View Full Version : Be a patriot. Hire an Illegal
According to this article. [Rant1]
http://money.msn.com/saving-money/be-a-patriot-hire-an-illegal-alien-bloomberg-businessweek.aspx?GT1=33009
That is beyond stupid.
A true patriot would hire a citizen.
Byte Stryke
09-29-2011, 09:07
Holy shit...
That article was written with so much slant it could be a slide on a playground.
And yet if forced to do without illegal labor, vast sectors of the U.S. economy, from agriculture to construction, would founder -- not to mention the putting greens infested by crab grass and the children who would run riot without care. Even the U.S. Chamber of Commerce supports legalizing undocumented workers who are "already contributing to our economy," provided they don't otherwise run afoul of the law.
Ohh dear gawd!!!
The Putting Greens!!!! OH EMM GEEE!!!
and we would have to care for our own childrens!!! OHH LAWDY!!
why don't they get it... ILLEGAL Means against the law... to be a CRIMINAL.
It's not an issue of 3 mph over limit... this is, someone is here leeching the system, working under the table and sending their money out of the country!
Do we need reform? Absolutely
NOT Amnesty... Reform. Less BS Paperwork and fees and other bureaucratic shit...
As it is it will cost Mrs. Byte just under 1K to stay Legally....
we started the paperwork in July, we will be done in NOVEMBER
I jokingly told her that she should let it expire, become an illegal and get more assistance, welfare and benefits.
sad part is, we would be better off.
[Bang]
Lex_Luthor
09-29-2011, 09:39
^^ Exactly. My fiance is a permanent resident. It's going to cost her like $600 to take the citizenship test.
JohnTRourke
09-29-2011, 09:43
here's the big problem with illegals
they put the legal business's out of business.
well, who's left to pay all these bullshit taxes, fees, etc to stay in business?
nobody, and we're rapidly getting there.
akumadiavolo
09-29-2011, 09:47
^^ Exactly. My fiance is a permanent resident. It's going to cost her like $600 to take the citizenship test.
How much did it cost for her to become a permanent resident? My wife is a permanent resident and when we did the paperwork it cost us almost 2500 bucks, then will be another 1K next june.
Lex_Luthor
09-29-2011, 09:52
Not sure, but it was expensive. She has 2 siblings who were born here, her parents got their residency and citizenship first, and 2 other siblings other than her are citizens now. She ended up as the last one. I'm sure the process for the whole family was DAMN expensive.
I agree with Byte! What they don't get though is that if there weren't any illegals to work construction and agriculture then who would work those jobs? OH YEAH! AMERICANS! [Bang] How much further into this deep dark hole must we slip? No one ever mentions in the liberal media that these heathens don't pay taxes, and over 80% of them don't speak English! It's not enough that they send a lot of their income back to Mexico [er country of origin- not all illegals are Mexican ;) ], they don't pay taxes, they don't speak the language, and they wave their 3rd world country flags instead of the Stars and Stripes. WTF? Maybe if we had an administration with some testicular fortitude we could fix this problem! Ugh! Why do I have to wait 9 more years until I'm eligible to run for President!?
The liberal media always acts like Americans won't do the jobs the illegals do. That's utter bs. Most Americans won't submit to slavery the way illegals will. It costs a certain amount to live in America. Housing, food, clothes. If employers would lose the illegal migrant workers, then they would be forced to pay Americans a living wage or not get the work done. It really wouldn't raise the cost of the finished product that much. If you pay someone 15$ an hour instead of 7$ is not going to double the price of lettuce. Even if it did I would be willing to pay the premium to give Americans the opportunity to work. Make an environment that requires deadbeat employers to up their wages and I think there would be a difference.
You're always going to have the lazy that won't work for any wage. That's a different subject.
You will also have those who claim to never being able to find an American citizen who can do a good job. Never been able to understand that one. In any given location are skilled labors who do excellent work leading me to believe that the people making those claims simply don't want to pay for quality. Do your homework and hire reputable craftsmen and be willing to pay what they are worth and you won't be able to make those claims.
Geology Rocks
09-29-2011, 10:07
the part that gets me is this.....
Cost to become a US citizen? $700-$4000.
Cost to pay a drug cartel to smuggle you in along with illegal drugs? $2000-$4000
When people say its to expensive to become a citizen and they cant afford it I say BS. They can afford to try 2,3, and sometimes even 4 times with the cartels they can afford the $595 application fee!
*grumbling*
joe
Byte Stryke
09-29-2011, 10:21
the part that gets me is this.....
Cost to become a US citizen? $700-$4000.
Cost to pay a drug cartel to smuggle you in along with illegal drugs? $2000-$4000
When people say its to expensive to become a citizen and they cant afford it I say BS. They can afford to try 2,3, and sometimes even 4 times with the cartels they can afford the $595 application fee!
