View Full Version : Student sent to principal's office for beliefs on homosexuality
mcantar18c
09-24-2011, 01:13
Makes me think twice about public education for my future kids.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/22/texas-school-punishes-boy-for-opposing-homosexuality/
An honors student in Fort Worth, Texas, was sent to the principal’s office and punished for telling a classmate that he believes homosexuality is wrong.
Holly Pope said she was “absolutely stunned” when she received a telephone call from an assistant principal at Western Hills High School informing her that her son, Dakota Ary, had been sent to in-school suspension.
“Dakota is a very well-grounded 14-year-old,” she told Fox News Radio noting that her son is an honors student, plays on the football team and is active in his church youth group. “He’s been in church his whole life and he’s been taught to stand up for what he believes.”
And that’s what got him in trouble.
Dakota was in a German class at the high school when the conversation shifted to religion and homosexuality in Germany. At some point during the conversation, he turned to a friend and said that he was a Christian and “being a homosexual is wrong.”
“It wasn’t directed to anyone except my friend who was sitting behind me,” Dakota told Fox. “I guess [the teacher] heard me. He started yelling. He told me he was going to write me an infraction and send me to the office.”
Sharpienads
09-24-2011, 02:34
Well it only makes sense. Obviously someone's right to be gay outweighs your right to free speech. And if you don't agree with homosexuality, you're just homophobic and intolerent.
Byte Stryke
09-24-2011, 05:09
I guess the teaching staff and the principle there took it personal...
Chad4000
09-24-2011, 07:34
I guess the teaching staff and the principle there took it personal...
+1
BPTactical
09-24-2011, 07:53
+1
+2
We don't have to worry about losing our country to foreign entities.
We are our own worst enemies.
Bodes well for the "Teacher" to yell at a student for such.
Maybe the "teacher" and "ass principal" are in it together.
Edit-sorry for the lack of punctuation on the "ass principal" it just seemed appropriate.
Geology Rocks
09-24-2011, 08:16
Well it only makes sense. Obviously someone's right to be gay outweighs your right to free speech. And if you don't agree with homosexuality, you're just homophobic and intolerent.
this..x 1gazillion.
joe
KevDen2005
09-24-2011, 10:15
Well it only makes sense. Obviously someone's right to be gay outweighs your right to free speech. And if you don't agree with homosexuality, you're just homophobic and intolerent.
Like I tell everyone, I don't agree with it but it's your right to be it. It's also my right to think and feel however I want. My job is isn't to judge.
But I think I want to send my kids to private school, hopefully I can afford it when the time comes.
Hey Folks, just like not all cops are bad, not all teachers are bad as well. You have one on this board (for now).
That being said... Teacher are ghey.... hahaha.
Teacher "yelling" at a student should not happen period, no matter what the content of the speech is.
Eggysrun
09-24-2011, 10:32
Well it only makes sense. Obviously someone's right to be gay outweighs your right to free speech. And if you don't agree with homosexuality, you're just homophobic and intolerent.
Exactly.
Once again liberal institutions forcing social agenda's down our throats.
So now kids are being targeted for exercising family values and morale beliefs that schools don't approve of? You could even call the school using "peer pressure" to make kids think and believe a certain way. Kinda ironic lol
BushMasterBoy
09-24-2011, 10:38
Homosexuals....the people who brought us the AIDS virus!
RANT OVER
Geology Rocks
09-24-2011, 10:43
I have always wondered why they can teach science and the theory of evolution but they cant teach about God.
joe
sometimesright
09-24-2011, 11:34
Hmmm... well, after having looked over the story and the facts as presented by the media, it appears there was an error and a correction was made. I'm going on the assumption that all relevant facts are included in the story. Generally speaking, it is unfortunate that erroneous decisions are sometimes made that cause even more issues for those involved and it would certainly be better if they don't happen in the first place (eliminates added stress, anger, frustration, etc).
