Speeding ticket in the mail

[hollohas]

Question for our legal and LEO types...

The wife got a speeding ticket in the mail from Denver, 10mph over. I have heard that you don't have to pay any traffic fines for speeding unless you are personally served. Is that true? I read Colorado Revised Statutes 42-4-110.5 Part 2(a)(II) and I really can't decipher the language in the Statute. Does mailing it count as it being served?

The ticket says that if you don't pay it then a "Penalty Assessment Notice" will be personally served upon you with an additional fee of up to $59. I do see in the Statute it says they can't charge more than the actual usual costs of being served...

Secondly, in part (2)(d) it requires very specific requirements for posting a sign stating that they are clocking speed from one of these vans...I'd like to see Denver show proof that this sign was in place. I have seen these vans before and never seen a sign...

Should I press our luck and see if they actually serve her in 90 days out of my personal belief that traffic tickets should have to be given to you in person by a cop (<$99 dollars at risk) or should I just mail a check and be done with it ($40)?

[BushMasterBoy]

What a rip off our legal system is. Damn governor ought to be ashamed. You have a right to confront your accuser! How do you confront a machine? Get me a hammer!

[tonantius]

Peter Boyles says they are not legal. But I would talk to a lawyer about it.

[Sharpienads]

How can they even prove that you received the letter?

[sneakerd]

Just pay it and call it a day. If you don't, she may be stopped in the future and find she's driving on a suspended license. Don't arm-wrestle a guy bigger than you- you'll lose one way or the other.

[Ready Room]

Write the check...take photo of check...send photo of check...

I didn't know about the signs - sounds like something to look into as I have never seen one up either.

[Delfuego]

They have to physically serve you to force you to appear. This is done by a process server of the court. If you can dodge this person, then likely you are GTG. But if you are served, you will be responsible for the ticket and the cost of the process server. I am no LEO, but have done some research on this after I got one.

[roberth]

Don't pay it and deny you ever received it, of course it is too late to deny it since you opened this thread.

[TFOGGER]

Just pay it and call it a day. If you don't, she may be stopped in the future and find she's driving on a suspended license. Don't arm-wrestle a guy bigger than you- you'll lose one way or the other.

They can't suspend your license, these carry no points. Most counties will tell Denver to pound salt if asked to serve a summons based on one of these tickets. If the OP doesn't live in the City and County(People's Republik) of Denver, chances of getting actually served are bordering on zero. I may have been mailed one of these years ago, and may have summarily ignored it. I have been pulled over a number of times since they hypothetically sent me the stupid ticket, and no officer has made any mention. I have also renewed my driver's license since then.

[hollohas]

Just pay it and call it a day. If you don't, she may be stopped in the future and find she's driving on a suspended license. Don't arm-wrestle a guy bigger than you- you'll lose one way or the other.

From what I read in the law, Denver can't even report outstanding judgments or warrants from traffic violations detected by automatic identification systems to the DOT.

[hollohas]

Don't pay it and deny you ever received it, of course it is too late to deny it since you opened this thread.

And I'm sure they'll monitor all the internet activity of anyone associated with my wife over $40...

[JohnTRourke]

ignore it
rip the fucker up and throw it away
they have to PERSONALLY serve you for it to be valid
and yes, they can charge you for it if they do (the $59), but it's not going to happen. It's just revenue generation. Fuck 'em.

I've thrown away multiple ones over the past 10+ years. still standing. new driver's license, CCw, whole bit, nobody cares, it's just revenue generation.

and don't just fucking "just pay it". That's how we end up with stupid shit like this because people just bend over and take it.

[sneakerd]

I respectfully disagree. One way or another I think it will come back and bite you down the road if you do not. Some day I think you'll wish you had paid it.

[alxone]

Write the check...take photo of check...send photo of check...

[ROFL1]

[Bailey Guns]

Colorado law requires personal service. I'd make them serve me. Then I'd probably pay the fine. Or, if I didn't have anything better to do, I'd ask for a trial.

15 years as a cop and untold number of tickets written I went to traffic court twice. Won both cases simply because the defendant never denied committing the offense. Defendants try to explain why the ticket and/or officer were wrong rather than explain why they didn't do what was charged.

Make them serve you then decide whether or not to pay the fine/go to court. I wholeheartedly agree with the "don't just pay it" sentiment.

