one point. I check in her site from time to time, some I agree with, some is too far for me. Call this whatever you want, I'd like to hear opinions on this, whether its trash, it could happen, whatever. It's pretty damn shocking to think about, maybe I'm too naive to think it could happen, or what...I don't know. Tear it up.

Here it is:

Her website is www.barnhardt.biz (http://www.barnhardt.biz/)

The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 1)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - August 6, AD 2011 4:08 PM MST
You're damn right I said it.
On May 5th I had an email conversation with a retired military man with spook contacts. All were in total agreement that the Bin Laden episode was pure theater. The SEALS were sent into a compound as evidenced by the lost chopper on site. But Osama Bin Laden wasn't in that compound. Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years. Bin Laden had a genetic condition that caused renal failure (this genetic condition is common among deeply inbred Saudi arab muslims). Bin Laden had been on dialysis BEFORE 9/11. Dialysis is difficult enough for people in first world countries who can have it done in outstanding facilities. Bin Laden was having it done either in caves or in homes post 9/11. People in renal failure having dialysis done in fricking caves do NOT live for ten more years. Period. There was no dialysis equipment found in the compound the SEALS raided on May 2. Of course there wasn't. Bin Laden wasn't in that compound because Bin Laden has been dead for years.
This is why the "body" was declared "positively identified" faster than any known DNA testing process in existence - and this DNA testing was carried out not in a lab mind you, but inside Chinook and/or V-22 Osprey helos en route to the USS Carl Vinson. The body was then dumped into the Indian Ocean in a mad dash to ensure that "burial" took place within 24 hours of death in order to "honor" musloid burial traditions. Not a single picture of the so-called "Bin Laden corpse" has ever been released - and never will.
The entire Bin Laden episode was stagecraft. It was pure theater that was designed to give Obama a boost in the polls and give distraction and cover. Distract from what? Cover from what?
April 20, 2011: The release date of Dr. Jerome Corsi's book, "Where's the Birth Certificate" is announced as May 17, and pre-sales begin on Amazon.com. Corsi's work is known to be extremely thorough and meticulous. Within hours, Corsi's book is #1 on Amazon.com - fully 28 days before its release. The Obama regime is panicked.
April 27, 2011: In order to diffuse and undercut the Corsi book, the Obama regime releases a PDF image purported to be a scan of his original long-form Hawaiian birth certificate. Within hours, thousands of graphic designers, many of whom are self-professed Obama voters and supporters, isolate and demonstrate with dozens of objective proof sets that the PDF released by the Obama regime is not just a forgery, but an astoundingly incompetent and obvious forgery.
April 27 through May 2: The Obama regime is now in a blind panic. Deeming it too risky, instead of commissioning the forged birth certificate from document and photo illustration experts within the CIA or NSA, the Obama regime instead farmed the project off on someone inside the White House with a functional but middling knowledge of photo illustration programs. To the thoroughly inexpert eyes of Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and Valerie Jarrett, the forged certificate file appeared extremely convincing, and was thus released with fanfare. Within hours, they knew that they had not only made a mistake, but a massive mistake that could land them all in prison. The forger was so incompetent that he/she didn’t even flatten the image thus compressing and masking the component layers before posting it. And that was just the tip of the iceberg of glaring flaws and errors. The mainstream press was, so far, completely complicit in the cover-up of the forgery, but Rathergate proved that if the forgery debunking generated any mainstream traction whatsoever, the end could come swiftly. The Obama regime needed a big distraction and they needed it fast. They had been planning on holding the staged Bin Laden capture and killing until 2012 – for the thick of the campaign, and perhaps as an “October Surprise”, but it would have to be moved up to now.
May 2, 2011: The Bin Laden operation occurs. In all likelihood, a low-to-mid level Taliban or insurgent leader is killed.
May 3, 2011: Within hours, Vice President Joe Biden destroys any notions of OPSEC and bellows to the entire world in public remarks at a dinner at the Ritz Carlton that the Bin Laden raid was carried out by “the SEALS”. Within hours Obama regime had gleefully leaked that the raid was carried out by “SEAL Team 6”, also known as DEVGRU. Up until this point in history, all DEVGRU activities and information had been highly classified. Now the term “SEAL Team 6” was blasted across every newspaper in the world, with Disney even moving to trademark the name. The Obama regime wanted the ENTIRE WORLD to know the name “SEAL Team 6”.
May 5, 2011: As I said earlier, I conversed with retired military contact with spook contacts regarding the obvious theatrics of the Bin Laden episode and the need for a cover-up by the Obama regime. The conversation ended with the following exchange:
Ann: I’m on the US Military casualty email list. It would be NO PROBLEM to “hide” casualties. It’s a steady stream out of Afghanistan.
Contact: look for training accidents in the eastern mountains.
May 6, 2011: Obama travels to Ft. Campbell, KY to openly “meet and congratulate” SEAL Team 6 members. This receives huge press coverage, and the press declares the incident “a huge boost [for Obama] going into 2012.”
The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 2)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - August 6, AD 2011 4:07 PM MST
August 6, 2011: A Chinook helo is shot down in Tangi, Wardak Province, Afghanistan. Within hours, before family notifications could possibly have been completed, global press accounts positively confirm that 22 of the 30 Americans killed were not just SEALS, but members of SEAL Team 6. Again, DEVGRU operations have been, up until now, highly classified. Today, the Obama regime made a point of immediately revealing the unit identities of the SPECOPS forces among the dead.
