Nidal Hasan Still on Gov Payroll [Archive] - Colorado AR-15 Shooters Club Discussion Forums

PSS

08-28-2011, 08:30

This is bs. This pos is guilty beyond any doubt and yet still getting a check. Why isn't he hung yet?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/did-you-know-accused-ft-hood-gunman-still-getting-paycheck-from-the-government/

Major Nidal Hasan, accused of the 2009 mass shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 dead, has retained his military rank and continues to get paychecks from the government, the base commander said Wednesday.

sneakerd

08-28-2011, 08:41

What the fuck.[Hang]

BlasterBob

08-28-2011, 08:54

What other Country would allow this shit to go on?? NONE!! With this in mind, it sure makes paying our income tax much easier, huh?
[Mad]

Sharpienads

08-28-2011, 09:05

Yeah, that kinda grinds my gears...

But the good news, from an article dated about a year ago:

"Last month, Bank of America terminated Hasan's account, according to the United Press International, and his lawyer hasn't been able to find any other bank that will do business with him. According to FoxNews.com, Chase Bank, BBVA Compass Bank, Fort Hood National Bank and the Pentagon Federal Credit Union, all have refused him as client."

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Maj-Hasan-Draws-Paychecks-He-Cant-Cash-99894204.html

Good for them.

alxone

08-28-2011, 09:18

What the fuck.[Hang]
no shit

Zundfolge

08-28-2011, 09:25

He hasn't been CONVICTED yet, so until that point the government is supposed to treat him as innocent until proven guilty.

Yes, in cases where the accused is clearly guilty it can be frustrating, but I wouldn't want to change the way things work since often innocent people find themselves charged ... would suck if the law allowed for the complete destruction of people based only on accusations.

I, for one, would much rather live in a country where in order to destroy someone the state has to cross all their T's and dot all their I's.

Nation of laws, not men and all that.

Sharpienads

08-28-2011, 09:58

sneakerd

08-28-2011, 10:08

I think it's called "suspended without pay pending investigation".
Nidal Hassan [M2]

Elhuero

08-28-2011, 12:28

it will be a dishonor if he is not given the death penalty.

Bailey Guns

08-28-2011, 16:08

If he's convicted, I'll volunteer to:

Travel to TX on my own dime
Supply my own .308 rifle
Supply my own .308 ammunition
Pull the triggerNo cost to the taxpayers whatsoever. OK...burial maybe.

Graves

08-28-2011, 16:16

If he's convicted, I'll volunteer to:

Travel to TX on my own dime
Supply my own .308 rifle
Supply my own .308 ammunition
Pull the triggerNo cost to the taxpayers whatsoever. OK...burial maybe.

I wouldn't want that scumbag contaminating our soil so I can chip in some diesel. [Flame]

Ronin13

08-29-2011, 11:09

True, but being in the military, you can get your wages garnished for a lot less than 13 counts of murder. I'm don't know what the whole legality of it is, but I'm sure that they could not pay him and be totally legal if they wanted to.

All they have to pay him is enough for razors, soap and socks... it's in the regs. Also, since there is so much evidence against him, they could hold a prelim hearing and have him demoted to E-1 and wages deducted, that way he only gets about $36/mo- I believe that to be somewhat current figures, since we had a kid convicted of trafficking narcotics, distribution of narcotics, possession with intent to sell and manufacturing narcotics- before he was tried in a Courts Marshall he was reduced to E-1 and only received about $30/mo, and not to mention extra duty for 90 days.

Ronin13

08-29-2011, 11:09

Sharpienads

08-29-2011, 11:15

So I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that he's still getting paid because he's a muslim. We wouldn't want to offend any of the other "peaceful" muslims out there...

UberTong

08-29-2011, 11:35

Our country does fear upsetting the Muslims...

Ronin13

08-29-2011, 11:46

Our country does fear upsetting the Muslims...