[funkfool]

Write the check...take photo of check...send photo of check...

+1 - Or just send photo of cash...

[Sharpienads]

+1 - Or just send photo of cash...

Even better.[ROFL1]

[hollohas]

I respectfully disagree. One way or another I think it will come back and bite you down the road if you do not. Some day I think you'll wish you had paid it.

Yes, I have to make sure my future presidential bid isn't put in jeopardy. [Coffee]

But in all honesty, I haven't decided yet...

It is interesting to hear that some others may or may not have ignored them in the past. I also found a local newspaper that ran an article suggesting people don't pay them and even posted video and pictures of the camera vans breaking the traffic law...Not exactly sure when the article was published but it said that Denver made over $3.5M one year from these things...

http://www.glendalecherrycreek.com/t,news_template/m,news_detail?id=335

Video (http://www.kdvr.com/videobeta/a8f41181-1d16-41c8-a57f-a5ea79af23f4/News/Photo-radar-vans-break-traffic-laws-to-catch-law-breakers)

Denver's retarded.

I'll probably wait to see if they come knocking and then pay the fine if they do.

[Elhuero]

I'll probably wait to see if they come knocking and then pay the fine if they do.


just be careful, it might be these guys that come knocking.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/elhuero/swat-team-at-abraxas_145001.jpg



you know, for their safety.

[Bailey Guns]

Hey...worst case - the cops show up you can blame it on the wife. It's a win/win scenario for ya!

[hollohas]

Hey...worst case - the cops show up you can blame it on the wife. It's a win/win scenario for ya!

It was the wife...I'm safe.

[kidicarus13]

Here's an idea... knocking doesn't equal personal service.

[colocowboy01]

+1 - Or just send photo of cash...

They will try and get you on counterfeiting charges then. [Tooth]

[SuperiorDG]

One of my employees got a photo radar ticket and they sent it to me because it was my truck. Sent them a copy of my DL and told them to compare it to the photo they took of my employee driving the truck. Denied my clam and said I had to appear in court to prove my case. Mailed the check for $40.00 bucks and took it out of his check. Wasting a day in court was not worth it. [Bang]

[Fentonite]

ignore it
rip the fucker up and throw it away
they have to PERSONALLY serve you for it to be valid
and yes, they can charge you for it if they do (the $59), but it's not going to happen. It's just revenue generation. Fuck 'em.

I've thrown away multiple ones over the past 10+ years. still standing. new driver's license, CCw, whole bit, nobody cares, it's just revenue generation.

and don't just fucking "just pay it". That's how we end up with stupid shit like this because people just bend over and take it.

This.

If they fail to serve you in 90 days, it's gone. No suspended license. No boogie-man waiting for you down the road. It's been in several news stories; it's pretty common knowledge.

[sneakerd]

Ok then- I guess I was wrong. Learn something new every other day.

[Fentonite]

Here ya go:
http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-photo-radar-tickets-may-not-be-worth-the-paper-theyre-written-on-20110428,0,6858710.story

[hammer03]

It was big in Arizona too. They couldn't hold people responsible for things they never (could prove that they) received. The state missed out on something like 75&#37; of the profit the crooks that installed/operated the camera system said they would make, and ended up losing money on the deal.

[Colorado Luckydog]

ignore it
rip the fucker up and throw it away
they have to PERSONALLY serve you for it to be valid
and yes, they can charge you for it if they do (the $59), but it's not going to happen. It's just revenue generation. Fuck 'em.

I've thrown away multiple ones over the past 10+ years. still standing. new driver's license, CCw, whole bit, nobody cares, it's just revenue generation.

and don't just fucking "just pay it". That's how we end up with stupid shit like this because people just bend over and take it.


This!!^^^^^
This is nothing more than revenue. If they pay someone to serve you, it would cost them money. They can pound salt in their ass.

The sheeple will just bend the fuck over and take it in the ass.

[Drilldov2.0]

I thought we went through this bs before about a decade ago? I have noticed traffic cams and photos being snapped by static cameras at intersections. I have to say the flashes from the cameras are VERY distracting and will cause accidents. I Assume this would be there demise after a few deaths from accidents based on the flashes.

