You have got to be F@$King kidding me? - Part Deux

[Bailey Guns]

From FoxNews:

Aliens Could Attack Earth to End Global Warming, NASA Scientist Frets


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Humanity may just now be entering the period in which its rapid civilizational expansion could be detected by an ETI because our expansion is changing the composition of Earth's (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/19/aliens-could-attack-earth-to-end-global-warming-nasa-scientist-claims/#) atmosphere (e.g. via greenhouse gas emissions), which therefore changes the spectral signature of Earth," the study says.

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It's not bad enough that the man-caused global warming alarmists have cost us billions and billions of wasted dollars combating their imaginary disaster, but now they have to resort to this? NASA sure has changed from the days when they were performing miracles attempting to put a man on the moon. I'm disappointed...so disappointed.

You can read the rest of the bullshit HERE (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/19/aliens-could-attack-earth-to-end-global-warming-nasa-scientist-claims/)...if you're interested.

[Hoosier]

From FoxNews:
Humanity may just now be entering the period in which its rapid civilizational expansion could be detected by an ETI because our expansion is changing the composition of Earth's (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/19/aliens-could-attack-earth-to-end-global-warming-nasa-scientist-claims/#) atmosphere (e.g. via greenhouse gas emissions), which therefore changes the spectral signature of Earth," the study says.


It's not bad enough that the man-caused global warming alarmists have cost us billions and billions of wasted dollars combating their imaginary disaster, but now they have to resort to this? NASA sure has changed from the days when they were performing miracles attempting to put a man on the moon. I'm disappointed...so disappointed.

You can read the rest of the bullshit HERE (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/19/aliens-could-attack-earth-to-end-global-warming-nasa-scientist-claims/)...if you're interested.

One person who is employed by NASA doesn't represent NASA believing that Spacey Aliens are going to come save us from ourselves.

NASA is a science based organization, so it's pretty likely they're going to agree with the science that indicates Earth is warming up due to human activities. Remember NASA has launched some of the satellites (like SOHO) that sit out there and watch the sun, and allow us to factor our things like our local star and it's effects on our weather. They have also launched dozens of satellites that look back at our own planet, and measure atmospheric gasses the amount of sunlight returning to space at different times of the year, over different surfaces of the planet, and above different concentrations of gasses.

This canard that climate scientist are making up numbers to get funding is wrong. Remember that big scandal with the people who's email was hacked and it "revealed" that they were fudging numbers? Climategate, The smoking gun?


Six committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct. [82] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy#cite_note-81) The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_impact_on_the_environment) remained unchanged by the end of the investigation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy#Inquiries _and_reports

Or what about the trope that volcano's release far more greenhouse gases than humans:


Do the Earth’s volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities? Research findings indicate that the answer to this frequently asked question is a clear and unequivocal, “No.” Human activities, responsible for a projected 35 billion metric tons (gigatons) of CO2 emissions in 2010 (Friedlingstein et al., 2010), release an amount of CO2 that dwarfs the annual CO2 emissions of all the world’s degassing subaerial and submarine volcanoes (Gerlach, 2011).

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php

People are really really bad at understanding large numbers. Combine that with the US having really dropped the ball on teaching math and I'm afraid most Americans really cannot wrap their mind around the problem. Add in a dash of "Man can't harm the environment, it's controlled by God" mentality and it's a recipe for disaster.

To believe that tens of thousands of researchers are all faking it for the money, colluding on a conspiracy of such magnitude is not sane. To say that, "They got it wrong in the 70's, it was global cooling then!" proves only that the scientific method self corrects. The more data, the more hypothesis are tested and ruled valid or invalid, the better the forecast becomes.

The final factor to consider here is that the amount of CO2 released each year is greater than the amount the year before. Systems that convert CO2 apart like the rainforests are being destroyed at a tremendous rate, far more CO2 is added than is removed. This leads to forecasts not being a straight line but a curve, and the rate of change is increasing.

