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sorry but my google and search fu is off today . what are the rules concerning open carry in denver ?
I'm under the impression that even though it's legal, it's till not a good idea.
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sneakerd
08-11-2011, 16:46
You'll never catch me doing it. Legal or not.
Legal if you have a permit already.
I wouldn't even try it in Denver, legal or not. Closest may be BLM JeffCo...
legal unless otherwise stated on a sight, and of course a no no around schools and in gov. buildings. no different than anywhere else, i think you can't have mags with more than 10 rounds though? don't quote me on that one.
Here is alot of info from RMGO http://www.rmgo.org/gun-law-faqs/open-carry
Half Live
08-11-2011, 17:47
DO NOT OPEN CARRY IN DENVER. It is illegal in the city and county of Denver. I can not find the case at the moment but Denver sued the state and won over the states preemption law.
Also for some good info on open carry visit www.opencarry.org (http://www.opencarry.org)
http://opencarry.org/co.html
KevDen2005
08-11-2011, 23:05
I was pretty sure it was in the municipal code that no open carry, it's been a while since I saw it.
alan0269
08-11-2011, 23:31
I wouldn't consider that a stupid question - it would only be a stupid question if it wasn't asked and you got arrested for illegally open carrying in Denver. Always better to find out in advance than to risk it, especially when it could cost you so much in the long run - and not just in money.
thanks guys , guess i need to get that cc permit if i want to open carry in town
Legal if you have a permit already.
If this were true; not advisable at all.
If this were true; not advisable at all.how so ? imho if you open carry then the riff raff knows to stay away .
On second thought, go ahead and give it a shot in Denver. Let us know how it works out for ya. [Beer]
On second thought, go ahead and give it a shot in Denver. Let us know how it works out for ya. [Beer]gee graves im startin to think im not one of your favorite people [Flower]
gee graves im startin to think im not one of your favorite people [Flower]
You're good people.
IMHO It's not a good idea to OC somewhere where it's not legal. Just sayin'
DO NOT OPEN CARRY IN DENVER. It is illegal in the city and county of Denver. I can not find the case at the moment but Denver sued the state and won over the states preemption law.
Also for some good info on open carry visit www.opencarry.org (http://www.opencarry.org)
http://opencarry.org/co.html
You forgot to read further down I guess because it says this, well, I guess you didn't need to:
Update: The Colorado Appeals Court has ruled that Denver is NOT subject to state preemption regarding open carry.
On second thought, go ahead and give it a shot in Denver. Let us know how it works out for ya. [Beer]
I sort of agree with this statement, but from a completely non snarky perspective. It's supposed to be legal to do so if you have a CCW but I have also read and heard about people getting harassed for doing it. My curiosity would be in what YOUR experience is after you did it for a while.
I love the idea of open carry as a statement of "yes, I am protected under the constitution and am exercising my rights" but don't like advertising that I have a weapon nor do I want to be harassed by the cops for any reason. I'm no martyr, I don't plan on You Tubing a video of me cracking wise with a cop over my knowledge of the law.
thats why i asked before i put a gun on the hip . personally id rather oc so everyone (bad people) knows my resolve . denver is back asswards in so many ways . how can colorado kick so much ass as a state and denver suck balls at the same time . so far i blame hippies , homos and libratards .
no worries graves , as i was tellin byte the other day ,im real bad a gauging sarcasm .
Generally, much of what I have to say has some humor to it. If you met me, you'd know I'm quite the smart ass. I'd just ignore you if I didn't like you. [Beer]
Generally, much of what I have to say has some humor to it. If you met me, you'd know I'm quite the smart ass. I'd just ignore you if I didn't like you. [Beer]
[Tooth][Beer]
SuperiorDG
08-12-2011, 08:36
legal unless otherwise stated on a sight, and of course a no no around schools and in gov. buildings. no different than anywhere else, i think you can't have mags with more than 10 rounds though? don't quote me on that one.
What about CCW and more then 10 round mags in Denver?
What about CCW and more then 10 round mags in Denver?
I though the mag-cap was 21<
[Dunno]
I though the mag-cap was 29<
[Dunno]my understanding was 20 or less ?
my understanding was 20 or less ?
The magazine restriction applies to rifles and shotguns, they specifically exempt pistols and .22s.