They are very easy to defeat with a simple flash and sensor placed inside of your windshield at the right angle.

[sniper7]

I was speeding in boulder and got nailed by their mobile van. looking back I should have not paid. I don't live in boulder, not in the county or city. It would take too much effort on their part to come after me.

I would not pay. If anything you never received it. Unless you have to sign for the letter they don't know if you got it.

[streetglideok]

Question for our legal and LEO types...

The wife got a speeding ticket in the mail from Denver, 10mph over. I have heard that you don't have to pay any traffic fines for speeding unless you are personally served. Is that true? I read Colorado Revised Statutes 42-4-110.5 Part 2(a)(II) and I really can't decipher the language in the Statute. Does mailing it count as it being served?

The ticket says that if you don't pay it then a "Penalty Assessment Notice" will be personally served upon you with an additional fee of up to $59. I do see in the Statute it says they can't charge more than the actual usual costs of being served...

Secondly, in part (2)(d) it requires very specific requirements for posting a sign stating that they are clocking speed from one of these vans...I'd like to see Denver show proof that this sign was in place. I have seen these vans before and never seen a sign...

Should I press our luck and see if they actually serve her in 90 days out of my personal belief that traffic tickets should have to be given to you in person by a cop (<$99 dollars at risk) or should I just mail a check and be done with it ($40)?

I'll be the bad guy here. Did she in fact speed 10mph over? If so, she broke the law regardless, and instead of trying to pull the trick of using a technicallity, be the better person, accept the responsibility of committing the crime, and pay the fine, and move on. Easiest solution to avoid the problem, is to not speed in the first place. There are some cases where making the gov't do their part in prosecuting and proving their case is prudent, but this isnt one of them. If you murdered someone, and were arrested, would you owe up to what you did, or would you try and beat the charge and be an OJ?

[Colorado Luckydog]

I'll be the bad guy here. Did she in fact speed 10mph over? If so, she broke the law regardless, and instead of trying to pull the trick of using a technicallity, be the better person, accept the responsibility of committing the crime, and pay the fine, and move on. Easiest solution to avoid the problem, is to not speed in the first place. There are some cases where making the gov't do their part in prosecuting and proving their case is prudent, but this isnt one of them. If you murdered someone, and were arrested, would you owe up to what you did, or would you try and beat the charge and be an OJ?

This is one of the stupidest post I have ever read. I'm at a loss for words. Just dumbass stupid. Your Obama pin is hanging crooked on your shirt.

[Irving]

Does having a ticket placed on your car count as being served? They tell you they can/will do all kinds of things if you don't pay parking tickets.

[sneakerd]

Hey ColoLuckyDog- Streetglide is ok, he has a right to his opinion and attacked no one. Don't think he earned your attitude.

[van7559]

This is one of the stupidest post I have ever read. I'm at a loss for words. Just dumbass stupid. Your Obama pin is hanging crooked on your shirt.

I am with you on this one, our local govt. has the hands in too many pockets as it is. Why should the citizens play fair? They sneak around on these damn motor cycles, vans and everthing else. If I ever get one I won't pay the fucker! besides that I see fawking cops all the time breaking the fawking law. Just because your in a patrol car doesn't mean you don't have to signal, or you get to do 10-15 mph over just cause you can. Hell the other day I had one come into my lane while trying to text or dial a phone. Fucker had the nutz to shoot me a dirty look for honking. [Bang]

[Troublco]

I wouldn't pay the damn thing either. I'm getting tired of how "1984"-like things are getting. If they want to give you a ticket, then they can have an officer clock you, pull you over, and ticket you. These revenue generation schemes piss me off; these various municipal governments are learning their budgeting and spending habits from the Feds and trying to fill the gaps with crap like this. Just another example of government in action.

[streetglideok]

This is one of the stupidest post I have ever read. I'm at a loss for words. Just dumbass stupid. Your Obama pin is hanging crooked on your shirt.

I am truly sorry you feel this way. Your anger has you truly confused however, as I am a registered republican, that moved from a state that was 100&#37; "red" in 2008. In being a conservative leaning individual, I am more interested in doing the right thing, then to get by with whatever I can try, as that is more of the liberal mentality. I applaud you in your opinion though, as a supporter of the US Constitution, I believe in your right of free speech. I am sorry though you believe I lack intelligence, and condemn me for speaking my opinion. Perhaps you doth protest too much? It is one thing to rant about liberals and how they have messed up the country, its another thing to actually live by the standards one claims the liberals have destroyed.