In the past, DEVGRU men and other SPECOPS men have been killed in action, but their missions were so secret and so crucial to OPSEC that their deaths were covered-up by the government and attributed to such things as “training accidents” and the like – and I have no problem with that. These men understand going in to intense units such as DEVGRU that OPSEC is paramount, that they will never be publicly acknowledged for their heroism, and that if they are killed or captured in action, the government will lie about that in order to protect OPSEC and to prevent the enemy from gaining a propaganda and morale coup. Compare that reality with what happened today. The Obama regime distributed this information, and the Obama regime’s lapdog press instantly splashed headlines declaring this as the Taliban’s “REVENGE” for the “death of Bin Laden.” As I write this now, the Drudge Report headline in bright red reads, “REVENGE: SEALS WHO GOT OSAMA KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN.”
I’ll say what everyone else is thinking but is too scared to say. The Obama regime is almost certainly directly complicit in these deaths. The time, location and most especially, the PASSENGERS in the Chinook were passed to the Taliban. Additionally, you can’t take out a Chinook with small arms fire or even standard RPGs such as the Taliban use. The Taliban needed serious weaponry to take this helo down, and that serious weaponry needed to be in exactly the right spot at exactly the right time, ready to fire.
Why would the Obama regime kill Americans? I think the question is, why WOULDN’T the Obama regime kill Americans? The Obama regime is composed of Marxist-Leninist psychopaths. A glancing, superficial survey of 20th century history shows one glaring fact above all others: MARXISTS MURDER PEOPLE WITHOUT COMPUNCTION. Marxists also hate Americans, by definition. Three tacks:
1. The men on board the Chinook may have been some of the same men who participated or had direct knowledge of the staged Bin Laden raid and were killed to permanently silence them.
2. These DEVGRU men were killed to send a signal to the surviving DEVGRU men who carried out the Bin Laden raid to keep their mouths shut.
3. Certainly, the release of the unit identity of the dead within hours – before even family notification could have been made (which requires an IN PERSON visit to the family, remember) was an obvious bow to Al Qaeda, the Taliban and the entire muslim world. This event was INSTANTLY propagandized by the Obama media as “revenge” exacted for Bin Laden’s death. And remember, Bin Laden has been dead for many years. The raid of May 2 was pure stagecraft to distract the world from the release of the forged Obama birth certificate.
I am not a conspiracy theorist. I can’t stand Alex Jones or any 9/11 truther. I have turned down dozens of interviews with such types. In fact, I am a huge believer in the Lex Parsimoniae, which is sometimes called “Occam’s Razor”, which states that the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. I teach this as part of my job, namely that the cattle markets are neither manipulated nor impossible to operate within at a profit. The reality is that the cattle industry participants do not make money because they are functionally incompetent. It is very, very simple. True conspiracies are very rare.
This entire Obama situation is a conspiracy, and I say that without the slightest hesitation. Obama is not a citizen of the United States, he is a puppet front for a cabal of Marxist-Leninsts including Soros, Ayers, Dohrn, Strong, Jarrett and many, many others. These people are enemies of the United States. These people are deeply psychologically damaged, and are capable of ordering people murdered in order to protect themselves and increase their own power. The three dead homosexual black men from Trinity United Church of Christ, Young, Bland and Spencer, all of whom were sexually linked to Barack Obama, were probably the first people specifically murdered by the Obama regime. The hundreds of Mexicans and the two American agents Terry and Zapata were murdered by Operation Fast and Furious in order to advance and increase the power of the Obama regime. These SEALS and the others on board that Chinook today were almost certainly betrayed and murdered by the Obama regime.
Why did the Obama regime immediately reveal the unit identity of the SPECOPS forces involved in the first place, despite the fact that DEVGRU was highly classified? Why was the personnel composition of the Chinook released IMMEDIATELY today after the helo went down – before even family notifications could be made? WHY? Why would you hand your enemy, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, a massive propaganda coup? WHY?
I’ll tell you why. Because the Obama regime IS THE ENEMY. They are Marxist tyrants who hold the lives of Americans not just cheap, but in scathing contempt. They will say anything, they will do anything, and they will murder ANYONE in order to protect themselves and consolidate and increase their power. Please, I beg you, for the love of God and all that is good in this world, read the history of the Soviet Union. Read about Lenin and Stalin and how they murdered people without any hesitation. Read about how Hitler was constantly ordering the murder of his own officers. Read about Communist China. Read about Mao and the millions upon tens of millions of murders he ordered. Read about the killing fields of the Communist Khmer Rouge in Cambodia led by Pol Pot. PLEASE. Marxists MURDER PEOPLE. That is what they do. The Obama regime is MARXIST to the bone. If the Obama regime is not stopped, the 30 Americans murdered today in Afghanistan will be just the beginning. I promise you that.
Here, again, is the clip of Larry Grathwohl, who infiltrated the Weather Underground Marxist terrorist organization in the 1970s. The Weather Underground was founded by Obama’s political godfather, communist mentor (along with Frank Marshall Davis), murderer, and ghostwriter of “Dreams From My Father”, Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn. In this interview, taped in 1980 while Obama was still just an unknown undergrad foreign scholarship student at Occidental College, Grathwohl describes the leadership of the Weather Underground (which is Ayers and Dohrn) discussing what will be done with the “unreformable, diehard capitalists” once they have overthrown the government of the United States. The answer is extermination in camps in the Southwest. The estimated total that would need to be killed? 25 million, which was 10% of the population at the time. Ayers & Dohrn already have overthrown the government of the United States via their puppet protégé, Barack Obama. They have guaranteed that the economy will collapse. The only thing left for them to do is suspend the Constitution and open the camps. I’ll see you there.

