Something I have never seen covered...

[TFOGGER]

Re: Carry at National Cemeteries

I was visiting an old friend at Ft. Logan (passed in 05), and it occurred to me that it was federal property. I didn't happen to be carrying at the time, but it did pique my curiosity. Being a federal facility, what category does it fall under? Military installation? National Park?

[Bailey Guns]

Good question. I had to look it up. National cemeteries are under the control of the Dept of Veterans Affairs.

This is what I found in 38 CFR Sec 1.218:

1.218 - Security and law enforcement at VA facilities.

(a) Authority and rules of conduct. Pursuant to 38 U.S.C. 901, the following rules and regulations apply at all property under the charge and control of VA (and not under the charge and control of the General Services Administration) and to all persons entering in or on such property. The head of the facility is charged with the responsibility for the enforcement of these rules and regulations and shall cause these rules and regulations to be posted in a conspicuous place on the property.

(13) Weapons and explosives. No person while on property shall carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, except for official purposes.

[TFOGGER]

Good question. I had to look it up. National cemeteries are under the control of the Dept of Veterans Affairs.

This is what I found in 38 CFR Sec 1.218:
1.218 - Security and law enforcement at VA facilities.

(a) Authority and rules of conduct. Pursuant to 38 U.S.C. 901, the following rules and regulations apply at all property under the charge and control of VA (and not under the charge and control of the General Services Administration) and to all persons entering in or on such property. The head of the facility is charged with the responsibility for the enforcement of these rules and regulations and shall cause these rules and regulations to be posted in a conspicuous place on the property.

(13) Weapons and explosives. No person while on property shall carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, except for official purposes.

Thanks, Carl [Beer]. I didn't see any signs on my way out, so they may be posted somewhere else.

[Bailey Guns]

Sure...here's some more that I found while reading further:

(b) Schedule of offenses and penalties. Conduct in violation of the rules and regulations set forth in paragraph (a) of this section subjects an offender to arrest and removal from the premises. Whomever shall be found guilty of violating these rules and regulations while on any property under the charge and control of VA is subject to a fine as stated in the schedule set forth herein or, if appropriate, the payment of fixed sum in lieu of appearance (forfeiture of collateral) as may be provided for in rules of the United States District Court. Violations included in the schedule of offenses and penalties may also subject an offender to a term of imprisonment of not more than six months, as may be determined appropriate by a magistrate or judge of the United States District Court:

(37) Possession of firearms, carried either openly or concealed, whether loaded or unloaded (except by Federal or State law enforcement officers on official business, $500.

(38) Introduction or possession of explosives, or explosive devices which fire a projectile, ammunition, or combustibles, $500.

(39) Possession of knives which exceed a blade length of 3 inches; switchblade knives; any of the variety of hatchets, clubs and hand-held weapons; or brass knuckles, $300.

(40) The unauthorized possession of any of the variety of incapacitating liquid or gas-emitting weapons, $200.

[newracer]

There are signs posted at Fort Logan.

[Byte Stryke]

Sure...here's some more that I found while reading further:

(b) Schedule of offenses and penalties. Conduct in violation of the rules and regulations set forth in paragraph (a) of this section subjects an offender to arrest and removal from the premises. Whomever shall be found guilty of violating these rules and regulations while on any property under the charge and control of VA is subject to a fine as stated in the schedule set forth herein or, if appropriate, the payment of fixed sum in lieu of appearance (forfeiture of collateral) as may be provided for in rules of the United States District Court. Violations included in the schedule of offenses and penalties may also subject an offender to a term of imprisonment of not more than six months, as may be determined appropriate by a magistrate or judge of the United States District Court:

(37) Possession of firearms, carried either openly or concealed, whether loaded or unloaded (except by Federal or State law enforcement officers on official business, $500.

(38) Introduction or possession of explosives, or explosive devices which fire a projectile, ammunition, or combustibles, $500.

(39) Possession of knives which exceed a blade length of 3 inches; switchblade knives; any of the variety of hatchets, clubs and hand-held weapons; or brass knuckles, $300.