Hey thanks for sticking up for me sneakerd![Beer]

[gnihcraes]

I'll be the bad guy here. Did she in fact speed 10mph over? If so, she broke the law regardless, and instead of trying to pull the trick of using a technicallity, be the better person, accept the responsibility of committing the crime, and pay the fine, and move on. Easiest solution to avoid the problem, is to not speed in the first place. There are some cases where making the gov't do their part in prosecuting and proving their case is prudent, but this isnt one of them. If you murdered someone, and were arrested, would you owe up to what you did, or would you try and beat the charge and be an OJ?

I'd also have to comment, I drive through the Photo Radar zones each morning and evening on the way home. Know where they are located? School Zones nearly 100% of the time. Speed limit is 20. She was probably doing 30. Pay the fine. Respect the children and their safety.

[Irving]

Thou doth protest too much. Not "you death" lol.


I've never seen one in a school zone yet. Near one, but not in one.


Carry on.

[streetglideok]

There, fixed it for ya

[Daniel_187]

I read on fox 31 to not pay it worst comes to worst a cop comes to your house and you get the ticket

[TFOGGER]

School zones I could see. The ones on Santa Fe and Monaco, parked on the sidewalk or in the grass, are simply revenue tools. Most speed limits are set arbitrarily low, particularly on some of the main arteries.

[BushMasterBoy]

Now I remember running a yellow light in Pueblo, goddamn flash nearly blinded me. It was from a government condoned camera. Camera was supposed to capture those running red lights and then they issue a ticket.
I guess they won't take it down 'til somebodys
grandmother dies in a car wreck because she was blinded by the camera flash. Government run by corporations is fascism at it finest...

(cameras are paid for by Co.'s and .gov gives them a share of the fines)

[Squeeze]

just be careful, it might be these guys that come knocking.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/elhuero/swat-team-at-abraxas_145001.jpg



you know, for their safety.

Well..if these guys come knockin' I wouldn't be too worried. They have blank firing adapters on the end of their rifles. [ROFL2] They would be in for a rude awakening...I don't have any blanks for my rifles. [AR15]

[Squeeze]

And never paid a single one. All three went over the 90-day mark and nobody "breech, bang & cleared" my house to get me to pay it. However, I did find out that if you crinkle them up thoroughly, they are a good source for "emergency use" toilet paper. Thats what I think of photo "communist" radar and the Shity & Cunty of Denver.

[Sparky]

Here ya go:
http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-photo-radar-tickets-may-not-be-worth-the-paper-theyre-written-on-20110428,0,6858710.story

I seen this report when it aired on TV. The reporter admitted on TV he doesn't pay them.

[hollohas]

I'll be the bad guy here. Did she in fact speed 10mph over? If so, she broke the law regardless, and instead of trying to pull the trick of using a technicallity, be the better person, accept the responsibility of committing the crime, and pay the fine, and move on. Easiest solution to avoid the problem, is to not speed in the first place.

The job of traffic enforcement belongs to the police. If she is served we will pay. Additionally, if I am ever directly written a ticket by a police officer for speeding, I will pay no questions asked (only been ticketed once in my driving life)

This happened during rush hour. We all know it is impossible to speed in Denver during rush hour. What should be a 25 minute commute becomes a 60 min hell for her during evening rush hour. 40MPH 1 block from a stop sign...please. She wasn't drag racing.

Which brings me to my update...

I drove by the area the ticket was issued from. The van was not there but what I did see was a permanent notice that photo-radar was in use...there is a small sign bolted to another sign...in DIRECT violation of the law that allows use of mobile radar vans. The law requires temporary signs.

They did not follow the law to even be there running radar in the first place. Technicality? Absolutely. But if you want to let the government regulate and ticket outside the law then have at it... technicalities are not tricks, they're what keeps the law in check.


I'd also have to comment, I drive through the Photo Radar zones each morning and evening on the way home. Know where they are located? School Zones nearly 100% of the time. Speed limit is 20. She was probably doing 30. Pay the fine. Respect the children and their safety.

