View Full Version : Is "victim" really an appropriate title?
Saw this on 9news' website today... a 35 year-old married woman and football team booster is accused of having sex with a 17-year old football player. I wouldn't say the kid is a victim... C'mon, you have a 35-year-old woman get physical with you 3 or 4 times you are lucky at that age! She cites "loneliness" as the reasoning for her actions. Neighbors disagree, as they say "Kids were always over there, it looked like a fun household, not lonely." I don't think that's the kind of lonely she was referring to. [Bang]
Thoughts?
http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1174971003001&odyssey=mod|tvideo|video
Colorado_Outback
09-27-2011, 14:31
Thoughts?
I think she should be charged the same as if the genders were reversed.
I think she should be charged the same as if the genders were reversed.as much as i would have liked if it happened to me , i have to agree 100% .
akumadiavolo
09-27-2011, 14:48
17? To me that is fine. If it were 13-14 it's not, but at 17 you should be fully aware of the consequences of sexual activity. I don't really understand the magical barrier that 18 is supposed to be. I never knew any 18 year olds I would consider vastly more mature and responsible decision makers than 17 year olds.
Man, if I'd been getting some skull from some mom at the age of 17, I'd have been the happiest kid in school! She may be an ugly one, but knobbin' is knobbin', he wasn't going to marry her. Yes, it's illegal and she should be punished, etc., but calling the kid a victim? I'd call him a lucky s.o.b.
Colorado_Outback
09-27-2011, 14:59
as much as i would have liked if it happened to me , i have to agree 100% .
Im just tired of the double standard in this area, if the genders were reversed the accused would be looking at a much more serious charge than this chick is going to end up with. Its BS.
Man, if I'd been getting some skull from some mom at the age of 17, I'd have been the happiest kid in school! She may be an ugly one, but knobbin' is knobbin', he wasn't going to marry her. Yes, it's illegal and she should be punished, etc., but calling the kid a victim? I'd call him a lucky s.o.b.
That's the point I was getting at... and a bit of confusion comes out of this.
So a 15 year old packs a gun into his backpack and goes over to the park where some kids he doesn't like are playing, he shoots them dead- fully aware of his actions- and is put on trial where it is decided he be tried as an adult for 1st degree murder. But in this case, an older woman is banging a younger boy who is 17, yet he is still a child and she's the one who becomes the "suspect." I scratch my head on this one...
Im just tired of the double standard in this area, if the genders were reversed the accused would be looking at a much more serious charge than this chick is going to end up with. Its BS.couldn't agree more . if it were a man it would be considered rape until the second she turned 18 . the media would raise hell and he would have the book thrown at him .
Oh yeah, having sex with kids ain't right, any way ya look at it. I'm just saying that if I was a 17 y.o. boy and was getting hummers from a 35 y.o. woman, I'd think I'd died and gone to heaven. I sure wouldn't think I was being victimized.
relichunter
09-27-2011, 16:09
I'd have a problem with a 35 year old having sex with my kid whether the child was 18 or 17 and it wouldn't matter if the genders were reversed. Either way there is a huge maturity and cognitive gap.
Inspector Fowler
09-27-2011, 16:22
It should be pointed out that a 35 year old and a 17 year old can have sex in this state if the 35 year old is not "in a position of trust". I dunno what, exactly, her position with the school district was, but it may put her into that category. It's a weird distinction, but there it is.
I realize this happened in another state so their laws may be different, but 35 vs 17 is fine under most conditions in CO.
I'd have a problem with a 35 year old having sex with my kid whether the child was 18 or 17 and it wouldn't matter if the genders were reversed. Either way there is a huge maturity and cognitive gap.
Some of the comments seem a bit pathetic or at least removed from the actual issue.
