Does having a MMJ card prevent CCW?

[Lex_Luthor]

I searched the forums, and found a lot on purchasing a firearm while being a MMJ cardholder, but didn't really find much specifically talking about mmj + ccw.

I have a friend who wants to take the ccw class with me, but before he signs up, he aked me if I knew whether having his mmj card will prevent him from lawfully being able to conceal? I didn't have an answer for him, so I told him I'll ask around and get back to him.

[TFOGGER]

Gray area: An MMJ card implies you are a "habitual user" of a Federally banned drug, therefore you theoretically can't purchase a firearm without perjuring yourself on the 4473. MMJ is legal with a card on the state level, but still not at the federal level. CCW implies that you are in compliance with all applicable firearms laws, so I would think that would preclude MMJ. That being said, I know a number of people with both.

I realize that clarifies things like stirring up swamp silt...

[DANGERTASTIC!]

Thats pretty scary. Why would you want to carry a firearm while smoking something that alters perception?

I dont know about anyone else but I wouldnt want to defend in front of a jury why I shot someone and was under the influence of marijuana.

The prosecuter would have a field day

[OneGuy67]

Simple answer: Yes. Marijuana is illegal based upon federal law. See 1 (f). The definition used 18-18-102 (5) is: (5) "Controlled substance" means a drug, substance, or immediate precursor included in schedules I through V of part 2 of this article, including cocaine, marijuana, marijuana concentrate, any synthetic cannabinoid, and salvia divinorum.


18-12-203. Criteria for obtaining a permit. (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=query&iid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0&q=%5BGroup%20%2718-12-203%27%5D)

(1) Beginning May 17, 2003, except as otherwise provided in this section, a sheriff shall issue a permit to carry a concealed handgun to an applicant who:
(a) Is a legal resident of the state of Colorado. For purposes of this part 2, a person who is a member of the armed forces and is stationed pursuant to permanent duty station orders at a military installation in this state, and a member of the person's immediate family living in Colorado, shall be deemed to be a legal resident of the state of Colorado.
(b) Is twenty-one years of age or older;
(c) Is not ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to section 18-12-108 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=18-12-108&sid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0#JD_18-12-108) or federal law;
(d) Has not been convicted of perjury under section 18-8-503 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=18-8-503&sid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0#JD_18-8-503), in relation to information provided or deliberately omitted on a permit application submitted pursuant to this part 2;
(e) (I) Does not chronically and habitually use alcoholic beverages to the extent that the applicant's normal faculties are impaired.
(II) The prohibition specified in this paragraph (e) shall not apply to an applicant who provides an affidavit, signed by a professional counselor or addiction counselor who is licensed pursuant to article 43 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=t.%2012,%20art.%2043&sid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0#JD_t12art43) of title 12 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=t.%2012&sid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0#JD_t12), C.R.S., and specializes in alcohol addiction, stating that the applicant has been evaluated by the counselor and has been determined to be a recovering alcoholic who has refrained from using alcohol for at least three years.
(f) Is not an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance as defined in section 18-18-102 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=18-18-102&sid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0#JD_18-18-102) (5). Whether an applicant is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance shall be determined as provided in federal law and regulations.
(g) Is not subject to:
(I) A protection order issued pursuant to section 18-1-1001 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=18-1-1001&sid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0#JD_18-1-1001) or section 19-2-707 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=19-2-707&sid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0#JD_19-2-707), C.R.S., that is in effect at the time the application is submitted; or
(II) A permanent protection order issued pursuant to article 14 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=t.%2013,%20art.%2014&sid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0#JD_t13art14) of title 13 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=t.%2013&sid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0#JD_t13), C.R.S.; or
(III) A temporary protection order issued pursuant to article 14 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=t.%2013,%20art.%2014&sid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0#JD_t13art14) of title 13 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=t.%2013&sid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0#JD_t13), C.R.S., that is in effect at the time the application is submitted;
(h) Demonstrates competence with a handgun by submitting:
(I) Evidence of experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competitions or current military service;
(II) Evidence that, at the time the application is submitted, the applicant is a certified instructor;
(III) Proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States armed forces within the three years preceding submittal of the application;
(IV) Proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States armed forces that reflects pistol qualifications obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application;
(V) A certificate showing retirement from a Colorado law enforcement agency that reflects pistol qualifications obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application; or
(VI) A training certificate from a handgun training class obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application. The applicant shall submit the original training certificate or a photocopy thereof that includes the original signature of the class instructor. In obtaining a training certificate from a handgun training class, the applicant shall have discretion in selecting which handgun training class to complete.
(2) Regardless of whether an applicant meets the criteria specified in subsection (1) of this section, if the sheriff has a reasonable belief that documented previous behavior by the applicant makes it likely the applicant will present a danger to self or others if the applicant receives a permit to carry a concealed handgun, the sheriff may deny the permit.
(3) (a) The sheriff shall deny, revoke, or refuse to renew a permit if an applicant or a permittee fails to meet one of the criteria listed in subsection (1) of this section and may deny, revoke, or refuse to renew a permit on the grounds specified in subsection (2) of this section.
(b) Following issuance of a permit, if the issuing sheriff has a reasonable belief that a permittee no longer meets the criteria specified in subsection (1) of this section or that the permittee presents a danger as described in subsection (2) of this section, the sheriff shall suspend the permit until such time as the matter is resolved and the issuing sheriff determines that the permittee is eligible to possess a permit as provided in this section.
(c) If the sheriff suspends or revokes a permit, the sheriff shall notify the permittee in writing, stating the grounds for suspension or revocation and informing the permittee of the right to seek a second review by the sheriff, to submit additional information for the record, and to seek judicial review pursuant to section 18-12-207 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=18-12-207&sid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0#JD_18-12-207).

Source: L. 2003: Entire part added, p. 638, § 1, effective May 17. L. 2004: (1)(g) amended, p. 1198, § 52, effective August 4. L. 2008: (1)(e)(II) amended, p. 426, § 27, effective August 5.

[Lex_Luthor]

I know a number of people with both.


My next question would be: Which card did they get first?


Thats pretty scary. Why would you want to carry a firearm while smoking something that alters perception?

I dont know about anyone else but I wouldnt want to defend in front of a jury why I shot someone and was under the influence of marijuana.

The prosecuter would have a field day

i agree Danger. I have a lot of friends with a mmj card (after all, I'm 25) and it's not something I personally elected to get. I've smoked it a couple times, but it's not really something that I feel like I need to 'enjoy'.