(40) The unauthorized possession of any of the variety of incapacitating liquid or gas-emitting weapons, $200.



so if you have a liquid anthrax sprayer its not as severe as if you have a legal carry weapon?

oi vey

[68Charger]

so if you have a liquid anthrax sprayer its not as severe as if you have a legal carry weapon?

oi vey


LOL, I think that's intended for pepper spray...

if you're carrying around biological WMDs, they just may be able to find some more severe charges to tack on... [Swim]

[Ronin13]

I actually asked my buddies uncle about the VA weapons free policy (he's a retired DPD LT) and my question raised an eyebrow and started a little friendly debate... I'll paraphrase:
Me: So it says no weapons allowed on the property [VA Hospital] concealed or not, but what about locked in my car's glove box when I have a doctors appointment? Would that be okay?
Uncle: Hmm, that's a slippery one. Best bet is to leave it at home.
M: Yeah, but what if I'm not going straight from home to the VA then back home? Now I'll be out in that dangerous world full of criminals and psychotic liberals without protection!
U: Ya know, you really need to learn this phrase 'I do not consent to any illegal searches.' What they don't know can't screw you over. Just don't tell 'em I told you to do it. If a man speeds on an empty road and there's no one to bust him he's still breaking the law.

[Byte Stryke]

LOL, I think that's intended for pepper spray...


Breath Freshener is a weapon?


[ROFL1]

[TFOGGER]

Breath Freshener is a weapon?


[ROFL1]

Breath freshener + lighter = [Flame]

YQ8Ix53SUwg

[Cman]

Breath freshener + lighter = [Flame]

YQ8Ix53SUwg

So if I use that and burp I'm a leathal weopon? [LOL]

[BlasterBob]

So it says no weapons allowed on the property [VA Hospital] concealed or not, but what about locked in my car's glove box when I have a doctors appointment? Would that be okay?


I make frequent trips every month from Trinidad down to the VA Hospital in Albuquerque and I had asked the Government police on duty at the Albq VA about this. These "dangerous" weapons are not allowed on any part of the VA property. Locked up in your vehicle or not, they are NOT allowed on the grounds. I usually carry a Spyderco lock blade knife, The Worker, which has a 3-inch serrated blade. The cop that I asked about the knife said no problem with the 3-incher and with that he pulled out his own Spyderco with a similar size blade. I do know that you do not want to argue with those Federal cops as they are extremely firm on enforcement of their Federal statues on Government property. No weapons policy also applies to the DAV van with Government plates that we drive to transport patients from Raton, NM to Albq.

[68Charger]

Breath Freshener is a weapon?


[ROFL1]

[ROFL3]"Don't try this at home kids, if you swallow some of this it will REALLY hurt... TWICE!"

[DD977GM2]

Sure...here's some more that I found while reading further:
(b) Schedule of offenses and penalties. Conduct in violation of the rules and regulations set forth in paragraph (a) of this section subjects an offender to arrest and removal from the premises. Whomever shall be found guilty of violating these rules and regulations while on any property under the charge and control of VA is subject to a fine as stated in the schedule set forth herein or, if appropriate, the payment of fixed sum in lieu of appearance (forfeiture of collateral) as may be provided for in rules of the United States District Court. Violations included in the schedule of offenses and penalties may also subject an offender to a term of imprisonment of not more than six months, as may be determined appropriate by a magistrate or judge of the United States District Court:



(37) Possession of firearms, carried either openly or concealed, whether loaded or unloaded (except by Federal or State law enforcement officers on official business, $500.



(38) Introduction or possession of explosives, or explosive devices which fire a projectile, ammunition, or combustibles, $500.



(39) Possession of knives which exceed a blade length of 3 inches; switchblade knives; any of the variety of hatchets, clubs and hand-held weapons; or brass knuckles, $300.



(40) The unauthorized possession of any of the variety of incapacitating liquid or gas-emitting weapons, $200.


Guess Im screwed with my new ability to conceal an RPG on my backside [ROFL1]