*grumbling*
joe
its not just the application fee
the administrative fee the background fee, the bs fee, that fee, the other fee, the paperwork fee, the fee to process the paperwork fee, the fee fee...
it takes 8 visits and 400 pages of Bullshit to be legal... I think we should make it easier, not free... just easier.
the only thing not downsizing during the recession is the Government.
Geology Rocks
09-29-2011, 10:24
its not just the application fee
the administrative fee the background fee, the bs fee, that fee, the other fee, the paperwork fee, the fee to process the paperwork fee, the fee fee...
it takes 8 visits and 400 pages of Bullshit to be legal... I think we should make it easier, not free... just easier.
the only thing not downsizing during the recession is the Government.
I am aware of this. I have friends who became citizens 2 years ago. :D Its the finger prints, the passports, all of it adds up, but still is about $4000 on the high end. Still potentially less than paying a drug cartel to try and get you in.
I am all for immigration, LEGAL Immigration. My family moved here from Italy in the 40's.
joe
Who in the hell would let their kids be watched by an illegal of any nationality?
jerrymrc
09-29-2011, 20:47
The liberal media always acts like Americans won't do the jobs the illegals do. That's utter bs. Most Americans won't submit to slavery the way illegals will. It costs a certain amount to live in America. Housing, food, clothes. If employers would lose the illegal migrant workers, then they would be forced to pay Americans a living wage or not get the work done. It really wouldn't raise the cost of the finished product that much. If you pay someone 15$ an hour instead of 7$ is not going to double the price of lettuce. Even if it did I would be willing to pay the premium to give Americans the opportunity to work. Make an environment that requires deadbeat employers to up their wages and I think there would be a difference.
You're always going to have the lazy that won't work for any wage. That's a different subject.
One other thought along these lines. We have passed laws that now deprive the US of how we used to do it.
How many here stood on the corner waiting for the bus to pick you up to go pick beans/strawberries and other stuff at 5am in the summer when you were 9-12 years old? [Wave] I did. Now the laws will not allow it because it is "child abuse". I had my frozen soda and a sandwich in my bag for lunch. I left at 5am and got home around 6pm. I made 25 cents a crate for strawberries. On a good day I could pick 15-18 crates. :)
Byte Stryke
09-30-2011, 08:56
Who in the hell would let their kids be watched by an illegal of any nationality?
that would be anyone elected to public office
Along the same lines as "what American would want to do the job that illegals do?" How about someone who's been unemployed for 12 or more months? American's don't want to go clean toilets, or vacuum hotel rooms, or be janitors at high schools. Bullshit. Some of the jobs we're giving to illegals are the same jobs my friends and I had in high school. Over the summer, to save up to buy my first car when I was 14 I rode my bike 5 miles every day at 4:30AM to go make dough and form bagels. It was $7.50/hr, the work sucked, but I was off by 11 every day and just in time to go enjoy the sun and swim. And guess what? It turned me into a productive member of society. The difference today? These cretins go work some $6.00/hr job and send 1/2 their paycheck back to Mexico! You know where 2/3 of my paycheck went when I worked summer jobs in school? Savings, to buy an American sold product (granted my first car was a VW, but I bought it from a hard working American). Where did the rest of my money go? To buy CD's, Movies, video games- all made and sold in America (or so I hope). And part of that money went into the paycheck of some walmart or bestbuy or FYE employee.
I don't want to have to clean the toilets or wash the dishes at my part time job, when I am qualified to be the general manager, but I do it anyway.
I don't want to have to clean the toilets or wash the dishes at my part time job, when I am qualified to be the general manager, but I do it anyway.
Exactly. I get offended when the libs pull stunts like when Colbert when out and worked some menial labor job (picking crops of some sort), and then proclaimed how he would never do that again. Just because your worthless and a lazy bastard with a good job going on doesn't mean you can degrade Americans who are employed doing the same thing. My grandparents on my mom's side worked as fruit pickers in the south for a while during a tough time in their life. I work at jobs I detest because I need to eat. I've never pulled unemployment in my life.
Byte Stryke
10-01-2011, 08:39
I've never pulled unemployment in my life.
I don't know why not... its insurance you and your employer pay for.
I don't know why not... its insurance you and your employer pay for.
It is not insurance- employers pay SUI and FUI taxes. Insurance would imply it is a voluntary premium- it is not. Employees do not pay those taxes. Insurance also implies that the premiums are sufficient to cover the benfits promised. They are not- both the state and federal programs are under water. Unemployment benfits are an entitlement program like any other the government sponsors. Employers pay the taxes and you do too, indirectly when the .gov spends more than it takes in.