...

Thanks OneGuy.

I think the biggest thing I'll relay to him is that he'll have to make a choice. Which rights would he prefer to keep. I am not sure if he has the full blown card, or the temporary thing before you send your money into the state.

[monganian]

Larimer county's application actually added a page to clarify that medical marijuana use is still marijuana use, and therefore a disqualifier for a CHP.

[Lex_Luthor]

The class we're going to take is good for 5 years. So if he decides to let his mmj card drop off, could he wait and apply for his CHP after his MMJ card is ineffective?

[TFOGGER]

My next question would be: Which card did they get first?





In all cases, the CCW came first. Based on the law, I would say they are carrying in violation of the terms of their permits.

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

BAD IDEA choose one or the other

[SA Friday]

Great post OneGuy.

I would also advise your buddies that a permanent card for MMJ might be construed as once habitual, and render them screwed permanently for a ccw.

Seriously, I know a few perm mmj card holders and they fall into two categories; pretty physically ill and would never carry because of it, and people skirting the fed controlled substance act. Not saying mmj is classified correctly in the act, but sometimes you just can't have your brownies and eat them too. If they're just doing it to skirt the current laws, tell them its a bad idea.

[Graves]

Heh, brownies...good one.

[Zundfolge]

Mere possession of both MJ and a gun is a federal felony. So I'm guessing neither your MMJ card nor your CCW would protect you from prosecution.

[jerrymrc]

On a kind of related note. I work for the DOD. A few years ago my progressive doc asked about ditching the pain pills and going the MM route.

I explained that although Colorado says it is fine my employer does not. I am subject to a urinalysis working in the Medical field.

[Lex_Luthor]

The class we're going to take is good for 5 years. So if he decides to let his mmj card drop off, could he wait and apply for his CHP after his MMJ card is ineffective?

Thanks everyone! I gave my buddy a link to this thread. Can anyone answer this question?

[glockedandloaded]

Thanks everyone! I gave my buddy a link to this thread. Can anyone answer this question?

lmao... your buddy [UZI]

[kwando]

scary thought there are so many with both

[Lex_Luthor]

Yeah yeah... I know it looks as though I am "asking for a friend". But if I had my mmj card, I would have just asked for myself. That's the kind of person I am. Besides, I'm not a huge fan of weed. I've done it a few times, but not really suitable for my lifestyle (healthy and active). I'll be able to get my ccw soon enough and won't have to jump through any hoops or be weasel-y in any way. [Beer]

[Lex_Luthor]

Great post OneGuy.

I would also advise your buddies that a permanent card for MMJ might be construed as once habitual, and render them screwed permanently for a ccw.

Seriously, I know a few perm mmj card holders and they fall into two categories; pretty physically ill and would never carry because of it, and people skirting the fed controlled substance act. Not saying mmj is classified correctly in the act, but sometimes you just can't have your brownies and eat them too. If they're just doing it to skirt the current laws, tell them its a bad idea.

I'm not sure if his card is permanent. I doubt it is. So if he lets his time lapse on his mmj card, will it disqualify him indefinitely? Or could he wait and apply for his CHP when the mmj clears? Any idea how long that would take, if it's even possible?

[DANGERTASTIC!]

When filling out paperwork for your CCW or even an FFL, it asks MULTIPLE questions about how often you drink, have you ever been addicted to a substance, are you under the influence etc etc etc.

Tell your friend to make a choice.

I know PLENTY of people who smoke. I can almost guarantee hes not goona give up weed.

Not trying to judge your friend, but like I said, I know those peolpe.

They CANT stop.

Even under court order with the risk of jail.

[USMC88-93]

Your friend can technically not purchase a weapon at this point. See link with .pdf notice from the BATFE
http://www.nssf.org/share/PDF/ATFOpenLetter092111.pdf

On a side note do you have a hi-res of your GTFO avatar?

[SAnd]

Here is a link to a ATF letter dated September 21, 2011 stating that a Medical Marijuana card makes it illegal to possess firearms. The letter is addressed to FFL's but it is clear that they say no exception for medical marijuana.

It's in the third paragraph.

http://www.nssf.org/share/PDF/ATFOpenLetter092111.pdf

[Irving]

I know PLENTY of people who smoke. I can almost guarantee hes not goona give up weed.

Not trying to judge your friend, but like I said, I know those peolpe.

They CANT stop.

Even under court order with the risk of jail.

Apparently you don't know very many people who smoke then.



Your friend can technically not purchase a weapon at this point. See link with .pdf notice from the BATFE
http://www.nssf.org/share/PDF/ATFOpenLetter092111.pdf

On a side note do you have a hi-res of your GTFO avatar?

Not from a dealer.

[SAnd]

Not from a dealer.

He is not allowed possession of a firearm at all!

Referring to the letter in the link-

The fast 5 lines of the third paragraph reference the laws that prohibit any person who is a user of a controlled substance from possessing a firearm or ammunition. It further states there are no federal exceptions to those laws.

The letter is official position of the law abiding Managers of Fast and Furious, otherwise known as the ATF.

[Ronin13]

Here I will play the little devil's advocate here... [Muaha]
Do you carry whilst consuming alcohol?
I would expect it to be the same thing here. Most of the people I know who poke smot do it and don't own guns. I've smoked (recently in fact) and made sure that I wasn't carrying while under the influence- why risk it. But if I were to ever get my MMJ card (which I actually fit the legitimate criteria, not some BS just to smoke legally- I actually have a condition that I've found cannabis is the best medicine for) I would do it in the safety and privacy of my own home and keep the firearms locked up and simply "medicate" when I have no plans to leave the house. Like those Friday nights where I don't go out and just stay home with a few glasses of scotch.

[DANGERTASTIC!]

Apparently you don't know very many people who smoke then. .

What part of my response are you addressing?

I DO know plenty of people that smoke

[Opie]

Here is a link to a ATF letter dated September 21, 2011 stating that a Medical Marijuana card makes it illegal to possess firearms. The letter is addressed to FFL's but it is clear that they say no exception for medical marijuana.

It's in the third paragraph.

http://www.nssf.org/share/PDF/ATFOpenLetter092111.pdf


It is up to the issuing sheriff, GCSD wouldn't issue a chp permit to a mmj card holder. (they are the issuer of both so they know)

This subject comes up at all of our classes and we always advised them that it was a bad idea if not illegal for them to possess both.

