Don't Ask Don't Tell Repealed

[BushMasterBoy]

Today is the effective date of allowing homosexuals to openly serve in the military ranks. Does anybody know if this law is still going to be enforced?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sec_10_00000925----000-.html (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sec_10_00000925----000-.html)

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

From what I heard on the news, it is currently being enforced and will continue to be.

[ghettodub]

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Just my .02. This has gone back and forth so much, it's making my eyes bleed.

Honest question here: if sodomy truly is illegal, how can there be so much anal porn?

[SA Friday]

Good luck with that. I was involved in hundreds of rape cases, various players, and the only way to make Art 125 stick is when it involves unconsentual acts. First time they try to endo the new policy with Art 125, they'll get spiked like a touchdown football.

[Ronin13]

Did you guys know that oral is also considered Sodomy... don't tell your wives that what they do on that once a year day is illegal! [LOL] Sodomy, like masturbating in an airplane lavatory, may be illegal but it's not really enforced.

[BushMasterBoy]

http://www.necro-equine-sadism.com/beating-a-dead-horse.jpg

Just my .02. This has gone back and forth so much, it's making my eyes bleed.

Honest question here: if sodomy truly is illegal, how can there be so much anal porn?

This is military law only. Uniform Code of Military Justice does not apply to civilians.

[SA Friday]

The UCMJ is simply another form of federal law that's specific to a secular group of citizens based on their unique positions. It still fall within the upper enchelon of civilian appeals process, and its laws are still measured by other fed appeal courts precidence rulings.

The supreme court has ruled on many other similar state laws concerning sodomy and adultry and all without an element of force have been fuled unconstitutional. Sorry, private consentual sex in whatever form you choose is still just private consentual sex.

Btw, the original post was refering to the UCMJ.

[ghettodub]

This is military law only. Uniform Code of Military Justice does not apply to civilians.

Ah, didn't notice that it was title 10 UCMJ stuff.

Regardless, I don't think just because DADT was revoked that it's gonna turn in to a gay sex party. It's not like gays didn't serve before, and now they're gonna start wearing feather boas along with their kevlar

[Ronin13]

Just FYI- and I can't find the title or code, but UCMJ does still have it on the books that the only "Authorized sexual position" is the missionary... talk about a lack of variety!

[sabot_round]

Just FYI- and I can't find the title or code, but UCMJ does still have it on the books that the only "Authorized sexual position" is the missionary... talk about a lack of variety!

There are Army myths and there are Army Regulations. ^^^This one happens to be a myth!!

[SA Friday]

Ok, I just went and got my copy of the UCMJ. Yes, I have my very own.

The posted site for Article 125 is incomplete. Only section (a) is posted, and the elements of proof are not there nor is the explanation of unnatural carnal copulation.

Elements of proof
(1). that the accused engaged in unnatural carnal copulation with a certain other person or with an animal.
(add either or both of the following elements, if applicable)
(2). That the act was done with a child under the age of 16.
(3). That the act was done by force and without the consent of the other person.

Unnatural carnal copulation... Mouth or butt penetration, nothing about positions...

So, do you have a violation of this article without force? Yes, but not enough to enforce without additional circumstances. With force, you have a definate violation and it's enforceable and court martialable.

You seriously want to open the door to court martials on sodomy cases without elements 2 or 3 involved? I don't...

[TFOGGER]

... and now they're gonna start wearing feather boas along with their kevlar
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[airborneranger]

Just FYI- and I can't find the title or code, but UCMJ does still have it on the books that the only "Authorized sexual position" is the missionary... talk about a lack of variety!

That isn't true anymore. Sodomy is no longer a violation of UCMJ. It presents a problem when trying to punish someone for adultery.

For example, if a married man is having an affair with a man, it cannot be charged as adultery. One of the "burdens of proof" for adultery is to prove that sexual intercourse occured. In this case, it hasn't because sexual intercourse is defined as between a penis and vagina. :)

[ghettodub]

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[BushMasterBoy]

Sometimes in the military, surprise inspections of the barracks are common. Suppose a unit commander walks in on two guys going at it, he feels offended and notes this in his report. Judge advocate general sees the report, decides to prosecute. Both members found guilty. It's the law.

[airborneranger]

Sometimes in the military, surprise inspections of the barracks are common. Suppose a unit commander walks in on two guys going at it, he feels offended and notes this in his report. Judge advocate general sees the report, decides to prosecute. Both members found guilty. It's the law.