KevDen2005
08-10-2011, 11:02
Interesting to say the least...not really sure what to think

I believe everything my government tells me...just kidding, but seriously, I am not always ready to buy into conspiracy theory, even though it is something to contemplate.

I did however read or hear something that the government believed he was dead as early as 2003 (I think) and that it would be released at the right time for a political boost. If that's the case, why didn't bush release it for his own political gain. I'm not a Bush fan and even less of an Obama fan, but I believe politicians are generally the same with that type of stuff, why wouldn't Bush just take credit for it, what did he gain by putting it off?

I am certainly open to be "schooled" in the matter.

UberTong
08-10-2011, 11:04
I think you're thinking along the same lines as I am Ken. Not sure what to make of it, don't wanna buy into crap, but so many questions surrounding it. I don't know.

sneakerd
08-10-2011, 11:07
Too tall a conspiracy for me. Too many people would have to know, and we all know that the only way to keep a secret is to kill the person you told.

UberTong
08-10-2011, 11:10
Ya sneakerd...I agree. You're telling me one of those SEALS or SpecOps guys wouldn't have said something if he knew his boys were murdered or in danger? I don't buy it.

sneakerd
08-10-2011, 11:11
I do think that all of the publicity regarding Seal Team 6 is pure insanity. Just like the latest Discovery channel show- "Secrets of Seal Team 6". I haven't watched it, it may sound dumb, but I don't want to know their "secrets", why are we giving them away? But then again why the HELL wasn't that stealth Blackhawk totally destroyed?

mcantar18c
08-10-2011, 11:14
Some of it is "Duh!" logic, some is believable IMO, some is a bit out there but not necessarily unbelievable.
Interesting read.

UberTong
08-10-2011, 11:16
Some of it is "Duh!" logic, some is believable IMO, some is a bit out there but not necessarily unbelievable.
Interesting read.