On the "glass full full" side of things, at least there was the opportunity for review. In this case the review ended in a modification of the initial discipline given. Although the school would not comment specifically on what may or may not have been a personnel issue with a staff member, apparently the initial disciplinary action that took place was deemed necessary to correct (for reasons that will probably not come to light). Given that, hopefully there will be no further negative impact upon the student.
Byte Stryke
09-24-2011, 17:07
Hey Folks, just like not all cops are bad, not all teachers are bad as well. You have one on this board (for now).
That being said... Teacher are ghey.... hahaha.
Teacher "yelling" at a student should not happen period, no matter what the content of the speech is.
Can't bash bad cops because we have good ones here
Can't bash Bad teachers because we have a good one here
If we get a politician on here we are fucked for a topic.
[ROFL1]
Can't bash bad cops because we have good ones here
Can't bash Bad teachers because we have a good one here
If we get a politician on here we are fucked for a topic.
[ROFL1]
hehehehehe [Beer]
Can't bash bad cops because we have good ones here
Can't bash Bad teachers because we have a good one here
If we get a politician on here we are fucked for a topic.
[ROFL1]
By your reasoning we would have to have a GOOD politician. I don't believe those exist, odds are I'll see a sasquatch riding a unicorn before a good politician.
patrick0685
09-24-2011, 21:39
Hey Folks, just like not all cops are bad, not all teachers are bad as well. You have one on this board (for now).
That being said... Teacher are ghey.... hahaha.
Teacher "yelling" at a student should not happen period, no matter what the content of the speech is.
everyone know music teachers are way cooler than most other teachers
upparoom
09-24-2011, 21:40
so much for that whole free speech thing eh?
its more like "free speech unless you dont agree with me"
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
09-24-2011, 21:45
god thinks its wrong also thats why fags cant shit out little babies
Rotterdarn
09-24-2011, 21:45
If you think situations like this will be made better by sending your children to private school (including private catholic school) you'd do well not to fool yourself.
Zundfolge
09-24-2011, 21:54
Wow ... when did we cross the line between seeing Orwell's 1984 as a warning to seeing it as a blueprint?
so much for that whole free speech thing eh?
its more like "free speech unless you dont agree with me"
Disrupting the class with an off topic comment is not covered speech. Sorry.
Sharpienads
09-25-2011, 04:15
Disrupting the class with an off topic comment is not covered speech. Sorry.
They were discussing religion and homosexuality in Germany in high school German class... How is him saying he's a Christian and believes homosexuality is wrong off topic? And it doesn't sound like he disrupted class, he just made a comment to his buddy sitting next to him.
Oh, maybe it's because he didn't say it in German. [ROFL1]
But I'm sure if the boy said "I'm atheist and believe that everybody is entitled to the sexual orientation of their choice and we should all be tolerent and understanding of others" the teacher would have responded the same way. Yeah, right. It's not what the boy did, it is what he said.
"Krause said school leaders told Dakota that in the future he should be careful when and where he talks about his opposition to homosexuality - suggesting that he talks about such matters in the hallway instead of the classroom."
So it's OK for the teacher to obviously push his pro-gay agenda onto 9th graders, but if you have a dissenting opinion, you better talk about it in private in quiet corners. WTF?
BushMasterBoy
09-25-2011, 11:29
Wow. Bit hostile there and incorrect. You might want to do some reading/research into this before you blame a whole group of people for a virus that has been around for 100+ years!!!! From my micro/biochem days I think it was agreed that the virus came from chimps and the eating of them. Virus changed and developed into a human virus.
It is called a "zoonosis". Disease from an animal that becomes a human disease. Human Immuno Deficiency Virus (HIV) is a relative of the Simian Immuno Deficiency Virus (SIV) and most likely transmitted from an ape biting a human. The transmission vector being a saliva/ blood medium.
Center for Disease Control confirms that this virus was brought to the US from Africa, when a homosexual African flight attendant had anal sex with various US homosexuals. Yeah I'm a hostile straight white male, I admit it!
