View Full Version : Driver flashes handgun at another driver on Lyons highway
relichunter
09-19-2011, 08:09
I was alarmed to read who the "victim" was. But I was glad to see that the reader comments revealed some sanity.
This reader comment says it all:
"In this case, macho man went to a gunfight without a gun. And I have no sympathy for him even if he did probably wet his pants when he saw what he'd gotten himself into. Hell. Get out of your car and storm up on me when my family's in my car and see id the same thing doesn't happen."
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_18927897?source=rss
Of course the "victim" followed the car for several more miles and never got a license plate number.
Bailey Guns
09-19-2011, 08:14
Probably enough "stupid" on both sides to last a lifetime.
Probably enough "stupid" on both sides to last a lifetime.+1
When I read this article, I too thought it seemed to be reversed. Obviously we don't know the entire situation, but its sounds more like a guy had a case of "road rage," approached a car and the guy in the car displayed a gun likely in an attempt to defend himself. Given the few "facts" we have at this point, it appears to me that the "victim" described in the article was actually the aggressor. However, the person that displayed the gun should have immediately called police and reported the situation. By not calling the police, either more happened than what we know, the guy didn't have the gun legally or have a CCW, or all of the above.
I agree with Carl (Bailey Guns), likely enough stupidity on both sides.
When I read this article, I too thought it seemed to be reversed. Obviously we don't know the entire situation, but its sounds more like a guy had a case of "road rage," approached a car and the guy in the car displayed a gun likely in an attempt to defend himself. Given the few "facts" we have at this point, it appears to me that the "victim" described in the article was actually the aggressor. However, the person that displayed the gun should have immediately called police and reported the situation. By not calling the police, either more happened than what we know, the guy didn't have the gun legally or have a CCW, or all of the above.
I agree with Carl (Bailey Guns), likely enough stupidity on both sides.
but i thought you dont need a ccw to carry in your car ?
but i thought you dont need a ccw to carry in your car ?
I honestly don't know. I've always had my CCW when I've carried in the car. Can anyone else more knowledgeable chime in on this? I'd like to know too.
SuperiorDG
09-19-2011, 08:40
Colorado law allows one to carry in your car for "Personal protection while traveling."
but i thought you dont need a ccw to carry in your car ?
Correct. No permit required.
Both of these idiots need a serious recalibration of their aggression circuits. Dipshit A should never have got out of the car to confront Dipshit B. Dipshit B should have simply driven away when Dipshit A got out of the car, instead of brandishing a (apparently unchambered, therefore useless) gun. [Bang]
There ought to be an IQ test to qualify for a driver's license...
rockhound
09-19-2011, 08:53
but i thought you dont need a ccw to carry in your car ?
this +1
i also see the "victim" as the actual Perp in this case.
rockhound
09-19-2011, 08:55
Correct. No permit required.
Both of these idiots need a serious recalibration of their aggression circuits. Dipshit A should never have got out of the car to confront Dipshit B. Dipshit B should have simply driven away when Dipshit A got out of the car, instead of brandishing a (apparently unchambered, therefore useless) gun. [Bang]
There ought to be an IQ test to qualify for a driver's license...
definitely dipshits both of them, although if some guy gets out of his car and begins to threaten my family i will be dipshit b if driving away is not an option
Don't worry they will both get anger management class.
you can pull over and ruin your life for ever or simply turn and be done with it and go an about your business
if there is not one in the chamber then what you have is a real fancy rock
definitely dipshits both of them, although if some guy gets out of his car and begins to threaten my family i will be dipshit b if driving away is not an option
In the event that I was not able to get away, a cell phone would be my first line of defense, then I might consider other options. My carry weapon would be my last line of defense, even if I had to back violently into the other driver's vehicle to create space to retreat. Someone standing outside my car window yelling doesn't constitute a threat of "serious injury or death" in my mind, and therefore does not warrant a response with a deadly weapon. That being said, I wasn't there, and situations can devolve quickly. Did Dipshit A have a weapon in hand, like a tire iron? I dunno.
This is what everyone needs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me82R7DKsMU&feature=related
Fist_gonzo
09-19-2011, 09:09
Probably enough "stupid" on both sides to last a lifetime.
+1, so he followed him didnt get a plate # and couldnt tell if it was a subaru or a ford? Wtf was he doing then?
Byte Stryke
09-19-2011, 09:11
not enough there to make anything of it...
too many gaps in the story, too many "IFs"
what if the guy doesn't keep one chambered because of Kids in his house?
What if he was clearing a malfunction?
