Job Killing Illegals

[ronaldrwl]

It gets real tough to hold to your beliefs when it hits your pocket book. I'm getting some work done on the house and have been collecting quotes. Here is a real example:

Non-citizens quotes for a job $800, and $1150.
US-citizen quote: $1850.

I didn't even take quotes from another half-dozen other Mexicans. I could only find one American in my area listed on Craig's List (brick work).

Dang it hurts; but I'm going with the American even at twice the price. I told the guy the situation and he says he deals with it every day. The Mexicans bid real low. And after 17 years it's getting harder and harder to get jobs. He agreed to take $200 off and do it for $1650. And did I mention he speaks perfect English?

[Zundfolge]

Keep in mind that 9 times out of 10 the $800 job done by the illegal will need to be redone in a few short years by the $1850 citizen.

I know the stereotype is that all the general contractors love the cheap Mexican labor, but I know plenty of contractors that refuse to hire illegals because most of them do crap work.

If you need a ditch dug or some trash hauled off, sure they'll do just fine. But for skilled work, don't scrimp.

[SuperiorDG]

The Illegals probably don't have insurance and take cash they don't report. It's much cheaper to run a "business" if you don't pay these expenses.

[cofi]

my wife was recently replaced by an illegal she was making 15$ an hour he came in and was happy for 5 an hour

[Ronin13]

It gets real tough to hold to your beliefs when it hits your pocket book. I'm getting some work done on the house and have been collecting quotes. Here is a real example:

Non-citizens quotes for a job $800, and $1150.
US-citizen quote: $1850.

I didn't even take quotes from another half-dozen other Mexicans. I could only find one American in my area listed on Craig's List (brick work).

Dang it hurts; but I'm going with the American even at twice the price. I told the guy the situation and he says he deals with it every day. The Mexicans bid real low. And after 17 years it's getting harder and harder to get jobs. He agreed to take $200 off and do it for $1650. And did I mention he speaks perfect English?

Ronald, that is bullshit! But in a world where you get what you pay for good for you for going with the American, it'll be quality work. My friend is a general contractor and he has five guys working for him, not one is illegal, but he says he constantly gets outbid for jobs because of all the border hoppers that low ball on the bidding war. We need this fixed soon, I'm getting sick of seeing honest, good, hard working Americans getting put out of business or having to cut back because these illegals come here and screw us over. I would have reported the illegals to INS, not that anything would have happened but if they get enough complaints and our congressmen are made aware of the situation it might be a start.

[Fentonite]

Thanks for "going with the gringo" (nobody get pissy here - I'm referring to citizenship, not race). You put your money where your mouth is[Beer]

[OneGuy67]

Just watched an all Hispanic crew put my neighbors new roof on and I wondered exactly how many of them had real documents...?

[ronaldrwl]

Well, I was hopeing for a warm euphoric wave of goodness to envelope me. But I guess that only works for liberal nut jobs that are saving the planet. I'll be satisfied at trying to do the right thing.

[StagLefty]

There's a guy on here that goes by "Caplock" I think. I met him last summer doing brickwork on the entrance to the park I live at. He said the illegal workforce is hurting him big time. As already stated here I would absolutely go with him on a skilled trade job before I went the cheap route. Just saying [Beer]

[sbouslog]

I had a guy come out to quote refinishing my hard wood floors. He seemed like a good knowledgeable guy so I hired him. The day that the work was supposed to begin 4 mexicans showed up and only one spoke any English. I was not pleased with the end result. What did I learn? Always ask if they will be doing the work themselves or bringing in a "home depot" crew.

[BPTactical]

Just watched an all Hispanic crew put my neighbors new roof on and I wondered exactly how many of them had real documents...?
I need a new roof on my house, I have the insurance check and the ok to commence with the work. I have had 5 roofing contractors give me bids and not one has been able to guarantee me that their crews are composed of lawful aliens with work visa's or residents.
They will not be working on my house.
Looks like when it cools down a touch I will be roofing the place.



This is where it starts people. If we as citizens refuse to do business with firms that employ illegal workers the business owners will get the hint (hopefully).

[rocktot]

Thanks for "going with the gringo" (nobody get pissy here - I'm referring to citizenship, not race). You put your money where your mouth is[Beer]

Yea, thanks for 'going with the Gringo'- Get as pissy as you want. The older I get, the more tribal I get. So what? [Flower]

[beast556]

+1 you hit the nail on the head.


Keep in mind that 9 times out of 10 the $800 job done by the illegal will need to be redone in a few short years by the $1850 citizen.

I know the stereotype is that all the general contractors love the cheap Mexican labor, but I know plenty of contractors that refuse to hire illegals because most of them do crap work.

If you need a ditch dug or some trash hauled off, sure they'll do just fine. But for skilled work, don't scrimp.

[Bailey Guns]

Good for you for hiring the legal guy and paying a little more. I know your pain.

I needed 1200 sq ft of concrete in my barn. Got several bids, many from people I suspected...don't know for sure...were illegal. The lower end bids were around the $3800 range. I went with a local guy, a real-life American, and paid him about $6000.

He did a fantastic job and, while I could've used the extra money, I'm glad I didn't have a bunch of illegal aliens taking money away from legal folks.

[MrPrena]

One of buddie of mine who is hispanic, and owns a painting company.
He complains that illegals are outbidding his work.
He said he would rather do it legally, and just get himself a part time job as a supplementary income.
Now, he got himself a part time job PLUS running his own company.

[mcantar18c]

Thanks for "going with the gringo" (nobody get pissy here - I'm referring to citizenship, not race). You put your money where your mouth is[Beer]

Thanks for going with the gringo. Get as pissy as you want to, I'm referring to both citizenship AND race.