That kinda sums it up. She also has a youtube channel and a pink AR.

tmleadr03
08-10-2011, 11:16
You know what else I read on the internet? The US government faked the twin tower attacks.

One of the up sides to the internet is that it gives way more people the ability to voice what they think.


One of the down sides to the internet is that it gives way more people the ability to voice what they think.

Zundfolge
08-10-2011, 11:19
I tend to agree with Ann a lot (especially on issues of Islam and their Jihad against the west) but I think on this one she's jumping to conclusions that are a bit far fetched.
That said, her thought process is usually pretty reasonable (hyperbole notwithstanding) so I'm not going to call her a nutter.

A big part of her position is predicated on the idea that there is no way that Osama could have lived as long as he has with his kidney problems (pointing out that there was no dialysis equipment found with him) ... but she doesn't seem to have caught the angle that maybe his kidney problems are the lie.

mcantar18c
08-10-2011, 11:19
But then again why the HELL wasn't that stealth Blackhawk totally destroyed?

^This.
Why wasn't it completely destroyed?
Why no dialysis machines in the complex?
Why the total disregard for OPSEC?
Why the literally unbelievably fast spread of knowledge and information?
Why the suspicious timing?
Why the suspicious actions?

I'm by no means a conspiracy theorist nutjob, but there sure are lots of questions.

UberTong
08-10-2011, 11:22
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc518/UberTong/Ann-Barnhardt-WorksBothWays-505x653.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc518/UberTong/annbarnhardt2-438x800.jpg

Zund, once again you have said it perfectly. It's like you know what I'm trying to say. Do you have a newsletter or something I could subscribe to? lol.

KevDen2005
08-10-2011, 11:25
You know what else I read on the internet? The US government faked the twin tower attacks.

One of the up sides to the internet is that it gives way more people the ability to voice what they think.


One of the down sides to the internet is that it gives way more people the ability to voice what they think.

Exactly...

There are a lot of unanswered questions but I can't buy into someone, even as ridiculous as Obama, staging something like this. I also believe that the twin towers attack was not an inside job. I'm sorry, but there isn't enough evidence for me to buy it.

airborneranger
08-10-2011, 11:32
It is an interesting read and point of view. There are some assumptions that she states as facts: such as an RPG can't take down a CH-47. That isn't true - been there / done that. I have seen RPGs do some amazing things that I didn't think were possible. I agree with the earlier posters that there are some questions but I don't think this huge conspiracy exists.

Ronin13
08-10-2011, 11:45
It is an interesting read and point of view. There are some assumptions that she states as facts: such as an RPG can't take down a CH-47. That isn't true - been there / done that. I have seen RPGs do some amazing things that I didn't think were possible. I agree with the earlier posters that there are some questions but I don't think this huge conspiracy exists.

Exactly... Operation Anaconda- Taliban fighters were able to take down a CH-47 with a single RPG-7. Somalia 1993- Two UH-60s are downed by RPG-7s. Iraq 2005, an OH-58D downed by insurgent RPG fire. This lady seems like a hack, especially since it was confirmed that the SEALs on the bird did not take part in the "Geronimo" Operation. I do agree with the sentiment that she poses where DEVGRU is not talked about, not acknowledged, and OPSEC is #1 on the subject matter. I do think that the current administration has no freaking clue what the phrase "Loose lips sink ships" means, because ever since the Geronimo Operation they've been talking about ST6, having press conferences, and sharing operational details, which where I come from, the US Intelligence Community, that's fucking TREASON. Give our .gov a round of applause for continuing to put our boys and girls in danger by divulging information that the public has no right to.

Inconel710
08-10-2011, 12:19
Exactly... Operation Anaconda- Taliban fighters were able to take down a CH-47 with a single RPG-7. Somalia 1993- Two UH-60s are downed by RPG-7s. Iraq 2005, an OH-58D downed by insurgent RPG fire. This lady seems like a hack, especially since it was confirmed that the SEALs on the bird did not take part in the "Geronimo" Operation. I do agree with the sentiment that she poses where DEVGRU is not talked about, not acknowledged, and OPSEC is #1 on the subject matter. I do think that the current administration has no freaking clue what the phrase "Loose lips sink ships" means, because ever since the Geronimo Operation they've been talking about ST6, having press conferences, and sharing operational details, which where I come from, the US Intelligence Community, that's fucking TREASON. Give our .gov a round of applause for continuing to put our boys and girls in danger by divulging information that the public has no right to.