What if the guy with the gun had stopped for a red light in traffic and couldn't drive away.
what if they had stopped at a store not knowing the guy had followed them.
what if the other guy had a weapon and simply omitted that from the story.
what if... can go all day.
nope, not getting sucked into this one.
relichunter
09-19-2011, 09:11
Trunk monkey, something to keep the kids busy on long trips and exactly what you need to combat road rage. That is great! [ROFL1]
relichunter
09-19-2011, 09:17
not enough there to make anything of it...
too many gaps in the story, too many "IFs"
what if the guy doesn't keep one chambered because of Kids in his house?
What if he was clearing a malfunction?
What if the guy with the gun had stopped for a red light in traffic and couldn't drive away.
what if they had stopped at a store not knowing the guy had followed them.
what if the other guy had a weapon and simply omitted that from the story.
what if... can go all day.
nope, not getting sucked into this one.
True, but there are no "ifs" about the way the article is presented. That was my concern more than the back story.
Feel free to get sucked in...you already made seven points.
...you already made seven points.
How many points does it take to win the internets? [LOL]
There ought to be an IQ test to qualify for a driver's license...
I vote for this. It would relieve about 80% of the congestion on the roads. I could probably get across town in half an hour instead of an hour and a half.
I had a similar incident about 17 years ago in my old pickup. I missed a shift pulling out onto a road, and a guy was pissed beyond belief, passed me, and slammed on his brakes so we both went off the road. The guy jumped out of his truck quickly as I assessed the situation, and I noticed his hand held tightly behind his leg, and then noticed the reflection of the stainless slide. His whole purpose was to instigate and have cause to discharge his weapon. I put my truck in gear and slowly rolled away through the weeds with this ass hitting my truck and yelling. You never know what you are going to get on an altercation like this; just leave! Getting out of your car to confront another person on a road rage incident is pretty stupid. It doesn't matter if we think this guy should have or should not have shown his firearm. What matters is that there are a whole lot of people out there who won't do the right thing. Conversely, if the guy approaching this car also had a weapon, then this guy in the car would have taken fire while manipulating his firearm. The whole road rage thing is pretty idiotic; I mean what the hell is wrong with people! [Stooge]
Eggysrun
09-19-2011, 09:44
I had some psycho from Monument try to pick a fight with us at stoplight cause he couldn't wait behind my wife's car for 2 seconds at the last stoplight for her to shift into 1st gear.
Needless to say he was getting out of his car with gun in hand, wife by then already had her LCP out of the purse and my carry HK already trained on the retard through the window.
The last time I had to point a weapon at someone in self defence was in Iraq, so you can imagine I wasn't too happy about it. He got back into his car and drove off but god damn people are stupid.
All this bruhaha over one side of a playground spat. I'm sure the police got a fair and accurate statement from the poor victim.
Byte Stryke
09-19-2011, 10:32
True, but there are no "ifs" about the way the article is presented. That was my concern more than the back story.
Feel free to get sucked in...you already made seven points.
OK, I'll play
what if the guy cut the other guy off and block him in at a traffic light, got out and went back to his car with a weapon. What if to him it appeared the guy pulled his weapon and racked the slide when in fact he pulled it, fired and had a bad primer strike/misfire. he does a tap and rack and the aggressor is now fleeing so he opts not to shoot the guy in retreat. Having no cellphone he waits to call the PD when he gets home
in Cheyenne Wyoming.
my point is, we can armchair this to death... none of us was there (I Hope) so none of really knows
What ever happened to the "good old days" where two guys could just beat the hell out of each other without one of them pulling a weapon? [Coffee]
What ever happened to the "good old days" where two guys could just beat the hell out of each other without one of them pulling a weapon? [Coffee]
I agree
Byte Stryke
09-19-2011, 11:05
What ever happened to the "good old days" where two guys could just beat the hell out of each other without one of them pulling a weapon? [Coffee]
Lawyers and Cops...
aww fuck, I Said the "C" Word... here comes the ban. [ROFL1]
I don't know man, I carry when I'm driving, and if some angry stranger came charging up to my car window my piece would certainly be in my lap and ready. I wouldn't poke it in his face or even flash it, but I'd damn sure be ready to. Shit like this is why it's legal in CO to carry a loaded handgun in your vehicle without a permit.
Driving away is certainly the right response, but we all know that's not always possible. An angry ape at your window could do anything, or be carrying anything, so IMO you'd damned well better be ready to respond. If you see a hammer, tire iron or whatever coming at your door window, it's time to react, not wait until after he's smashed the window and has you by the throat.
