Working legal Steyr MP-40 (WW2 German SubMG) unsold?

[rocktot]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=250493537

I'm not sure what the going value for these things are, but as they take 9MM luger, I'm a bit surprised no one bought the thing. ($9500)

I used to show Brits on other sites what the 2nd amendment was all about. -Wasn't it up till the mid 80's you could still buy one without all the class 1,2 stuff?

[Irving]

1986 was the year. Every thing now has to be from May of 1986 or older.

[Zundfolge]

-Wasn't it up till the mid 80's you could still buy one without all the class 1,2 stuff?


In 1934 the National Firearms Act restricted full auto, creating the designation of "class 3" (so you register it with the federal government and pay a one time $200 tax).

In 1986 a sneaky liberal snuck into a good law called the Firearms Owners Protection Act (that among other things stopped the registration of ammo purchases and required all states to respect peaceable journey laws) an amendment that closed the NFA registry to new full autos.

So basically for us serfs to own a full auto gun it had to be manufactured and registered before May of 1986 in order to be "transferable" to a new owner.


At any rate, I'd love to have that MP-40 ... but I be po.[Tooth]

[rocktot]

Ok, but what level of crime has been committed by full-auto machine guns? Where is the NRA??

If full-autos were allowed, this then would be a $40,000 M-pistol?

eh, found this, I want that Steyr!

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091002085916AAGkj65

[Circuits]

The Geipel-Vollmer MP-40 9mm "Machinenpistole" is a second generation design of reasonable historical significance, and little modern relevance.

To a collector, it might be worth the initial bid (no reserve, my ass) requested, but to very few others, when you can buy tubes or other other registered, transferrable, 9mm bullet hoses on which to build a shooter for about 30% of that asking price.

The GCA 1968 shut off the flow of imported (including "reimported" lend-lease machineguns) for unrestricted ownership. The Hughes Amendment to FOPA 1986 cut off the supply of new, domestically-made machineguns, so what you're seeing is 25 years of supply and demand manipulating market prices.

No one bought that MP-40 because the guy wanted too much for it, at least for right now.

If 18 USC 922(o) (the machinegun banning law) were voided, tomorrow, you'd see $500 macs, and $1500 M16s again immediately. Possibly cheaper. But you'd still have that (now) five month wait for stamp approval, and $200 tax each to be paid.

[Mazin]

Wait wait wait, hold the phone, I thought all you had to do was break out the dremmel and now your saying stuff about, reigstration, and tax stamps and approval??? [Coffee]

[Irving]

The NRA doesn't care about the entire second amendment, only parts of it.

Exactly two people have been murdered by registered full auto guns. More have been killed, not murdered, but I don't know how many.

[pickenup]

Ok, but what level of crime has been committed by full-auto machine guns? Where is the NRA??
The NRA helped pass that 1986 law that cut ownership of ALL new machine guns to civilians.

[Zundfolge]

The NRA helped pass that 1986 law that cut ownership of ALL new machine guns to civilians.
No, the NRA helped pass the 1986 law that stopped the feds from recording ammunition purchases, outlawed registration of firearms on the federal level and forced anti gun states to respect peaceable journey laws.

At the 11th hour when nobody was looking the Hughes amendment was added and by the time everyone realized it was there it was too late, it had been signed into law.

Even after the Hughes amendment was discovered the NRA still supported the law because it did significantly more good.

Most of y'all are too young to remember that when you bought ammo, your name and the ammo you bought was put in a bound book that ended up in the hands of F Troop. And if you were driving across country with your guns and happened to get pulled over in an anti gun state (or even city our county) you could find your guns confiscated and find yourself convicted of felonies that would end your second amendment rights permanently (New York City still seems to get around this law for some reason). And finally, if the fed.gov comes up with some sort of gun registration scheme (like if they sign on to the UN treaty on disarming the serfs) such action will be ILLEGAL.

Yes it sucks that the Full Auto registry was closed ... yes it sucks that the NFA even exists in the first place. But considering the good the FOPA did and considering the mood of the country vis a vis gun control in 1986 we're damn lucky the it passed at all.

[Circuits]

That isn't a "Schmeisser-Bergmann". The gun on Gunbroker is an MP40- not designed by Schmeisser or Bergmann. They had nothing to do with design or production. Mistake that is made all the time.

Thanks for the correction - edited to fix.