Have to agree with you 100% Ronin13. She's got a lot of basic facts wrong and the whole theory doesn't stand up - they can't forge a birth certificate, but they can stage a complex raid into Pakistan and cover up the fact that OBL wasn't there? That's just as nutty as the 9/11 truthers' conspiracy - Bush is an idiot, but he masteminded the demolition of the WTC?

The raid was real, OBL was there, and DEVGRU's OPSEC has been blown forever. We'll spend millions of dollars to build a new facility and ST6 will disappear again.

And for everyone wondering why the report on the Chinook downing went out so fast, it was probably a command decision by the military commander in country to get it out before the Taliban could crow about it to the media. Better to admit to bad news before your enemy makes you look foolish for trying to hide it.

Obound
08-10-2011, 12:26
I cant help but think this Osama thing reminds me of that movie Shooter with Mark Walberg. Im not much into conspiracy theories but this one just kind of fits the bill.

Mr. Rate - That's how a conspiracy works. Them boys on the Grassy Knoll they were dead within three hours, buried in the damned desert, unmarked graves out past Terlingua.

Nick Memphis - You know this for a fact?

Mr. Rate - Still got the shovel...

I don't know much but the basics I got was Seal team 6 killed Osama, Insurgents killed Seal team 6, military kills insurgents. Osama quickly dropped into unmarked grave in Ocean.

It feels like anybody who was somebody involved with this was killed.

Again I don't know much. Considering Im here in Colorado and not over in the sandbox everything I know I had to read or was told to me by somebody.

TFOGGER
08-10-2011, 12:31
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/images/emoticons//tinfoilhatsmile.gif

It was well organized for the first 75% or so, then degenerated into paranoid ramblings. And she has crazy eyes in that pic.

Ronin13
08-10-2011, 12:52
I cant help but think this Osama thing reminds me of that movie Shooter with Mark Walberg. Im not much into conspiracy theories but this one just kind of fits the bill.
I don't know much but the basics I got was Seal team 6 killed Osama, Insurgents killed Seal team 6, military kills insurgents. Osama quickly dropped into unmarked grave in Ocean.

It feels like anybody who was somebody involved with this was killed.

Again I don't know much. Considering Im here in Colorado and not over in the sandbox everything I know I had to read or was told to me by somebody.

So you can admit your knowledge base on this is limited. But ST6 members involved in the OBL raid were not on board the CH-47... The Pentagon released a statement and said it "may" have been retaliation for the raid, but it's nearly impossible to confirm. Plus they're fighting us regardless of which leader of theirs is or isn't killed... holy war, remember?
Also, as far as this Barnhardt lady having a "spook" source, I will say no intel person who values their career and freedom would disclose classified material to anyone not read-on... NO ONE. I don't care who you know, if it's your ex-high school sweetheart you're trying to impress or your college roommate, no person in the intel community would talk about sensitive material to a civilian. Punishment ranges from being fired and fined to being locked up under the prison.

Ranger
08-10-2011, 13:00
Without getting into a big debate and acknowledging that some of her theories are a bit tin hatted for my taste, I will say that I said at the time and maintained that OBL was not at that compound and that it was a political hat trick to give a boost to the administration and to take the spotlight off of the birth certificate issue. I personally believe that OBL has been dead a while and there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that lends itself to this theory.

I'm also not sure of her sources, but everything I have read about the birth certificate says that there are no signs that it's a fake - not obvious ones at least. The layers she said were present in the electronic file - well I've read the exact opposite that there were no layers and that was usually a sign that it was either doctored by someone who knew what they were doing or that it's real. Seriously, if they WERE going to do that (or if it was me), I would doctor it up, print it out and SCAN IT IN, not send my electronic copy to the world to tear apart.

My $0.02.

tmleadr03
08-10-2011, 13:08
Of course it does not help this tin foil hat, in serious need of medication level lunacy that none of the SEALs on board were part of the OBL raid. But fuck logic, reason or facts. I feel stupid for even having posted twice in this thread on the topic.