A lot of assumptions here ^^^
-This was NOT from a photo-radar zone...it was a mobile enforcement unit.
-The area was NOT a school zone, it was residential, which along with school and construction zones are the only places where photo-radar can be used (this does not apply to the stop light cameras)
-No children were at risk and I will take offense if you were suggesting she would ever put any kids at risk...we are parents and both drive UNDER the speed limit in school zones. But I'll take your comment as a general one meant as a PSA rather than a direct accusation.

Thanks all for the input, I'll update in 90 days...if I can remember that long.

[hollohas]

Does having a ticket placed on your car count as being served? They tell you they can/will do all kinds of things if you don't pay parking tickets.

Good question. I don't know what the law for parking tickets says but the law for automatic photo-radar tickets doesn't allow them to do anything to you other than pay a fee for the cost of personally serving you. It doesn't allow them to tow or boot your car or even report the infraction to the DMV.

[TFOGGER]

Does having a ticket placed on your car count as being served? They tell you they can/will do all kinds of things if you don't pay parking tickets.

Parking tickets are administrative, not moving violations. Yeah, they can make your life miserable if you don't pay, which sucks, because if some asshat pulls the ticket off of your car before you see it, you're fuxed

[Guylee]

I think you better pay it.

You wouldn't want our fair capitol city to suffer from a lack of revenue, would you? We all have to do our part to make sure the great and wonderful city of Denver flourishes for years to come!

[JerryG]

That's a good one squeeze, had me go and look at that picture again. Only one of them actually has a magazine in.
I thought that you can request a full picture instead of the cropped up pic they send you. There could actually be more than one car in it if it was multiple lane use.

[glock74]

Just pay it.

[Ronin13]

Parking tickets are administrative, not moving violations. Yeah, they can make your life miserable if you don't pay, which sucks, because if some asshat pulls the ticket off of your car before you see it, you're fuxed

You mean there is no defense for this? Such as, how can they prove I received the ticket or not? Doesn't the burden of proof fall on the accuser? Innocent until proven guilty! Am I wrong?

[sbouslog]

Don't pay it. That article in the cherry chronicle just came out last week.

[TFOGGER]

You mean there is no defense for this? Such as, how can they prove I received the ticket or not? Doesn't the burden of proof fall on the accuser? Innocent until proven guilty! Am I wrong?

In practice, yes, there is no defense, no appeal. Your Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights have no bearing. Most of the time, the people issuing the tickets are not police officers, or in many cases, even city employees; they're contractors. IF you decide to contest a ticket of this nature, chances of success are effectively zero. You have no right to a jury of your peers, no right to confront the accuser, nad, zip, zero, zilch. [Rant1]

Don't get me started on "parking tickets" issued by those pay to park assholes downtown...f**king criminals[Rant2]

[DD977GM2]

It was big in Arizona too. They couldn't hold people responsible for things they never (could prove that they) received. The state missed out on something like 75% of the profit the crooks that installed/operated the camera system said they would make, and ended up losing money on the deal.

I may have been photographed doing 65 in a 55 in Phoenix a few years ago. I may have also ignored it and may have been given advice from a friend in Phoenix who said the very same.
All it is is a revenue generator and a farce. [Bang]

[Ronin13]

In practice, yes, there is no defense, no appeal. Your Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights have no bearing. Most of the time, the people issuing the tickets are not police officers, or in many cases, even city employees; they're contractors. IF you decide to contest a ticket of this nature, chances of success are effectively zero. You have no right to a jury of your peers, no right to confront the accuser, nad, zip, zero, zilch. [Rant1]

Don't get me started on "parking tickets" issued by those pay to park assholes downtown...f**king criminals[Rant2]

I don't want to get you started, but is there any truth to the unpaid parking tickets can mean you get your license suspended?

[Lex_Luthor]

I don't want to get you started, but is there any truth to the unpaid parking tickets can mean you get your license suspended?

YES. It happened to my fiance, and she has court for it this week. Something happened at the DMV, and essentially, she has 2 profiles with 2 different license numbers (one maybe was her permit before DL or something, not sure). One of the profiles doesn't have specific info in it like her height, weight, etc. It's going to be a far stretch, but we're not sure if that'll help her get this thing wiped clean, or if it'll stick regardless.