JMHO of course. I don't go around trying to irritate anybody, but shit happens. If I don't see somebody and accidently get in his way briefly, he sure doesn't have any right to try to harm me for doing so. But I DO have the right to protect myself from some angry macho asshole who wants to beat me up or cause me harm.
I didn't see anything in the article that said who did what, or what the incident was even about. If the guy with the gun was a non-aggressor and was just preparing to defend himself against a raging lunatic, then I'm on his side.
I don't know man, I carry when I'm driving, and if some angry stranger came charging up to my car window my piece would certainly be in my lap and ready. I wouldn't poke it in his face or even flash it, but I'd damn sure be ready to. Shit like this is why it's legal in CO to carry a loaded handgun in your vehicle without a permit.
Driving away is certainly the right response, but we all know that's not always possible. An angry ape at your window could do anything, or be carrying anything, so IMO you'd damned well better be ready to respond. If you see a hammer, tire iron or whatever coming at your door window, it's time to react, not wait until after he's smashed the window and has you by the throat.
JMHO of course. I don't go around trying to irritate anybody, but shit happens. If I don't see somebody and accidently get in his way briefly, he sure doesn't have any right to try to harm me for doing so. But I DO have the right to protect myself from some angry macho asshole who wants to beat me up or cause me harm.
I didn't see anything in the article that said who did what, or what the incident was even about. If the guy with the gun was a non-aggressor and was just preparing to defend himself against a raging lunatic, then I'm on his side. That is what I was going to say I would have my gun ready if I could not drive off, first off if my family would have been in the car the windows would have been rolled up with the doors locked and gun ready. That is if I could not just simply drive off, I sure would not have racked the slide and showed my gun unless I was going to use it.
SuperiorDG
09-19-2011, 12:28
That is what I was going to say I would have my gun ready if I could not drive off, first off if my family would have been in the car the windows would have been rolled up with the doors locked and gun ready. That is if I could not just simply drive off, I sure would not have racked the slide and showed my gun unless I was going to use it.
This^^
You don't use a gun to intimidate, you use it to defend yourself and your loved ones.
I think the OP's point was the DP's slant on the article, not a WWYD. The usual "facts be damned" DP response.
I miss the Rocky. Not that it was the best paper ever but at least it was worth reading.
Mick-Boy
09-19-2011, 13:25
It always baffles me when people treat driving like it's competitive.
What ever happened to the "good old days" where two guys could just beat the hell out of each other without one of them pulling a weapon? [Coffee]
My question what happened to the good old old days- where altercations involve main street at noon 25 paces from each other and one man leaves alive? Perhaps that would help keep the population in check?
It always baffles me when people treat driving like it's competitive.
Oh yeah, gotta love the mouthbreathing knuckledraggers that speed up as you're passing them, like you just insulted their manhood by going a little faster than them.
I was passing a guy in a pickup once that had a big load of new aluminum siding in the back. He floored it, of course, can't let no sumbitch pass HIM, by God. I looked in the mirror just in time to see the ENTIRE load of siding exit the back of his truck and go whipping through the air like a bunch of leaves. It was beautiful. I'm sure he still swears it was MY fault though.
akumadiavolo
09-19-2011, 16:19
On a none gun related note...
"The suspect vehicle is described as a white late-model Subaru Legacy, or Ford sedan."
Who the hell can't tell the difference between a ford and a subaru? Especially when you got out of your car and walked up to it?
Byte Stryke
09-19-2011, 16:28
[ROFL1]
Oh yeah, gotta love the mouthbreathing knuckledraggers that speed up as you're passing them, like you just insulted their manhood by going a little faster than them.
I was passing a guy in a pickup once that had a big load of new aluminum siding in the back. He floored it, of course, can't let no sumbitch pass HIM, by God. I looked in the mirror just in time to see the ENTIRE load of siding exit the back of his truck and go whipping through the air like a bunch of leaves. It was beautiful. I'm sure he still swears it was MY fault though.[ROFL1]
you know it was!
I was coming back from and Interview in Longmont today (Seagate)
Jackhole driving in the left lane talking on his phone 60-65mph in a 75
I no more got around him than someone rear ended him. I was MAYBE 2 car lengths in front of him.
So I pulled off, dialed 911. I waited for the Cops, told the CSP what I Saw. asked about the passing on the right, etc... Made sure to point out that I too had difficulty with him in the left lane and swerving...
The Officer then told me, due to multiple reports in person as well as to *CSP that it in fact a rare case of the guy in front's fault.
