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Bringing it to the GD since we all know everybody will see it...
It was suggested in another thread (Train!...er some crap like that lol) and it seems to need a bit of a kick in the ass to happen. I'd like to gauge interest in some long range pistol shooting and see if we can come together and organize something. Obviously timing is everything for all of us so grab your planners and let's figure this out!
Any Friday or Saturday works for me.
trlcavscout
09-16-2011, 07:23
Sundays work for me as long as its not to far south.
bobbyfairbanks
09-16-2011, 07:28
I think you are going to have to set up a proper scenario, to properly asses Mccanter's Rambo skills. When ever it is, I would love to come. Will be some great entertainment!
I have Fridays off. Just depends on the $$$ situation.
Great-Kazoo
09-16-2011, 07:44
northern co works with me. perhaps one in each location then a shoot off in central co for the North South Shoot down.
how far are we talking , 50 , 100 yards?? witch ever its, provided my cash situation is good ill be there .
That is not the everyone was trying to make but what the heck I am down I have the weekend off.
you know that there is already a pistol comp in the works on oct.9 at south site . there will be prizes and all that good stuff and the best part is its free to compete!!
trlcavscout
09-16-2011, 08:26
northern co works with me. perhaps one in each location then a shoot off in central co for the North South Shoot down.
That would be cool, a set course, regional shoots then a state challenge? Maybe a "golden" wood gun trophy? 25, 50, 75, 100yd steel challenge [Beer] NO BS run what you brung kinda thing.
That would be cool, a set course, regional shoots then a state challenge? Maybe a "golden" wood gun trophy? 25, 50, 75, 100yd steel challenge [Beer] NO BS run what you brung kinda thing.
how about a real gun like this
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45433
sneakerd
09-16-2011, 09:23
I'd give it a try.
Mick-Boy
09-16-2011, 09:35
Like I mentioned in the other thread, I'm in and I'll bring steel and a range finder to keep us honest. I'd prefer not to have to drive too far north.
sneakerd
09-16-2011, 09:46
I might have to go shopping for a long barrel N-frame Smith. The only one I have right now is an 8 3/8" Model 14 Combat Masterpiece in .38.
trlcavscout
09-16-2011, 10:37
I might have to go shopping for a long barrel N-frame Smith. The only one I have right now is an 8 3/8" Model 14 Combat Masterpiece in .38.
After seeing all the guys ring steel at 100yds with sub compacts like the Glock model 26 I dont think you need anything longer then 8"
pickenup
09-16-2011, 10:50
I dont think you need anything longer then 8"
I have heard that before.[Muaha]
Depending on when, where, and weather, I might be in.
I might have to go shopping for a long barrel N-frame Smith. The only one I have right now is an 8 3/8" Model 14 Combat Masterpiece in .38. You should post a picture of that badboy
sneakerd
09-16-2011, 11:53
Can do. I've never tried long range handgunning- maybe Train can give me a tip or 2 or 3!
Can do. I've never tried long range handgunning- maybe Train can give me a tip or 2 or 3! sneakerd it is old buddy just cause you cant make long range pistol shots does not mean no one else can, you put in a remark every chance you get and it always pertains to me. Come on man grow up, it does not bother me I am just saying it makes you look like an ASS. I am not trying to be a Jerk but no one else takes a crack at me every chance they get, I am good with a pistol I used to be better with a pistol then I was with Rifle.
sneakerd
09-16-2011, 12:21
You're looking in a mirror pal. I was being dead serious. If you're as good as you say you are you could give me some pointers. Have a nice day.
sneakerd
09-16-2011, 12:27
The funny thing is- almost every time I back off and try to give you some respect, you say something stupid. What I said was exactly what I meant.
Great-Kazoo
09-16-2011, 12:56
That would be cool, a set course, regional shoots then a state challenge? Maybe a "golden" wood gun trophy? 25, 50, 75, 100yd steel challenge [Beer] NO BS run what you brung kinda thing.
I know what the Trophy should be.
How about the MCANTAR18C Broken beer Bottle award.
