Russian 'special' forces

[mutt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTkOgWx_bTc

This gave me a good chuckle. This has to be some propaganda film because if their SF guys really train like this, oh boy. Or real men in Russia do acrobatics and sissies worry about muzzle discipline. Babblefish translates the title to: 'Practical shooting in the 22th Special Forces Brigade'

[mcantar18c]

That's not sissy acrobatics. Training to fight comfortably from any position and being able to move to and from those positions fluidly is more important that you seem to think.
Try shooting with one hand. Try running while shooting with one hand. Try shooting with your weak hand as your strong hand. Try shooting with only your weak hand. Become ambidextrous with your pistol, your rifle, your movements, and train until you're comfortable doing so and fluid in your transitions. Then train some more.
You don't know what you don't know.

[Ronin13]

That's not sissy acrobatics. Training to fight comfortably from any position and being able to move to and from those positions fluidly is more important that you seem to think.
Try shooting with one hand. Try running while shooting with one hand. Try shooting with your weak hand as your strong hand. Try shooting with only your weak hand. Become ambidextrous with your pistol, your rifle, your movements, and train until you're comfortable doing so and fluid in your transitions. Then train some more.
You don't know what you don't know.

I have a video done by a former Spetnaz operator and he goes over the fluid motions to change your elevation, size of target, and really cool ways to manipulate the AK. I would have hated to see our boys go up against these guys, they were freaking amazing fighters, and it would be a very close match up. Really neat to see their fluid motions from running to prone with as little potential for injury and sound.

[mutt]

That's not sissy acrobatics. Training to fight comfortably from any position and being able to move to and from those positions fluidly is more important that you seem to think.
Try shooting with one hand. Try running while shooting with one hand. Try shooting with your weak hand as your strong hand. Try shooting with only your weak hand. Become ambidextrous with your pistol, your rifle, your movements, and train until you're comfortable doing so and fluid in your transitions. Then train some more.
You don't know what you don't know.

First off, I never said this was sissy acrobatics, though acrobatics should be used loosely here. I said muzzle control, in this video, was for sissies. Considering they continually point loaded weapons at each other, and at whatever is behind the firing line, shows there is nothing serious about this video other than the gross ignoring of basic firearms safety. And while practising fluid transitions to different positions is quite important, there is none of that here. This is a propaganda film to show the sheeple how uber-elite their military is, or it was done to impress some VIP who wanted to see 'fancy' gun handling. Cmon, rolling backwards or turning your back to the enemy, in the open, to reload? You're really going to take this serious? Whatever.

[SuperiorDG]

I don't understand why they turn their backs to the target to do a mag change. I understand the other stuff because that's how I train. [Weight]

[Hoosier]

Cmon, rolling backwards or turning your back to the enemy, in the open, to reload? You're really going to take this serious? Whatever.

I got the impression the reloads were behind pretend cover. They were trying to show constant covering fire alternative between two guys. Which was funny because the tall guy couldn't get his magazine out easily. He also kept firing from the hip, which is no-go. The guy on the left seemed to be better at it.

H.

[Fromk]

I'm glad it takes those guys forever* and look kinda awkward reloading an AK, too. I don't feel so bad now. Pretty cool display of movement and trigger finger discipline.

*compared to reloading an AR

[mutt]

I got the impression the reloads were behind pretend cover. They were trying to show constant covering fire alternative between two guys. Which was funny because the tall guy couldn't get his magazine out easily. He also kept firing from the hip, which is no-go. The guy on the left seemed to be better at it.

H.

Even so, why would you ever turn your back to the enemy while reloading? Don't you always want to keep your eyes on the bad guys as much as possible? This all looked horribly choreographed to me.

[Ronin13]

First off, I never said this was sissy acrobatics, though acrobatics should be used loosely here. I said muzzle control, in this video, was for sissies. Considering they continually point loaded weapons at each other, and at whatever is behind the firing line, shows there is nothing serious about this video other than the gross ignoring of basic firearms safety. And while practising fluid transitions to different positions is quite important, there is none of that here. This is a propaganda film to show the sheeple how uber-elite their military is, or it was done to impress some VIP who wanted to see 'fancy' gun handling. Cmon, rolling backwards or turning your back to the enemy, in the open, to reload? You're really going to take this serious? Whatever.

I'm sure the Spetznaz vets will argue that they know more about weapons safety and how to use them than you ever will. That demo is actually pretty close to what I was shown by a fmr spetznaz. They will say that "it okay to point kalashnikov at partner because true warrior know to control weapon so it fire only when you want it to."

[spyder]

So you guys think that every or even most soldiers in the US in the heat of combat never ever point their rifle at another while moving from one spot to another? Please tell me you're not that ignorant.

