Fossil fuels...

[mcantar18c]

... are not running out anytime soon. In addition to the shitload of oil we're sitting on top of here in the US and not using (20+ years worth at current consumption rates, I have links for this somewhere... and this is excluding the SPR), it turns out there's enough nat gas in (under?) country to last us a few centuries and even eliminate our dependence on foreign oil.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/31/linbd_fossil_fuels

[Sharpienads]

Yeah, now if only we didn't have an oppressive government that won't let us tap those resources we'd be set.

[BREATHER]

I don't know about this issue being oppressive, but I beleive they're trying to save "our" fossil fuel until the other sources dry up... Which is pretty fuckin stupid, because if we get to that point we got more trouble than we need..

[streetglideok]

Yeah, down the road, if we and canada are the last hold outs for oil, and gas, you can expect interference from outside our country, well, kind of like Iraq!

[Bailey Guns]

Uhhh...no. Not like Iraq at all.

[Sharpienads]

I don't know about this issue being oppressive, but I beleive they're trying to save "our" fossil fuel until the other sources dry up... Which is pretty fuckin stupid, because if we get to that point we got more trouble than we need..

I would definately call it oppressive. The EPA has blocked an oil pipeline from Canada to the US, the government has tried to stop drilling in the gulf, the government is trying to take away Exxon's lease after a big find in the Gulf... all while pushing a worthless "green" agenda.

[Scanker19]

Uhhh...no. Not like Iraq at all.

Our insurgents would be better marksmen.......

[mcantar18c]

Our insurgents would be better marksmen.......

Only a small portion would actually hit their targets, most who do are likely to be prior military. Its a psychological thing.
I agree about the gov't being oppressive.

[mcantar18c]

To expand on that last comment... only about 15-20% would be emotionally capable of actually taking a life, and those who do are mostly individuals who have killed before, and most of those would be ones who have killed in a military capacity since while your a hardcore gangbanger might have more experience fighting an urban guerilla war as a guerilla fighter, he probably won't have the motivation or resolve to fight an insurgent war against an invader.

[Graves]

Put a man's back against the wall and you'll be surprised what he's ready to do. The majority of gun owners can infact hit targets without prior .mil training. Those who've killed on a .mil capacity started somewhere...just sayin.

I've been out to the range with several of my friends who've seen combat and I was surprised how many of them shot worse than my wife (to their credit, she's a pretty good shot).

[mcantar18c]

You'd be shocked at what he ISN'T willing to do.
I'm not talking about punching holes in paper or mannequins or even performance in training exercises. I'm talking about killing another human being... something which we as a species have a strong resistance to, even greater than that of self-preservation in some cases. The resistance to killing one's own species can be seen in every life form throughout the animal kingdom, including ours, and doing so generally puts great emotional stress on the killer.
This "safety catch" that prevents us from killing our own species without being conditioned to do so is a large part of why the camel-f*ckers can't shoot worth a crap. They probably don't shoot much worse than an American would in the same position when practicing on their ranges, but as seen with soldiers in WWII, at the last second they almost subconsciously shoot high or sometimes don't shoot at all. On the other side of this, our soldiers can kill more easily because they have been conditioned to be able to.
In WWII, WWI, the Civil War, the battles of Napoleon, etc., examination and study by many different people and groups has consistently shown disproportionally low casualty rates compared to the effectiveness of the weaponry and troops. In fact, in all of these wars, the risk of becoming a psychiatric casualty from extended exposure to combat or falling ill from disease was greater than being killed by the enemy, and most of the casualties inflicted on the opposing force were done by artillery and other long range weaponry that allowed the killer to create a psychological and mechanical barrier between himself and his victim.
Based on hit rates in training, a 200 man regiment in the Civil War should have been able to hit 120 enemy soldiers at 75 yards in the first volley of fire, which would equal 480 hits per minute (assuming a ROF of 4 RPM). Yet, even at the average range of contact of 30 yards, a regiment only killed 1-2 enemies per minute.
The only way to overcome this resistance that exists in all but 1-2% of the population is through training in such a way that's more like conditioning, in which you desensitize the trainee to the act of killing, justify it to them, and dehumanize their targets. This Pavlovian-like conditioning of soldiers raised the firing rate from 15-20% in WWII to 50-55% in Korea and even to 90-95% in Vietnam (which is why you start seeing a huge increase in the number of PTSD cases coming from 'Nam compared to previous wars, as more soldiers were killing and thus experiencing the common psychological repercussions of doing so).