A fine trophy hand crafted right here in the USA precision mounted (with epoxy) to a wooden platform,. the glass will be etched with your name to honor the precision shooting you displayed with a handgun simulating the IHOP scenario
I feel we should limit the handgun to no more than a 4.5-5" bbl seeing how the shoot would be simulating engaging a target with your CCW piece.
The funny thing is- almost every time I back off and try to give you some respect, you say something stupid. What I said was exactly what I meant. I will admit i have said some crazy stuff kind of my way of finding out what people are about and what they know, as far as my pistol shooting I am by no means a professional, I would like to think I am pretty good as I have made some pretty long range shots consistantly, I sure am not any kind of instuctor and probably could not tell you anything you dont already know, I have some basic tactical training and some CCT training that is about it.
I know what the Trophy should be.
How about the MCANTAR18C Broken beer Bottle award.
A fine trophy hand crafted right here in the USA precision mounted (with epoxy) to a wooden platform,. the glass will be etched with your name to honor the precision shooting you displayed with a handgun simulating the IHOP scenario
I feel we should limit the handgun to no more than a 4.5-5" bbl seeing how the shoot would be simulating engaging a target with your CCW piece.
I like this. [ROFL2]
As far as limitations, I think it'd be a great idea to bring your carry weapon along with whatever else you'd like to try out after we've all seen who has what it takes to ring steel out passed 65yds with their edc (I probably don't, but I'll give it a shot).
Mick-Boy
09-16-2011, 14:01
So one at the south site and one at the north site?
So one at the south site and one at the north site?
I'd prefer north, but wouldn't be discouraged if the majority wanted south. It goes without saying that this'll be just a friendly plink off so anybody who's curious about how they can do here is encouraged to come! [Beer]
jhood001
09-16-2011, 14:11
I know what the Trophy should be.
How about the MCANTAR18C Broken beer Bottle award.
A fine trophy hand crafted right here in the USA precision mounted (with epoxy) to a wooden platform,. the glass will be etched with your name to honor the precision shooting you displayed with a handgun simulating the IHOP scenario
We could also give the mcantar18c Engraved Baseball Bat from the check-swinging incident. We'll give these out to people who get to the firing line and fail to shoot because they can't decide whether they're going to shoot the target or 'engage it with hand to hand'.
Big Wall
09-16-2011, 14:12
I can come on a Saturday. I don't know how I'll shoot at those distances but it sounds like fun.
We could also give the mcantar18c Engraved Baseball Bat from the check-swinging incident. We'll give these out to people who get to the firing line and fail to shoot because they can't decide whether they're going to shoot the target or 'engage it with hand to hand'. How do you guys know that what he is saying is not true? I just am kind of curious that type of stuff happens all the time.
BPTactical
09-16-2011, 14:38
What if my CCW piece is an AR pistol?
Seriously
BPTactical
09-16-2011, 14:42
sneakerd it is old buddy just cause you cant make long range pistol shots does not mean no one else can, you put in a remark every chance you get and it always pertains to me. Come on man grow up, it does not bother me I am just saying it makes you look like an ASS. I am not trying to be a Jerk but no one else takes a crack at me every chance they get, I am good with a pistol I used to be better with a pistol then I was with Rifle.
Got some paint, a floor and a corner there Atrain?
I feel we should limit the handgun to no more than a 4.5-5" bbl seeing how the shoot would be simulating engaging a target with your CCW piece.
"It's an 88 magnum. It shoots through schools..."
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsUEc4Fn3wBvYZ8U-pMEAto56RDCvDFOH6j-9BbfccpKFJgQ0UvOr_zDQF2g
Got some paint, a floor and a corner there Atrain???????????
jerrymrc
09-16-2011, 15:07
??????????
Originally Posted by BPTactical http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?p=423432#post423432)
Got some paint, a floor and a corner there Atrain?
I have to admit that right there was funny. I do think Atrain might not get it.
I have to try that on my Kids (Solders) monday at work.[Coffee]
I have to admit that right there was funny. I do think Atrain might not get it.
I have to try that on my Kids (Solders) monday at work.[Coffee] I really dont get the humor on here
jerrymrc
09-16-2011, 16:08
I really dont get the humor on here
It can be an advantage being old. Try this. http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/paint+into+a+corner
paint, a floor and a corner
We could also give the mcantar18c Engraved Baseball Bat from the check-swinging incident. We'll give these out to people who get to the firing line and fail to shoot because they can't decide whether they're going to shoot the target or 'engage it with hand to hand'.
