View Full Version : It can be used against you? Whats your opinion?
hghclsswhitetrsh
09-28-2011, 07:17
So I personally do not have a Facebook account, but I belong to this web forum and an off road web forum. It seems that employers are/can use Facebook and the like for a type of "vetting" for pre-employment. I believe it was in the state of Florida that a teacher got fired because she had pictures of herself working at a second job as a bikini clad waitress doing boat tours. What do you think about that? And what do you think about Facebook quotes, pictures etc, and forum posts being used against you?
I have FB... I have work friends including my boss on FB... I also have filters on there where i can post who sees what... I am also not stupid.
I've seen/known people get fired before... they were stupid
SuperiorDG
09-28-2011, 07:21
I would reply, but I'm afraid someone might use it against me. [Coffee]
Rooskibar03
09-28-2011, 07:28
Personally I've gotta go with the common sense rule on this one. My FB account has very few friends, who are actually real friends and two of them are people I work with.
My thought is this; if I wouldn't say it at work in front a customer or my owner then it isn't going on FB. Lately some of political views have started to end up on my wall as my frustration with "the man" grows. I've kept it in check enough not to piss anyone off.
It's the internet though. Once you put it out there, it will be forever and for anyone to use against you.
trout_champ
09-28-2011, 07:34
My employer has used FB against employees before. They have also used myspace and twitter posts. We even have a clause in the employee handbook that prohibits us from specifically naming our place of employment on “social networking” sites.
Randy
Glock Shooter
09-28-2011, 08:02
My buddy is an attorney and he uses FB regularly to collect information on the parties involved in the suit.
Byte Stryke
09-28-2011, 08:03
real easy...
Set everything to friends only...
Do NOT Add workplace persons to your friends lists
Mobat555
09-28-2011, 08:06
Most HR people I know check the majority of social media websites right after reading your resume (if they are interested). Remember that even if you don't have your name in those media sites they can still track you via email, which is inevitably on your resume.
Any of you's in a bikini on FB would be grounds for defreinding.
All I got to say.
sneakerd
09-28-2011, 08:45
I don't use any social networking sites. Keeps me under the radar.[Peep]
ghettodub
09-28-2011, 08:49
just gotta be smart about it, that's all. be aware of who you add, have good privacy settings, and don't be an idiot
I don't use any social networking sites. Keeps me under the radar.[Peep]um i hate to break it to ya but this place might just be one
My buddy is an attorney and he uses FB regularly to collect information on the parties involved in the suit.
So true on that.. we check potential clients and other parties involved. You would be surprised what people put on there.
There is no expectation of privacy on the internet.
It's as if you were in public making a declaration in front of many witnesses about murder...
real easy...
Set everything to friends only...
Do NOT Add workplace persons to your friends lists
Do not add people you do not know as friends. I don't care how popular you want to seem.
Most HR people I know check the majority of social media websites right after reading your resume (if they are interested). Remember that even if you don't have your name in those media sites they can still track you via email, which is inevitably on your resume.
Yep.. and I personally know of a few who have not received calls back.
That being said.. the internet is forever. Those pictures of you with a bong in college... Yep.. they can be found.
SouthPaw
09-28-2011, 08:53
I don't use any social networking sites. Keeps me under the radar.[Peep]
Probably keeps you out of the dog house as well. Don't forget the crazy wives/girlfriends and the Ex's that use it against you
Byte Stryke
09-28-2011, 08:57
Most HR people I know check the majority of social media websites right after reading your resume (if they are interested). Remember that even if you don't have your name in those media sites they can still track you via email, which is inevitably on your resume.
Oh and don't be a tard... Email addresses are too easy to get.
have a general BS email for FB, Myspace, whatever and have a professional email address for ONLY work related correspondence.
Mobat555
09-28-2011, 08:59
Oh and don't be a tard... Email addresses are too easy to get.
have a general BS email for FB, Myspace, whatever and have a professional email address for ONLY work related correspondence.
Exactly [Beer]
JohnnyEgo
09-28-2011, 09:22
I'm middle management in a large company with a big HR department and a strong social media presence. I tell all my direct reports that, like it or not, they are responsible for the things they say and do, and if they exercise poor judgment in a way that could reflect negatively on their employer, they should expect to be held to account for it. Electronic media seems to have a life of it's own and never really disappears. Act accordingly.
Oh and don't be a tard... Email addresses are too easy to get.
have a general BS email for FB, Myspace, whatever and have a professional email address for ONLY work related correspondence.