Too bad so many people died from tainted blood. And yes I am not incorrect!
* Disclaimer: Above statement is based on scientific fact and is not the opinion of the US Government.
They were discussing religion and homosexuality in Germany in high school German class... How is him saying he's a Christian and believes homosexuality is wrong off topic? And it doesn't sound like he disrupted class, he just made a comment to his buddy sitting next to him.
Oh, maybe it's because he didn't say it in German. [ROFL1]
But I'm sure if the boy said "I'm atheist and believe that everybody is entitled to the sexual orientation of their choice and we should all be tolerent and understanding of others" the teacher would have responded the same way. Yeah, right. It's not what the boy did, it is what he said.
So it's OK for the teacher to obviously push his pro-gay agenda onto 9th graders, but if you have a dissenting opinion, you better talk about it in private in quiet corners. WTF?
That's not up to me to decide, because I wasn't there. I'm sure that you're correct, but you can be damn sure that they'll use what I said as justification for their actions.
The article has too little information in it for me to jump one way or the other and get into an uproar about anything.
When I was in school, there was one kid who wore a dress to school one day. They made him change because they thought it was inappropriate and would disrupt class. I have a feeling this school would do the same thing. I think schools generally try to avoid things that will distract students from class far enough that the teacher will have a hard time bringing attention back where they need it. A raging debate about religion and sexuality, or a dude sitting across the room from you wearing a dress are good examples of those things.
mevshooter
09-25-2011, 12:08
That's not up to me to decide, because I wasn't there. I'm sure that you're correct, but you can be damn sure that they'll use what I said as justification for their actions.
The article has too little information in it for me to jump one way or the other and get into an uproar about anything.
When I was in school, there was one kid who wore a dress to school one day. They made him change because they thought it was inappropriate and would disrupt class. I have a feeling this school would do the same thing. I think schools generally try to avoid things that will distract students from class far enough that the teacher will have a hard time bringing attention back where they need it. A raging debate about religion and sexuality, or a dude sitting across the room from you wearing a dress are good examples of those things.
We had a guy at my high school who dressed like a girl, and used the girls bathrooms because he felt "more comfortable there."
The school didn't do anything about it for fear of the backlash.
Just a side note story.
Zundfolge
09-25-2011, 18:36
Disrupting the class with an off topic comment is not covered speech. Sorry.
I guarantee you if he disrupted class with comments about how the Tea Party is racist the teacher would have upped his grade and not sending him to the principals office.
We had a guy at my high school who dressed like a girl, and used the girls bathrooms because he felt "more comfortable there."
The school didn't do anything about it for fear of the backlash.
Just a side note story.
What the hell??
I guarantee you if he disrupted class with comments about how the Tea Party is racist the teacher would have upped his grade and not sending him to the principals office.
Probably.
This is why when the wifey and I have kids, we're probably going to home school. Public education should be an oxymoron.
I'm shocked you guys are all up in arms over this- don't you know, children in school have no rights. I remember our administration ran our school like 1930's/40's Germany, or more recently 1990's Iraq. My friend was suspended (and pending an investigation by Jeffco Schools was threatened with expulsion) because he wore a shirt with the Russian hammer and sickle, Chinese Communist star, and Nazi Germany Swastika that read "The experts agree, gun control works." Vice Principal thought it was a hateful shirt because the swastika, another administrator thought he was an extremist right winger that posed a threat to student safety (this was in the same county and only 3 years after Columbine). Needless to say, my buddies dad threatened to press charges against the school for violating his son's 1st Amendment rights- the case was shot down because he had signed the school's policy agreement, which contained nothing remotely relating to his shirt, but was a legal document that would hold up in court and basically said you don't have 1st Amendment protection in public high schools.
BushMasterBoy
09-26-2011, 11:19
No need to go there.
