My new CCW pistol

[sneakerd]

As new Colt Agent .38 (LW). Original parkerized finish. Prob get an El Paso tooled hip holster for a little wow factor.

[Atrain1]

Sweet revolver

[spleify]

Very nice!

[sneakerd]

It's nothing special, pretty inexpensive actually- got a killer deal on GB. But it is the perfect gun for me. Easy to carry, easy to hide. It's a lot nicer than that crappy pic.

[ray1970]

Hmm.... and what makes this better than that S&W model 10 you had posted up here for sale? Just curious.[Coffee]

[sneakerd]

Lightweight frame. A quality paddle holster like Galco's and you hardly feel a LW-frame snubby.

[Bailey Guns]

I love older Colt and S&W revolvers.

[Atrain1]

I did not know people still carried revolvers as a ccw, I thought about carrying mine it is a 5 shot taurus ultralite I was surprised at what I could hit with it at 25 yards and think it would be nice to carry it. I would amagine that colt is very accurate.

[sneakerd]

There is no pistol more consistantly reliable than a revolver. No safetys, no levers. 6 shots should be enough.

[Atrain1]

There is no pistol more consistantly reliable than a revolver. No safetys, no levers. 6 shots should be enough. I agree there is nothing to jam up, unless you have a Mateba or a Webley Fosbery and even then I think the Mateba will still fire not sure about the Webly. Just not sure of the power of the 38 special out of a 2 inch barrel I would think it would be enough but I have heard stories and I am sure you have to of people being shot in the head with one and it not penitrating, but I also alway thought they were not accurate until I fired one cause that was what I heard.

[ray1970]

People survive point-blank shotgun blasts to the head too. Doesn't make the 12 gauge a poor defensive weapon. [Coffee]

I didn't realize the Colt was a light-weight. That definitely explains why it is a better carry piece. One of my favorite carry pieces is a S&W 442 so I totally understand where you are coming from. [Beer]

[Atrain1]

People survive point-blank shotgun blasts to the head too. Doesn't make the 12 gauge a poor defensive weapon. [Coffee]

I didn't realize the Colt was a light-weight. That definitely explains why it is a better carry piece. One of my favorite carry pieces is a S&W 442 so I totally understand where you are coming from. [Beer] Good point you would not by any chance have the specs for a 38 special in a 2 inch barrel do you? My interest is deffenetly sparked. And I was going to ask also why not a 357, is it just personal prefferance?

[mcantar18c]

There is no pistol more consistantly reliable than a revolver. No safetys, no levers. 6 shots should be enough.
Unless you need 7...
Many modern revolvers are just as complicated (trigger/hammer/cylinder internals) as semi autos. They DO jam, the only difference is that a semi-auto usually jams from feeding/extracting issues and a revolver jams from internal issues and things keeping the cylinder from moving freely.


I agree there is nothing to jam up, unless you have a Mateba or a Webley Fosbery and even then I think the Mateba will still fire not sure about the Webly. Just not sure of the power of the 38 special out of a 2 inch barrel I would think it would be enough but I have heard stories and I am sure you have to of people being shot in the head with one and it not penitrating, but I also alway thought they were not accurate until I fired one cause that was what I heard.
Around 880-900fps.
http://www.snubnose.info/docs/snubby_ballistics.htm
Definitely enough to kill.

As for why not .357 mag, a .38 Special is...
More controllable = faster follow up shots.
Less powerful = brass doesn't expand as much and will be less likely to stick and cause issues for you if you need to reload quickly.
And powerful enough to get the job done.

[Atrain1]

Unless you need 7...
Many modern revolvers are just as complicated (trigger/hammer/cylinder internals) as semi autos. They DO jam, the only difference is that a semi-auto usually jams from feeding/extracting issues and a revolver jams from internal issues and things keeping the cylinder from moving freely.


Around 880-900fps.
http://www.snubnose.info/docs/snubby_ballistics.htm
Definitely enough to kill.

As for why not .357 mag, a .38 Special is...
More controllable = faster follow up shots.
Less powerful = brass doesn't expand as much and will be less likely to stick and cause issues for you if you need to reload quickly.
And powerful enough to get the job done. I have a 32 S&W 7 shot revolver I thought about carrying, I figured a 7 shot would be a nice surprise if it came down to it, and to be honest that is the one of the funest guns I have, it is a Arminius and I have heard alot of crap about them but I started out with an hw7 I was so impresed with that gun I now own another hw7T and a hw5T, for the Hi-point of german guns I was very impressed with them I dont know if you have had any experiance with them but something about that 32 it is just to nice to carry it is highly polished nickle, but I only paid like 132 bucks for it that is the crazy thing, I carry a P3AT so if I have to use it and I wont have to worry about my gun being tied up for 1 to 3 years or how ever long it can take. Back to the 38 I do not know to much about the snubnose as I have never liked them cause we all know I like bigger guns and if I shoot you in the toe with my 45 your going down[ROFL2] hey maybe you would. Is the 38 SN a good CCW gun to carry to protect me and my wife and kids, and would it be a good gun for my wife to carry and are you sure about those specs cause I thought those were the 4 inch test barrel specs and also has anyone used American Tactical remanufactured ammunition because I have and I just want to know if it is just me, I gave my wife the 38 snubnose with police reloads from jensons and she handled it fine, then I gave it to her with the AT Reman ammo and it scared the crap out of her. I thought it was pretty funny she deffinetly noticed a difference so I tried it and I did as well, I mean a big differance, they were also from Jensons they felt like a 357 in a 4 inch barrel.