More on this tomorrow (today) after I get some sleep.

[colocowboy01]

Yeah, down the road, if we and canada are the last hold outs for oil, and gas, you can expect interference from outside our country, well, kind of like Iraq!

The Communist Chinese government could see fit to invade the US so that they could take control of our resources. Who knows the Chinese government might even tell their people that the securing of the US oil reserves would pay for the invasion and war.

[Irving]

Never mind.

[Bailey Guns]

The Communist Chinese government could see fit to invade the US so that they could take control of our resources. Who knows the Chinese government might even tell their people that the securing of the US oil reserves would pay for the invasion and war.

They'd better bring a shitload of body bags.

[Graves]

You'd be shocked at what he ISN'T willing to do.
I'm not talking about punching holes in paper or mannequins or even performance in training exercises. I'm talking about killing another human being... something which we as a species have a strong resistance to, even greater than that of self-preservation in some cases. The resistance to killing one's own species can be seen in every life form throughout the animal kingdom, including ours, and doing so generally puts great emotional stress on the killer.
This "safety catch" that prevents us from killing our own species without being conditioned to do so is a large part of why the camel-f*ckers can't shoot worth a crap. They probably don't shoot much worse than an American would in the same position when practicing on their ranges, but as seen with soldiers in WWII, at the last second they almost subconsciously shoot high or sometimes don't shoot at all. On the other side of this, our soldiers can kill more easily because they have been conditioned to be able to.
In WWII, WWI, the Civil War, the battles of Napoleon, etc., examination and study by many different people and groups has consistently shown disproportionally low casualty rates compared to the effectiveness of the weaponry and troops. In fact, in all of these wars, the risk of becoming a psychiatric casualty from extended exposure to combat or falling ill from disease was greater than being killed by the enemy, and most of the casualties inflicted on the opposing force were done by artillery and other long range weaponry that allowed the killer to create a psychological and mechanical barrier between himself and his victim.
Based on hit rates in training, a 200 man regiment in the Civil War should have been able to hit 120 enemy soldiers at 75 yards in the first volley of fire, which would equal 480 hits per minute (assuming a ROF of 4 RPM). Yet, even at the average range of contact of 30 yards, a regiment only killed 1-2 enemies per minute.
The only way to overcome this resistance that exists in all but 1-2% of the population is through training in such a way that's more like conditioning, in which you desensitize the trainee to the act of killing, justify it to them, and dehumanize their targets. This Pavlovian-like conditioning of soldiers raised the firing rate from 15-20% in WWII to 50-55% in Korea and even to 90-95% in Vietnam (which is why you start seeing a huge increase in the number of PTSD cases coming from 'Nam compared to previous wars, as more soldiers were killing and thus experiencing the common psychological repercussions of doing so).

More on this tomorrow (today) after I get some sleep.

Put the bottle down and get some sleep bud, you're putting waaaaaaay too much thought into this. You're #'s stink of your own shit.

[Scanker19]

They'd better bring a shitload of body bags.

That's why we built the FEMA coffins. [Tooth]

[Atrain1]

All I know is I used to drill for it, and there is enough Oil under Colorado to last us the next 100 years, so we are not coming even close to running out it is moving it is the problem, can not move it out fast enough. And of course we have guys in office that are into oil.

[roberth]

Oil is the lifeblood of this economy. We need to remove the roadblocks to jumpstart the economy. Unfortunately the lie that is green energy rules the roost right now.