The magazine restriction applies to rifles and shotguns, they specifically exempt pistols and .22s.what about carbines , and smg type guns (tec-9's ,tommy guns ect) ?
sneakerd
08-12-2011, 09:05
Why do you need to carry at all? After all that area of Curtis Park and 5 Points where you live is sooo safe!!![ROFL1]
what about carbines , and smg type guns (tec-9's ,tommy guns ect) ?
If it's a rifle under the law (over 16 inch barrel length and/or over 26 inches overall, or a registered SBR/SBS) then the over 20 round mag ban would apply, regardless of caliber, i.e. a carbine that takes Glock mags and a 33 round G17 mag = illegal.
Edit: Link to the Denver assault weapons ban: HERE (http://library.municode.com/HTML/10257/level4/TITIIREMUCO_CH38OFMIPR_ARTIVOFAGPUORSA_DIV2WEMI.ht ml#TITIIREMUCO_CH38OFMIPR_ARTIVOFAGPUORSA_DIV2WEMI _S38-130ASWE)
Link to open carry restrictions here (http://library.municode.com/HTML/10257/level4/TITIIREMUCO_CH38OFMIPR_ARTIVOFAGPUORSA_DIV2WEMI.ht ml#TITIIREMUCO_CH38OFMIPR_ARTIVOFAGPUORSA_DIV2WEMI _S38-130ASWE)
I had always believed that if it's a state law that the municipalities have to follow or respect it. Such as the town of Northglenn can't refuse to acknowledge a state law... isn't this what Denver is doing? I've known for a while now that Denver is against OC and made it illegal, but it's legal everywhere else, which is dumb and I think we should rally to change that.
I though the mag-cap was 21<
[Dunno]
You are correct, well kinda, the limit is 20. See, that's why I said don't quote me graves! [Coffee]
I had always believed that if it's a state law that the municipalities have to follow or respect it. Such as the town of Northglenn can't refuse to acknowledge a state law... isn't this what Denver is doing? I've known for a while now that Denver is against OC and made it illegal, but it's legal everywhere else, which is dumb and I think we should rally to change that.
Colorado has something in it's constitution called "Home Rule" for municipalities (as I understand it, some other states do as well). With regards to this conversation (http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showpost.php?p=376380&postcount=12) we had last month, Denver fought the "Firearms Preemption Law" passed by the state, using Denver's "Home Rule" status. Essentially as I understand it, "Home Rule" allows some autonomy to a municipality and also, I believe, allows some municipal ordinances to carry force of law (I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not 100% on this part).
To Alxone,
I wouldn't Open Carry in Denver. Unless you are trying to make a political statement (and that may not be that good of a reason), there's no good reason to. Tactically it's unsafe and it's illegal. If you don't have a CCW, go fulfill the requirements and get one. It should cost you around $300 for training and the application fee and take around 90 days to get the permit once you submit your application. You will be much better off Conceal Carrying than Open Carrying.
Why do you need to carry at all? After all that area of Curtis Park and 5 Points where you live is sooo safe!!![ROFL1]its not my hood im worried about , it the really bad places like , cherry creek , glendale ,thorton ect . [ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3][Flower][Coffee][ROFL3][ROFL2][ROFL1]
it doesn't matter if you're legal or not, you can not trust that the denver PD won't teach you a harsh lesson.
it doesn't matter if you're legal or not, you can not trust that the denver PD won't teach you a harsh lesson.damn its good to have you back [ROFL1][Tooth]
sneakerd
08-13-2011, 08:39
No hugging- no kissing- don't need to see any of that. We are men's men. [Coffee]
No hugging- no kissing- don't need to see any of that. We are men's men. [Coffee]there has got to be a saturday night live skit in there [ROFL1]
there has got to be a saturday night live skit in there [ROFL1]
The Royal Navy: Where Men are Men and boys run and hide (from the men) [ROFL1]
COLOSHOOTR
08-14-2011, 03:18
it doesn't matter if you're legal or not, you can not trust that the Denver PD won't teach you a harsh lesson.