[ROFL1][ROFL2]
So when and where? Now that I'm on this side of the mountain, I am gona try to make it. I carry three different guns... well right now just one, the 1911, but I used to carry my Mk 23 and every now and then the PK380, I feel that I will be getting another 23 here shortly. So, it is a choice of either of them then right? We are using our carry guns and not some nice custom target pistol and shit like that right?
StagLefty
09-16-2011, 17:04
I really dont get the humor on here
Being a "Master of the Obvious" helps [ROFL1]
Got some paint, a floor and a corner there Atrain? Oh I got it with little help. Hey Bp how much to fix my AK if it does the samething after I take it out tomorrow
Byte Stryke
09-16-2011, 20:51
Oh I got it with little help. Hey Bp how much to fix my AK if it does the samething after I take it out tomorrow
he has a large hammer...
jerrymrc
09-16-2011, 21:34
he has a large hammer...
It is an AK after all. Stones and a large pipe fix most everything. [LOL] I need to back up here a little. I know ya are young Atrain1 but you have to understand us old folk have been at this awhile.
Please take most of this with a grain of salt. You will need to google that one as well. Please keep up with the old jokes around here. :)
BPTactical
09-16-2011, 21:35
Oh I got it with little help. Hey Bp how much to fix my AK if it does the samething after I take it out tomorrow
1- don't know till I see it.
2- I won't discuss prices publicly.
You got a turnip truck up there?
Cmon now guys- enough of the hammer and rock stuff. I got rid of the rock a few years ago. I had to help ya out my Friend.:)
I got a SawZall, JB Weld and duct tape too......................[Muaha]
sneakerd
09-16-2011, 21:36
If Bert can't fix it with his hammer, he's got an old worn-out file he uses to smooth things out. He's an arteeeest.
BPTactical
09-16-2011, 21:45
If Bert can't fix it with his hammer, he's got an old worn-out file he uses to smooth things out. He's an arteeeest.
Only after I weld it back up[LOL]
Besides Dave, you don't know nuthin- its a Farriers rasp!
SideShow Bob
09-16-2011, 21:46
If Bert can't fix it with his hammer, he's got an old worn-out file he uses to smooth things out. He's an arteeeest.
If you think Bert is an arteeeet with a hammer and dull file, you should see what he can do with a 4" die grinder !
I wish I had more time to host something like this.
BPTactical
09-16-2011, 21:55
If you think Bert is an arteeeet with a hammer and dull file, you should see what he can do with a 4" die grinder !
How do you think I checkered your frontstrap there "Trunk Monkey"?[Tooth] Wait till you see how I cut the frame for the BeaverTail.
We got gas for the torches at work??
"My dads a television repairman, he's got this really bitchin set of tools, I can fix it"
Apologies to FTARH
jerrymrc
09-16-2011, 21:56
How do you think I checkered your frontstrap there "Trunk Monkey"?[Tooth] Wait till you see how I cut the frame for the BeaverTail.
We got gas for the torches at work??
"My dads a television repairman, he's got this really bitchin set of tools, I can fix it"
Apologies to FTARH
Just watched it a few weeks ago. :)
jerrymrc
09-16-2011, 21:58
I wish I had more time to host something like this.
Should have been on the Falfiles 10 years ago........... Every weekend.[Coffee]
Just watched it a few weeks ago. :)
Would you be speaking of this?
http://raidergirls.com/raiders_blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/phoebe-cates-red-bikini-fast-times.jpg
BPTactical
09-16-2011, 22:06
Would you be speaking of this?
http://raidergirls.com/raiders_blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/phoebe-cates-red-bikini-fast-times.jpg
NOW this thread is masturbatable.
Chucks on a roll today-did you get a new batch of Geritol or Metamucil in?[ROFL1]
When you work for the people I work for, you have to have a sense of humor [ROFL1]
Part of it is the seemingly endless supply of material on the board recently. If this keeps up, I'm going to log off and start doing something productive. Maybe steel wool to polish individual pieces of brass [Bang]
I have to admit that right there was funny. I do think Atrain might not get it.