Hence why the FBI should have let the radical Christians go through with their plot (I read somewhere a few years back about a group of Christians planning to bomb 2 mosques here in America in retaliation for 9/11, but the FBI foiled the plot). Had they gone through with it it could have made us realize that Muzzies aren't the only bad boys on the block, and no one group should get special treatment.

Lex_Luthor

08-29-2011, 12:01

That should be treason, to keep paying a terrorist after the fact.

Aloha_Shooter

08-29-2011, 12:09

It's not that the Army WANTS to pay him. If he'd been some two-bit hood they'd probably have just Article 15'd him, booted him out and stopped his checks.

Problem here is that they WANT to court-martial him and probably want to execute him for what he did. They have to keep him in uniform to hold him under the UCMJ and they can't demote him until they go through a judicial process. That means they have to keep paying him.

TFOGGER

08-29-2011, 12:48

No cost to the taxpayers whatsoever. OK...burial maybe.

No cost at all if they feed the resulting garbage to a pen full of hogs...

jus' sayin'...

clublights

08-29-2011, 13:34

Sharpienads

08-29-2011, 14:00

Damn some of you all need to chill out a bit on the anti muslim rhetoric.

Paying him has ZERO to do with being Muslim.

It's all about giving him the fairest trial that can. that way their is NOTHING that the defense can use to weasel out of this.

yeah I know he did it, you know he did it, they know he did it, EVERYONE knows he did it.

but until he is convicted he's innocent and most be treated as such within reason.

it's still America folks. that's one of those things that makes this country so great.

Again, as stated before, if you are in the military, you can get your pay taken away for A LOT less that 13 counts of murder.

And I would argue that paying him has everything to do with him being a muslim.

And if I want to say something anti-islamic, I can, because as you said this is still America.

Graves

08-29-2011, 14:02

Again, as stated before, if you are in the military, you can get your pay taken away for A LOT less that 13 counts of murder.

And I would argue that paying him has everything to do with him being a muslim.

And if I want to say something anti-islamic, I can, because as you said this is still America.

^This^
Plus, regardless of his wrap sheet, he's guilty in my eyes...

Ronin13

08-29-2011, 14:10

^This^
Plus, regardless of his wrap sheet, he's guilty in my eyes...

Agreed... and like Emperor Constantine said of the Muslims: "Kill 'em all, let the Lord sort them out."

clublights

08-29-2011, 14:15

Again, as stated before, if you are in the military, you can get your pay taken away for A LOT less that 13 counts of murder.
you think that maybe just maybe the defense would use that to say the trial was unfair... seeing as without a trial they " pre punished him" and say it swayed the jury to convict an " innocent man" ( no I don't think he is innocent far from it .. just saying what the defense attorney is gonna say)
besides I bet ya that part of the punishment upon conviction will be to repay back pay.

And I would argue that paying him has everything to do with him being a muslim.
This I would like to see explained. without going too tin foil hat.

And if I want to say something anti-islamic, I can, because as you said this is still America.
yeah and I can say that when you do... at times... it makes you look ignorant.

And Bravo to the banks that have refused to take his money. So in reality it doesn't matter that he is "collecting" pay.... no one will take his money. What good is a check that you can't cash ?

Ronin13

08-29-2011, 14:22

you think that maybe just maybe the defense would use that to say the trial was unfair... seeing as without a trial they " pre punished him" and say it swayed the jury to convict an " innocent man" ( no I don't think he is innocent far from it .. just saying what the defense attorney is gonna say)

You don't get tried by a jury in a trial by court marshall... military runs on a different set of rules, it's the overseeing officer and maybe a small panel of 2 or three other officers. I don't think they'd give a damn what the defense argues, everyone knows he did it, there is irrefutable evidence against him, and personally I'd like to see this guy taken out back after the verdict is read and put two in his head.

clublights

08-29-2011, 14:31

You don't get tried by a jury in a trial by court marshall... military runs on a different set of rules, it's the overseeing officer and maybe a small panel of 2 or three other officers. I don't think they'd give a damn what the defense argues, everyone knows he did it, there is irrefutable evidence against him, and personally I'd like to see this guy taken out back after the verdict is read and put two in his head.