Can't bash bad cops because we have good ones here
Can't bash Bad teachers because we have a good one here
If we get a politician on here we are fucked for a topic.
[ROFL1]
Good Politician: An oxymoron of the first magnitude. Unless being spoken about as "the late Senator..."
Sharpienads
09-26-2011, 13:21
I'm shocked you guys are all up in arms over this- don't you know, children in school have no rights. I remember our administration ran our school like 1930's/40's Germany, or more recently 1990's Iraq. My friend was suspended (and pending an investigation by Jeffco Schools was threatened with expulsion) because he wore a shirt with the Russian hammer and sickle, Chinese Communist star, and Nazi Germany Swastika that read "The experts agree, gun control works." Vice Principal thought it was a hateful shirt because the swastika, another administrator thought he was an extremist right winger that posed a threat to student safety (this was in the same county and only 3 years after Columbine). Needless to say, my buddies dad threatened to press charges against the school for violating his son's 1st Amendment rights- the case was shot down because he had signed the school's policy agreement, which contained nothing remotely relating to his shirt, but was a legal document that would hold up in court and basically said you don't have 1st Amendment protection in public high schools.
While I agree that the high school class room isn't always the appropriate forum to voice your opinion or express yourself how you see fit, the issue here is the kid was originally punished for saying he thinks being gay is wrong. Plain and simple. If the teacher is going to have a discussion about religion and homosexuality, the kid can't be punished for what he said. He wasn't gay bashing, he didn't say anything offensive, he simply stated he was a christian and though being gay was wrong.
BushMasterBoy
09-26-2011, 13:25
I don't take orders, I give them.
While I agree that the high school class room isn't always the appropriate forum to voice your opinion or express yourself how you see fit, the issue here is the kid was originally punished for saying he thinks being gay is wrong. Plain and simple. If the teacher is going to have a discussion about religion and homosexuality, the kid can't be punished for what he said. He wasn't gay bashing, he didn't say anything offensive, he simply stated he was a christian and though being gay was wrong.
Also, let's not forget the keyword here: THINK... he didn't say "Gay is wrong," he said [in not as much detail] his opinion on homosexuality, as dictated by his religious beliefs, is that being gay is wrong--- in his opinion! So now we're punishing kids for having an opinion? Let's just turn out new generations into good little liberal droids.
ghettodub
09-26-2011, 14:03
Also, let's not forget the keyword here: THINK... he didn't say "Gay is wrong," he said [in not as much detail] his opinion on homosexuality, as dictated by his religious beliefs, is that being gay is wrong--- in his opinion! So now we're punishing kids for having an opinion? Let's just turn out new generations into good little liberal droids.
In all fairness, the comment of punishing kids for an opinion goes both ways. Stupid people on either side of the fence like to put down others when they don't like their point of view...
There use to be a time when one when one went to school to learn the now vanishing art of critial thinking. Now it seems to be mostly revisionist indoctrination.
mcantar18c
09-26-2011, 21:14
In all fairness, the comment of punishing kids for an opinion goes both ways. Stupid people on either side of the fence like to put down others when they don't like their point of view...
How did the student put down anyone with his comment? He simply stated his beliefs to a friend, he didn't direct the comment at any individual.
If he turned around and said to his friend, "I think black people smell bad." it'd be pretty easy feel insulted, even if he was only talking to his friend.
The reality is that a "real" man wouldn't be caught dead working in a liberal shithole like a public school. Therefore all that is left to fill the void that isn't already occupied by feminazis, are starfish troopers and their metrosexual sympathizers.
mcantar18c
09-27-2011, 00:01
If he turned around and said to his friend, "I think black people smell bad." it'd be pretty easy feel insulted, even if he was only talking to his friend.
So what if he thinks black people smell bad? Why are we worried about other people's feelings?
I know you like your analogies, so look at it like this:
If you and I are walking down the street and see a middle-eastern looking guy, and I threaten him, I could be in trouble.