Ranger
08-10-2011, 13:23
More fodder: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/10/homeland-security-chair-seeks-probe-into-administration-sanctioned-bin-laden/

Delfuego
08-10-2011, 13:29
Some people just cant believe, they have to come up with some conspiracy. A prime example is the JFK assassination. Many people just could not believe that a single person could change the course of history in such a way, there must be more to it. I think a certain portion of people will just never believe, even if they witnessed it with their own eyes (eg: Sept 11th).

Just my .02 cents

Ronin13
08-10-2011, 13:32
I can't stand Kathryn Bigelow... I have friends who are Army and Navy EOD and they thought that The Hurt Locker was by far the worst war movie ever. I tend to agree, especially since I watched it while deployed. I'm all for transparency and what not, but for crying out loud, that doesn't mean just disclose everything from weapons to tactics to every minute detail!
Also, this whole OBL thing was NOT AN OBAMA VICTORY! It was a US MILITARY AND INTELLIGENCE VICTORY.... fuck, when are the libs going to learn that!

Zundfolge
08-10-2011, 13:50
I'm also not sure of her sources, but everything I have read about the birth certificate says that there are no signs that it's a fake - not obvious ones at least. The layers she said were present in the electronic file - well I've read the exact opposite that there were no layers and that was usually a sign that it was either doctored by someone who knew what they were doing or that it's real. Seriously, if they WERE going to do that (or if it was me), I would doctor it up, print it out and SCAN IT IN, not send my electronic copy to the world to tear apart.

As a professional graphic designer I can tell you what I found when I downloaded the file and opened it in Adobe Illustrator ... I found layers of pieces ... text separated from the background texture ... and obvious signs of photoshop editing all over the thing. Hell, all they had to do is flatten it before saving it and posting it on the web.

Its not just doctored, its poorly doctored, and I can attest to that with more than 20 years Graphic Design experience (including being an Adobe Beta Tester for InDesign 2.0).

tmleadr03
08-10-2011, 14:21
As a professional graphic designer I can tell you what I found when I downloaded the file and opened it in Adobe Illustrator ... I found layers of pieces ... text separated from the background texture ... and obvious signs of photoshop editing all over the thing. Hell, all they had to do is flatten it before saving it and posting it on the web.

Its not just doctored, its poorly doctored, and I can attest to that with more than 20 years Graphic Design experience (including being an Adobe Beta Tester for InDesign 2.0).

I heard that a lot. But I also heard "YOU FUCKING RACIST FOR EVEN ASKING ABOUT IT!!!!" more. I think the BC raised more questions then it answered. Unless you are MSM.

Zundfolge
08-10-2011, 14:35
I heard that a lot. But I also heard "YOU FUCKING RACIST FOR EVEN ASKING ABOUT IT!!!!" more. I think the BC raised more questions then it answered. Unless you are MSM.
So on one side you heard a reasoned, fact based, technical description of the file and on the other you heard a hyperbolic racist tirade. I can see how such a balanced argument would raise so many more questions than answers [ROFL1]

Ronin13
08-10-2011, 14:56
So on one side you heard a reasoned, fact based, technical description of the file and on the other you heard a hyperbolic racist tirade. I can see how such a balanced argument would raise so many more questions than answers [ROFL1]

[ROFL2] We're all about balance these days in America.
I won't vote for Obama because he's a bad leader...
"You're racist because you won't vote for a black man!?"
What!?

tmleadr03
08-10-2011, 15:08
[ROFL2] We're all about balance these days in America.
I won't vote for Obama because he's a bad leader...
"You're racist because you won't vote for a black man!?"
What!?

Followed shortly by:

"I voted for Obama because he is a black man..."


WFT?

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." MLK

He had it right, but the racist in the country are still judging by the color of peoples skin.

“Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face. So what they’re going to try to do is make you scared of me,” Obama said. “You know, he’s not patriotic enough, he’s got a funny name, you know, he doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills.”

The ignorance in this statement is overwhelming. Almost as much as the SEAL tinfoil hat issue.

blacklabel
08-10-2011, 16:55
I had my concerns about the legitimacy of the assassination and this just adds more fuel to the fire.

While I don't know what happened, I do know that I don't trust my government.

Scanker19
08-10-2011, 17:13
People don't want to believe because there are too many convenient events that occur with these human events.

Was Jack Ruby really that mad?

Not one camera near the headquarters of the most powerful military managed to capture a plane hitting it? (other than that one frame thing).