[mcantar18c]

I have a 32 S&W 7 shot revolver I thought about carrying, I figured a 7 shot would be a nice surprise if it came down to it, and to be honest that is the one of the funest guns I have, it is a Arminius and I have heard alot of crap about them but I started out with an hw7 I was so impresed with that gun I now own another hw7T and a hw5T, for the Hi-point of german guns I was very impressed with them I dont know if you have had any experiance with them but something about that 32 it is just to nice to carry it is highly polished nickle, but I only paid like 132 bucks for it that is the crazy thing, I carry a P3AT so if I have to use it and I wont have to worry about my gun being tied up for 1 to 3 years or how ever long it can take. Back to the 38 I do not know to much about the snubnose as I have never liked them cause we all know I like bigger guns and if I shoot you in the toe with my 45 your going down[ROFL2] hey maybe you would. Is the 38 SN a good CCW gun to carry to protect me and my wife and kids, and would it be a good gun for my wife to carry and are you sure about those specs cause I thought those were the 4 inch test barrel specs and also has anyone used American Tactical remanufactured ammunition because I have and I just want to know if it is just me, I gave my wife the 38 snubnose with police reloads from jensons and she handled it fine, then I gave it to her with the AT Reman ammo and it scared the crap out of her. I thought it was pretty funny she deffinetly noticed a difference so I tried it and I did as well, I mean a big differance, they were also from Jensons they felt like a 357 in a 4 inch barrel.
Ok first off, I have to say it...
Your computer has a button that puts a period after your sentences. Right next to it there's a button that puts a comma in there too. They're only inches away from your fingers. My brain shouldn't hurt after reading your posts lol.

Anyway. I don't have any experience with that manufacturer.
No, I don't believe it would be a good weapon of choice for protecting you and yours. Look for one that offers the highest round capacity, simplicity of use, durability, and reliability. Like a Glock.
I won't say don't give your wife that gun to carry, its better than nothing, but if you have better options for her take advantage of them. I wouldn't let my woman carry a revolver when she has access to a Glock, for reasons stated above and because of trigger pull. My ex had no problem with the trigger on my Security Six but a friend's girl needs to shoot it in single action because she can't reach the trigger in DA.
No, I'm not sure of those specs because I didn't test them myself. But if you click on the link I posted, it gives you the velocity and penetration in water jugs for the load they used with all of the associated numbers, including the length of the test barrel (a 2.5" and a 2").

[Ranger]

There is no pistol more consistantly reliable than a revolver. No safetys, no levers. 6 shots should be enough.

There was a thread recently where I made a similar statement about having 10 rounds in my auto and that being enough and come to find that apparently you need to carry 60+ rounds to "be enough" :).

I have a little .38 that I keep in my "car kit" (like a mini survival pack). I've though of getting one of those hammerless .38's, I love the lines on them.

[sneakerd]

There may be instances where I might choose something heavier. I have plenty of options. Atrain seems to luuuuv arging stopping power. Not interested in any of that. I'm perfectly aware that a 44 magnum or a 357 has more stopping power than a .38. I'm also aware that 6 rounds does not compare to 8 or 10 or 20. I have made a choice in my daily? or occasional carry weapon- sacrificing some stopping power and capacity in favor of comfort and ease of carry.

[ray1970]

I love the hammerless S&W revolvers for pocket carry in a jacket. In my opinion, they are probably the only revolvers you could actually fire repeatedly while still inside your jacket pocket if needed. You could never get away with that with any auto loader and even revolvers with a bobbed hammer risk pinching fabric with the hammer and not delivering a blow to the firing pin.

[Atrain1]

Ok first off, I have to say it...
Your computer has a button that puts a period after your sentences. Right next to it there's a button that puts a comma in there too. They're only inches away from your fingers. My brain shouldn't hurt after reading your posts lol.

Anyway. I don't have any experience with that manufacturer.
No, I don't believe it would be a good weapon of choice for protecting you and yours. Look for one that offers the highest round capacity, simplicity of use, durability, and reliability. Like a Glock.
I won't say don't give your wife that gun to carry, its better than nothing, but if you have better options for her take advantage of them. I wouldn't let my woman carry a revolver when she has access to a Glock, for reasons stated above and because of trigger pull. My ex had no problem with the trigger on my Security Six but a friend's girl needs to shoot it in single action because she can't reach the trigger in DA.
No, I'm not sure of those specs because I didn't test them myself. But if you click on the link I posted, it gives you the velocity and penetration in water jugs for the load they used with all of the associated numbers, including the length of the test barrel (a 2.5" and a 2"). The only glock I have is a 20, I usualy send her out with her P3AT I have never had a problem with mine I know it is Kel-tec. They should be mostly comma's I must have been tired.