All of this leaves aside the fact that we will certainly see peak oil production in our life times, and that we will need to burn fossil fuels for at least the next 20 years just to make the amortization on todays aircraft fleet pay off. This means it's wise to start planning ahead for alternative sources of portable dense energy storage.

H.

[BPTactical]

In other silliness:



VINEYARD HAVEN, Mass. (AP) — President Barack Obama says his low approval rating is a reflection of public unhappiness with Congress.
Obama tells CBS in an interview broadcast Sunday that he’s “impacted,” just like Congress, when people aren’t happy with Washington.
He says he understands that his arguments that the country would have been worse off if he hadn‘t taken certain actions don’t resonate with the millions of unemployed people.
The president, who‘s vacationing on Martha’s Vineyard, Mass., says he expects to be judged in November 2012 on whether things have improved.
Recent public opinion polls have shown Obama’s job approval rating at near 40 percent, the lowest of his presidency.
Obama taped the CBS‘ ’Sunday Morning” interview last Wednesday in Illinois at the end of a Midwest bus tour focused on the economy.



There-we finally got him to admit he is full of Sh!t along with Congress!
Washington needs an enema in '12.

[Bailey Guns]

One person who is employed by NASA doesn't represent NASA believing that Spacey Aliens are going to come save us from ourselves.
"The thought-provoking scenario is one of many envisaged in a joint study by Penn State and the NASA (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/space/nasa.htm#r_src=ramp) Planetary Science (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/space/planetary-science.htm#r_src=ramp) Division,..."
Nasa Planetary Science Division...sounds like more than one person to me. Regardless, the study was obviously endorsed by the organization.


NASA is a science based organization, so it's pretty likely they're going to agree with the science that indicates Earth is warming up due to human activities. Remember NASA has launched some of the satellites (like SOHO) that sit out there and watch the sun, and allow us to factor our things like our local star and it's effects on our weather. They have also launched dozens of satellites that look back at our own planet, and measure atmospheric gasses the amount of sunlight returning to space at different times of the year, over different surfaces of the planet, and above different concentrations of gasses.

Not going to debate the merits of anthropogenic global warming. I think there are enough scientists who disagree with it to make it highly questionable at least.


This canard that climate scientist are making up numbers to get funding is wrong. Remember that big scandal with the people who's email was hacked and it "revealed" that they were fudging numbers? Climategate, The smoking gun?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy#Inquiries _and_reports

Or what about the trope that volcano's release far more greenhouse gases than humans:



http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php


Again, two sides to the story. A couple of links aren't enough to convince me there wasn't at least some fraud taking place. If I cared enough I'm sure I could find additional sources to substantiate my side of the argument. I don't.


People are really really bad at understanding large numbers. Combine that with the US having really dropped the ball on teaching math and I'm afraid most Americans really cannot wrap their mind around the problem. Add in a dash of "Man can't harm the environment, it's controlled by God" mentality and it's a recipe for disaster.

To believe that tens of thousands of researchers are all faking it for the money, colluding on a conspiracy of such magnitude is not sane. To say that, "They got it wrong in the 70's, it was global cooling then!" proves only that the scientific method self corrects. The more data, the more hypothesis are tested and ruled valid or invalid, the better the forecast becomes.

The final factor to consider here is that the amount of CO2 released each year is greater than the amount the year before. Systems that convert CO2 apart like the rainforests are being destroyed at a tremendous rate, far more CO2 is added than is removed. This leads to forecasts not being a straight line but a curve, and the rate of change is increasing.

All of this leaves aside the fact that we will certainly see peak oil production in our life times, and that we will need to burn fossil fuels for at least the next 20 years just to make the amortization on todays aircraft fleet pay off. This means it's wise to start planning ahead for alternative sources of portable dense energy storage.

H.

I won't argue that most of us have a hard time understanding really large numbers and complicated mathematical arguments. But all of that's not really the point here.