If you and I are sitting in Subway and I say "Islam/Muslims are scum and need to be wiped off the face of the earth," its a bit different. Why? Because I'm not directing it at a particular individual. Sure someone that overhears might get butthurt about it, but BFD.
mjbealer
09-27-2011, 00:37
Why does he have to be tolerant if what his teacher believes? It Is obvious that his teacher is not tolerant of his views. Tolerance used to be a 2 way street, where people could agree to disagree and move on. Now it is we have to accept everyone else's views and beliefs, while they trample on ours and are disgusted and appalled that we do not think the same. Tolerance is no longer a 2 way street... it is a highway that only goes one direction.
jhood001
09-27-2011, 01:11
There is no place for any sort of comment in any classroom unless the instructor was encouraging discussion and debate.
If discussion and debate was being encouraged, then the instructor needs to be disciplined for escalating the event outside of his or her's classroom. Whether it conflicted with their personal beliefs or not.
If discussion and debate was not being encouraged, then the student in this article should rightfully be disciplined.
It seems pretty cut and dry to me.
So what if he thinks black people smell bad? Why are we worried about other people's feelings?
I know you like your analogies, so look at it like this:
If you and I are walking down the street and see a middle-eastern looking guy, and I threaten him, I could be in trouble.
If you and I are sitting in Subway and I say "Islam/Muslims are scum and need to be wiped off the face of the earth," its a bit different. Why? Because I'm not directing it at a particular individual. Sure someone that overhears might get butthurt about it, but BFD.
Jesus Christ.
jhood001
09-27-2011, 01:26
Jesus Christ.
Stop feeding the ignorant and they'll eventually starve, Irving.
Sharpienads
09-27-2011, 03:24
There is no place for any sort of comment in any classroom unless the instructor was encouraging discussion and debate.
If discussion and debate was being encouraged, then the instructor needs to be disciplined for escalating the event outside of his or her's classroom. Whether it conflicted with their personal beliefs or not.
If discussion and debate was not being encouraged, then the student in this article should rightfully be disciplined.
It seems pretty cut and dry to me.
True, but from the article it sounds like he was disciplined for what he said, not because he said something.
The reality is that a "real" man wouldn't be caught dead working in a liberal shithole like a public school. Therefore all that is left to fill the void that isn't already occupied by feminazis, are starfish troopers and their metrosexual sympathizers.
Wow dude... Guess I should turn in my man card to you then huh? I appreciate your candidness and generalizations since I teach in public schools and stick up for my 2nd (and all other rights). I even had a lesson recently on musical volumne relating to the decibles of gunshots. (You guys should've seen the parent responses to that one. And people say that parents aren't involved in their children's education anymore, HA.)
People say real men don't cry or need Jesus either, but I sure do. That's a different thread however.
n8tive97
09-27-2011, 08:11
I agree with the kid, am I banned now?
Mobat555
09-27-2011, 08:26
You can keep in mind here that we are only getting one side of the story. The teacher or the school district cannot speak to media while the incident is being investigated by the district. Not to mention this was part of a newly adopted policy of the school district for "anti-bullying".
The Fort Worth school district has expanded its anti-bullying policy to protect students who express themselves -- including their sexuality -- in nontraditional ways, a move that gay-rights advocates say is positive and progressive.
Source (http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/06/29/3189815/fort-worth-school-district-expands.html)
Being married to a teacher I can tell you this, 90% of the time this stuff does not happen once and result in a suspension. What we are probably not being told is what harassment took place prior to the incident. The perspective most are taking is that this was an isolated incident which I seriously doubt. Something we will not find out until the school district finishes its investigation.
One final note, any man willing to teach our kids for crappy pay, little to no respect, and in a female dominated environment is a hero to me. It would be like having 30 wives and you only get to be around them when they are bitchy.