Wrong Wrong Wrong. It is not the law. I am not sure what you are quoting but it is incorrect.

[airborneranger]

Let's get some things sorted for those NOT in the military who seem to have an issue with this repeal.

1. Sodomy is no longer punishable under UCMJ. Stop your google searches in the hopes of finding something to disprove this.

2. No one in the military really gives a shit about it. There may be a few who post up their objections but from the sensing sessions I have conducted it is not a big deal.

3. The federal government still does not recognize gay marriages. Look up the Defense of Marriage ACT. Until this changes, there will be no gay "spouses" so there will be no medical benefits to them.

4. Enjoy your day!

[Ronin13]

Let's get some things sorted for those NOT in the military who seem to have an issue with this repeal.

1. Sodomy is no longer punishable under UCMJ. Stop your google searches in the hopes of finding something to disprove this.

2. No one in the military really gives a shit about it. There may be a few who post up their objections but from the sensing sessions I have conducted it is not a big deal.

3. The federal government still does not recognize gay marriages. Look up the Defense of Marriage ACT. Until this changes, there will be no gay "spouses" so there will be no medical benefits to them.

4. Enjoy your day!

Thank you! When I was in there was scuttlebutt from barracks lawyers that were filling us in on what supposedly you can get the boot for (like getting caught in the act of gay secks... although we had two females at JRTC that got caught and all that happened was a "Stay away from each other" order). DoD does in fact not recognize nor do I see them anytime soon on the gay marriage issue- although our current administration is quite progressive and could change this. For the time being though, I'll say this: If two men love each other, does it really affect your life at all? Nope? Didn't think so.

[ghettodub]

For the time being though, I'll say this: If two men love each other, does it really affect your life at all? Nope? Didn't think so.

as simple as that, man; well said.

As long as they're doing their job right, it shouldn't matter at all in my book. Gays that join the military aren't doing it to just find dudes to hook up with; they're, at least hopefully, doing it to serve our country. Just because you serve with a guy who's gay doesn't mean he wants to screw you. I see women all day around work that I wouldn't sleep with.

It wasn't that long ago that people said the same thing about blacks too...

I dunno, I guess my point is: I'm a big believer in personal freedom and liberty. As a gunner, I'm a big believer in my rights, so who would I be if I wanted to protect my own rights, but somehow wanted to take others away.

If you don't like gay stuff, don't watch it, listen to it or sleep with members of the same sex... Just like television or radio: if you don't like it, turn it off. But that doesn't mean you should take away someone else's right to do so. Just my little rant

[Ronin13]

as simple as that, man; well said.

As long as they're doing their job right, it shouldn't matter at all in my book. Gays that join the military aren't doing it to just find dudes to hook up with; they're, at least hopefully, doing it to serve our country. Just because you serve with a guy who's gay doesn't mean he wants to screw you. I see women all day around work that I wouldn't sleep with.

Exactly! Kinda pompous of someone to act like all gays want to hit on them... also while I was in basic back in '06 most of the people when asked by our DS why we joined said for College money. Oh well, can't win everything all the time.

[rondog]

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[mcantar18c]

I already brought this up in the BYPC thread but it seems to fit here better...
Since we now have to shower with gays*, can we just make showers completely coed?

*Yes I know they were probably gay before, but now they can be open about it.

[sniper7]

guess they need to make it a law (if it isn't one already), no public display of affection while in uniform between military service members, be they straight or gay.

the only time shit should happen is when they are leaving or coming home. two dudes going at it in the barracks should result in dishonorable discharge.

let them be gay, let them play their game, let them fly their flag and float on their rainbows. In the end, make rules and laws that can and will fuck them in the ass worse than their boyfriends and ruin their careers.

[sniper7]

anyone see the video where a soldier in germany called and youtubed calling his dad to tell him he is gay.

absolute bullshit that they need to do this and make a huge deal or it. you are who you are but the whole world doesn't need to hear about it.

[rondog]

absolute bullshit that they need to do this and make a huge deal or it. you are who you are but the whole world doesn't need to hear about it.

Yeah, wife and I know some guys that are gay, great dudes that'd do anything they could to help ya out. I personally couldn't care less about someone's orientation, but the ones that gotta flaunt it in everyone's faces really irritate the piss outta me. BFD if you're gay, but there's no reason to ACT like it! And what's up with the dykes, why do they all have that same haircut?

[Ronin13]

guess they need to make it a law (if it isn't one already), no public display of affection while in uniform between military service members, be they straight or gay.