Not really... I don't know why you all seem to buy the news and all think Denver Cops are so heavy handed and are such a holes. I bet you guys believe the news when they talk about all those fully automatic rifles and handguns that are used in crimes here! There was a lot more to all those recent incidents involving DPD then they broadcast on the news and put in the paper. In one of those incidents , specifically the Denver Diner, the entire incident was within Denver PD policy and none of the cops I know (Those cops are not just with DPD they are with other agencies including out of state ones) think they did anything wrong. The reason for termination was the Manager of Safety felt they were being dishonest because they said AB&C happened in this order covering all points but actually AC&B happened in that order. When you get mobbed by a group of people it's not easy to remember if you cuffed up person one or two first and if you had to push person 6 away before spraying person 4 with pepper spray. Anyone who's been in a fight before knows that after it's all over you probably won't remember if your 6th punch was a jab with your left or a right hook.... I'm just really tired of all the cop bashing by the media and how DPD and APD are all considered thugs by gun owners who should know the media is full of it rather then eating up everything they say.
Now that my rant is done.....Denver Officers hired 2005-2007 were actually instructed in the academy to lay off Open carry due to the home rule dispute with the state and the court case. You would likely be told to put it away as long as you checked out okay and would probably only ever see charges on it if you decide to have an attitude and refuse. On the other hand it's never wise to ignore the law even if you don't agree with it.
I'm not a fan of OC anyway because you no longer have surprise on your hand.... Example you are in a bank/store during a take over style robbery (they are on the rise). Five suspects enter the store armed with long guns and hand guns. They see you with your gun visible on your hip you now became the first target. The BG could also mistake you as a Police Officer since most of society thinks cop when they see an openly displayed firearm. A CCW is the way to go so you have the advantage of not being spotted and ID'd as the first guy to shoot in the above situation. If OC was really a good thing don't you think most off duty cops would carry in the open and agencies would mandate it?
Not really... I don't know why you all seem to buy the news and all think Denver Cops are so heavy handed and are such a holes. I bet you guys believe the news when they talk about all those fully automatic rifles and handguns that are used in crimes here! There was a lot more to all those recent incidents involving DPD then they broadcast on the news and put in the paper. In one of those incidents , specifically the Denver Diner, the entire incident was within Denver PD policy and none of the cops I know (Those cops are not just with DPD they are with other agencies including out of state ones) think they did anything wrong. The reason for termination was the Manager of Safety felt they were being dishonest because they said AB&C happened in this order covering all points but actually AC&B happened in that order. When you get mobbed by a group of people it's not easy to remember if you cuffed up person one or two first and if you had to push person 6 away before spraying person 4 with pepper spray. Anyone who's been in a fight before knows that after it's all over you probably won't remember if your 6th punch was a jab with your left or a right hook.... I'm just really tired of all the cop bashing by the media and how DPD and APD are all considered thugs by gun owners who should know the media is full of it rather then eating up everything they say.um all i have to say to that is your kinda new and dont realize that we here on coar15 do not believe the media hype (for the most part ) and we tend to form our own opinions.
I'm not a fan of OC anyway because you no longer have surprise on your hand.... Example you are in a bank/store during a take over style robbery (they are on the rise). Five suspects enter the store armed with long guns and hand guns. They see you with your gun visible on your hip you now became the first target. The BG could also mistake you as a Police Officer since most of society thinks cop when they see an openly displayed firearm. A CCW is the way to go so you have the advantage of not being spotted and ID'd as the first guy to shoot in the above situation. If OC was really a good thing don't you think most off duty cops would carry in the open and agencies would mandate it?
personally i could care less about surprise , if you ever meet me you will understand . even if i had a permit if i was to carry , id probably oc or not carry at all as im not real big on concealing .
COLOSHOOTR, you lost me when you put media sensation and gun owners in the same sentence.
COLOSHOOTR
08-14-2011, 18:05
Then where did all this DPD bashing come from... Yes Denver gun laws suck but how many people do you know who were actually charged with violations of the Assault Weapon or Hi-Cap bans? It's the cities elected government that has been anti gun, not the Officers of the DPD who still do have discression to arrest or not even if you had 100 30rd mags. Also, most cops tend to search the cars of shady indviduals with prior drug, gang or weapon offense NOT law abiding citizens... Unless you decide to pull some attitude and treat the Officer with the same respect you seem to give them on here. In that case I totally understand why you'd get hassled. It's just like socializing with any almost any other person where you are polite and respectful and you get the same in return. Decide to be the tough guy that wants to have an attitude and you'll probably get attitude back.
I'd bet you $100 that you can drive down I-70 right now get stopped tell the officer about the AR15 in your trunk and probably won't even have to get out of your car because He'll probably say, "Okay, Thanks for letting me know" and walk back to his car to finish business related to the stop.