There are plenty of people that have arguments against man-made global warming that are every bit as valid as those arguments on the other side. This is NOT settled science and a lefty (not you...just in general) asserting that it is doesn't make it so.

Now. Go back and carefully read what I wrote. I specifically stated the problem lies with the "alarmists". In other words, those that agree with man-caused climate change to the point of adopting a "sky is falling" attitude. The type that want to do "something" regardless of the consequences to our economy and/or livelihood. The "Al Gore" types who are in a position to radically alter policy are the one's that bother me.

I also specifically called it an "imaginary disaster". I didn't say global climate change wasn't occurring. I said it was an imaginary disaster. In other words, it might be occurring or it might not be. Either way, it isn't a disaster that so many of the Church of Anthropogenic Climate Change make it out to be.

Frankly, I think it is occurring. But like many of the scientists with which I concur, I think man has little to do with it. That's "little"...not nothing. I think climate change is a naturally occurring, cyclic event. Now, I'm not a scientist nor am I an expert on climate change on a global scale. But I'm not totally ignorant on the subject either. I was educated by the Air Force to be a "weatherman" back in the 80s and I practiced that trade as a Weather Forecaster for several years, specializing in satellite meteorology and forecasting on a world-wide scale. After the initial year-long school I attended lots of subsequent training in the field of weather forecasting. I was stationed at Global Weather Central in Omaha for 5 years.

Again, doesn't make me an expert on climatology by any means but it gives me a fairly good understanding of some of the science involved.

But I also think official NASA policy is a reflection of the wide swing to the left science has seen in the last 10-20 years. I think it's a wider reflection of how the left has greatly influenced our educational system. I also think it's a reflection of the current occupant in the White House.

Furthermore, I think it's absolutely preposterous that NASA, a science-based organization, resorts to using a ridiculous theory about aliens potentially destroying mankind due to global warming in order to further this obviously leftist agenda.

[Bailey Guns]

In other silliness:



There-we finally got him to admit he is full of Sh!t along with Congress!
Washington needs an enema in '12.

"impacted"...

I see what you did there. That's pretty clever, BP!

[BPTactical]

And yet some more "Sunday Funnies":



New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg apparently thinks he has the answer to creating jobs and spurring the nation’s economy. During an interview on CBS’ “Early Show” Friday, Bloomberg said the “single biggest” thing President Obama can do to create jobs is to allow more immigration — from around the world. “Most importantly, we want to get immigrants from around the world to come to America,” Bloomberg said. “That’s the single biggest thing that the president could do with Congress, is open up the borders to those that will create jobs here.” The New York mayor told CBS that immigrants “don’t take away jobs” but rather they create jobs for people already living in the United States.


WTF?
You gotta stop smokin that cheap NY crack there Micheal.................

[roberth]

From FoxNews:
Aliens Could Attack Earth to End Global Warming, NASA Scientist Frets


I'll write what doctor dimwit really meant to say:

Aliens Could Attack Earth and End My Government Grants to Propagate the Global Warming Hoax.

See it is really all about the money...and telling other people to do things you yourself won't do.

[Holger Danske]

I've got my towel and my favorite number is 42....

[Ridge]

This movie was about global warming...

Qiu-CEylTOM

[Ridge]

However, this is my favorite plot about aliens exterminating all life...

R_NAoNd4YyY

[Hoosier]

This is NOT settled science...I specifically stated the problem lies with the "alarmists"...to the point of adopting a "sky is falling" attitude. The type that want to do "something" regardless of the consequences to our economy and/or livelihood.

All of this is fair enough. No science is settled, of course.


a reflection of the wide swing to the left science has seen in the last 10-20 years

Erm. Any time science has a "bias" that isn't the facts, it's not science. I have no interest in what the "left" or "right" says about science. It runs counter to the entire concept.

H.

[mevshooter]

You both are missing the REAL problem here...

Wild packs of dogs overrunning major cities in America.