Already in the regs- you can kiss/hug your wife and kids but no real messy stuff like tongue and groping and whatnot...


two dudes going at it in the barracks should result in dishonorable discharge.

let them be gay, let them play their game, let them fly their flag and float on their rainbows. In the end, make rules and laws that can and will fuck them in the ass worse than their boyfriends and ruin their careers.

Someone is closed minded... I've had lots and lots of sex in my barracks room, just because a guy is into dudes doesn't mean he should be punished, otherwise I'd be dishonorably discharged for straight sex in the barracks- since equal treatment under the law and all. I think it really doesn't matter if gays are allowed to serve or not... no skin off my back if they're here and queer. I already proved, I knew plenty of gays/lesbians while I was in and it didn't really change the fact that they put on the same uniform and took the same oath I did, so they were still my brothers and sisters and I had their back as much as they had mine- which was 100%. It's talk like yours that makes it harder for society to accept different people and their way of life. It hurts no one for two guys to love each other, just your fragile sensibilities I guess.

[Scanker19]

That isn't true anymore. Sodomy is no longer a violation of UCMJ. It presents a problem when trying to punish someone for adultery.

For example, if a married man is having an affair with a man, it cannot be charged as adultery. One of the "burdens of proof" for adultery is to prove that sexual intercourse occured. In this case, it hasn't because sexual intercourse is defined as between a penis and vagina. :)

I don't get it, if it's not between a penis and a vagina what's it between?

[SA Friday]

I don't get it, if it's not between a penis and a vagina what's it between?

You just wanted go type 'penis' and 'vagina'....[Coffee]

[ghettodub]

You just wanted go type 'penis' and 'vagina'....[Coffee]

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[airborneranger]

I don't get it, if it's not between a penis and a vagina what's it between?

That means anal sex is not really "sex". The military defines sexual intercourse as penetration of the penis into the vagina. That why you can't be charged with adultery for having anal sex since it doesn't count as sex. You can still be charged with having an inappropriate relationship.

[Ronin13]

That means anal sex is not really "sex". The military defines sexual intercourse as penetration of the penis into the vagina. That why you can't be charged with adultery for having anal sex since it doesn't count as sex. You can still be charged with having an inappropriate relationship.

When I had my "incident" in the Army involving an "inappropriate relationship" (don't be quick to judge without the facts and if you really want the story PM me) the CID agent told me that adultery is the hardest crime to prove in the Army- you'd need 2 witnesses and video/pictures would put the nail in the coffin... Trust me, it's not worth it, but still people shouldn't be hung up on what goes on in the bedroom of our armed forces, they should be more concerned about what's going on with immigration, economics, and the 2012 election.

[KevDen2005]

Did you guys know that oral is also considered Sodomy... don't tell your wives that what they do on that once a year day is illegal! [LOL] Sodomy, like masturbating in an airplane lavatory, may be illegal but it's not really enforced.


Oh I didn't know masturbating on an airplane was illegal, I just thought it was frowned upon.

[Scanker19]

Oh I didn't know masturbating on an airplane was illegal, I just thought it was frowned upon.

Only if you are sitting next to brown people. They are loud when they do it.

[TEAMRICO]

Yeah Jordan, and you ruined my WUBEE!

[tmleadr03]

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[BPTactical]

If the man next to you is willing to lay his life down for you, does it really matter what he defines as his significant other?



I will agree however I do not see the need to be flagrant and proud of your orientation.

[airborneranger]

If the man next to you is willing to lay his life down for you, does it really matter what he defines as his significant other?


FTW!!!

[sniper7]

Yeah, wife and I know some guys that are gay, great dudes that'd do anything they could to help ya out. I personally couldn't care less about someone's orientation, but the ones that gotta flaunt it in everyone's faces really irritate the piss outta me. BFD if you're gay, but there's no reason to ACT like it! And what's up with the dykes, why do they all have that same haircut?


Yep, I don't care one bit if they are gay, but flaunting it and making a big deal of it like this guy did to his dad is just as annoying as the liberals who bitch and moan about the horrible guns and want to make everything a dramatic production in some way or another.

I work with a ton of gays (airlines) and almost all of them are great people, do their thing and leave everyone alone. just do you job like everyone else and things go fine. I have only had an issue with one of them wanting to touch the little boy passengers when they would walk off the plane. That got straightened out real quick. Guy is a good dude, just very weird and I am guessing a really strange childhood, but I don't care and it isn't my place.