I have to try that on my Kids (Solders) monday at work.[Coffee] It is all coming together now you guys are old LOL, I have delt with old guy humor since I was 14 working construction with my uncle and his friends, man did those guys try to run me into the ground and always making jokes. My nick name was wet behind the ears and every time I asked what it ment they just laughed it up.
Phoebe Cates (see photo above) was born 7/16/1963
for a contrast of generations, I have chosen Beyonce Giselle Knowles, who was born on 9/4/1981.
For those of us who recall Ms. Cates' acting debut in FTARH, it was a significant emotional event in a young man's life. One might relive that moment over and over again as long as there was a sufficient supply of tissues. On the other hand, if I were to have the same thoughts about Ms. Knowles, I could possibly be considered a child molester. [Coffee]
You are correct sir. We are old, and with age comes wisdom. [Beer]
YMMV
I am thinking about going shooting this weekend might have to practice some long range with the good ole Glock 30 and XD subby. Hopefully I will be able to video tape it
No one can be considered a child molester for wanting to get down with a 31 year-old.
Why not had a fitness trampoline to this shoot-off?
Phoebe Cates (see photo above) was born 7/16/1963
for a contrast of generations, I have chosen Beyonce Giselle Knowles, who was born on 9/4/1981.
For those of us who recall Ms. Cates' acting debut in FTARH, it was a significant emotional event in a young man's life. One might relive that moment over and over again as long as there was a sufficient supply of tissues. On the other hand, if I were to have the same thoughts about Ms. Knowles, I could possibly be considered a child molester. [Coffee]
You are correct sir. We are old, and with age comes wisdom. [Beer]
YMMV She is just a little younger than me
Chad4000
09-17-2011, 07:41
No one can be considered a child molester for wanting to get down with a 31 year-old.
Why not had a fitness trampoline to this shoot-off?
Yeah thats what I was thinking lol.. Now taylor swift.... Different story lol
Chad4000
09-17-2011, 07:47
She is just a little younger than me
Lol, yeah same here...
At work I'm the old guy, course thats cause I do most the hiring [ROFL1]... Speaking of 22 year old perfection.... I have an employee that breaks the curve for women...good god... Ok anyway, it's nice to have some old guys to remind me I dont know everything.... Yet ;)
Mick-Boy
09-17-2011, 16:58
You guys are like a bunch of PFCs. One picture of a good looking woman and you totally lose focus. [ROFL2]
So what are we doing here? How about next saturday (one week from today) at the south site?
No one can be considered a child molester for wanting to get down with a 31 year-old.
Why not had a fitness trampoline to this shoot-off?
Call me old fashioned. I don't want to have sex with women who are old enough to be my daughter. Besides that, my heart couldn't take it any way [ROFL1]
I like the trampoline idea. Could we up the distance and add some push ups between magazine changes?[ROFL1]
Someone also bring a full of balloon tie it up to the remote control car.
That will be decent simulation of moving target.
Shooting "ONE" designated balloon while tired on a remote control car @ 65yd would be interesting.
I'm in for Saturday up north...
Byte Stryke
09-17-2011, 18:25
Would you be speaking of this?
http://raidergirls.com/raiders_blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/phoebe-cates-red-bikini-fast-times.jpg
ahh the beginning of my love of all things Filipina...
FAPPITY
FAPPITY
FAPPITY
FAPPITY
FAPPITY
FAPPITY
FAPPITY
FAPPITY
FAPPITY
FAPPITY
FAPPITY
Great-Kazoo
09-17-2011, 21:11
I'm in for Saturday up north...
the 24th at pawnee? do it early and i will be there too.
CARRY GUNS ONLY !!
the 24th at pawnee? do it early and i will be there too.
CARRY GUNS ONLY !!
I'm in.
Man sized silhouettes at 65 yards. I will bring some target stands and silhouette targets. Who is bringing their range finder and spotting scopes?
Pawnee is a little vague. Is there a particular place in Pawnee?
Great-Kazoo
09-17-2011, 21:29
I'm in.