[streetglideok]

No chance she blew the stop sign? Those things do screw up, but so do drivers. I'd be suspicious she blew the stop, and by speeding got picked up. You'll pay or not pay, regardless of what we say on here, I'm not exactly sure why it was even brought up? To me, there is times when some human error was made, but the enforcement, and act of the law was in good intent, then there is an almost criminal like nature of some laws and their enforcement. I think this falls under the former, but thats my opinion, and unlike driving a car, its a RIGHT I have. Driving is a privvy, not a right, something people forget. That neighborhood has likely had problems with speeders, and stop sign runners, and perhaps thats why they were there. There was every good intention there to protect the public from excessive speeding, and even during rush hour, some streets you can beat the speedlimit on, even in almighty Denver. When I see people try to weasel out of situations, instead of taking responsibility for their actions, it reflects the kind of person they are. Judging by the comments that go with this thread, it tells me alot about some people, just like the thread a while back about someone losing a gun at a range. Being a gun owning american doesnt mean you have class, you have to show it sometimes. And by that, this is where I step out of this ring.

[hollohas]

Thanks almighty streetglideok for your priceless assumptions and judgement. Heaven forbid someone ask a question about the legality of a situation without having his and his wife's judgement, character and class attacked by the "Holier-than-thou" keyboard moral police. Your definition of class needs a little more thought...

Thanks to the rest of you however for your useful input.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I think you should all pay them so that my taxes are lower. ;)

Can we ticket slow people??

[OneGuy67]

-The area was NOT a school zone, it was residential, which along with school and construction zones are the only places where photo-radar can be used (this does not apply to the stop light cameras)

I'm not sure where you got that information and I would be interested in knowing if you can remember. I've seen their photo radar van on Santa Fe, just north of Evans a number of times and that isn't or wasn't any of the above.

I've heard Tom Martino and others discuss these tickets, but I have to throw the caveat out there. Not all of them occur in the city of Denver, who I understand doesn't do much follow up. There are cities out there who do attempt personal service for those tickets not immediately paid. Be sure to note which city sent you the notice. It may not have been Denver.

[hollohas]

I'm not sure where you got that information and I would be interested in knowing if you can remember.

Yes, it was in the Colorado Revised Statues I mentioned in the OP. 42-4-110.5 (B)(g)(I) or something like that...I forgot to include that they can use them next to parks too...


Be sure to note which city sent you the notice.

It was from Denver.

[DOC]

I got one at the bottom of the hill by my house and a car just naturally speeds up there so I was thinking entrapment. But the picture of the driver couldn't be made out. Couldn't tell who was driving so I ignored it and was waiting for my day in court.
Its been years and nothing. Knock on wood.

[Clint45]

If you ignore the ticket, the fine will double, collection costs and interest will be added, and they will get a judgement to garnish your wages or bank account. If that is, indeed, a photo of your wife's car with her face and the tag clearly visible -- and it was mailed to the correct address -- they can do this.

If she was not in that area on that day, or insists she was not speeding, ahe can take a day off from work to hang out with the drunks and druggies for a while so she can have her say in court. She does not need an attorney for this. If she shows up in court to dispute the ticket and it was not in a school zone, 50/50 chance it will be dismissed.

Bottom line: either pay it or fight it, but DO NOT ignore it thinking it will go away.

Oh, service through the mail is standard for Denver government agencies. A creditor or private party to a lawsuit needs to have it personally served with a notarized return of service filed, but the DA and traffic control can mail you a subpoena if they want . . . and if you fail to appear they WILL issue a bench warrant for contempt of court . . . even if it was mailed to the wrong address.

Denver does lots of illegal stuff on a fairly regular basis. That is just they way they do things here. It is effective, expedient, and they decide what rules need to be enforced.

[JohnTRourke]

If you ignore the ticket, the fine will double, collection costs and interest will be added, and they will get a judgement to garnish your wages or bank account. If that is, indeed, a photo of your wife's car with her face and the tag clearly visible -- and it was mailed to the correct address -- they can do this.


WRONG WRONG WRONG

NO THEY CAN'T.

If they serve it personally, then it's a real judgement, but since that isn't going to happen (because it's a money loser, and it's all about the money).
Until then, you are stupid to pay it. It's like a fine for stupidity.