We paraded Saddam's sons all over TV, newspapers, and other media outlets, and we can't get a glimpse of the person responsible for the event that truly fucked our world?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and other times its something much more nefarious. [Stooge]

Scanker19
08-10-2011, 17:19
More fodder: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/10/homeland-security-chair-seeks-probe-into-administration-sanctioned-bin-laden/

That's suppose to be done by the Hurt locker retards. I have a script, its in the taco bell restroom, give me five minutes.

rondog
08-10-2011, 17:53
While I don't know what happened, I do know that I don't trust my government.

This is where I'm at.....lying bastages, all of 'em. Hell, I believe in alien visitors, and that the gooberment has had proof covered up for years, since 1947 at least, probably earlier. Too many people the world over have "seen things", and it's all been pooh-poohed somehow and swept away.

Irving
08-10-2011, 21:56
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/images/emoticons//tinfoilhatsmile.gif

And she has crazy eyes in that pic.

THAT'S IT! I couldn't put my finger on it.

trlcavscout
08-10-2011, 22:15
I hate conspiracy theories but I have doubted the OBL BS since day one. Again to many unanswered questions! I am doubting the govt shot down the SEALs though, to much publicity. I dont doubt the .gov does that shit though at all!!! Eventually it will all come out and get brushed under the rug.

rockhound
08-10-2011, 23:01
OBL did it, that I have no doubt.

i don't think we killed him a few months ago.

i think our own muslim leader pulled that card out of his pocket way too soon to gain political traction.

rondog
08-10-2011, 23:09
And the sad part is, millions of sheep still think he's the Obamessiah, and he's going to get re-elected. Who else is there? Any viable candidates yet?

Irving
08-10-2011, 23:18
i think our own muslim leader pulled that card out of his pocket way too soon to gain political traction.

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BushMasterBoy
08-10-2011, 23:41
OBL was killed by a drone missile the early winter of 2001 in the mountains of Afghanistan. I'm surprised nobody caught the article that was pulled by AP a few hours after it was posted. I had the words copied to a Word file, but they mysteriously disappeared off my computer.
I would write a book, but I'm afraid I would have an accident. You don't attack a fifty trillion dollar economy and live ten more years after you do it.
Anyways, at least you know the truth now. Anybody remember the cattle mutilations of the 70's in Colorado? Aliens mutilating and dissecting cattle...

If you want the "big" picture read this book...

http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Planetary-Defense-Extra-Terrestrial-Invasion/dp/1581124473%3FSubscriptionId%3D1XFK01HK9NZWGPENWGG2 %26tag%3Ddoctravis-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165 953%26creativeASIN%3D1581124473 (http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Planetary-Defense-Extra-Terrestrial-Invasion/dp/1581124473%3FSubscriptionId%3D1XFK01HK9NZWGPENWGG2 %26tag%3Ddoctravis-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165 953%26creativeASIN%3D1581124473)

mcantar18c
08-11-2011, 00:00
OBL was killed by a drone missile the early winter of 2001 in the mountains of Afghanistan. I'm surprised nobody caught the article that was pulled by AP a few hours after it was posted. I had the words copied to a Word file, but they mysteriously disappeared off my computer.
Its not that I don't believe you.... but I need something more than a guy saying something on an internet forum to be sold on something.

BushMasterBoy
08-11-2011, 00:26
These guys are claiming they were hacked too. Same date-timeline claiming Osama died in 2001. Maybe somebody else can find more internet information that connects the dots...

http://uncensored.co.nz/2011/05/02/bin-laden-declared-dead-by-drone-strike-but-the-war-on-terror-will-continue/

BushMasterBoy
08-11-2011, 00:28
2001 Drone Strike not listed...wtf?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_strikes_against_presumed_terroris t_targets

mcantar18c
08-11-2011, 00:36
2001 Drone Strike not listed...wtf?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_strikes_against_presumed_terroris t_targets

Uh... really?
There have been many, MANY more drone strikes in the last 6 months alone than what is listed in that wikipedia page.

BushMasterBoy
08-11-2011, 00:37
This article says there was a drone strike in 2001...

http://www.tnr.com/article/the-drone-war

Oh well I hope hes dead and not living it up in Iran!