After seeing this we will be (unfortunately) asking folks prior to allowing them to take the class if they have a mmj card and turning those that do away completely. Aiding and abetting a person in committing a felony is not something I really want to get into.

[Colorado_Outback]

Here I will play the little devil's advocate here... [Muaha]
Do you carry whilst consuming alcohol?


Or know someone who has a problem with alcohol and checked no while standing at the gun counter, exact same thing as if they had a red card but some how not nearly as big a deal..

[TFOGGER]

Mere possession of a CARD should not be a disqualifier. Having the card does not absolutely mean you are a user(although it IS a strong indication). Possession of marijuana while carrying would be a felony, regardless of MMJ card.

[Ronin13]

It is up to the issuing sheriff, GCSD wouldn't issue a chp permit to a mmj card holder. (they are the issuer of both so they know)

This subject comes up at all of our classes and we always advised them that it was a bad idea if not illegal for them to possess both.

After seeing this we will be (unfortunately) asking folks prior to allowing them to take the class if they have a mmj card and turning those that do away completely. Aiding and abetting a person in committing a felony is not something I really want to get into.

I have a feeling this is inaccurate. How can a Sheriff's dept issue a MEDICAL prescription? I believe the doctor can do that, but LE has nothing to do with medicine... That'd be like your Sheriff giving you prescriptions to Vicodin, clearly not the case.

[Colorado_Outback]

I have a feeling this is inaccurate. How can a Sheriff's dept issue a MEDICAL prescription? I believe the doctor can do that, but LE has nothing to do with medicine... That'd be like your Sheriff giving you prescriptions to Vicodin, clearly not the case.

True, Colorado Health Dept processes the paperwork and issues the cards.

[68Charger]

I have a feeling this is inaccurate. How can a Sheriff's dept issue a MEDICAL prescription? I believe the doctor can do that, but LE has nothing to do with medicine... That'd be like your Sheriff giving you prescriptions to Vicodin, clearly not the case.

just to be clear, MMJ is NOT a prescription... it's a "recommendation"
and maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's "recommended" by a caregiver, not a doctor.

it's not anywhere near the same thing as Vicodin (from a legal standpoint)

[BigBear]

I don't drink, nor smoke... does that mean that I can double fist a pair of gold Deagle's in .50AE? hehehehe... They conceal just fine under my Miami white linen shirt......

[Ronin13]

Like it or not, it looks like it's here to stay.
Here are the top 3 counties in Colorado in terms of patients:
Denver- 19,148
El Paso- 14,828
Jefferson- 14,552
Pretty surprising... Boulder came in 4th with only 11,755.

[onedeadpirate]

I agree that use of a firearm under influence of any substance is unsafe and unlawful, but possessing a mmj card or even having mmj in my possession does not mean I am under the influence. What if I stop on the way home from work and pick up a bag? Isn't this the same as stopping at the store to grab a 6 pack? Get over it, it is legal in our state (kind of) and freedom means allowing others to live the way they want even if you do not agree with it and vice versa. Why shouldn't legally abiding citizens and/or businesses be able to defend themselves?

[Colorado_Outback]

Get over it, it is legal in our state (kind of) and freedom means allowing others to live the way they want even if you do not agree with it and vice versa. Why shouldn't legally abiding citizens and/or businesses be able to defend themselves?


Well said. [Beer]

[SA Friday]

That's kinda the Cruz of the thread ODP. According to the current laws, if you do have mmj or a mmj card, and you have a firearm you are not a law abiding citizen under federal law. Same situations with a ccw, and you a violation of the state law.

Freedom doesn't equate to getting to do whatever you want, it equates to limited infringement on citizens. Limited... We are still a country bound and ruled by laws.

[Ronin13]

That's kinda the Cruz of the thread ODP. According to the current laws, if you do have mmj or a mmj card, and you have a firearm you are not a law abiding citizen under federal law. Same situations with a ccw, and you a violation of the state law.

Freedom doesn't equate to getting to do whatever you want, it equates to limited infringement on citizens. Limited... We are still a country bound and ruled by laws.

So what you're saying is, if I'm in possession of a firearm, and have my MMJ card (which I do not have, but let's say for this little scenario I do) I'm violating state law, even if MMJ is legal on a state level?

[DANGERTASTIC!]

I dont think youre exempt from federal law just because youre a MMJ card holder.

A risk of a felony is good motivation to make some calls

[Ronin13]

While true danger, but a lot of cases involving MMJ cards in CO- and there have been countless news stories about this- the police are only enforcing state statutes and not going through the long, arduous, fuck your life over process of detaining and filing federal charges against someone for having a bag of freaking pot... I think a more pressing issue would be the guy with the confederate flag in his back window and his truck bed full of amonium nitrate and a bag full of blasting caps in his front seat singing "Down with da gubment."

[cofi]

i know someone who owned a dispensery up in denver and was legally transporting pot to sell to another dispensery he is also a legal ccw permit holder he gets pulled over lets the leo he is carrying both pot and a gun showed all his permits for both and is now looking at 8-48 years :(

[DANGERTASTIC!]

i know someone who owned a dispensery up in denver and was legally transporting pot to sell to another dispensery he is also a legal ccw permit holder he gets pulled over lets the leo he is carrying both pot and a gun showed all his permits for both and is now looking at 8-48 years :(


Thats exactly my point.

WHY risk that.

Drugs and GUNS do not mix.


Its either one or the other.

[Ronin13]

Thats exactly my point.

WHY risk that.

Drugs and GUNS do not mix.


Its either one or the other.

Or, for those that don't want to make that choice, always remember "I do not consent to any illegal searches."

[SA Friday]

So what you're saying is, if I'm in possession of a firearm, and have my MMJ card (which I do not have, but let's say for this little scenario I do) I'm violating state law, even if MMJ is legal on a state level?

As the CO ccw law is written now? Yes, I think that case could be made by a DA pretty easy. It's not simply, law says I can carry a gun and the other law says I can get permission for mmj, therefore I can do both. The ccw law is fairly clear in this area.

I suspended more than one Fed back in the day from carrying their duty weapon because they were on mind altering medications. They have a card for a mind altering drug, and it's essentially permanent for most folks. Then, no more ccw. One cant do both based on how the current laws are written. IMO, you shouldn't be able to either.

[DANGERTASTIC!]