Man sized silhouettes at 65 yards. I will bring some target stands and silhouette targets. Who is bringing their range finder and spotting scopes?
Pawnee is a little vague. Is there a particular place in Pawnee?
I think my range finder is in the garage:) for those who have been there, it could turn up anywhere. I will confirm tomorrow.
sneakerd
09-17-2011, 21:31
I'd like to try if it is up north and works for me. I have a spotting scope, more than willing to bring it.
I'd like to try if it is up north and works for me. I have a spotting scope, more than willing to bring it. Just for you I will bring my PPS-43C, I have never fired it so I dont know if it is accurate. Do you know anything about them?
sneakerd
09-17-2011, 21:51
You bugger. You really have one? Damn straight I'd like to check it out. I'll even pay for the ammo! Been seriously considering the deep investment (like what $300?).
Just to get an idea of the course of fire, I was thinking something like this:
At a range of 65 yards and in your normal every day carry configuration; at the command to fire, you will draw and fire all rounds as quickly as possible.
Targets will be PPC silhouettes with normal points as marked on the targets. Ties will be decided by the fastest time.
How many points should we subtract for miss on the target?
How many points should we subtract for miss not on the target?
Depending on the number of shooters, this shouldn't take too long.
I could set up three stands to have three shooters, shooting simultaneously. There is no movement, no alibis, and no reloading, so having multiple shooter at one time shouldn't be a problem.
In addition to a range finder, anyone have a PACT timer? I have a stop watch, but ideally we will need one for each shooter.
I'm open to all suggestions.
You bugger. You really have one? Damn straight I'd like to check it out. I'll even pay for the ammo! Been seriously considering the deep investment (like what $300?). 389 with 4 35 round mags off of GB there is a guy on armslist that has one for a little over 300.
sneakerd
09-17-2011, 22:06
I think rapid -fire at a 65 yard target is just a waste of ammo. I think each shooter should have a time limit based on mag capacity- or each "round" should be limited to a certain number of shots, so as not to favor hi-caps. Personally- I'll need to take my time- say 5 sec per shot on a timer. longer than that and you're really not using breath control. There needs to be a touch of discipline even in a wide open "match" with people of widely varying abilities.
I think rapid -fire at a 65 yard target is just a waste of ammo. I think each shooter should have a time limit based on mag capacity- or each "round" should be limited to a certain number of shots, so as not to favor hi-caps. Personally- I'll need to take my time- say 5 sec per shot on a timer. longer than that and you're really not using breath control. There needs to be a touch of discipline even in a wide open "match" with people of widely varying abilities.
We could shoot one at a time. Again, depending on how many shooters we have, that will just make the match last longer which is fine by me.
I think the penalties for misses would slow almost everyone down. I really believe there have to be penalties for misses. There certainly are in real life, so there should be in competition/training.
I was thinking that the impetus for this type of match was the IHOP shooting. I was thinking that we each would need to shoot to the best of our individual abilities with what we carry each and every day. Personally, I carry three different pistols, two are off duty and one is an on duty. I would have to choose one of those pistols or shoot three different times. If people would like to throw in extra mags and shoot more rounds, again, that is fine by me, but there has to be some practical limit on how many rounds each person puts down range. Every round is a potential hit and a potential law suit or criminal charge.
To my way of thinking, if I didn't put down what I was shooting at, at 65 yards in the first ten rounds, the last thing I'm going to do is continue to engage at that distance with my last ten rounds.
While I like bench rest shooting, I personally don't see much point in making this a bench rest match or timed fire exercise. The timer would be there for tie breaking purposes only. If you, or anyone else wants to take a minute to shoot each round, that is fine by me. In fact, at 65 yards, I am certain that you would not hear a rapid string of rounds from me, especially knowing that I am wasting ammunition and losing points for every miss.
I could actually foresee a scenario where this type of match could be won by the shooter with the lowest minus score (closest to zero points).
Thoughts? Anyone?
We could shoot one at a time. Again, depending on how many shooters we have, that will just make the match last longer which is fine by me.
I think the penalties for misses would slow almost everyone down. I really believe there have to be penalties for misses. There certainly are in real life, so there should be in competition/training.