Yeah I knew it was not exactly a jury ... but the same diff...

Will they care? probably not. but if it temp costs the .gov (again the made to pay back .. or at least hand back his uncashed checks) a few hundred grand ( whatever his exact base pay is times 3 years... I don't know exactly and the number doesn't really matter) just to make sure you dot every i and cross every t to avoid giving this waste of space any chance ... is worth it to me.

Once the verdict is read.........
Where does one sign up to be the trigger man for that one?

Sharpienads

08-29-2011, 14:39

yeah and I can say that when you do... at times... it makes you look ignorant.

Would you mind telling in which instances my "anti-islam rhetoric" made me look ignorant?

What makes you look ignorant is the fact that you don't seem to understand that he can be forced to forfeit his pay as long as it is not intended to be punitive in nature. I don't know if you were ever in the military, but if you were I'm sure you knew plenty of guys who were forced to forfeit pay that weren't charged with murder.

Sharpienads

08-29-2011, 14:46

This I would like to see explained. without going too tin foil hat.

Military members get there pay docked for a lot less. Were they muslim? Maybe, maybe not. But their stories didn't make national headlines. Nadal Hassan hasn't gotten his pay docked. Is he muslim? Yes, and his story made national headlines. They're afraid if they take his pay, it will be viewed as anti-islamic. I really don't think it's that hard to figure out, especially in the ultra-PC culture we live in.

I was stationed at Ft. Hood when this happened. We heard more about being nice to muslims and tolerance than we did about what this asshole actually did.

I agree he should get a fair, but don't hide behind a fair trial as a reason to keep paying him.

clublights

08-29-2011, 15:27

Would you mind telling in which instances my "anti-islam rhetoric" made me look ignorant?

What makes you look ignorant is the fact that you don't seem to understand that he can be forced to forfeit his pay as long as it is not intended to be punitive in nature. I don't know if you were ever in the military, but if you were I'm sure you knew plenty of guys who were forced to forfeit pay that weren't charged with murder.

I singled you out and I should not have. I should have used the wording " makes one look ignorant". I apologize for attacking you directly. it was honestly not my intent. tho it is what I did. Sorry.

nope I didn't go the .mil route.. just saw what I saw from the dependents point of view with a pop that did 20 with the air force.

Sharpienads

08-29-2011, 15:34

I singled you out and I should not have. I should have used the wording " makes one look ignorant". I apologize for attacking you directly. it was honestly not my intent. tho it is what I did. Sorry.

nope I didn't go the .mil route.. just saw what I saw from the dependents point of view with a pop that did 20 with the air force.

No worries. It's easy to get carried away, accidentally or otherwise, on topics such as this.

And I appreciate you father's service. 20 years in the military is quite an accomplishment.

[Beer]

clublights

08-29-2011, 15:36

Military members get there pay docked for a lot less. Were they muslim? Maybe, maybe not. But their stories didn't make national headlines. Nadal Hassan hasn't gotten his pay docked. Is he muslim? Yes, and his story made national headlines. They're afraid if they take his pay, it will be viewed as anti-islamic. I really don't think it's that hard to figure out, especially in the ultra-PC culture we live in.

I was stationed at Ft. Hood when this happened. We heard more about being nice to muslims and tolerance than we did about what this asshole actually did.

I agree he should get a fair, but don't hide behind a fair trial as a reason to keep paying him.

Point taken.

But seeing as .mil has spent more on impact driven tension fastener equipment ( aka a hammer) better to error on the side of caution. In my opinion, which just like an a**hole everyone has one and they all stink.

Hell I'd like to see him driven out to the back 40 of Ft. Hoods range (which if I recall correctly is freaked huge) for daily beatings. but our system doesn't work that way.. which is honestly a good thing... even if it means we can't beat him silly daily.

hollohas

08-29-2011, 15:47

He hasn't been CONVICTED yet, so until that point the government is supposed to treat him as innocent until proven guilty.