[mcantar18c]

Denver does lots of illegal stuff on a fairly regular basis.
I personally see no reason to follow illegal laws. YMMV.



If you ignore the ticket, the fine will double, collection costs and interest will be added, and they will get a judgement to garnish your wages or bank account.

....

Bottom line: either pay it or fight it, but DO NOT ignore it thinking it will go away.

Oh really now? ......


I may have been mailed one of these years ago, and may have summarily ignored it. I have been pulled over a number of times since they hypothetically sent me the stupid ticket, and no officer has made any mention. I have also renewed my driver's license since then.


I've thrown away multiple ones over the past 10+ years. still standing. new driver's license, CCw, whole bit, nobody cares, it's just revenue generation.


Colorado law requires personal service. (This is coming from a man with 15 years as a LEO)


And never paid a single one. All three went over the 90-day mark and nobody "breech, bang & cleared" my house to get me to pay it.

[hollohas]

If you ignore the ticket, the fine will double, collection costs and interest will be added, and they will get a judgement to garnish your wages or bank account.

Oh, service through the mail is standard for Denver government agencies. A creditor or private party to a lawsuit needs to have it personally served with a notarized return of service filed, but the DA and traffic control can mail you a subpoena if they want . . . and if you fail to appear they WILL issue a bench warrant for contempt of court . . . even if it was mailed to the wrong address.

Denver does lots of illegal stuff on a fairly regular basis. That is just they way they do things here. It is effective, expedient, and they decide what rules need to be enforced.

Any backing to this or is it just a guess? After reading Colorado law regarding automatic radar cameras it is my understanding that they can't do most of this. If you don't pay the original notice then they can send someone to serve you. All they can do at that point is add a fee for the cost of sending someone to your house... No interest, no other fees. Potentially an extra $59. They can't issue a bench warrant, boot your car, revoke your license...they can't even report the ticket to the state. Furthermore, as far as I can tell, Denver is not following state law regarding the use of automatic radar cameras so I can't imagine they will want to bring anyone to court and have that come to light...

[Irving]

Clint45, what you said is what they do for parking tickets.

Streetglideok, you have some serious backwards thinking comrade.

[sniper7]

No chance she blew the stop sign? Those things do screw up, but so do drivers. I'd be suspicious she blew the stop, and by speeding got picked up. You'll pay or not pay, regardless of what we say on here, I'm not exactly sure why it was even brought up? To me, there is times when some human error was made, but the enforcement, and act of the law was in good intent, then there is an almost criminal like nature of some laws and their enforcement. I think this falls under the former, but thats my opinion, and unlike driving a car, its a RIGHT I have. Driving is a privvy, not a right, something people forget. That neighborhood has likely had problems with speeders, and stop sign runners, and perhaps thats why they were there. There was every good intention there to protect the public from excessive speeding, and even during rush hour, some streets you can beat the speedlimit on, even in almighty Denver. When I see people try to weasel out of situations, instead of taking responsibility for their actions, it reflects the kind of person they are. Judging by the comments that go with this thread, it tells me alot about some people, just like the thread a while back about someone losing a gun at a range. Being a gun owning american doesnt mean you have class, you have to show it sometimes. And by that, this is where I step out of this ring.

So I assume you drive the speed limit at all times, fully stop at all stop signs, and obey all laws and posted signs? If not do you find the nearest police officer and let him know what you did and ask for a ticket and for him to render judgement on you?

If not, then there isn't much of an argument on your side. You can say "yeah she broke the law and a camera caught her doing it", but what happens if they install a camera and computer on your car that is GPS equipped that reports every time you break one of the laws, then the state you register your vehicle with sends you a monthly bill for them all? You would probably go bankrupt.

There is a big difference between some BS automatic system designed for revenue, and a police force that is there to use discretion and write tickets when they feel necessary, what they are paid to do and what their job title is.

If you don't agree with that, then I hope I am the one selling the GPS units required on all cars and can work in a 5% personal profit from all the revenue.

[theGinsue]

Write the check...take photo of check...send photo of check...


[ROFL1]

Oh, sure, funny until they send you a picture of a pair of handcuffs.

[Ronin13]

Oh, sure, funny until they send you a picture of a pair of handcuffs.

I was just going to say this. IIRC didn't some guy in LA do that years ago and the story spread like wildfire on the interwebz?