And there is the problem... we're so obsessed with treating our children just like that- like children. No one weighs in on the "child's" perspective until they're 18. I don't want to sound like an Obama supporter, but in some ways that's where Europe can really thumb their noses at us, our maturity. "Oh god! Boobs on TV! We can't have that!" "Oh you have to be 21 to drink! I don't care if you are as mature as a 30 year old and signed a contract dedicating the next 30 years of your life to military service." I could go on.... Maybe if we gave our youth some more responsibility and stopped coddling them they would go out there into the world shooting colleges up, or becoming full blown alcoholics before reaching legal drinking age, or even selling meth on the corner. Parents wonder why their kids go nuts after they gain freedom, it's because you shelter them too much and they're forced to go out into the world with no real preparation. Huge cognitive difference between a 17 and 35 year old, but it's not much different if they were 18 and 36... Males reach sexual peak in their early 20's, women it's late 30's early 40's. And the physical difference is really not that much. So tell me, how are these responses pathetic and removed from the issue? Because we kid about how at 17 we would have been lucky to have a 35 year old buck fuddy? I fail to see how 16/17 is much different in maturity than 18. Just because they say once you reach a certain age you're responsible to take on the responsibilities of life? C'mon. Just because you've reached X age you can handle the responsibility of consuming alcohol.... Give me a break. If you really believe that I've got some great beachfront property in Nebraska I'll sell cheap!
Colorado_Outback
09-27-2011, 16:28
But in this case, an older woman is banging a younger boy who is 17, yet he is still a child and she's the one who becomes the "suspect." I scratch my head on this one...
Why would he(the minor) be the "suspect"?
OneGuy67
09-27-2011, 16:36
It should be pointed out that a 35 year old and a 17 year old can have sex in this state if the 35 year old is not "in a position of trust". I dunno what, exactly, her position with the school district was, but it may put her into that category. It's a weird distinction, but there it is.
I realize this happened in another state so their laws may be different, but 35 vs 17 is fine under most conditions in CO.
Negative. They legally cannot. She is 10 years his senior. The 15-17 age bracket has a check and balance of no more than four years their senior for legality.
**I deleted the last line. It was out of line and character and I apologize.**
theGinsue
09-27-2011, 17:35
I can't speak for the rest of you, but if this 46yo had sex with an 18yo or even a 20yo I'd be in some really deep sh!t - my wife has told me this quite clearly.[Coffee]
KevDen2005
09-27-2011, 17:55
I'm curious if there were younger kids in the house or if anyone else was a part of it. If it was just the 17 year old and consensual then not a crime unless they are going after Position of Trust or something like that. Some I'm curious.
I haven't read everyone else's comments so don't know if anyone wrote that already or other information came out about it.
KevDen2005
09-27-2011, 17:56
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Well we'll just say he's the luckiest little boy in the world.
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I was so ready to post that if I didn't see it on here [LOL]
KevDen2005
09-27-2011, 18:39
Negative. They legally cannot. She is 10 years his senior. The 15-17 age bracket has a check and balance of no more than four years their senior for legality.
**I deleted the last line. It was out of line and character and I apologize.**
Right, but doesn't the law state "Under 17" for regular sex assault, not position of trust
OneGuy67
09-27-2011, 18:41
It's been a long day...I'm going to get a beer and forget about trying to be coherent here!
Forgot to mention..you are right Kevin! I had to re-read my statute.
KevDen2005
09-27-2011, 18:52
It's been a long day...I'm going to get a beer and forget about trying to be coherent here!
Forgot to mention..you are right Kevin! I had to re-read my statute.
Believe me I read it four times once I saw your post because you always seem to "best" me. Which is good for me. Didn't mean to let a rookie get the best of you this time.
Gonna be a long night for me at work. Have a beer for me![Beer]
so lemme get this right
if the younger is at least 17 and there is no position of trust, they are a go for schtuping even if there is more than a four year difference?
KevDen2005
09-27-2011, 19:55
so lemme get this right
if the younger is at least 17 and there is no position of trust, they are a go for schtuping even if there is more than a four year difference?
The quick answer is yes, as long as there are no other circumstances that change the situation
Where were all the milf cougers when I was playing foortball???
