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Limited GM
08-20-2011, 23:07
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/06/nancy-reagan-_n_819255.html
DD977GM2
08-20-2011, 23:34
Ouch, and another guy helping the cause for the antis [Bang]
BushMasterBoy
08-20-2011, 23:49
I think they use a Sig Sauer P229 in .357 Sig...maybe the Sig was faulty. Remember a Secret Service agent is highly trained with a college degree...LMAO
Sharpienads
08-20-2011, 23:59
Man, that sucks how the gun just "went off as the agent was putting it back in its holster". Sounds like a defective gun. Perhaps a lawsuit agains the manufacturer is in order.
Circuits
08-21-2011, 00:03
keep booger hook off bang button and all will be well
Mazin
08-21-2011, 03:49
keep booger hook off bang button and all will be well


^ this x 10
clublights
08-21-2011, 05:07
Having worked 3 different presidential campaigns... I find most Agents to be nice and professional.

everyone has a bad day once in a while........... not as bad as this one most the time... but bad days happen.
M2MG
08-21-2011, 07:13
Having worked 3 different presidential campaigns... I find most Agents to be nice and professional.

everyone has a bad day once in a while........... not as bad as this one most the time... but bad days happen.

Sometimes accidents do happen.....but it's easier to be a cop hater.

M2MG
Bailey Guns
08-21-2011, 07:15
Yeah...some bad days are worse than others. Sucks.
mx'r
08-21-2011, 08:10
He'll get a badge or something I'm sure.
275RLTW
08-21-2011, 08:59
Idiot....no excuse for that to happen.
Geology Rocks
08-21-2011, 10:37
Having worked 3 different presidential campaigns... I find most Agents to be nice and professional.

everyone has a bad day once in a while........... not as bad as this one most the time... but bad days happen.

This...I have family who are USSS.

joe
cstone
08-21-2011, 13:06
I have family employed with the USSS as well.

I normally like to wait to hear the story how something happened before I start slinging mud and stomping on my soap box of righteous gun safety. The USSS does carry P229 with .357 Sig ammo. The handgun involved is winging it's way back to the armorers in Beltsville, MD, as I type this. The weapon will be inspected and stripped to the frame. If there is a problem with the gun, that will be found. Most accidents of this nature are not caused by the gun, they are caused by the agent.

I don't know what caused this gun to discharge, but I will state that it has become one of my practices to place my thumb on the hammer while holstering to ensure there is no hammer movement. On at least one occasion, the holster or a piece of clothing or belt has pressed on the trigger while the weapon is seated in the holster. If this is the cause of the discharge, the USSS will still consider it a shooter induced failure.

I am looking forward to hearing more about this incident as I carry a P229.

Knowledge is power, use it wisely. [Coffee]
BushMasterBoy
08-21-2011, 16:15
Beside shooting yourself in the ass, these firearms could blow up in your face. See link below...

http://www.thegunzone.com/sigp229-fracture.html


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You would think they would use USA manufactured weapons. Maybe we should make Air Force One an Airbus Industries plane too. No wonder one in ten Americans is unemployed...
DD977GM2
08-21-2011, 16:22
Man, that sucks how the gun just "went off as the agent was putting it back in its holster". Sounds like a defective gun. Perhaps a lawsuit agains the manufacturer is in order.

For arguements sake, Im gonna call BS on this theory and blame the SS Agent for having his finger on the trigger and when his finger was caught on the holster as it was inserted, the pressure forced the trigger to be depressed and fired right into his leg.

Guns dont just go off by themselves fualty or not. Its 99.9999% of the time the person making a mistake related to safety and or trigger dicipline saefty violation.
TS12000
08-21-2011, 16:24
Think how much shit this guy is gonna get from his colleagues
Geology Rocks
08-21-2011, 16:37
For arguements sake, Im gonna call BS on this theory and blame the SS Agent for having his finger on the trigger and when his finger was caught on the holster as it was inserted, the pressure forced the trigger to be depressed and fired right into his leg.

Guns dont just go off by themselves fualty or not. Its 99.9999% of the time the person making a mistake related to safety and or trigger dicipline saefty violation.

I think your sarcasm meeter is borked

joe
Bailey Guns
08-21-2011, 16:46
I think your sarcasm meeter is borked

joe

Agreed. Needs some preventive maint on the sarcasm meter.
Clint45
08-21-2011, 20:53
I don't even know if he'll be allowed to guard the President's dog after this. Maybe he can guard former President Clinton's dog . . . or at least carry the pooper scooper device while a more qualified Agent guards him.
DOC
08-21-2011, 21:06
Poor guy I hope he's ok. I don't think this a cause to ban all guns though. But look at the source. Huffingtonpost is one of the leg ticklers for the left wing propaganda machine.
cstone
08-21-2011, 21:23
For those of us who carry SA/DA handguns with decocking levers, this incident may serve as a good reminder to decock before holstering. Very little pressure is needed on the trigger when that hammer is cocked.

Just a thought.
Ronin13
08-22-2011, 10:57
Poor guy I hope he's ok. I don't think this a cause to ban all guns though. But look at the source. Huffingtonpost is one of the leg ticklers for the left wing propaganda machine.

I was waiting for someone to chime in about Huffingtonpost... consider the source, not much considering how short the article is. We really know only one thing- his gun went off while at a range while putting it back in the holster, that's it, it doesn't imply weapon malfunction, user error, clothing getting in the way, or anything... but let's just jump to conclusions anyway!
DOC
08-22-2011, 11:25
If you didn't want someone to point out the Huffington post is a biased source then you/they shouldn't have cited it. Its their own fault they have no credibility not anyone else. They would indite the sunrise if they thought it would help further their cause.
The only reason it was posted is because it was Nancy Reagan's SS that shot himself. Not sure what the long to term goal is but the short term is an embarrassing story that includes and member of the right wing.
What are you doing reading that site anyway? Are you looking to join a radical sect or something? Just go buy some MRE's and you will get all the attention you want.