I was thinking that the impetus for this type of match was the IHOP shooting. I was thinking that we each would need to shoot to the best of our individual abilities with what we carry each and every day. Personally, I carry three different pistols, two are off duty and one is an on duty. I would have to choose one of those pistols or shoot three different times. If people would like to throw in extra mags and shoot more rounds, again, that is fine by me, but there has to be some practical limit on how many rounds each person puts down range. Every round is a potential hit and a potential law suit or criminal charge.
To my way of thinking, if I didn't put down what I was shooting at, at 65 yards in the first ten rounds, the last thing I'm going to do is continue to engage at that distance with my last ten rounds.
While I like bench rest shooting, I personally don't see much point in making this a bench rest match or timed fire exercise. The timer would be there for tie breaking purposes only. If you, or anyone else wants to take a minute to shoot each round, that is fine by me. In fact, at 65 yards, I am certain that you would not hear a rapid string of rounds from me, especially knowing that I am wasting ammunition and losing points for every miss.
I could actually foresee a scenario where this type of match could be won by the shooter with the lowest minus score (closest to zero points).
Thoughts? Anyone? I like it I just had a question my PPS-43 is technically a pistol with the stock fixed, can I use it LOL. I carry a 380 and I know I cant make that shot with a P3AT the sights suck balls it is small and not made for it. I have open carried my 1911 so I guess that could count as a carry gun.
I think everyone should shoot what they carry everyday.
If anyone shows up with a tricked out Buckmark, Mark II, or scoped pistol, no one will keep them from shooting it, but everyone will know they are full of the Blarney and they will hear about it both at the match and on the board.
For the record, I carry .357 Sig and I can't think of a situation where I would take a 65 yard shot in real life. IMO, every day carry pistols are the wrong tool for that distance. I understand that people may disagree, but I doubt that will change my mind. I will still step up and put lead down range just so I know what I can and can't do with what I have.
Targets are cheap, and I'm supplying them (it's only paper and cardboard). You have to provide the pistol, ammunition, and marksmanship. [Coffee]
Here is the link to consolidate this match:
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46277&referrerid=3409
mcantar18c
09-18-2011, 00:28
How do you guys know that what he is saying is not true? I just am kind of curious that type of stuff happens all the time.
It was posted on the interwebz, it can't possibly be true [ROFL1]
Just rambling off some ideas...
Carry guns only.
Time limit, no round limit... simply use whatever you carry in your carry gun.
X seconds (2 or 3?) per round, time limit is the total of that... so for a 5 shot revolver, you have X seconds x5 to get them all on target.
Score based upon hit-miss/unfired ratio.
Maybe do it draw+fire? Use the holster you carry with, keeping it completely concealed as normal (assuming you CC), must draw and then fire within the time limit... adding a few seconds to the time limit for the draw if we do it this way.
Targets at 65 yards, top scores move to 100 yards for shits.
Thoughts?
I'd need to have a date at least a week and a half ahead of time so I can request off work.
It was posted on the interwebz, it can't possibly be true [ROFL1]
Just rambling off some ideas...
Carry guns only.
Time limit, no round limit... simply use whatever you carry in your carry gun.
X seconds (2 or 3?) per round, time limit is the total of that... so for a 5 shot revolver, you have X seconds x5 to get them all on target.
Score based upon hit-miss/unfired ratio.
Maybe do it draw+fire? Use the holster you carry with, keeping it completely concealed as normal (assuming you CC), must draw and then fire within the time limit... adding a few seconds to the time limit for the draw if we do it this way.
Targets at 65 yards, top scores move to 100 yards for shits.
Thoughts?
I'd need to have a date at least a week and a half ahead of time so I can request off work.I was wondering when you were going to chime in, that sucks that you cant make it, I figured you were going to be there for sure.
mcantar18c
09-18-2011, 01:00
I was wondering when you were going to chime in, that sucks that you cant make it, I figured you were going to be there for sure.
My jobs have been overlapping this week and I haven't had time to take a shit let alone check the forum, other than logging on here and there and throwing a post up (I usually sit for an hour or two and go through the "New Posts" area so I can catch everything).