[Bailey Guns]

All of this is fair enough. No science is settled, of course.

Erm. Any time science has a "bias" that isn't the facts, it's not science. I have no interest in what the "left" or "right" says about science. It runs counter to the entire concept.

H.

And with that, I agree. Kinda how celebrities so often confuse their fame with wisdom. I don't give a rat's ass about what they think about social issues. I just want to see them ply their craft so I can forget about what's going on in the world for a an hour or two.

Guess that's why I rarely pay to see a movie.

[Elhuero]

I wonder if these are some of the same over educated atheist types that mock anyone who believes in God.

the hypocrisy is astounding.

[Ranger]

I read that article when it came out last week and thought to myself "really, is there nothing newsworthy to report on?" What I got out of this was that "if man made global warming is not stopped immediately, E.T. is going to punish us for it because our GLOBAL warming is quickly becoming UNIVERSAL warming". Barf.

As much as man made global warming has been confirmed it has also been debunked - which to me says "nobody really knows what is happening". The Earth is going to do what she does and I doubt that the tiny speck of humanity has much to do with it.

And no, I also don't have much faith in Wikipedia giving me actual facts about this topic - it's so hotly contested by both sides that whatever Wiki says is going to reflect the pundits who last updated it. Hoosier, I'm surprised you cited it.

[TS12000]

The Earth is going to do what she does and I doubt that the tiny speck of humanity has much to do with it.

Made me think of the Carlin cilp (nsfw)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw

[Ranger]

Made me think of the Carlin cilp (nsfw)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw

I would say that sums up my feelings exactly. It always amazes me how you guys have this mental library of every YouTube video ever made :).

[Hoosier]

And no, I also don't have much faith in Wikipedia giving me actual facts about this topic

Wikipedia is a great place to go to find the synopsis of an issue, and crucially, to find all the sources that talk in depth about a subject. So if you believe that Wikipedia may be factually incorrect, you can refer to the sources.

That said, I think Wikipedia is often very accurate, and inaccuracies that are added are quickly removed. You can go try, make an edit to a post that says something wrong and see how quickly it gets reverted out.

H.

[Ronin13]

I read two things recently... can't cite them, sorry, but here is the gist and they're both from experts on the subject matter:
1- Global warming (in the Al Gore sense) does not exist... instead the earth goes in cycles every 30-100 years where the temperature goes up, then down, then up, then down... you get the idea. Also, as much as we think we're making an impact, every time a large volcanic eruption takes place, scientists can mark a slight decline in Earth temperature (Mount St. Helens they found that it cooled the earth .06 degrees, and another in the pacific rim in 1994 cooled earth .09 degrees).
2- Most likely reason ET will come to earth: Conquest. NASA JPL, SETI, and other ET following scientists say that if we ever did make contact with alien beings from another world they wouldn't be "too smart for violence," instead they'd see all our movies, hear about the theories of "testing" at secret places like Area 51, and decide we'd probably react badly and just show up ready to fight. Either that, or earth has something they need and they will be so powerful they'll just come here and wipe us out and take what they want.

[Mtn.man]

I have been given my Light Saber and have moved to the rank of Junior Jedi.

I will keep you informed as I get more intel.

[spyder]

Alright, screw the whole science shit being discussed in this thread for a second and lets go with a different topic in the "You have got to be fucking kidding me" thread. I started classes today (getting my generals out of the way) and one of the math classes I am in and getting out of tomorrow has math my seven year old can do. Is this a fucking joke? I had the counselor put me in the basic classes so I could just jump in and run on the short ammount of time I had to get down here and do this whole thing, but this is really bad! She put me in the lower classes not knowing what skills I had, I understand that, but the fact that they let people in college with that low of skills is ridiculous. No wonder our country is so damn low in the ratings, we let our kids be fucking retarded.

[TS12000]

I can get on board with that mini-rant, first day at my new school and one of my professors was rocking a La Raza shirt.