While true danger, but a lot of cases involving MMJ cards in CO- and there have been countless news stories about this- the police are only enforcing state statutes and not going through the long, arduous, fuck your life over process of detaining and filing federal charges against someone for having a bag of freaking pot... I think a more pressing issue would be the guy with the confederate flag in his back window and his truck bed full of amonium nitrate and a bag full of blasting caps in his front seat singing "Down with da gubment."

I can understand where youre coming from. But lets just look at the repurcussions for someone trying to show his case after he shoots someone while wasted. Like I said, the prosecuter would have a field day and it would be a media circus.

Not to mention if he actually WON his case, the doors it would open for potheads everywhere to carry guns and drugs.

Drug dealers could LITERALLY drive around with guns AND their drugs.

Thats like saying that alchoholics are allowed to operate vehicles as long as they had a "Special license" saying they can consume "X" amount of alcohol before they are illegal to drive

[Ronin13]

I can understand where youre coming from. But lets just look at the repurcussions for someone trying to show his case after he shoots someone while wasted. Like I said, the prosecuter would have a field day and it would be a media circus.

Not to mention if he actually WON his case, the doors it would open for potheads everywhere to carry guns and drugs.

Drug dealers could LITERALLY drive around with guns AND their drugs.

Thats like saying that alchoholics are allowed to operate vehicles as long as they had a "Special license" saying they can consume "X" amount of alcohol before they are illegal to drive

True. Although my MMJ card friends are kinda hippy and don't own guns, but I think driving under the influence of marijuana should be the same as under the influence of alcohol- mandatory suspension of DL, arrest, court, etc.

[OneGuy67]

I have a feeling this is inaccurate. How can a Sheriff's dept issue a MEDICAL prescription? I believe the doctor can do that, but LE has nothing to do with medicine... That'd be like your Sheriff giving you prescriptions to Vicodin, clearly not the case.


He is incorrect and so are you. Your doctor does not issue you a prescription for marijuana, he issues you a recommendation only. With that recommendation, you can get your card. The card is issued by the state agency, Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment.

[OneGuy67]

Medical Marijuana Registry Program Update


(as of July 31, 2011)

In the November 2000 general election, Coloradoans passed Amendment 20, and the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment (CDPHE) was tasked with implementing and administering the Medical Marijuana Registry program. In March of 2001, the State of Colorado Board of Health approved the Rules and Regulations pertaining to the administration of the program, and on June 1st, 2001, the Registry began accepting and processing applications for Registry Identification cards.

Statistics of the registry include:

151,025 new patient applications have been received to date since the registry began operating in June 2001. The total number of patients who currently possess valid Registry ID cards is 127,816.
Sixty-eight percent of approved applicants are male.
The average age of all patients is 41. Currently forty-five patients are minors (under the age of 18).
Fifty-six percent of patients reside in the Denver-metro area (Adams, Arapahoe, Boulder, Broomfield, Denver, Douglas & Jefferson counties), with the remainder of patients residing in counties throughout Colorado.
Patients on the registry represent all the debilitating conditions covered under Amendment 20. Severe pain accounts for 94 percent of all reported conditions; muscle spasms account for the second-most reported condition at 19 percent. Note that percentages do not add up to 100 percent because some patients have more than one condition.
Sixty-six percent of patients have designated a primary care-giver (someone who has significant responsibility for managing the care of a patient with a debilitating medical condition).
More than 1,100 different physicians have signed for patients in Colorado.

[alxone]

ok so im kinda confused here . can the dopers even own guns or they just cant cc? cause it would seem really silly to give up your second for drugs .imho

[Elhuero]

Thats exactly my point.

WHY risk that.

Drugs and GUNS do not mix.


Its either one or the other.


I disagree.

invasive, permit demanding government and freedom don't mix.

[DANGERTASTIC!]

ok so im kinda confused here . can the dopers even own guns or they just cant cc? cause it would seem really silly to give up your second for drugs .imho

They cant own them

[alxone]

They cant own themthats what i figured . but more than once this year i have smelled it at the gun show . i just wonder why risk it ? i guess it really effects peoples judgment so much so that they will bring there stinky drugs the gun show . but then it might not be the drugs , people seem to be getting dumber every day . hell i had a guy get turned down for a gun sale so he sends his girlfriend over less than 10 minutes later . maybe its something in the water

[SAnd]

They cant own them

I'm gonna split hairs here...

They can't posses them. Ownership doesn't matter. They can't have one in their hand or control.

[DANGERTASTIC!]

I'm gonna split hairs here...

They can't posses them. Ownership doesn't matter. They can't have one in their hand or control.


Lol Youre right youre right.

[DANGERTASTIC!]

thats what i figured . but more than once this year i have smelled it at the gun show . i just wonder why risk it ? i guess it really effects peoples judgment so much so that they will bring there stinky drugs the gun show . but then it might not be the drugs , people seem to be getting dumber every day . hell i had a guy get turned down for a gun sale so he sends his girlfriend over less than 10 minutes later . maybe its something in the water


That reminds me of buying cigarettes when I was 15.

You get turned down then ask the next guy to buy them lol

[jerrymrc]

ok so im kinda confused here . can the dopers even own guns or they just cant cc? cause it would seem really silly to give up your second for drugs .imho


I look at it this way. You want to swim in the big pool then you are a big boy and abide by all the rules both fed and state.

You want to play the MMJ card and you get put to the kiddy pool where ya can't swim and all you can do is splash around and look stupid.

Until the laws change the fact that the state may say one thing is not a reason to dis the feds. We have fought this on the flip side by states/citys having gun bans that are not in line with the fed and we have won some of those. Think about it that way and it becomes clear.

[DD977GM2]

The ATF considers you ineligble for owning firearms if you have a MMJ card.

http://www.nssf.org/share/PDF/ATFOpenLetter092111.pdf

ETA: SAnd already beat me to the link from the ATF

[DD977GM2]

Thanks everyone! I gave my buddy a link to this thread. Can anyone answer this question?

[ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3][LOL]

Be sure al-x that your not drinking your own kool-aid [Tooth]
Just messin with ya al-x.

[Lex_Luthor]

I make the BEST al-x flavored kool aid!

[ShooterJM]

We have fought this on the flip side by states/citys having gun bans that are not in line with the fed and we have won some of those. Think about it that way and it becomes clear.


Let me say this first, I think that trying to have both is dangerous and a terrible idea.