[strm_trpr]

My dad works for a small western US based oil company. The Federal Government illegally breached their contract on land sold by the BLM and told his company they were taking the land back so that they could not drill there. We have no refineries built recently which hurts and we don't have the infrastructure necessary to ship oil and gas to where the prices are highest to get the best profit for the small companies, who in turn will do more exploration and in turn find more oil and gas.

[Atrain1]

If we were to get it from our own country it would drive prices of oil down by the barrel significantly, in turn would drop gas prices and our good old boys in the white house would not make there cut, there is were the problem is.

[mcantar18c]

Put the bottle down and get some sleep bud, you're putting waaaaaaay too much thought into this. You're #'s stink of your own shit.
Actually, no. That was all from S. A. Marshall, Ben Shalit, Ardant du Picq, and others, and Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's studies that put everything together. Those numbers are real... almost unbelievable, until you dig deeper and understand the psychology and human nature behind it. Pretty interesting, eye opening stuff. You should check out Grossman's books "On Killing" and "On Combat."
The scary thing is that media violence (graphic video games, slasher movies, etc.) are desensitizing our society as a whole to violence and killing, removing the "safety catch." Without this safety catch its just a matter of having the right combination of external factors and bam, Johnny will kill. Take a fresh young gangbanger facing their initiation... they've been desensitized and conditioned by media and society and no longer have a very strong safety catch. Then the external factors of an authority figure making a strong demand for them to kill (the gang leader they're trying to impress), group anonymity and accountability (as opposed to individual responsibility), creating distance between them and their target (dehumanizing them or demoralizing their cause) and other factors all come together like the perfect storm to enable him to make that first kill.

[Bailey Guns]

You should check out Grossman's books "On Killing" and "On Combat."

Excellent works.

[Byte Stryke]

The Communist Chinese government could see fit to invade the US so that they could take control of our resources. Who knows the Chinese government might even tell their people that the securing of the US oil reserves would pay for the invasion and war.

Oh, I can think of a few trillion reasons the Chinese won't invade.

[tonantius]

I work in grease industry and it is true that there is plenty of oil and natural gas in Canada and the U.S. Actually lots in Mexico, too, but they are very incompetent in pulling it out of the ground.

North Dakota has untapped oil reserves greater than Saudi. All of US has more than all of the Mid-east. If the EPA were nullified by 10th Amendment and/or Commerce clause, or any other means under the 2nd amendment, or a Constitutional Convention, by the States, the production issue would go away.

As an example of their idiocy, the EPA has declared hay to be a polluntant for ranchers and farmers. Although I think it is part of the communist plan to destroy all capitalism.

[Atrain1]

Actually, no. That was all from S. A. Marshall, Ben Shalit, Ardant du Picq, and others, and Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's studies that put everything together. Those numbers are real... almost unbelievable, until you dig deeper and understand the psychology and human nature behind it. Pretty interesting, eye opening stuff. You should check out Grossman's books "On Killing" and "On Combat."
The scary thing is that media violence (graphic video games, slasher movies, etc.) are desensitizing our society as a whole to violence and killing, removing the "safety catch." Without this safety catch its just a matter of having the right combination of external factors and bam, Johnny will kill. Take a fresh young gangbanger facing their initiation... they've been desensitized and conditioned by media and society and no longer have a very strong safety catch. Then the external factors of an authority figure making a strong demand for them to kill (the gang leader they're trying to impress), group anonymity and accountability (as opposed to individual responsibility), creating distance between them and their target (dehumanizing them or demoralizing their cause) and other factors all come together like the perfect storm to enable him to make that first kill. Holy crap we actually agree on something that is exactly what movies like house of 1000 corpses and saw do there is no point just unnecessary violence for us and our youth to be desensitized to the real thing, not many people I have come across are smart enough to see that.

[colocowboy01]

Oh, I can think of a few trillion reasons the Chinese won't invade.

Problem is that when the US dollar loses its reserve currency status we lose those few trillion reasons. That is when we will have to switch to guns.