Comsic Karma?
I like to think so.
(no TmLeader03, that wasn't a pit maneuver. [ROFL1])
Oh yeah, gotta love the mouthbreathing knuckledraggers that speed up as you're passing them, like you just insulted their manhood by going a little faster than them.
I was passing a guy in a pickup once that had a big load of new aluminum siding in the back. He floored it, of course, can't let no sumbitch pass HIM, by God. I looked in the mirror just in time to see the ENTIRE load of siding exit the back of his truck and go whipping through the air like a bunch of leaves. It was beautiful. I'm sure he still swears it was MY fault though.
This happened to me the other day on Evergreen Parkway! I get over to the left, begin to pass the guy, and before my back tire reached his front quarter panel he sped up and wanted to get in front of me while I'm doing 60 in a 55 after trying to pass him doing 50. Needless to say I just drove normal and he had to back off to avoid rear ending a Buick then nearly clipped my bumper as he got over into my lane. WTF?
[ROFL1][ROFL1]
you know it was!
I was coming back from and Interview in Longmont today (Seagate)
Jackhole driving in the left lane talking on his phone 60-65mph in a 75
I no more got around him than someone rear ended him. I was MAYBE 2 car lengths in front of him.
So I pulled off, dialed 911. I waited for the Cops, told the CSP what I Saw. asked about the passing on the right, etc... Made sure to point out that I too had difficulty with him in the left lane and swerving...
The Officer then told me, due to multiple reports in person as well as to *CSP that it in fact a rare case of the guy in front's fault.
Comsic Karma?
I like to think so.
(no TmLeader03, that wasn't a pit maneuver. [ROFL1])
Thanks for calling and stopping. So many people just are too busy to be good citizens and look out for one another.
I assume there were no injuries other than wounded pride [Tooth]
SideShow Bob
09-19-2011, 18:15
This is what everyone needs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me82R7DKsMU&feature=related
Must you drag me into this ? I thought the trunk monkey crap crap was over with.[ROFL1]
KevDen2005
09-19-2011, 18:23
Probably enough "stupid" on both sides to last a lifetime.
Probably, but I say why are you getting out of the vehicle to have an altercation with another driver. Without having all the facts I can't be completely upset with the "suspect" here.
SideShow Bob
09-19-2011, 18:35
Back in the late 80s,( long before cell phones and concealed carry permits ) I had a similar incident like the original post that involved 5 rednecks in a pickup. I had taken a right instead of a left after pulling off the highway and fueling up in Albuquerque.
If I hadn't pulled my Rem. Rand ( cocked and locked and thumb on the safety ) I believe that my first wife and I would not be here today to tell you about it.
Sometimes pulling out a firearm will keep you from having to shoot someone.
SSB. AKA TTM.
rockhound
09-19-2011, 18:42
still say the guy that was out of his car was the not the victim regardless of what the other guy defended himself with. had the guy not stopped his aggression i say the guy with the gun is in his rights to defend himself and whoever is with him.
KevDen2005
09-19-2011, 18:43
Back in the late 80s,( long before cell phones and concealed carry permits ) I had a similar incident like the original post that involved 5 rednecks in a pickup. I had taken a right instead of a left after pulling off the highway and fueling up in Albuquerque.
If I hadn't pulled my Rem. Rand ( cocked and locked and thumb on the safety ) I believe that my first wife and I would not be here today to tell you about it.
Sometimes pulling out a firearm will keep you from having to shoot someone.
SSB. AKA TTM.
It's all about how you articulate the situation and would a reasonable person believe you had a legitimate fear of death or serious bodily injury if you hadn't. Maybe the "suspect" in this had the same thing but we'll never know because the SO only go the "victim's" side of the story. I think it's stupid that the guy even reported it.
still say the guy that was out of his car was the not the victim regardless of what the other guy defended himself with. had the guy not stopped his aggression i say the guy with the gun is in his rights to defend himself and whoever is with him.
IMO, absolutely! 100%.
IMO, absolutely! 100%. I agree it would be a very very bad idea to come up to my car with my wife and kids with me, in a threatening manner with me not having a way out, over road rage. The guy that got out is definitely not the victim.
Byte Stryke
09-19-2011, 21:31
Thanks for calling and stopping. So many people just are too busy to be good citizens and look out for one another.
I assume there were no injuries other than wounded pride [Tooth]
nope, Jackhole was trying the "I got rear-ended and I Have whiplash." bullshit
I Swear, sometimes I think people do that shit on purpose
On a none gun related note...
