Afghanistan: Are the people capable of change?

[Bailey Guns]

OK...I know Afghanistan has a very troubled past with invading armies going back literally 2000 years or more.

I know they have few natural resources. I know we're not the first country to attempt to "tame" the Afghanis.

I was generally in favor of our forces being over there but my patience has run out. Not because of anything our military is or isn't doing, but because we have little piss-ant politicians who think like politicians instead of warriors.

Anyway, that's not the point.

I read this article today (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/03/us-officers-discovered-routine-neglect-at-afghan-military-hospital/) and it drove me freakin' nuts. Seriously...we're paying the staff of the hospital and they're not treating their own people because they can't afford the bribes? They don't even care enough about their own people to give them basic care? WTF???

These people are not worth dying over. Plain and simple. My son's on his third tour in Afghanistan and he's told me before that the people are just incapable of managing the simplest of tasks, they have zero motivation to improve anything around them and are content to just exist in their stone-age lifestyle.

Fine. I say let's get the hell outta Dodge and let the chips fall where they may over there. To hell with clean water, power, schools, hospitals, roads, adequate food and sewer systems. Fuck 'em. They don't seem to want to improve their lot in life so why should I care.

I've concluded, I don't care.

Seriously. Tell them we've had enough of their bullshit and just say, "See ya!"

I don't see us accomplishing anything worthwhile in that worthless excuse for a country.

[Scanker19]

OK...I know Afghanistan has a very troubled past with invading armies going back literally 2000 years or more.

I know they have few natural resources. I know we're not the first country to attempt to "tame" the Afghanis.

I was generally in favor of our forces being over there but my patience has run out. Not because of anything our military is or isn't doing, but because we have little piss-ant politicians who think like politicians instead of warriors.

Anyway, that's not the point.

I read this article today (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/03/us-officers-discovered-routine-neglect-at-afghan-military-hospital/) and it drove me freakin' nuts. Seriously...we're paying the staff of the hospital and they're not treating their own people because they can't afford the bribes? They don't even care enough about their own people to give them basic care? WTF???

These people are not worth dying over. Plain and simple. My son's on his third tour in Afghanistan and he's told me before that the people are just incapable of managing the simplest of tasks, they have zero motivation to improve anything around them and are content to just exist in their stone-age lifestyle.

Fine. I say let's get the hell outta Dodge and let the chips fall where they may over there. To hell with clean water, power, schools, hospitals, roads, adequate food and sewer systems. Fuck 'em. They don't seem to want to improve their lot in life so why should I care.

I've concluded, I don't care.

Seriously. Tell them we've had enough of their bullshit and just say, "See ya!"

I don't see us accomplishing anything worthwhile in that worthless excuse for a country.

+1,000,000

Edit: Just read the article, I wish I hadn't. fuck that place, lets save our lives and money and come home.

[BPTactical]

they have zero motivation to improve anything around them and are content to just exist in their stone-age lifestyle.


I think you answered the million dollar question right there Bailey...............They dont WANT to change.

[cstone]

Can we keep a small forward airbase (Crusader fortress) for launching and recovering armed drones and SF teams hunting high value targets?

I'm not real interested in nation building in other places while our national boarders and culture are so rapidly deteriorating at home.

I still think we should have forward stationed outposts to draw the stupid ones into firefights we can win. As for patrolling areas where people don't want us, that doesn't make much sense.

God bless and keep your son safe. Please thank him for me the next time you communicate with him. His service to our country is still appreciated by many of us.

[trlcavscout]

+1,000,000

Edit: Just read the article, I wish I hadn't. fuck that place, lets save our lives and money and come home.

Yep, maybe finish everyone off as we are leaving [Beer]

[OneGuy67]

I think you answered the million dollar question right there Bailey...............They dont WANT to change.


Yup!!

[jerrymrc]

It has not changed in thousands of years why now? I did my time in the sandbox and truly feel for the current crop. I try and help them any way I can every day.

[palepainter]

One giant glass bowl. Kind of tough to care for those unwilling to care for their own.

[roberth]

I've been watching that war and I have come to the same conclusions.

I wouldn't call Afghanistan a country like the United States is a country. Afghanistan is more like a collective of warring tribes that happen to populate a geographical place on earth named Afghanistan.

The Afghan people like their tribal infighting and the constant conflict. We're trying to impose our values on them and frankly they don't like it. We should stop and get out of there. Sometimes we just have to let people be, Afghanistan is one of those places. When the Taliban move back in and assume partial control we need to just let them be, in couple hundred years maybe they'll get sick the of the Taliban or maybe not.

You want to hurt the Taliban? Spray agent orange or some poppy killing chemical all over their fields, then you'll hurt them. Monitor them from satellite and when they get a compound or a farming collective up and running drop a couple of low-yield cruise missiles on it. Get our people out of there, use technology instead.

[SA Friday]

afanistan used to have ski resorts and has been on and off considered a tourism location. They used to have spas Nd pretty decent hotels. Not over the entire country, but enough to support multiple locations. The Taliban cam into the picture in the late 60s and things started to go bad.

You're now dealing with the generations that have been raised since the Taliban took control. They have a different view of politics and life in general. It will take generations of living a different way until change happens there. Geopolitical change is measured in generations, not years. The generations of poverty have altered their values. Generations of rule based on Hambali based Islamic teachings have twisted their society.

I am far from a bleeding heart. Just ask anyone who knows me [LOL]. I sincerely hate that shit hole, I pretty much dislike the entire middle east, but I also experienced enough of the world to want to look real deep before completely condemning an entire country.

[mcantar18c]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...
Asscrackistan is a shithole, populated by shitheads, and when we pull out it will just revert back to the way it's been for centuries. We might save it from the Taliban, but we can't save it from the Afghans.

[Byte Stryke]

afanistan used to have ski resorts and has been on and off considered a tourism location. They used to have spas Nd pretty decent hotels. Not over the entire country, but enough to support multiple locations. The Taliban cam into the picture in the late 60s and things started to go bad.

You're now dealing with the generations that have been raised since the Taliban took control. They have a different view of politics and life in general. It will take generations of living a different way until change happens there. Geopolitical change is measured in generations, not years. The generations of poverty have altered their values. Generations of rule based on Hambali based Islamic teachings have twisted their society.

I am far from a bleeding heart. Just ask anyone who knows me [LOL]. I sincerely hate that shit hole, I pretty much dislike the entire middle east, but I also experienced enough of the world to want to look real deep before completely condemning an entire country.


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[Bailey Guns]

Good to see you back, Byte.

[waxthis]

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X2!!!!!!!...Oh, and welcome back Byte.:)