Wait, there's a shoot setup already? I skimmed over the thread and saw a few suggestions as to date/location but didn't see anything solid...
jhood001
09-18-2011, 01:28
Is a CCW required in order to participate in this?
Are you going to be able to make it if it is, Mcantar? Pretty sure 20 years old isn't sufficient in order to have a CCW in Colorado.
mcantar18c
09-18-2011, 01:58
Don't see why we would need a CCW permit to go shoot at targets...
Not sure how much of that is tongue in cheek.
I guess it needs to be said, although I get caught up in the assumption; Every shooter must be legal to own, possess, carry, and do so in a manner within the law. If you are legal to open carry, then by all means, do so. If you must bring it cased and then holster up before shooting, do so safely, and store it properly before departing.
Big Boy Rules! [ROFL1] If you are over 18 years of age, then obey the law or work through the legislature to change the law, but please don't break it in front of me [Flower]
mcantar18c
09-18-2011, 02:48
Lets just put it this way:
If you're not legally able to engage in activities in the Firearms For Sale area of the forum, don't come.
Though anyone that's legally able to own a gun is legally able to open carry.
Will we be able to practice shooting at that distance before hand? It is one thing to test the people who claim to be able to shoot that far now, but what about the people that have never even tried?
mcantar18c
09-18-2011, 02:54
That would be what I was trying to encourage in the thread that sparked all this crap... if you know you aren't capable of something, or simply don't know because you haven't tried... start practicing it.
Obviously all club shoot rules apply here boys. Figured that'd be a no brainer.
Trying to hit the target will be your practice, it won't be a do or die type of comp Irv. Show up have fun. [Beer]
Is a CCW required in order to participate in this?
Are you going to be able to make it if it is, Mcantar? Pretty sure 20 years old isn't sufficient in order to have a CCW in Colorado.
Follow his carry tales much? [LOL]
Great-Kazoo
09-18-2011, 07:07
We could shoot one at a time. Again, depending on how many shooters we have, that will just make the match last longer which is fine by me.
I think the penalties for misses would slow almost everyone down. I really believe there have to be penalties for misses. There certainly are in real life, so there should be in competition/training.
I was thinking that the impetus for this type of match was the IHOP shooting. I was thinking that we each would need to shoot to the best of our individual abilities with what we carry each and every day. Personally, I carry three different pistols, two are off duty and one is an on duty. I would have to choose one of those pistols or shoot three different times. If people would like to throw in extra mags and shoot more rounds, again, that is fine by me, but there has to be some practical limit on how many rounds each person puts down range. Every round is a potential hit and a potential law suit or criminal charge.
To my way of thinking, if I didn't put down what I was shooting at, at 65 yards in the first ten rounds, the last thing I'm going to do is continue to engage at that distance with my last ten rounds.
While I like bench rest shooting, I personally don't see much point in making this a bench rest match or timed fire exercise. The timer would be there for tie breaking purposes only. If you, or anyone else wants to take a minute to shoot each round, that is fine by me. In fact, at 65 yards, I am certain that you would not hear a rapid string of rounds from me, especially knowing that I am wasting ammunition and losing points for every miss.
I could actually foresee a scenario where this type of match could be won by the shooter with the lowest minus score (closest to zero points).
Thoughts? Anyone?
I agree and Disagree. We should only be allowed to get off 2 maybe 3 tops. The scenario while shooting at a target, does not have it shooting back at us. Therefore A SET Number Of Rounds should be the norm. Anyone can dump 7-17 rounds down range, not everyone would be doing a full mag dump at a target that in real life be returning fire.
Having a timer also proves nothing again in Real Life we are not shooting against a clock, would be shooting for our and someone else's life.
I do think the extra targets should be set up. not so much for multiple shooters, more to be utilized as civilians. They could be close enough to the target width wise, set back say another 10 yards? this way we can see for those shooting a full mag how many counts of manslaughter you would be charged with.
No matter what everyone agrees to i will do 2 rounds, as that is what i feel at a long distance you would have a chance to shoot before the aggressor turned their gun on you.
I will also bring a tape measure for those who think this should be a dick measuring contest.
jhood001
09-18-2011, 10:25
Follow his carry tales much?
Exactly.