[mcantar18c]

First off, I never said this was sissy acrobatics, though acrobatics should be used loosely here. I said muzzle control, in this video, was for sissies. Considering they continually point loaded weapons at each other, and at whatever is behind the firing line, shows there is nothing serious about this video other than the gross ignoring of basic firearms safety. And while practising fluid transitions to different positions is quite important, there is none of that here. This is a propaganda film to show the sheeple how uber-elite their military is, or it was done to impress some VIP who wanted to see 'fancy' gun handling. Cmon, rolling backwards or turning your back to the enemy, in the open, to reload? You're really going to take this serious? Whatever.

You said "acrobatics" and "sissies" in the same sentence...
Muzzle control is nothing more than a comfort level based upon the experience level of you and those around you. Among your average civilian that spends their shooting time on a square range with a bunch of other idiots, or a kid learning basic gun safety, etc. then yes, muzzle control = don't point your muzzle at anything you do not wish do destroy. Among highly trained individuals (spec ops, PMCs, etc.) that use weapons in their everyday lives, there's a much higher comfort level around firearms... muzzle control = don't pull the trigger when your muzzle is pointing at something you do not wish to destroy.
In short, the best safety catch for a gun is the one between your ears, its all just a matter of how much you trust it.
Rolling backwards and around is nothing new. I too got the impression that there's supposed to be a form of cover they're rolling to/changing mags from.

[CapLock]

They are relying on ethics to safely make it through a mag change. Don't you know your not supposed to shoot a man in the back.

[BPTactical]

Nice to see Paula Abdul found another choreography gig.............[Muaha]





They are relying on ethics to safely make it through a mag change. Don't you know your not supposed to shoot a man in the back.


Now thats funny

[KevDen2005]

I really was impressed. Not that I understand why they were doing everything the way they did it, there was movements that I couldn't possibly do

[Irving]

I'm going to practice laying down like that for the rest of the night. I'll probably hit my head on the fireplace.

[stevelkinevil]

I think the oddest thing in the video is that apparently they are trained to turn their backs on the enemy while reloading?? WTH?

[mutt]

You said "acrobatics" and "sissies" in the same sentence...


And two random words from a sentence do not convey context or a coherent thought. All the other words are important too.



Muzzle control is nothing more than a comfort level based upon the experience level of you and those around you.

Right. And every person who ever accidentally shot themselves or some one else had every confidence in their comfort level. Safety rules exist for a reason. I don't care how uber-elite one is, stop following the safety rules and eventually it will end badly. And try reading the comments on the video. The general consensus is this is some kind of dog and pony. Translating the russian to english is a bit tedious, but one get's the idea. The only English comment -

"This demonstration is probably more acrobatic for display purposes and geared toward impressing an unsophisticated audience . . not real life. The movements are inefficient, impractical and contain dangerous muzzle sweep. "

The Russian spec ops are just as skilled and professional as ours. This kind of ballet would be beneath them. This was never meant to be a serious post. Just a WTF is this? Damn.

[Irving]

That's not sissy acrobatics. Training to fight comfortably from any position and being able to move to and from those positions fluidly is more important that you seem to think.
Try shooting with one hand. Try running while shooting with one hand. Try shooting with your weak hand as your strong hand. Try shooting with only your weak hand. Become ambidextrous with your pistol, your rifle, your movements, and train until you're comfortable doing so and fluid in your transitions. Then train some more.
You don't know what you don't know.

Hence the existence of this training exercise.

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[Squeeze]

[quote=Irving;413187]Hence the existence of this training exercise.

Damnit Irving... I clicked the video and damn near choked on my coffee, that was funny as alll hell get out. [ROFL1] Although, those guys have serious moves and were pretty good at it. Still...rediculously funny. Thanks for almost killing me today.

[Poofengle]

Did anybody else notice the pistol drop around 3:16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTkOgWx_bTc#t=3m16s)?

[Irving]

^^^Yikes!

[mutt]

Hence the existence of this training exercise.

Now that's some funny shit there. [ROFL2]


Did anybody else notice the pistol drop around 3:16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTkOgWx_bTc#t=3m16s)?

Wow, totally missed that one. Guess that was an 'Oops!'.

[Bailey Guns]

I saw the pistol drop.

Did you notice the numerous short rounds impacting in the dirt just feet in front of those guys. I saw at least 3 or 4.

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

I saw him drop what I assumed was a makarov too lol....must not have snapped the holster shut after returning it.

I think the turning back to reload thing is a cover issue. If it were combat and they were full armor, the reloader would be hiding behind his partner while reloading.

If those are sissy acrobatics, I don't even qualify as a pussy. My freeking joints would be snap, crackle, breaking rolling around like that [ROFL1]

[Sharpienads]

This video has got to be some sort of joke. It's probably two guys in their backyard shooting range pretending to be tacti-cool. Anybody with basic firearms skills could've probably schwacked these two knuckleheads while they were break dancing in the dirt.

I refuse to take this video seriously.

[sniper7]

lmao, not even close to special forces. My unborn child could take these tards out.