I would like to say that, in my opinion, there's a difference in the two arguments though. One issue is an encroachment of constitutional rights by a state/city while the other is more a policy issue as it's not an enumeratated power.

(Doesn't matter to me one way or another, I'm on base 90% of the time anyway [Beer])

[cfortune]

I'm confused how they can prove you're a habitual user. How do they know someone didn't take their doctors advice to try it and hated it? That's almost like calling someone an alcoholic for going out and drinking on their 21st birthday.

[jerrymrc]

Let me say this first, I think that trying to have both is dangerous and a terrible idea.


I would like to say that, in my opinion, there's a difference in the two arguments though. One issue is an encroachment of constitutional rights by a state/city while the other is more a policy issue as it's not an enumeratated power.

(Doesn't matter to me one way or another, I'm on base 90% of the time anyway [Beer])

Me too. Well, about 50 and when I am not on I am only a couple of blocks away. [Coffee]

[glockedandloaded]

I can understand where youre coming from. But lets just look at the repurcussions for someone trying to show his case after he shoots someone while wasted. Like I said, the prosecuter would have a field day and it would be a media circus.

Not to mention if he actually WON his case, the doors it would open for potheads everywhere to carry guns and drugs.

Drug dealers could LITERALLY drive around with guns AND their drugs.

Thats like saying that alchoholics are allowed to operate vehicles as long as they had a "Special license" saying they can consume "X" amount of alcohol before they are illegal to drive
ummm they do this anyway.

[Irving]

i know someone who owned a dispensery up in denver and was legally transporting pot to sell to another dispensery he is also a legal ccw permit holder he gets pulled over lets the leo he is carrying both pot and a gun showed all his permits for both and is now looking at 8-48 years :(

I've seen armed guards when I've delivered to dispensaries before. There must be a difference between guarding it and delivering it.



Thats like saying that alchoholics are allowed to operate vehicles as long as they had a "Special license" saying they can consume "X" amount of alcohol before they are illegal to drive

Ummm, that's EXACTLY how the law is now, only you don't need a special license.

[Great-Kazoo]

Interesting all the talk about being "wasted" and needing to use deadly force to stop a threat. How many alky's and prescription pill poppers have done the same, or think nothing of carrying while on pain meds? The different standards according to out dated beliefs and laws need to be reviewed. Once i received my CCW 16 years ago i no longer touched alcohol while ccw'ing, how many of you do the same? I understand the casual drinkers who have a beer or cocktail to unwind, Yet i see here and other gun boards the post of who else is drinking tonight? How many of those would not hesitate to grab their HD firearm if they heard a noise outside?
I don't care one way or the other who does what with their life and how they live it. I know more alky's than dopers. the dopers i do know you would be hard pressed to have even a hint they use. The alkys, well, they are in a league of their own.

[Ronin13]

Interesting all the talk about being "wasted" and needing to use deadly force to stop a threat. How many alky's and prescription pill poppers have done the same, or think nothing of carrying while on pain meds? The different standards according to out dated beliefs and laws need to be reviewed. Once i received my CCW 16 years ago i no longer touched alcohol while ccw'ing, how many of you do the same? I understand the casual drinkers who have a beer or cocktail to unwind, Yet i see here and other gun boards the post of who else is drinking tonight? How many of those would not hesitate to grab their HD firearm if they heard a noise outside?
I don't care one way or the other who does what with their life and how they live it. I know more alky's than dopers. the dopers i do know you would be hard pressed to have even a hint they use. The alkys, well, they are in a league of their own.

Jim, this does bring to question- you get in trouble when you are out drunk carrying, but you get drunk at home with all these guns in easy reach... how is it really different?

[TFOGGER]

Jim, this does bring to question- you get in trouble when you are out drunk carrying, but you get drunk at home with all these guns in easy reach... how is it really different?

2 words make the difference: At Home. The standards for self defense are significantly different in your home vs. outside the home. That being said, it's entirely possible that if you are "under the influence" at home, and are involved in a shooting, you MAY be opening a door to prosecution that might not otherwise exist.

[MIKEONE]

AWW MAN!! So this means *[Ban3]*Wild Willy's Weed and Dangerous Weapons*[Ban3]* is not going to open on east Colfax now? ;]

All kidding aside, I have been wondering what would happen when these two issues came together.

I know people that have both and never understood HOW?

[StagLefty]

I think it was Peter Boyle's talk show yesterday that discussed the fact that if you have an MMJ card you can't buy a gun from a dealer-that's according to the ATF.

[Great-Kazoo]

AWW MAN!! So this means *[Ban3]*Wild Willy's Weed and Dangerous Weapons*[Ban3]* is not going to open on east Colfax now? ;]

All kidding aside, I have been wondering what would happen when these two issues came together.

I know people that have both and never understood HOW?

And i know pill heads and drunks that do both.
The .gov keeps running based upon legislation. The legislatures must come up with new and unique ways to legislate, that's the only way they keep their jobs (job security) until the next election either gets them tossed or business as usual.
I look at the fed issues of MMJ like the AWB of 94. mass hysteria, the media and emotion shoved it down our throats. We the gun owner were not even given a reach around:(
MMJ does help those who truly need it, while the amount of teen-mid 20 somethings who posses the card should be scrutinized for legitimacy.
In this area i know 3 people, not gun owners who have the card. ages range from 28-63, all of them have some illness that use of "weed" does help them get by. The 28 yr old is going on round #3 of chemo.
IF She's dealing with a stalker or predator why should she have to face possible federal punishment protecting herself with a gun?

It will be interesting how the ATF / MMJ investigations shake out.

Slightly OT.
Remember the commercials against MJ Where did they go to, after their brief run on TV?

Trunk closes on a stack of AK's as a young voice says. " I purchased some MJ . I just help a terrorist buy guns"
SERIOUSLY?? The ad's bombed as NDC realized the propaganda was not only failing to sway opinion, they were blatant lies.
After all, we all know, it is the skateboarding Dude and not the ATF supplying guns south of the border
Propaganda and Hysteria, helping governments maintain control for centuries

[glockedandloaded]

this thread really"Weeds" out the Libertarians from the republicans and democrats

[Ronin13]

And i know pill heads and drunks that do both.
The .gov keeps running based upon legislation. The legislatures must come up with new and unique ways to legislate, that's the only way they keep their jobs (job security) until the next election either gets them tossed or business as usual.
I look at the fed issues of MMJ like the AWB of 94. mass hysteria, the media and emotion shoved it down our throats. We the gun owner were not even given a reach around:(
MMJ does help those who truly need it, while the amount of teen-mid 20 somethings who posses the card should be scrutinized for legitimacy.
In this area i know 3 people, not gun owners who have the card. ages range from 28-63, all of them have some illness that use of "weed" does help them get by. The 28 yr old is going on round #3 of chemo.
IF She's dealing with a stalker or predator why should she have to face possible federal punishment protecting herself with a gun?