[Fentonite]

"GOING WITH THE GRINGO"

I think we've coined a new phrase!

[jplove71]

Here's something I've learned over the years...

Skilled labor isn't cheap and cheap labor isn't skilled.

[Zundfolge]

Here's something I've learned over the years...

Skilled labor isn't cheap and cheap labor isn't skilled.
Yep ... thats a lesson I too have learned the hard way ... and it ain't about mexicans vs gringos, I've hired plenty of worthless po white boys too.

[Guylee]

My parents went with a guy and his son who did roofing when the hail killed their roof last year. They even had a bible quote on their flyer (I'm not religious, but still think it sends a good message).

Needless to say, not the cheapest but it was excellent work.

[Irving]

My parents insure a ton of contractors, and when ever they need work, they always try to give business to the people they insure. Every time they hire white guys, the job is usually crap though. Kind of funny. They had a deck built and it was total shit. The Mexican carpet guys that came out to carpet it ended up fixing the messed up stairs the white guys hacked together for free.

I'm not trying to to stir the pot, just sharing the unique experience.


Here's something I've learned over the years...

Skilled labor isn't cheap and cheap labor isn't skilled.

and +10 to this.

[JoeT]

we fired our housekeeper last week. She mentioned to my wife that she was here illegally. She seemed surprised when I told her why I was letting her go...

She did a nice job, but at $75 a week in cash, I'd rather it go to an United States Citizen

[El Caballo Loco]

So where/when is the hire on for smoking illegals? Good for you but I feel a bit let down now.

[rocktot]

"Every time they hire white guys, the job is usually crap though"

Uhm, well, How come you know ALL the retarded white guys?

And, uhm, where are these 'master craftsmen' non-Engless speekers?
Do they have a website?
*****[ROFL3]

Gotta hire those 'loco' gringos. No loco, nuthin goin on upstairs..

[Irving]

I never said that they didn't speak English, just that they weren't white.

I think the list was only a few instances.
The terrible deck build.
The concrete parking lot that wasn't sealed.
The plumber that fixed a leak by putting a bucket under it.

On the other hand, the networking guy, the hot tub guy, the computer guy, and the landscaper were all great, and white. Is that better?

[spyder]

They have a citizen's arrest, I wonder why they don't have a citizen's deportation... [Coffee]

[mousegun87]

They have a citizen's arrest, I wonder why they don't have a citizen's deportation... [Coffee]

I am a legal immigrant. Here is an idea to deter illegal immigration. When we deport an illegal, we search for his/her asset and confiscate the monetary value equals to the cost of deportation itself. The American tax payer should not be footing the bills for deporting these people who is likely to come back crossing the border in short time anyway. Forfeit their asset and use the money for deportation purposes.

[lasinvegas]

My parents insure a ton of contractors, and when ever they need work, they always try to give business to the people they insure. Every time they hire white guys, the job is usually crap though. Kind of funny. They had a deck built and it was total shit. The Mexican carpet guys that came out to carpet it ended up fixing the messed up stairs the white guys hacked together for free.



My sister in law went way out of her way to hire americans to install her deck in Westminster. You would think for a deck build running 17k she could have gotten a decent job. The deck looked like shit and it all came down to workmanship. The guys doing it screwed up more materials than they used.

This thread was a big let down for me. I was updating my resume before I opened i tto find out it wasn't a job opening.

[BPTactical]

So where/when is the hire on for smoking illegals?


Again, a completely inappropriate comment...............

Have some goddam tact here people.

Idiota

[spyder]

I think he meant that in an X-rated way (offering his services) BP. Still though, not a good comment...

[ray1970]

I support illegal immigrants. They keep the cost of my groceries down. I don't support a government that caters to them or spends my tax dollars on them though. If the citizenship process for our country wasn't so f**ked up and difficult I imagine there wouldn't be so many of them here illegally in the first place. I have a cousin who married a guy from England. We're talking about a white guy who already speaks the english language better than you or me. And he was married to a U.S. citizen. I think it took about a year to get him over here on a work visa and probably another year and a half before he became a citizen. We shouldn't be surprised that so many of them come here illegally to try to make a better life for themselves.

It does suck that they usually work cheaper than American workers and often outbid them for various jobs. But then again, isn't that what capitalism is all about?

[rocktot]

I never said that they didn't speak English, just that they weren't white.

I think the list was only a few instances.
The terrible deck build.
The concrete parking lot that wasn't sealed.
The plumber that fixed a leak by putting a bucket under it.

On the other hand, the networking guy, the hot tub guy, the computer guy, and the landscaper were all great, and white. Is that better?

Yes, mucho better, -See, not ALL the white guys suck, - (just my male intuition.)

OTOH- I had the worst deck white trash scum bags ever. Used ONE bag of cement for the Deck Foundation poles, not the (25) or so each hole, no 38" holes dug. White, mentally retarded, and took us to court (we won) because we no pay the white-trash, should have been aborted scum-bucket ********** slime.

I have anger toward the White Garbage. Berry Berry Angwy...

[mcantar18c]

Yes, mucho better, -See, not ALL the white guys suck, - (just my male intuition.)

OTOH- I had the worst deck white trash scum bags ever. Used ONE bag of cement for the Deck Foundation poles, not the (25) or so each hole, no 38" holes dug. White, mentally retarded, and took us to court (we won) because we no pay the white-trash, should have been aborted scum-bucket ********** slime.

I have anger toward the White Garbage. Berry Berry Angwy...
Some people are loads their mothers should have swallowed.

[Geology Rocks]

My sister had hardwood floors put in in her town home in DC. The guys kept messing stuff up and everytime she tried to talk to them all they said was..."very busy very busy." she would try again and they would just say the same thing. No one knew a single word of english. I would have had them stop the job and kicked them out of my house.

joe