"The suspect vehicle is described as a white late-model Subaru Legacy, or Ford sedan."
Who the hell can't tell the difference between a ford and a subaru? Especially when you got out of your car and walked up to it?
I can tell. The Subaru has the "coexist" sticker on back, right? [Coffee]
[ROFL1][ROFL1]
you know it was!
I was coming back from and Interview in Longmont today (Seagate)
Jackhole driving in the left lane talking on his phone 60-65mph in a 75
I no more got around him than someone rear ended him. I was MAYBE 2 car lengths in front of him.
So I pulled off, dialed 911. I waited for the Cops, told the CSP what I Saw. asked about the passing on the right, etc... Made sure to point out that I too had difficulty with him in the left lane and swerving...
The Officer then told me, due to multiple reports in person as well as to *CSP that it in fact a rare case of the guy in front's fault.
Comsic Karma?
I like to think so.
(no TmLeader03, that wasn't a pit maneuver. [ROFL1])
CSP was wrong. Doesn't matter how many people reported it. In fact, the more people reported it, the LESS it was the driver in front's fault.
Byte Stryke
09-19-2011, 22:29
CSP was wrong. Doesn't matter how many people reported it. In fact, the more people reported it, the LESS it was the driver in front's fault.
actually impeding the flow of traffic in violation of Colorado Statute 42-4-1013 is a crime.
and as he was going slow in the passing lane with evidence of reckless or careless driving which resulted in an accident makes him even more wrong.
last I saw of him he was lying on a stretcher blowing for the CSP.
So if it took you 6 hours to get from the Longmont exit to 120th ave... remember its OK to drive 60 in a 75 in the left lane...
Irving said so
Byte Stryke
09-19-2011, 22:33
http://blogs.denverpost.com/eletters/2007/04/27/slower-traffic-keep-right/126/
a nice viewpoint with some clarifications
and the actual brochure as published
http://www.coloradodot.info/library/Brochures/leftlanebrochure.pdf/at_download/file
Doesn't matter if it is in violation of the law or not, it doesn't make him at fault for the accident. Plus, the police don't get to decide who is at fault or not.
If you fall asleep at a green light because you are too drunk, and someone rear ends you, even though you are very much breaking the law, you're still not at fault for some one plowing into you.
Byte Stryke
09-20-2011, 05:57
Doesn't matter if it is in violation of the law or not, it doesn't make him at fault for the accident. Plus, the police don't get to decide who is at fault or not.
If you fall asleep at a green light because you are too drunk, and someone rear ends you, even though you are very much breaking the law, you're still not at fault for some one plowing into you.
and what law/regulation is that?
Because I am pretty sure creating a hazardous situation recklessly is a violation of the law, thus would make it the first guys fault.
allot like the left turn scam
Colorado Luckydog
09-20-2011, 06:41
If you fall asleep at a green light because you are too drunk, and someone rear ends you, even though you are very much breaking the law, you're still not at fault for some one plowing into you.
Go ahead and try this and let us know how it works out for you.
I don't understand why this is so difficult to understand. Every driver has a duty to avoid contact with other vehicles on the roadway.
"He was going too slow" is not a reasonable explanation for rear ending someone in your lane. Even if they are stopped.
KevDen2005
09-20-2011, 07:39
Go ahead and try this and let us know how it works out for you.
Obviously the dui driver will get charged as well as the driver who just rear-ended someone.
n8tive97
09-20-2011, 07:58
Lots of people are stressed out these days and are looking for an outlook to release their anger. This economy, unemployment and government cluster f**k going on is stressing people out.
It seems like I am personally involved or see other drivers involved in road rage just about every day. Sometimes, it’s hard for me to just chill and move on, I would like to check some a** hole in the highway barrier every once in a while.....
Maybe I need anger management class........ again![Coffee]
Maybe I need anger management class........ again![Coffee][/COLOR]
Is there a group discount? How about a frequent flyer's club?
Lots of people are stressed out these days and are looking for an outlook to release their anger. This economy, unemployment and government cluster f**k going on is stressing people out.
It seems like I am personally involved or see other drivers involved in road rage just about every day. Sometimes, it’s hard for me to just chill and move on, I would like to check some a** hole in the highway barrier every once in a while.....
Maybe I need anger management class........ again![Coffee]
I agree with TF... Sign me up too. I encounter it every morning on my way from Lakewood to Evergreen on WB I-70. I actually got flipped off yesterday for flashing my lights at a guy doing 50 in the left lane (where there are very clear big white signs with black writing that say "Left Lane Minimum Speed 55")
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