Amen... i have the following
main email
professional
bills
craigslist
combined wife and I we used for wedding
one for GV at home using my Obi
several otheres as well that don't come to mind
Byte Stryke
09-28-2011, 09:25
you know how corny it looks to see a resume with pantykiller69@whatever.com on a resume?
use that crap on your FB and myspace...
go get a firstname.lastname@google.com
They are free
BPTactical
09-28-2011, 09:25
I don't understand why you would have to go online and blather all of your daily BS and this and that for ANYBODY to see. Sure we all do it on forums and such but we still temper it usually.
But what gets me is some of the stuff I have seen on my kids FB page and what his "friends" post: I slept with X, so and so is a slut, I got soooo drunk last weekend etc.
Just frickin stupid.
And the lawyer point-I know two people that have stuff bite them in the keester during divorces from post's on FB and Twitter.
I don't use any social networking sites. If I want my friends to know what I am doing I will call them.
That's also why I don't have many friends. I like it that way.
onedeadpirate
09-28-2011, 09:38
Probably keeps you out of the dog house as well. Don't forget the crazy wives/girlfriends and the Ex's that use it against you
I hear you there. I try to not have girl friends be my fb friends either now just because of all the BS I have had to deal with in the past.
Healthy alternative...
Use a pseudonym- it's nearly impossible to find out who John Slartibartfast is in real life if he doesn't exist. Plus you should route your email, FB, and anything else that goes on the interwebz through several ghost servers so it looks like Slartibartfast lives in Bulgari- no Romani- now it's MOSCOW!? I have three different Emails I divulge to the public- Work, FB, my production company- then two I don't usually give out that are under a false name for things like... uh, looking at pictures and videos of... uh Guns! Yeah that's it, guns!
Mobat555
09-28-2011, 10:36
Healthy alternative...
Use a pseudonym- it's nearly impossible to find out who John Slartibartfast is in real life if he doesn't exist.
Just FYI using "fake" or "pseudo" names on the internet can be considered breaking the law (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1030.html).
A line about "unauthorized access" being illegal, can be anything from illegally accessing the White House's website to using a false name during an online registration process.
newracer
09-28-2011, 10:43
It is really simple. Don't post anything on the internet anywhere that you don't want everyone to see.
Mobat555
09-28-2011, 10:47
It is really simple. Don't post anything on the internet anywhere that you don't want everyone to see.
Sounds simple, but things you think are fine (like donating to a politician) can be taken poorly by another individual. The only real solution is abstinence from the net, but where is the fun in that [Coffee]
I know a guy who's been in the Army for a few months who keeps bitching on his FB about how much he misses smoking pot. Doesn't seem like a smart idea to me. I brought it up once and he was like "well it's not like I'm actually doing it!"
[Dunno]
I know a guy who's been in the Army for a few months who keeps bitching on his FB about how much he misses smoking pot. Doesn't seem like a smart idea to me. I brought it up once and he was like "well it's not like I'm actually doing it!"
[Dunno]
I got yelled at for posting this on FB while in the Army:
"Is it wrong that I think the guy living in the white house is up to no good?"
I didn't say specific names, and I could have been talking about any white house (since I didn't capitalize or state where said white house was)...
Byte Stryke
09-28-2011, 11:41
your membership here could be construed as being anti-government militant right wing extremism...
Just saying
I have FB but don't really use it much. I don't post random stuff on there like I would on here. too much crap can come back to get you when your direct name is attached to it.
plus, just set your settings to friends only, nobody can search you, and keep personal info down to a minimum.
Also be careful of what your friends post... don't want to get fired for that weekend in Vegas because your friend tagged a photo of you snorting a gram of blow off that hooker's chest.
There is a privacy loophole... check out my friend's blog
http://andrew.serff.net/2011/09/22/facebook-tickernew-feed-privacy-concern/
Also be careful of what your friends post... don't want to get fired for that weekend in Vegas because your friend tagged a photo of you snorting a gram of blow off that hooker's chest.
I see people get tagged all the time in places that they have never been.
Just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true.
Employees need to be judged on their performance at work, not on their own time.
BPTactical
09-28-2011, 14:13
Employees need to be judged on their performance at work, not on their own time.
Very true but now most employers have "Ethical Standards" you must adhere to both on and off the job.