It will be interesting how the ATF / MMJ investigations shake out.

Slightly OT.
Remember the commercials against MJ Where did they go to, after their brief run on TV?

Trunk closes on a stack of AK's as a young voice says. " I purchased some MJ . I just help a terrorist buy guns"
SERIOUSLY?? The ad's bombed as NDC realized the propaganda was not only failing to sway opinion, they were blatant lies.
After all, we all know, it is the skateboarding Dude and not the ATF supplying guns south of the border
Propaganda and Hysteria, helping governments maintain control for centuries

In Colorado the average age of an MMJ card holder is... not 20-30... nope, 41! I've done the self testing (yes I broke the law a bit) but my PTSD and Anxiety (a mild annoying /sarcasm side effect from serving in Afghanistan) is not cured by the pills the VA gives me, or by the counseling from a therapist but is eased SUBSTANTIALLY by Tetrahydrocannabinol (or THC the "drug" in cannabis). And yes I've even tried synthetic THC and it works for all of maybe 30min and then makes me feel like utter crap. Whereas a spliff (a cigarette with MJ mixed in with the tobacco) works wonders- something about the nicotine and THC blend calms me down from my rage, stops the anxious tendencies cold, and chills me out so I'm not all hyper alert and always on guard. And for the record, I sleep within 5 feet of two rifles and two pistols, and thus far nothing bad has happened. I refuse to drive or do anything else under the influence- I keep my happy ass at home and watch tv. Only because it's still a federal offence and I can't risk it I refuse to get my MMJ card. So please tell me how I'm a criminal? I haven't smoked in weeks and really the desire to is waning but on occasion I get the urge to get some and medicate- because lately I've been needing a release and alcohol is too dangerous to do that!

[ChadAmberg]

this thread really"Weeds" out the Libertarians from the republicans and democrats

It does, but there are 2 threads going on here.

One is debating should MJ users (medical or not) be allowed to possess (legal term) firearms. That's the libertarian vs authoritarian argument here...

The second is confirming that according to the ATF's interpretation, MJ users cannot possess firearms.

[Byte Stryke]

In Colorado the average age of an MMJ card holder is... not 20-30... nope, 41! I've done the self testing (yes I broke the law a bit) but my PTSD and Anxiety (a mild annoying /sarcasm side effect from serving in Afghanistan) is not cured by the pills the VA gives me, or by the counseling from a therapist but is eased SUBSTANTIALLY by Tetrahydrocannabinol (or THC the "drug" in cannabis). And yes I've even tried synthetic THC and it works for all of maybe 30min and then makes me feel like utter crap. Whereas a spliff (a cigarette with MJ mixed in with the tobacco) works wonders- something about the nicotine and THC blend calms me down from my rage, stops the anxious tendencies cold, and chills me out so I'm not all hyper alert and always on guard. And for the record, I sleep within 5 feet of two rifles and two pistols, and thus far nothing bad has happened. I refuse to drive or do anything else under the influence- I keep my happy ass at home and watch tv. Only because it's still a federal offence and I can't risk it I refuse to get my MMJ card. So please tell me how I'm a criminal? I haven't smoked in weeks and really the desire to is waning but on occasion I get the urge to get some and medicate- because lately I've been needing a release and alcohol is too dangerous to do that!


this is the problem with legislation.
to every rule, there is an exception and to every exception there is a rule.
so eventually you need a team of lawyers to do anything.

[Ronin13]

this is the problem with legislation.
to every rule, there is an exception and to every exception there is a rule.
so eventually you need a team of lawyers to do anything.

I hear you! It's getting to the point where I need a grand jury's approval just to take a piss! TJ once said "I fear that one day government could get too big that it would legislate it's people into bondage."

[Great-Kazoo]

Ronin

i don't think or feel you are a criminal, nor do i condemn anyone who chooses what works best for them pain management wise. MM works for a lot of folks who cannot do or tolerate pain meds. I feel the feds should mind their own business, worry about illegal's, terrorist (foreign & domestic) and stay the fuck out of the peoples private lives.
Congress is now looking in to forming a panel to deal with HGH or some other shit. We have an out of control budget and they are worried if some one is juicing before a sports competition???

You served this country and face the potential loose of gun ownership, yet the child molester is walking the streets.

Smoke a joint go to Jail
Molest a kid Out on bail

[cfortune]

Does anyone know if having a MMJ card at one point but not having an active one has any repercussions?

A guy I work with has some pretty serious back problems and got his MMJ card last year. There were a bunch of break-ins in his neighborhood recently and he came to talk to me about what caliber or type of gun makes a good HD weapon.

I told him he couldn't buy a gun due to his choice of pain relievers and he then told me his card actually expired in August and he didn't plan on renewing. Apparently he has no other prescriptions for pain because he said opiates make him really nauseous, hence trying out the MMJ thing, which he said made him feel paranoid and not himself.

[Scanker19]

When joining the Military, I was filling out the forms. My recruiter before i started told me YES- Your Enlistment Stops. NO- Numerous Opportunities. [Flower]

[Scanker19]

On the actual subject though, it seems that It would be the same as having a lot of Schedule II pain meds prescribed. Everyone acts if you have MM you are stoned all the time. Maybe most are? Its no different to ME than if you drink, or take Pain Meds from a bottle.

[Great-Kazoo]

On the actual subject though, it seems that It would be the same as having a lot of Schedule II pain meds prescribed. Everyone acts if you have MM you are stoned all the time. Maybe most are? Its no different to ME than if you drink, or take Pain Meds from a bottle.

100% correct. Oxycotin is good and legal. MMJ is the devils work, just like civilian copies of assault weapons have no useful purpose. Opinions here as on other gun boards span the spectrum regarding mmj as "lock them up and throw away the key-if it helps then good for you"
When in reality the anti-mmj crowd is as rabid about use of medical mmj as the anti's are regarding ownership of any guns. YMMV.