Really curious now if they're 100% bullshit or if he's illegally carrying concealed.
I'd like to have some water jugs set out that far. I'm curious how much penetration power is left in a handgun round at distances over 50 yards. That seems like a pretty important part of this scenario. If you can get head shots perfectly every time at 65 yards, you still shouldn't be taking those shots if the round is just going to be bouncing off of the targets skull. Might as well be throwing rocks then.
I'd like to have some water jugs set out that far. I'm curious how much penetration power is left in a handgun round at distances over 50 yards. That seems like a pretty important part of this scenario. If you can get head shots perfectly every time at 65 yards, you still shouldn't be taking those shots if the round is just going to be bouncing off of the targets skull. Might as well be throwing rocks then.
We used to shoot a course (different agency) where the final stage of fire was 50 yards. Granted, we were shooting semi supported against a barricade or from the kneeling while semi supported against a barricade. Most pistol rounds will still do significant damage out to 100 yards, even out of short barrels. The biggest problem is the inability of almost all shooters to consistently hit even man sized targets past 50 yards. Put some stress and make the scenario dynamic and shooting < 5" barrel pistols over 25 yards and I can't help but question your thought process. Use the right tool for the job. This is what submachine guns were developed for, 35 to 100 yard shooting. SMGs can and are used at closer distances very effectively, but they don't conceal very well and tend not to be very comfortable over prolonged periods of time. Pistols can be used at distance greater than 35 yards, but they are difficult for average shooters to place rounds on target with any consistency, and they increase the possibility of hitting innocent bystanders.
I'm sure there is a ballistic app available that would compute the force of any given round at any given distance out of a 5" barrel. Should be a simple physics problem.
That said, if anyone wants to bring some density targets (milk jugs, phone books) they would be welcome. I would like to see someone who can consistently hit a milk jug or phone book at 65 yards with a compact pistol. That would be impressive.[Coffee]
sneakerd
09-20-2011, 08:38
Is this actually happening? I have heard rumblings from some members who are unhappy about it being scheduled for the 24th, a Tanner GunShow day. Because of this, some members who want to will not be able to attend. Could we push it back a week or 2? Or is this locked in stone?
Great-Kazoo
09-20-2011, 15:21
Is this actually happening? I have heard rumblings from some members who are unhappy about it being scheduled for the 24th, a Tanner GunShow day. Because of this, some members who want to will not be able to attend. Could we push it back a week or 2? Or is this locked in stone?
Doesn't tanner run Saturday and Sunday? I will be participating here saturday
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46277
i will be there in the am due to other commitments.
trlcavscout
09-20-2011, 15:48
Ok I have to admit, today at Pawnee I was trying this. I took 3 8" round steel plates that have bases welded on the bottom. Sitting on the ground from 50-70yds they are a bear to hit! I was probably 40% on them. But my misses were normally within a couple inches just left. in the 20-40yds range I was bale to hit more like 80% of the time with out to much effort. This was a stock Glock 17. This was slow shooting with no distractions (us old people cant hear distractions you know). I would have had the wife get a video but it was pretty slow boreing stuff [Beer]
http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/trlcavscout/20110920155138.jpg
As Jim said, we are doing it this Saturday morning because we can. Everyone is welcome. I'm sure there will be some bugs to work out, but it is only an informal match. For additional information, see the Swagler's Challenge thread that Jim posted a link to. I will post some GPS coordinates and directions to the old missile site just north of Rt 14 and about five miles west of Briggsdale.
That said, I would be happy to do this again at a later date, especially after I've had several practice runs this Saturday [Coffee]
I know targets can be engaged at this distance and I really look forward to being impressed by some of the awesome shooters who post on this board. [Flower]
For those who can be there, see you this Saturday. For those who can't make it this Saturday, lets start talking about dates and locations for Swagler's Challenge II.[Beer]
I'll see you and Jim there [Beer]
What time exactly?
I will post the times, location, and strings of fire again in the Swagler's Challenge thread.
I will get there about 8 and like to start shooting about 9. Depending on who shows up, I'm sure we can squeeze in a few late comers. Just don't show up at 1 PM and expect me to leave the targets out only for you [Coffee]
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