And this is where I begin to think we're on a downward slide... What you do at work is what you should be rated for, not what happens after hours- unless it interferes with your job... If you want to blow your paycheck on handles of vodka and go on a weekend bender with your unemployed friends from college as long as you make it to work on Monday on time ready to work how should that be used against you? I've never really done that, my friends all have jobs.
your membership here could be construed as being anti-government militant right wing extremism...
Just saying
Unless you're Nynco...
Where IS that guy? It was so fun making him look silly...[LOL]
Once anything electronic has been transferred to someone else, it's essentially public domain, out of your control. Remember that before you send pics of your naked keg stand to your buddies...[Puke]
Zundfolge
09-28-2011, 14:35
I'm sure some guy named Zundfolge is going to lose his job over my posts :p
mcantar18c
09-28-2011, 16:56
Employers? Screw em.
If there's something to be concerned about, its criminals using Facebook and the like to see that big screen TV and pics of you shooting all those guns, then to see when the house will be empty ("Going to the Avs game with Bill!" or "Man work is slow today"), and using map programs like Google Street View to case the property.
http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2011/09/27/burglars-say-they-find-targets-through-social-media/?mod=google_news_blog
StagLefty
09-28-2011, 17:07
I don't understand why you would have to go online and blather all of your daily BS and this and that for ANYBODY to see. Sure we all do it on forums and such but we still temper it usually.
But what gets me is some of the stuff I have seen on my kids FB page and what his "friends" post: I slept with X, so and so is a slut, I got soooo drunk last weekend etc.
Just frickin stupid.
And the lawyer point-I know two people that have stuff bite them in the keester during divorces from post's on FB and Twitter.
I don't use any social networking sites. If I want my friends to know what I am doing I will call them.
That's also why I don't have many friends. I like it that way.
^ Like minds [Beer]
Zundfolge
09-28-2011, 17:08
I'll just ad this link to stir the pot further
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44701381
I'm just so glad I deleted my FB account long ago.
jerrymrc
09-28-2011, 17:21
Whats a facebook. [Coffee] In all honesty I did create a myspace account years ago that the family wanted. I never posted anything on it but down the road I starting thinking. Then Twitter and FB came out and I did think to myself. "how stupid can one be?"
The big thing that cracks me up is how people post on it all kinds of private details and pics then scream bloody murder when an employer uses it.
As has been said. Once you post anything on the internet no matter how sneaky you may think you are it is out there for all to see if they want to.
It seems to take my employer about a day to find everything out there with just a screen name. About the farthest I will go is saying that work was a pain today. (it actually was being end of year and all). :)
Byte Stryke
09-28-2011, 17:23
I'll just ad this link to stir the pot further
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44701381
I'm just so glad I deleted my FB account long ago.
I got it all on, ran outside and the only one out there was the neighbor kid playing guns in the yard
still not time yet?
hghclsswhitetrsh
09-28-2011, 18:44
I'm glad I stirred the pot a little, everyone is aware there are "super computers" that take a "picture" of EVERY webpage link etc EVERY day right?
To sum it up - don't say/post anything you don't want to be used against you!
jerrymrc
09-28-2011, 19:27
I'm glad I stirred the pot a little, everyone is aware there are "super computers" that take a "picture" of EVERY webpage link etc EVERY day right?
To sum it up - don't say/post anything you don't want to be used against you!
People seem to forget the news stories about floors that don't exist and other places. [Bang]
Byte Stryke
09-28-2011, 19:29
I'm glad I stirred the pot a little, everyone is aware there are "super computers" that take a "picture" of EVERY webpage link etc EVERY day right?
To sum it up - don't say/post anything you don't want to be used against you!
we call it Google
Didn't someone post a video the other day from the Onion about how the CIA invented FB? Now that would be pretty scary if it wasn't on the Onion, but I'll bet they (the gov not CIA) send agents onto facebook as those banging hot chicks that no guy really stands a chance with and friends college age and above guys and has their own "listening post."
Just a thought... I'll take my tin foil hat off now.
gnihcraes
09-28-2011, 21:50
There is a whole lot of stuff I don't post here or anywhere else. Just for the reason of it being found by employers or co-workers.
I don't have Facebook because I am an adult.
I don't think it is a problem if you are smart with what you post. Unfortunately, there are people who post stuff that gets them in trouble.
gnihcraes
09-29-2011, 19:18
I had a small issue with a transaction here a while back, and did a little googling and facebooking, found about just about anything I needed to know on this person. Including his wife, daughter, and all their happenings via facebook. Schools, Classes, soccer matches, dates and times, home address. Really scary what people are putting out there publicly.