The quick answer is yes, as long as there are no other circumstances that change the situation
<--- grabs his bag of candy and heads for the van
[ROFL2]
Geology Rocks
09-27-2011, 20:55
<--- grabs his bag of candy and heads for the van
[ROFL2]
saw elhuero on the c470 tonight and stapped a pic...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_I1ZNNoFYOnc/SyfBPSCsYNI/AAAAAAAAAQI/JKh4TuS_G7A/s400/url-2.jpg
If I were 17 and nailing a 35 year old I would be fine with it, and so would my dad. Mom? probably not so much....I know the girl I lost my virginity to was 21 years older than me and .....IT.....WAS......AWESOME! The only thing better was the 3 some we got into with her female friend of the same age. hahahahah...[Beer]
mcantar18c
09-27-2011, 21:43
I watched the video in that link, I saw what she looks like... I'd definitely say he's a victim [ROFL1]
DD977GM2
09-27-2011, 21:59
Before I saw the video, I thought... This is every 17 year old boys fantasy, a hot Mom wanting to have some fun times with him. Then I saw the pic of the mom and thought to myself, that kid must be one ugly mofo.
I do think the word, "victim" is overused such as the descriptive word, "Extreme" for everything from firearms to soda drinks.
DD977GM2
09-27-2011, 22:02
For the record, when I got out of the Navy and was 22, I was sleeping around with my Mom's best friend who at the time was 36 years old. [Beer][Muaha][Weight][NoEvil]
Age of consent used to be 14 in Hawaii. Humans have thrived for over 1 million years without "protecting" the "children" under an arbitrarily set age limit.
EDIT: On another note, that news cast was a bunch of bullshit. "I'm standing near a field where there was recently a football game. Now it's just a dark and lonely field." VOMIT!
Geology Rocks
09-27-2011, 22:29
lots of boys pulling in and out apparently. sounds like a good time!
Hi...I am here for the gangbang
joe
as much as i would have liked if it happened to me , i have to agree 100% .
+1. Women can stat rape kids just like men can.
+1. Women can stat rape kids just like men can.
Yes but I'll bet that about 10x less get reported than if a man did it.
rockhound
09-29-2011, 12:49
Negative. They legally cannot. She is 10 years his senior. The 15-17 age bracket has a check and balance of no more than four years their senior for legality.
**I deleted the last line. It was out of line and character and I apologize.**
Colorado
The age of consent in Colorado (http://www.co-ar15.com/wiki/Colorado) is 17; however, there exists in the legislation close-in-age exceptions (http://www.co-ar15.com/wiki/Close_in_age), which allow those aged 15 and 16 to engage in acts with those less than ten years older and those less than 15 to engage in acts with those less than four years older. However a 17-year-old can not legally consent to a person that is in position of trust.
18-3-402(1) Any actor who knowingly inflicts sexual intrusion or sexual penetration on a victim commits sexual assault if: (d) At the time of the commission of the act, the victim is less than fifteen years of age and the actor is at least four years older than the victim and is not the spouse of the victim; or (e) At the time of the commission of the act, the victim is at least fifteen years of age but less than seventeen years of age and the actor is at least ten years older than the victim and is not the spouse of the victim;
if he was 17 i don't see a crime here. yeah position of trust, i bet that is not the only position she was in.
these days his parents are lucky he made it to 17,
i don't necessarily want it for my boy, but i remember being 17, this kid is not a victim
KevDen2005
09-29-2011, 13:19
Colorado
The age of consent in Colorado (http://www.co-ar15.com/wiki/Colorado) is 17; however, there exists in the legislation close-in-age exceptions (http://www.co-ar15.com/wiki/Close_in_age), which allow those aged 15 and 16 to engage in acts with those less than ten years older and those less than 15 to engage in acts with those less than four years older. However a 17-year-old can not legally consent to a person that is in position of trust.
18-3-402(1) Any actor who knowingly inflicts sexual intrusion or sexual penetration on a victim commits sexual assault if: (d) At the time of the commission of the act, the victim is less than fifteen years of age and the actor is at least four years older than the victim and is not the spouse of the victim; or (e) At the time of the commission of the act, the victim is at least fifteen years of age but less than seventeen years of age and the actor is at least ten years older than the victim and is not the spouse of the victim;
if he was 17 i don't see a crime here. yeah position of trust, i bet that is not the only position she was in.
these days his parents are lucky he made it to 17,
i don't necessarily want it for my boy, but i remember being 17, this kid is not a victim
Corrected already. If they are charging her something obviously fits the crime. Not knowing the Arizona law it could be considered position of trust because she was some kind of "helper" for the football team.
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