[Byte Stryke]

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[Irving]

I was just going to say this. IIRC didn't some guy in LA do that years ago and the story spread like wildfire on the interwebz?

It is a very popular joke that has spread around the radio and internet.


The day after I said that I had never seen a photo radar van in a school zone, I saw one.

[Clint45]

Any backing to this or is it just a guess? After reading Colorado law regarding automatic radar cameras it is my understanding that they can't do most of this. If you don't pay the original notice then they can send someone to serve you. All they can do at that point is add a fee for the cost of sending someone to your house... No interest, no other fees. Potentially an extra $59. They can't issue a bench warrant, boot your car, revoke your license...they can't even report the ticket to the state. Furthermore, as far as I can tell, Denver is not following state law regarding the use of automatic radar cameras so I can't imagine they will want to bring anyone to court and have that come to light...


I got one of those tickets last year. It said that the fine would double after 30 days and collection costs would be added. Right Of Way Enforcement can boot you over this. They don't even know why they are booting or towing vehicles half the time -- they drive very slowly down every street, scanning EVERY license plate with their laser thingy, and if it pings they stop and do whatever the computer tells them to do. If you've ignored several of these tickets, I'd be careful parking on public roads in Denver, especially Downtown and in Cap Hill. No "proof" for you, but that is just how Denver does things. Had my car towed over an "investigative hold" because some yuppie bitch from out of state said I scratched the paint on her car in a parking lot. No-one could tell me why my car was towed for nearly a week, and it cost me over $400 to get it out of impound.

Last year I had a Judge call me on my cell to ask me where I was -- didn't even identify herself as a Judge or clarify what the call was about. Asked me why I wasn't in court. I thought it was one of the attorneys at the firm I was working for until she said that she was issuing a bench warrant for my arrest and hung up. I drove home, googled her number, and found out who it was. Called the clerk and was told that I'd been subpoenaed to appear for a traffic violation. I never was served a subpoena. They said it was mailed to me, but I never got it. Turned out the ADA sent it as a stamped letter -- not registered, not certified, not even delivery confirmation -- and it went to my old address. My attorney said they do that all the time. So yeah, they do that here. It probably is illegal, but Denver has never cared about that.

[Irving]

Denver said they would do all that stuff to me over the parking ticket I didn't pay. I heard on here that they could make it so you couldn't buy a gun unless you paid, so I ponied up the over 2x the original amount. I asked if I could settle, and all that stuff, but they wouldn't do it. The first guy I talked to about it was a total fucking ass clown. I should have spoken to his manager. Fucking idiot.

They never did end up doing any of that stuff though.

[Clint45]

Denver said they would do all that stuff to me over the parking ticket I didn't pay. I heard on here that they could make it so you couldn't buy a gun unless you paid, so I ponied up the over 2x the original amount. I asked if I could settle, and all that stuff, but they wouldn't do it. The first guy I talked to about it was a total fucking ass clown. I should have spoken to his manager. Fucking idiot.

They never did end up doing any of that stuff though.

I do not know, for certain, what Denver does to drivers who do ignore the traffic camera tickets, but given how they handle other minor offenses I doubt very much if they'll simply drop it.

I do know for a fact that if your vehicle is WRONGFULLY impounded they never waive or refund impound fees . . . and if you don't bail your car out of impound they sell it at auction. Denver is notorious nationwide for that. Notorious for the "Denver boot" as well.

If you want to risk ignoring a Denver photo ticket thinking nothing is gonna happen to you, go right ahead and tell us how that works out. I got mine a month after the alleged offense and had no recollection of driving in that area on that day, but it was my face and tag number in the photo so I just paid it. I think it was something like $80.

[JackImpact]

Dont pay that crap! Stick it to em! Stand up for yourself!

[Byte Stryke]

or you can just listen to your own inner fears, disregarding the constitution and state laws, giving in to the illegal scare tactics of the libtard party of Denver.

Proof? naah
proper serve of citation? pffft...


Just give denver all of you money AND your rights.




fucking sheep

[TFOGGER]

If you want to risk ignoring a Denver photo ticket thinking nothing is gonna happen to you, go right ahead and tell us how that works out.

Any number of people on this thread have done exactly that. So far, no horror stories. [Beer]