If somehow I can forensically recover the lost file I will post it.

hollohas
08-11-2011, 12:55
I don't think they killed OBL during the raid. Not sure when he was killed/died but it wasn't then. Damn near every other high profile BG we have captured or killed has been paraded all over the news. And that include pictures taken after time of death. But no OBL pictures...

I also don't think we shot down the Chinook but I do think someone screwed the pooch big time on that. A chinook FULL of special forces? Going in for support? WTF were there so many SEALS on one helo going in for a support mission? A support mission. My SF buddies have told me they never went into a fight piled 30 high on one bird. Maybe they were transported to another base or location with that many on board but never into a fight. They ALWAYS took smaller birds with less men into battle. Someone desk jockey fucked up...there should never be that many SF in one easy target.

Ranger353
08-11-2011, 13:15
Ann! TAKE YOUR PILL! For God's sake, Take your freaking Meds!

tmleadr03
08-11-2011, 13:19
I don't think they killed OBL during the raid. Not sure when he was killed/died but it wasn't then. Damn near every other high profile BG we have captured or killed has been paraded all over the news. And that include pictures taken after time of death. But no OBL pictures...

I also don't think we shot down the Chinook but I do think someone screwed the pooch big time on that. A chinook FULL of special forces? Going in for support? WTF were there so many SEALS on one helo going in for a support mission? A support mission. My SF buddies have told me they never went into a fight piled 30 high on one bird. Maybe they were transported to another base or location with that many on board but never into a fight. They ALWAYS took smaller birds with less men into battle. Someone desk jockey fucked up...there should never be that many SF in one easy target.

Just because you are the best does not mean that some punk cant get lucky or have good intell every once and a while. Shit happens when you get over confident. That is what happened here and anything else is nut job conspiracy theory.

sneakerd
08-11-2011, 13:22
I totally agree with tmleader.

hollohas
08-11-2011, 13:31
Just because you are the best does not mean that some punk cant get lucky or have good intell every once and a while. Shit happens when you get over confident. That is what happened here and anything else is nut job conspiracy theory.

Which is my point. I don't think any BG was tipped off about the Chinook or that some secret is to blame. No conspiracy. My point is, simply put, someone fucked up.
There should never been that many SF on one bird going into fire. As I mentioned, my buddy who I have known for the better part of 18 years, who has been SF active duty for 9 and who's Dad is also SF has told me that they NEVER went into a fight stacked 30 operators high on one bird. According to him it's not SOP and according to me it's stupid to put that many high priority targets for the BGs in one easy target. It's a damn shame.

UberTong
08-11-2011, 14:44
I don't buy into most of her article on this particular subject, but all in all Ann is one who is most definitely on our side. I applaud her other efforts and for always voicing such a strong opinion AND standing by it. Cheers Ann if you're reading this, which I know you are now. [Beer]

Zundfolge
08-11-2011, 15:42
I find that I agree with her more than I disagree with her ... when I do disagree its usually more a matter of degrees than outright (for example on this I don't think we're getting the truth, but I think her conclusions are probably just as wrong as the "official" story). Only other area I disagree with her is her whole Catholic supremacy thing.

But like Reagan said, someone you disagree with 20% of the time is 80% your friend.

UberTong
08-11-2011, 15:51
Last time I'm saying this Zund, stay out of my head with your brain scanners. I'm gonna run my posts by you from now on, so you can eloquently put them together how I intended it to come across. Honestly though, you seem to hit the nail on the head with what I'm thinking, but I never can it across like you. [Beer]

Ronin13
08-11-2011, 15:55
Last time I'm saying this Zund, stay out of my head with your brain scanners. I'm gonna run my posts by you from now on, so you can eloquently put them together how I intended it to come across. Honestly though, you seem to hit the nail on the head with what I'm thinking, but I never can it across like you. [Beer]

Right... Zund is very well versed and eloquent... Some of us just have a knack for words and mashing them together in a very well meaning and perfectly organized manner, the rest, well... nynco, need I say more?

Zundfolge
08-11-2011, 15:56
When in doubt, quote the Gipper.

mcantar18c
08-11-2011, 19:40
Last time I'm saying this Zund, stay out of my head with your brain scanners. I'm gonna run my posts by you from now on, so you can eloquently put them together how I intended it to come across. Honestly though, you seem to hit the nail on the head with what I'm thinking, but I never can it across like you. [Beer]

Apparently not [ROFL1]