I obviously didn't do anything with the information, but it was interesting to see what existed. And I didn't try very hard to find any of it.
onedeadpirate
09-30-2011, 01:37
And this is where I begin to think we're on a downward slide... What you do at work is what you should be rated for, not what happens after hours- unless it interferes with your job... If you want to blow your paycheck on handles of vodka and go on a weekend bender with your unemployed friends from college as long as you make it to work on Monday on time ready to work how should that be used against you? I've never really done that, my friends all have jobs.
I understand where you come from and tend to agree with you (my time, my business) but as an employee of any business you represent that business at work and away. Especially if you deal with customers face to face. "Hey there is that guy that sold me a car last week wasted and acting like an ass at the game." Plants a seed in your mind next time you are shopping for that car. So your employer should have all the freedom in the world to hire and fire whom they want to represent their business. Sucks but if it comes down to a pic on fb or something then they were just looking for a reason to fire you for since it is so hard to fire anyone today.
Amazing how some of your views change when you actually own a business. A lot of that BS your boss was telling you makes some sense.
mcantar18c
09-30-2011, 02:18
I understand where you come from and tend to agree with you (my time, my business) but as an employee of any business you represent that business at work and away. Especially if you deal with customers face to face. "Hey there is that guy that sold me a car last week wasted and acting like an ass at the game." Plants a seed in your mind next time you are shopping for that car. So your employer should have all the freedom in the world to hire and fire whom they want to represent their business. Sucks but if it comes down to a pic on fb or something then they were just looking for a reason to fire you for since it is so hard to fire anyone today.
Amazing how some of your views change when you actually own a business. A lot of that BS your boss was telling you makes some sense.
Since when? Colorado is an at-will state... an employer can fire anyone, at any time, with any - or no - amount of notice, for any (nondiscriminatory) reason. They don't need an excuse. The only reason they'd find it hard to fire someone is if they don't have the balls to do it.
It has often crossed my mind that I should deactivate my FB account.
SA Friday
09-30-2011, 06:46
Just FYI using "fake" or "pseudo" names on the internet can be considered breaking the law (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1030.html).
A line about "unauthorized access" being illegal, can be anything from illegally accessing the White House's website to using a false name during an online registration process.
Uh, no. Fraud is simply "theft through paperwork", fraud by computer is the same misrepresentation but with digital forms. Just accessing opens source info with a fake name isnt theft and doesn't fall under this code. There has to be an element of unlawful financial gain involved in the act of accessing and misrepresenting yourself. Trust me here. After running fraud cases for a couple of years, they are much more complicated than just using a false identity.
Scanker19
09-30-2011, 06:47
It has often crossed my mind that I should deactivate my FB account.
+1
Uh, no. Fraud is simply "theft through paperwork", fraud by computer is the same misrepresentation but with digital forms. Just accessing opens source info with a fake name isnt theft and doesn't fall under this code. There has to be an element of unlawful financial gain involved in the act of accessing and misrepresenting yourself. Trust me here. After running fraud cases for a couple of years, they are much more complicated than just using a false identity.
Exactly, just like if I signed up on a blogging website or twitter and used a false identity (just to mask my real one) it would be no different than if I wrote a book under a pseudonym... Many authors do it now and they're not in jail.
Since when? Colorado is an at-will state... an employer can fire anyone, at any time, with any - or no - amount of notice, for any (nondiscriminatory) reason. They don't need an excuse. The only reason they'd find it hard to fire someone is if they don't have the balls to do it.
You'd think that was the case, but he is right. Had a boss tell lies about me to get me fired. I don't know if she didn't have the authority or what, but firing someone out of a corporation is not that simple. Company policy gets in the way.
DD977GM2
10-01-2011, 04:09
Personally I've gotta go with the common sense rule on this one. My FB account has very few friends, who are actually real friends and two of them are people I work with.
My thought is this; if I wouldn't say it at work in front a customer or my owner then it isn't going on FB. Lately some of political views have started to end up on my wall as my frustration with "the man" grows. I've kept it in check enough not to piss anyone off.
It's the internet though. Once you put it out there, it will be forever and for anyone to use against you.
Definatly a good rule of thumb for FB and the like.
I post manly political stuff like the billboard pic I posted on here the other day or pics of the sunrises or sunsets etc from work. I love to piss off the liberals
that are on my friends list, but they know I do it for fun as they are mostly my family, cousins etc.
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