P.S. Byte Stryke, It is good to see that you are back.

[sniper7]

I don't know about this issue being oppressive, but I beleive they're trying to save "our" fossil fuel until the other sources dry up... Which is pretty fuckin stupid, because if we get to that point we got more trouble than we need..

could be smart. Once we use up all the "cheap" oil...yes even at todays prices. we will have some of the most sought after resource known to man. We will use some ourselves and work our way to get off dependency, and could sell the rest to china for oh...100 million a barrel! or just give them the rights to it (with very strict restrictions) and write off all our debt.

[sniper7]

I work in grease industry and it is true that there is plenty of oil and natural gas in Canada and the U.S. Actually lots in Mexico, too, but they are very incompetent in pulling it out of the ground.

North Dakota has untapped oil reserves greater than Saudi. All of US has more than all of the Mid-east. If the EPA were nullified by 10th Amendment and/or Commerce clause, or any other means under the 2nd amendment, or a Constitutional Convention, by the States, the production issue would go away.

As an example of their idiocy, the EPA has declared hay to be a polluntant for ranchers and farmers. Although I think it is part of the communist plan to destroy all capitalism.


Yep. My mother-in-law works in insurance for farm bureau. apparently the EPA wants to tax farmers for their dust put into the air from their fields....fucking ridiculous.

[clublights]

Yep. My mother-in-law works in insurance for farm bureau. apparently the EPA wants to tax farmers for their dust put into the air from their fields....fucking ridiculous.

How would a farmer stop putting dust in the air ? I mean seriously .. isn't kinda one of those things that comes with the way things work ?

[Byte Stryke]

Yep. My mother-in-law works in insurance for farm bureau. apparently the EPA wants to tax farmers for their dust put into the air from their fields....fucking ridiculous.


How would a farmer stop putting dust in the air ? I mean seriously .. isn't kinda one of those things that comes with the way things work ?



this is the EPA trying to justify a larger budget for next year.

[clublights]

this is the EPA trying to justify a larger budget for next year.

THAT makes more sense then anything else....

[sniper7]

this is the EPA trying to justify a larger budget for next year.


this was going to be my answer.

they already tax you on gas, for your emissions, now they can get farmers for putting dust in the air. next thing you know, you will be taxed for breath C02 into the atmosphere by both the forest service and EPA.

and I only wish I were joking.

[streetglideok]

They'd better bring a shitload of body bags.

Problem is, theres a portion of the country like us that would fight to the death to keep them commies out. Then theres a huge portion who would welcome the chinese with open arms.

[Byte Stryke]

Problem is, theres a portion of the country like us that would fight to the death to keep them commies out. Then theres a huge portion who would welcome the chinese with open arms.

The Chinese aren't going to invade us, If they took over, they would effectively nullify the debt and then have to deal with all of the liberals...

[DFBrews]

this was going to be my answer.

they already tax you on gas, for your emissions, now they can get farmers for putting dust in the air. next thing you know, you will be taxed for breath C02 into the atmosphere by both the forest service and EPA.

and I only wish I were joking.

you are more right than you think that is the going to be the next regulated emission in the diesel industry in 07 we did particulates in 2010 it was NOX next according to the engineers from my factory training class last week is CO2

[Scanker19]

Problem is, theres a portion of the country like us that would fight to the death to keep them commies out. Then theres a huge portion who would welcome the chinese with open arms.

Who said the bags were for the chinese?

[Bailey Guns]

Who said the bags were ONLY for the chinese?

Yeah. That.

[Troublco]

you are more right than you think that is the going to be the next regulated emission in the diesel industry in 07 we did particulates in 2010 it was NOX next according to the engineers from my factory training class last week is CO2

They have to keep finding things to regulate to attempt to, or make a show of, keeping themselves relevant. EPA, OSHA, DOT, and other Govt. alphabet agencies, in my opinion, have gone from doing almost anything good to being a destructive force that seems to be hell bent on destroying our economy.