Wow dude... Guess I should turn in my man card to you then huh? I appreciate your candidness and generalizations since I teach in public schools and stick up for my 2nd (and all other rights). I even had a lesson recently on musical volumne relating to the decibles of gunshots. (You guys should've seen the parent responses to that one. And people say that parents aren't involved in their children's education anymore, HA.)
People say real men don't cry or need Jesus either, but I sure do. That's a different thread however.
Amen!
My biggest issues with public schools are the unions and career administrators who seem to be politicians in training. IMO, teaching, as a profession, is a calling. When a teacher becomes more interested in anything besides the students and what they are learning, they are doing their profession a disservice.
The schools need more teachers who care about students learning and less about offending some political constituency.
Again, just my opinion. I personally wouldn't last two minutes in a public school classroom. Not enough patience and way too quick to respond to the challenge "make me." [ROFL1]
ghettodub
09-27-2011, 09:11
How did the student put down anyone with his comment? He simply stated his beliefs to a friend, he didn't direct the comment at any individual.
I wasn't referring to what the kid said... I was referring to what ronin said about liberals...
ghettodub
09-27-2011, 09:14
The reality is that a "real" man wouldn't be caught dead working in a liberal shithole like a public school. Therefore all that is left to fill the void that isn't already occupied by feminazis, are starfish troopers and their metrosexual sympathizers.
so wouldn't that be a good reason for "real men" to try and become involved and change the system? A "real" man would try to make a difference IMO
ghettodub
09-27-2011, 09:14
Amen!
My biggest issues with public schools are the unions and career administrators who seem to be politicians in training. IMO, teaching, as a profession, is a calling. When a teacher becomes more interested in anything besides the students and what they are learning, they are doing their profession a disservice.
The schools need more teachers who care about students learning and less about offending some political constituency.
Again, just my opinion. I personally wouldn't last two minutes in a public school classroom. Not enough patience and way too quick to respond to the challenge "make me." [ROFL1]
[Beer]
Geology Rocks
09-27-2011, 09:29
my wife is a school teacher for 3rd grade and I will say this...99% of the stuff that gets passed for teachers and schools comes from people who havent taught in 15+ years, or never taught at all.
joe
I wasn't referring to what the kid said... I was referring to what ronin said about liberals...
What? Droids? It wasn't an insult to libs, it was stating more fact- for the most part schools are liberal run institutions (I only know a handful of repub or conservative teachers) and it seems like we're trying to halt independent thinking and go to a more streamlined conformist thought process for our youth. That's what I was saying about liberals.
ghettodub
09-27-2011, 12:48
What? Droids? It wasn't an insult to libs, it was stating more fact- for the most part schools are liberal run institutions (I only know a handful of repub or conservative teachers) and it seems like we're trying to halt independent thinking and go to a more streamlined conformist thought process for our youth. That's what I was saying about liberals.
I hear ya man, and I agree that the schools are heavily run by liberals. I just mean that people on either side that don't like the other tend to try and censor or change the way the other think.
I hear ya man, and I agree that the schools are heavily run by liberals. I just mean that people on either side that don't like the other tend to try and censor or change the way the other think.
Well I try to censor and change the way the other side thinks when it's grossly inaccurate... "Guns are evil, and can be attributed to more deaths in this country than any other household accident." Shut up right now, that kind of thinking is wrong, dangerous, and very offensive to me. Along that same line of thinking the lack of free pens is the cause of illiteracy.
ghettodub
09-28-2011, 08:56
Well I try to censor and change the way the other side thinks when it's grossly inaccurate... "Guns are evil, and can be attributed to more deaths in this country than any other household accident." Shut up right now, that kind of thinking is wrong, dangerous, and very offensive to me. Along that same line of thinking the lack of free pens is the cause of illiteracy.
no argument from me there, man
It pisses me off to no end when I hear about teachers pushing their personal beliefs on kids at school. I'm sorry, but that's not what the hell you are paid to do.
Someone's belief that homosexuality is right is equal to someone else's belief that it is wrong. Either way, the student shouldn't have been punished.
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