Then where did all this DPD bashing come from... Yes Denver gun laws suck but how many people do you know who were actually charged with violations of the Assault Weapon or Hi-Cap bans? It's the cities elected government that has been anti gun, not the Officers of the DPD who still do have discression to arrest or not even if you had 100 30rd mags. Also, most cops tend to search the cars of shady indviduals with prior drug, gang or weapon offense NOT law abiding citizens... Unless you decide to pull some attitude and treat the Officer with the same respect you seem to give them on here. In that case I totally understand why you'd get hassled. It's just like socializing with any almost any other person where you are polite and respectful and you get the same in return. Decide to be the tough guy that wants to have an attitude and you'll probably get attitude back.
I'd bet you $100 that you can drive down I-70 right now get stopped tell the officer about the AR15 in your trunk and probably won't even have to get out of your car because He'll probably say, "Okay, Thanks for letting me know" and walk back to his car to finish business related to the stop. your silly and your kinda funny but your mostly wrong and kinda missing the point [Flower] [LOL][Bang] [Poke]
I wouldn't worry about getting pulled over, so much as I'd worry about being contacted by the officers that work in LoDo. I was involved in an auto accident and DPD showed up (actually I crashed right in front of him), and I showed him my CCW and he didn't say much of anything. Didn't disarm me or ask about it or anything.
I used to know some Denver cops that worked the bars in LoDo, and I know I wouldn't want to ever run across them while carrying. In fact, I wouldn't even want to talk on my phone in front of DPD working in LoDo.
COLOSHOOTR
08-15-2011, 02:21
I wouldn't worry about getting pulled over, so much as I'd worry about being contacted by the officers that work in LoDo. I was involved in an auto accident and DPD showed up (actually I crashed right in front of him), and I showed him my CCW and he didn't say much of anything. Didn't disarm me or ask about it or anything.
I used to know some Denver cops that worked the bars in LoDo, and I know I wouldn't want to ever run across them while carrying. In fact, I wouldn't even want to talk on my phone in front of DPD working in LoDo.
Your experience with your accident is going to be the norm with most DPD cops. They are not going to disarm you and arrest you.... There are plenty of gang members running around with illegal weapons that they can do that to.
As long as you don't hit the cop then run away you probably won't get slammed to the ground on camera..... Then again that part didn't really hit the airwaves.
Alxone, I'm glad to know how wrong you think I am but I guarantee you I know the DPD way better then you do. I've read the case files in some of those high profile firings and personally know most of the officers involved in those cases. Over the years I've also never seen a case on a law abiding citizen for having an AK47. I have on the on the other hand seen a few involving gang members but those don't even get the assault weapon charge but get possession by a previous offender instead.
I'm not trying to say any of you are wrong and I agree 100% that the Denver gun laws are stupid. I think the case should be re head due to the 3-3 split and that this home rule crap is garbage. If state law allows for something Denver should have no right to ban or further restrict something. If I lived in Denver and ever was charged with possession of a Hi-Cap magazine I'd take it all the way up to the supreme court because I should not be restricted from something that is legal for someone that lives just outside the City and that person can possess as they pass though the city I'm not allowed to have them in. It's unconstitutional! I think that that recent house bill should have passed allowing concealed carry for anyone legally able to own a gun in this State. Then there would be no need to OC if you didn't have the cash for a CCW and it would be a big F you to Denver city council. I'm just trying to say that the majority of cops even DPD are not out to get you, your guns and those evil 30rd magazines.
Prometheus
08-15-2011, 07:28
In the city of denver for non police law enforcement, you do not need anything to carry an open fire arm because of the open carry law, unless there is a special law for mall security to carry guns I believe it is under open carry.
Then where did all this DPD bashing come from...
You new here? [Dunno]
In the city of denver for non police law enforcement, you do not need anything to carry an open fire arm because of the open carry law, unless there is a special law for mall security to carry guns I believe it is under open carry.
As myself and others have stated, Open Carry in Denver for Non-Law Enforcement is illegal under municipal ordinance which is allowed under Denver's "Home Rule" status and the Colorado Supreme Court Decision addressing this.
If you haven't read the whole thread, please do.
No offense, but putting out erroneous unsubstantiated information that can get someone arrested is not responsible.
Please read here (http://opencarry.org/co.html), if you have any doubts about open carry in Denver.
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