I agree with this but will add that the 6th amendment "speedy trial" part gets left out a lot these days and certainly has here. Two years later and he's still not convicted and still getting paid by our government??? That's a fucked system. This dude should have been sentenced to death a long time ago and all his paychecks should have been going instead to our true and loyal American soldiers.

clublights

08-29-2011, 15:49

No worries. It's easy to get carried away, accidentally or otherwise, on topics such as this.

And I appreciate you father's service. 20 years in the military is quite an accomplishment.

[Beer]

I thank you for your thanks ( if that makes sense ? LOL )

I don't post as often as I "lurk"( as in all day everyday .. even on the iPhone when I'm bored at work ) around here. mainly because I consider most of you all smarter and "better" then me ( well with the exception of some of the super trolls that have come and gone) I hold the folks that post here to a higher standard and it makes me sad to watch anyone slip below that.

A large chunk of you are retired or at least former .mil or LE, or have just plain been around the block a few more times then I...

I'm just a goober with a couple guns that can hardly shoot em as it is.

perhaps I'm a bit too idealistic and really want to believe that we really can "all just get along" ( at least the non-extremist muslims and well the rest of the world).

I also tend to ramble in ways that make written text a poor form of communication for me.. I do much better in a conversation. [Bang]

clublights

08-29-2011, 15:59

I agree with this but will add that the 6th amendment "speedy trial" part gets left out a lot these days and certainly has here. Two years later and he's still not convicted and still getting paid by our government??? That's a fucked system. This dude should have been sentenced to death a long time ago and all his paychecks should have been going instead to our true and loyal American soldiers.

The wheels of justice turn slowly .......... even slower the larger the case.. which seems counterintuitive.. but it is how it works and has worked that way as long as I can remember... also has the effect of making the justice system look stupid.

Kinda like my problem with the death penalty...... ( which I am FOR)

It takes so damn long to implement the punishment it holds no real fear for those that break the law's that have the death penalty attached... if they convicted ya then took you out back and put two in the skull.. it would be a lot more scary.... of course the flip side of that coin ... too many folks have been let off after new evidence ... or DNA has shown up proving innocence.

Who was it that said "I'd rather see 100 guilty men go free then 1 innocent man jailed"? or something like that.

And just so we are clear I in NO WAY think Hasan is innocent.

Ronin13

08-29-2011, 16:17

The wheels of justice turn slowly .......... even slower the larger the case.. which seems counterintuitive.. but it is how it works and has worked that way as long as I can remember... also has the effect of making the justice system look stupid.

Kinda like my problem with the death penalty...... ( which I am FOR)

It takes so damn long to implement the punishment it holds no real fear for those that break the law's that have the death penalty attached... if they convicted ya then took you out back and put two in the skull.. it would be a lot more scary.... of course the flip side of that coin ... too many folks have been let off after new evidence ... or DNA has shown up proving innocence.

Who was it that said "I'd rather see 100 guilty men go free then 1 innocent man jailed"? or something like that.

And just so we are clear I in NO WAY think Hasan is innocent.

One of the problems is, some cases take forever to make it to trial, but sometimes it can take a looong time for both sides to prepare for trial. In a court marshall case they build up everything- the evidence, previous OER/NCOERs, medals/awards, training, PT Scores, qualifications, mil ed, civilian ed, criminal history, etc. These things do take time, and I'm kinda glad that there isn't an express lane for the death penalty (and I'm all for capital punishment) because that quote you said rings very true in my ears... I have seen a few cases where an innocent man was almost put to death, but was exonerated by new evidence on appeal and set free. Good example of the death penalty gone horribly wry is "The Life of David Gale." It kinda does preach anti-death penalty, but it's a great movie and it does make you think.

airborneranger

08-29-2011, 16:33

I am getting into this one a little late but if hasn't already been mentioned it all depends on where one is being held in confinement. If you are being held in military confinement then you receive your pay. If you are being held in civilian confinement then you lose your pay. It is as simple as that.

Hoosier

08-29-2011, 19:40