[Atrain1]

There may be instances where I might choose something heavier. I have plenty of options. Atrain seems to luuuuv arging stopping power. Not interested in any of that. I'm perfectly aware that a 44 magnum or a 357 has more stopping power than a .38. I'm also aware that 6 rounds does not compare to 8 or 10 or 20. I have made a choice in my daily? or occasional carry weapon- sacrificing some stopping power and capacity in favor of comfort and ease of carry. I was not looking for a argument I just wanted to know why not a 357, but I got my question answered,and I wanted a little info on the snubnose as you seem to know about the SN 38. I never really spent any time doing research on it, and that was going to be my next question how comfortable is it to carry the 38 vs a small semi auto?

[sneakerd]

I think that's your comfort level with either. I also have a Sig 230 in 380 that I would have no problem carrying. I just don't see any situation where I need some sort of hand cannon to defend myself. I try very hard not to put myself in that type of situation. I primarily want a pistol that is comfortable to carry- then will do 99% of what you will encounter. The .38 with 6 rounds was sufficient to most police depts up until the 80's. I'm comfortable with it as well. This one has a LW frame, so no +Ps.

[ray1970]

I just don't see any situation where I need some sort of hand cannon to defend myself. I try very hard not to put myself in that type of situation. I primarily want a pistol that is comfortable to carry- then will do 99% of what you will encounter. The .38 with 6 rounds was sufficient to most police depts up until the 80's. I'm comfortable with it as well.

Man, you and I have the same philosophy. Most people don't think that way. I can't tell you how many times I have put one of my 38s up for sale and had so many people say things like "if that was a 357 I'd buy it" or "I'm really looking for the same gun only in 357". I would take a firearm that is comfortable to carry and easy to use over some cumbersome, difficult to conceal, flame throwing hand cannon any day and feel perfectly safe doing so.

[Atrain1]

My brother wants to trade me my Taurus 24/7 pro cds 45 for his brand new taurus 4 inch 38 blued revolver, I love the 38 round and it is a very nice looking revolver, but on the same note that is a very fun 45 to shoot but expensive and it makes for a nice ccw gun with 12+1 or 10+1 if you want to go with a shorter mag, but I am a sucker for a nice looking 38 and they are about the same size I think as far as carrying the 45 might be a hair shorter. It has been a hard choice to make I have alot of 45 auto's and only the one 38 snubnose, and a 6 inch Rossi 357 and a 4 inch Taurus 357.

[mcantar18c]

There was a thread recently where I made a similar statement about having 10 rounds in my auto and that being enough and come to find that apparently you need to carry 60+ rounds to "be enough" :).

I have a little .38 that I keep in my "car kit" (like a mini survival pack). I've though of getting one of those hammerless .38's, I love the lines on them.
What asshat told you that? [ROFL1]
I wasn't saying you need X amount to be enough. What I was getting at was that more is always better, and thinking that "oh, I have 7, that should be enough" could be bad for your health... you never know what you might encounter, how many rounds you'll be able to get on target in an actual gunfight, how many you'll miss because of poor visibility or adrenaline, if you'll need to give cover fire so you can get to cover, etc. and so, more is always better.


I have made a choice in my daily? or occasional carry weapon- sacrificing some stopping power and capacity in favor of comfort and ease of carry.
Being armed is supposed to be comforting, not comfortable.


The only glock I have is a 20, I usualy send her out with her P3AT I have never had a problem with mine I know it is Kel-tec. They should be mostly comma's I must have been tired.
I'd look into getting her/you/yall a G19 or similar. Easy to use, easy to carry, easy to conceal, and CHEAP. Just an opinionated suggestion, so take it as you will.


I was not looking for a argument I just wanted to know why not a 357, but I got my question answered,and I wanted a little info on the snubnose as you seem to know about the SN 38. I never really spent any time doing research on it, and that was going to be my next question how comfortable is it to carry the 38 vs a small semi auto?
I've concealed a 4" Security Six .357/.38 AIWB with no problems at all. I suppose it depends on how you're shaped, and females are naturally tougher to conceal a weapon on, but it's definitely doable.


My brother wants to trade me my Taurus 24/7 pro cds 45 for his brand new taurus 4 inch 38 blued revolver, I love the 38 round and it is a very nice looking revolver, but on the same note that is a very fun 45 to shoot but expensive and it makes for a nice ccw gun with 12+1 or 10+1 if you want to go with a shorter mag, but I am a sucker for a nice looking 38 and they are about the same size I think as far as carrying the 45 might be a hair shorter. It has been a hard choice to make I have alot of 45 auto's and only the one 38 snubnose, and a 6 inch Rossi 357 and a 4 inch Taurus 357.
As you said you have plenty of .45s and only one .38, and I'm not much of a fan of the T24/7 as it is, hell I think you'd be coming out on top of that deal. Not telling you what you should do, but that's what I'd do if I were in your shoes.

[sneakerd]

I feel both comforted by the Agent, plus comfortable wearing it. Thus I evidently have the best of both worlds- as I am comfortable and comforted![Weight]