[Byte Stryke]

personally, I am all about the "personal responsibility" stance.

you want to puff and carry? no prob... but I feel if you screw up, your ass is done, I don't mean 5-10, I mean the end of a rope.
to clarify, I feel the same for ANY Medicinal or recreational drug.

Much like these shitheads that go up for their 4th and 5th DUI, why are they not in prison being someones sex toy?
Kill someone while DUI? Put this around your neck and take one large step forward please.

I Seriously tire of the coddling of criminals in this country.
And no, I don't mean the "oops I was going a tad fast." Crimes...

[rmarmory]

I would not want to carry if I was a cardholder

[SuperiorDG]

"ATF say medical-marijuana patients are prohibited from owning guns" DP (http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_19026921)

[Eggysrun]

http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/222690/346/Medical-marijuana-users-denied-firearms-


DENVER (AP) - The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is warning gun dealers that it is illegal for medical-marijuana patients to buy firearms.

The agency sent out a letter Sept. 21 that says marijuana use is still barred by federal law, even though it has been approved for medical use in Colorado.

According to the Denver Post (http://bit.ly/n66aZ5), people who use medical marijuana are required to declare it on their applications to buy firearms.

Advocates say it's another attack on state medical-marijuana programs. Earlier this year, the Justice Department warned dispensaries they could face federal prosecution.

[Eggysrun]

Why was my thread moved? This article is about having ANY guns at all, not a CCW issue.

[SuperiorDG]

Why was my thread moved? This article is about having ANY guns at all, not a CCW issue.

Well if can't have a gun then I think the CCW issue is a no brainier.

[Mtn.man]

Your either a stoner or a 2nd amendment supporter.
I really have no use for the so called MMJ heads stupid reasons for getting a card unless you are going thru chemo, I live in pain 24/7 and just accept that it ain't going away.

[StagLefty]

No matter what those card carriers do with their sights they're always hitting "high" [ROFL1]

[SideShow Bob]

The above mentioned articles on this subject clearly states that the ATF's clarification is that you cannot buy a firearm if you have a MM card, it did not say that you cannot own a firearm.
So if you had a firearm before you got your medical weed card, you are OK. But you cannot buy another firearm.
I guess I will have to ask potential buyers if they have a MM card before selling anything from now on. Firearms that is...

[BigBear]

Your either a stoner or a 2nd amendment supporter.
I really have no use for the so called MMJ heads stupid reasons for getting a card unless you are going thru chemo, I live in pain 24/7 and just accept that it ain't going away.


I'm going to have to "+1" this statement. It's my personal beliefs/sentiments as well. No matter whether it's legal or not, whether it's a gateway drug or not, or whether it truly gets you high or not.... The bottom line is that (for now) MMJ is a FEDERAL illegal substance. To buy a firearm, you must declare yourself "drug free". I don't see where the disconnect is to where some of y'all are trying to argue your points or find a way to beat the system hiding under false pretenses. Some of y'all know, some don't, but I was in a killer car wreck (pun intended) in high school and have debilitating knee/back/neck problems ever since. A LOT of people said I could get on disability, ride the system, not have to work, etc... but that is complete BULL@%#$. I was raised to where if I don't work, I don't eat. I think a lot of "pain" people go through is because they are f'ing pussies.

Rant over....
I'm not trying to pat myself on the back. I'm just saying I don't get the "I stubbed my toe and now need five years worth of rehab and MMJ".

This rant was not a personal attack on anyone in particular, just some thoughts I was having.

[SideShow Bob]

I was not trying to justify anything, just stating the facts of the article, since they got twisted into a cannot own falsehood.
I also I am also against the quasi legalized weed. Most of the card holders got them just so they can burn a fatty and not go to jail. If they were to suffer real chronic pain they would be crying for morphine.

[cfortune]

If they were to suffer real chronic pain they would be crying for morphine.


I agree. I've smoked pot a few times, never really cared for it (actually I hated it. I talked to my mom the first time I got high in high school and almost shit my pants. She had her hands on my shoulders and was looking at me square in the face, yelling at me for having friends over without permission. I thought my head was going to explode).

I remember when this whole thing started getting big and thinking "How does that work? Its nothing like even taking a Vicodin and people who have reoccurring Oxycontin prescriptions are supposedly switching over to it?"

Not to mention you can buy two ounces a day... That is just out of control. You don't see people walking into Walgreen's and saying "Let me get 100 percocets". Anyone buying that much stuff isn't just getting high with it in their parents basement.

[Irving]

So if you had a firearm before you got your medical weed card, you are OK. But you cannot buy another firearm.
.
From an FFL.


I hate this topic.

[Lex_Luthor]

MMJ aside, here's what I pulled from the information packet from Adams County website.


18-12-202.3 "Chronically and habitually uses alcoholic beverages to the extent that the applicant's normal faculties are impaired" Means:

(a) The applicant has at any time been committed as an alcoholic pursuant to section 25-1-310 or 25-1-311, c.r.s.; or
(b) Within the ten-year period immediately preceding the date on which the permit application is submitted, the applicant:
(I) Has been committed as an alcoholic pursuant to section 25-1-308 or 25-1-309, c.r.s.; or
(II) Ha had two or more alcohol-related convictions under section 42-4-1301 (1) or (2), c.r.s. or a law of another state that has similar elements, or revocation related to misdmeanor, alcohol-related convictions under section 42-2-126, c.r.s., or a law of another state that has similar elements.

So, based off what's outlined here concerning alcohol, this talks about denial of one's CHP if the applicant has been committed as an alcoholic or has been convicted of two or more alcohol-related violations. So, even a person who 'chronically and habitually' uses alcohol by any one of our interpretations of those words, is technically not forbidden their CHP unless they're committed or caught, as defined by the State.

[Ronin13]

"ATF say medical-marijuana patients are prohibited from owning guns" DP (http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_19026921)


But according to Brian Vicente of Sensible Colorado, this is always good advice right here on that pesky thing that .gov hates... PRIVACY:

"Just because you become a patient doesn't mean the government will deny you a gun," he stresses. "When you become a patient, you're on a confidential list, and it's a violation for the government to give up that list to other wings of the government. So there is not a patient-no-gun list. The only way it will come up is through self-disclosure or a pending criminal case where police become aware of it. But I don't think there's necessarily more of a risk than a patient simply possessing medical marijuana, which is protected under state law but not federal law."

I really have been considering joining this fight (for the good side, not the sieg heil side) and petitioning and writing my congress to de-criminalize MMJ at a federal level... not because I advocate pot-smokers and their continuing their habits, but because there is soo much scientific data out there that proves it's use and effectiveness with patients of certain diseases and illness/injury. And if you'd deny a patient medicine that works (and really does very little harm, if any to them, and absolutely no harm to you and me) then you should just change your name to Herr Himmler and lace those jack boots up brother! Would you deny a manic-depressive their daily dose of anti-depressants?

[ghettodub]

People should just be able to smoke weed. People should be able to buy guns even if they have a MMJ card. It should be like alcohol. Drunks buying guns is worse than a stoner.

That's all. Nothing else to the issue in my book.

[Delfuego]

(for the good side, not the sieg heil side)Love this line!

Drunks buying guns is worse than a stoner.Ahhh yeh! Truth hurts, I bet there are a bunch of Drunk-ass' (likely on this thread) with home arsenals.

Who gives a shit? You guys are always saying how "Libertarian" you are. Get over it! Most MMJ cards are a joke; they're for people who dont want to be criminalized for recreational use. Go home after work and have a scotch or a joint, who are you hurting?

FYI: I don't smoke, and alcohol destroys more lives than all the other drugs combined...

[ghettodub]

FYI: I don't smoke, and alcohol destroys more lives than all the other drugs combined...

sho nuff. it almost destroyed mine

[Great-Kazoo]

glad to see you were posting from your phone. i figured you had a few ATF approved cocktails after lunch and were just ramblin:)
All thumbs?

[Ronin13]

[MOD] This is pm stuff guys. I'm all for vigorous debate, but this goes into the personal realm.

[Ronin13]

I wholeheartedly agree. I know people who smoke pretty much from the time they wake up to the time they go to bed... they just do it because they can. I'm all for using the medicine that works well... just like industrial hemp (currently illegal because of the BS prohibition) could benefit our economy, society, and US manufacturing industry. It's 400% more cost effective than a lot of current manuf. businesses (such as rope, cloth, and construction materials like roofing and siding).

[275RLTW]

no one is stopping anyone from medcating....just don't carry or have gun present when doing it. PERIOD. I thought this was common sense?

[Elhuero]

intrusive government is intrusive.

of all the things that obama's executive branch will decriminalize, this won't be one.

why?

because conservatives own guns.

if it were the other way around, then the BATFE would be called off.

like ICE has been.

[Byte Stryke]

Love this line!
Ahhh yeh! Truth hurts, I bet there are a bunch of Drunk-ass' (likely on this thread) with home arsenals.

Who gives a shit? You guys are always saying how "Libertarian" you are. Get over it! Most MMJ cards are a joke; they're for people who dont want to be criminalized for recreational use. Go home after work and have a scotch or a joint, who are you hurting?

FYI: I don't smoke, and alcohol destroys more lives than all the other drugs combined...



QFT

you wont find any (consumption) alcohol in my house.
I do not permit the use/possession of federally controlled substances in my home.
If I do go out for a beer, the sidearms are locked up.


The last thing I want is a mistake on my conscience because I was off-kilter.


Anyone else think its "ironical" that we show our Drivers licences to buy booze?

[Lex_Luthor]

Yeah I definitely do. The classic drive-thru liquor store, showing your DL as you purchase your alcohol.

[cfortune]

QFT

you wont find any (consumption) alcohol in my house.
I do not permit the use/possession of federally controlled substances in my home.
If I do go out for a beer, the sidearms are locked up.


The last thing I want is a mistake on my conscience because I was off-kilter.


Anyone else think its "ironical" that we show our Drivers licences to buy booze?


What's even worse, some places (such as Bar Louie in Westminster), will not accept state issued ID's or passports for drinks. They ONLY accept drivers licenses. You have to be a potential DUI candidate to drink there.




Yeah I definitely do. The classic drive-thru liquor store, showing your DL as you purchase your alcohol.

Up until a few years ago in Wyoming, you could get a mixed drink at a drive through liquor store in a red party cup.

[Subrwho]

I've found this thread quite interesting to say the least.

Let me start by saying your mmj card is valid for 1 year. So all this talk of if you have a mmj license you can never get a ccw is crap.

I currently have my card and I quit using marijuana. I don't drink ever. Who's gonna tell me I can't have my ccw? Mabey some mabey none but the only word that matters is the sheriff's

I think if you have your mmj card and use mmj then don't get your ccw. But who's to say if you stop using mmj that you can't get a ccw?

Any how you can't believe all you hear or see.

If I state an untrue fact at work to a coworker and tell them to look it up at home to see if its true , and I beat them home and put it on the Internet it becomes true
I win.

So to base facts on nothing or on what the web tells us is silly to say the least.


Off topic ... Do you need to do a shooting test to get your ccw if you have your certification? Thx

Be safe

[Subrwho]

Oh another little story ...

I went shooting with a friend who had his med card and so did I , we hadn't smoked at all but he had a pipe in the car with older bud in it that he smoked the day before.

The sheriff got a 911 call for shots fired ( we were shooting in the mountains) and the deputies pulled us over , I had a shot gun 2 ak's and 2 pistols. They pulled us out of the car at gun point. We told them we were shooting and being responsible . They ran a check on all of us as we'll as my firearms and we told them about the pipe and both said " that's the least of our worries" after everything checked out they said have a great day, be safe . We drove off .

[SideShow Bob]

You ought to check the date of the last post of a thread before digging up a Zombie thread........... Must have gotten smoke in your eyes, huh ?.......[LOL]

[Subrwho]

Lol thought it said 2012 good lord sorry about that, may I be struck by lightning for posting in such an old thread

[Delfuego]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24363546.jpg

Welcome to the forum. Are these really gonna be you first 2 posts???

[SideShow Bob]

No lightning, the MODs will just extend your probationary period by 3 months, see the must read rules in the stuck on you section...........










Just kidding...

[Subrwho]

Thanks, I just found the headline on google n didn't realize it had said 2011. I'm mainly curious about the colorado shooting test for your ccw. Everywhere says its no required but instructors say it is... I've got my certification but have not done a " shooting test" .... Boulder county. Sorry to be a forum newb I'm not an Internet type of person

[SideShow Bob]

Please DO NOT ASK ABOUT WAIT TIMES FOR CCWs just use the search function and read the latest threads on that topic.
As gar as a shooting qualification test only if was required in your cert. class and your instructor has to be certified and recognized by the state of CO.