DD977GM2
10-01-2011, 17:53
That is beyond stupid.
A true patriot would hire a citizen.
This to the umpteenth million.
they forgot the "and report them to ICE" part.
El Caballo Loco
10-02-2011, 02:50
Here's where I will clash with many people. I believe I actually caused a minor stir and a tsk tsk (when I was more of a noob thant I am now) when I put my opinion up on this last time buuuut...
A real patriot would take pride in his country and feel disgusted and outraged at the illegals being in the country in the first place. He would do what he could to remove them from his personal area of responsibility, which happens to be the United States of America, and which may entail what some see as uncalled for illegal (by whos standards?) acts of aggression and violence directed towards the illegals in question, whilst others, such as myself see as repelling invading beggars, slackers, degenerates, leeches, poisons and stains upon our great soil.
What kind of patriot are you? The idle soft spoken patriot, the patriot nervous of taking action due to the repercussions, that patriot that gets their patriot "fix" by buying American once a month, or the patriot who's willing to step up and fight a fight worth fighting?
Bailey Guns
10-02-2011, 06:43
The fears about what illegal immigrants are doing to the US economy don't stand up to scrutiny, yet some states now penalize employers who hire them.
WTF??? Smoke crack much before you write an article?
A real patriot would take pride in his country and feel disgusted and outraged at the illegals being in the country in the first place. He would do what he could to remove them from his personal area of responsibility, which happens to be the United States of America, and which may entail what some see as uncalled for illegal (by whos standards?) acts of aggression and violence directed towards the illegals in question, whilst others, such as myself see as repelling invading beggars, slackers, degenerates, leeches, poisons and stains upon our great soil.
RE: What kind of patriot...? I'm the kind that writes my elected representatives, votes for those inline with my beliefs and makes my opinions known. I'm not sure what else you're suggesting.
As far as the statement you made (in bold in the quote box): For the most part, they're illegal. Like the majority of people illegals come in all flavors with various moral standards. Should they be removed from the country? In my open, unquestionably. I wish there was an easy way to do it and secure the border so they don't come back unless it was through legal means.
But I've seen far more "citizens" that might meet that description than illegals. I don't think it's appropriate to label them all with such harsh terms and I certainly wouldn't perpetuate violence against them just because they're here illegally.
Frankly, I think that statement is pretty over the top...if I'm understanding your meaning.
El Caballo Loco
10-02-2011, 10:02
WTF??? Smoke crack much before you write an article?
RE: What kind of patriot...? I'm the kind that writes my elected representatives, votes for those inline with my beliefs and makes my opinions known. I'm not sure what else you're suggesting.
As far as the statement you made (in bold in the quote box): For the most part, they're illegal. Like the majority of people illegals come in all flavors with various moral standards. Should they be removed from the country? In my open, unquestionably. I wish there was an easy way to do it and secure the border so they don't come back unless it was through legal means.
But I've seen far more "citizens" that might meet that description than illegals. I don't think it's appropriate to label them all with such harsh terms and I certainly wouldn't perpetuate violence against them just because they're here illegally.
Frankly, I think that statement is pretty over the top...if I'm understanding your meaning.
I think you have the right idea. While I do not regret my views, I do regret airing them on a board in such a free manner as well as to complete strangers.
mevshooter
10-02-2011, 12:00
The thing that gets me... my wife and I worked hard to find at least one job between the two of us that had good insurance. I'm thankful that we had that before she got pregnant, and throughout her pregnancy. I thank God we don't have to pay the entire $20,000 it would have been to out of pocket everything for the pregnancy, and that it's down closer to below $5000.
What kills me is, a good chunk of our bill is going to a slush fund for illegal immigrants to pay off the debts they incur that they either can't pay or more likely refuse to pay, but since they aren't in the system, and I, my wife, and my beautiful daughter are, we can be tracked down and pinned with that crap.
Being an honest, upright, working citizen can kick you in the ass sometimes.
My favorite thing is when people say "well you can afford that, because you're not an illegal immigrant that makes blah blah blah."
Oh yes, me and my $15 an hour job supporting my incredible stay at home wife (I truly mean that... I couldn't deal with a screaming baby all day) and 5 month old daughter... totally... we have TONS upon TONS of money.
Oh crap, this isn't 1956... $15 an hour for a household of 3 is barely getting by... hmmmm.
Yet we DO IT!!!!!
Eff.
I commend you Mevshooter. I've got a $15/hr job and I don't think I could support our family on it. It'd be extremely difficult.
mevshooter
10-02-2011, 12:43
I commend you Mevshooter. I've got a $15/hr job and I don't think I could support our family on it. It'd be extremely difficult.
To be honest, we are living with my mom right now. As much for her sake as it is for ours. My dad left her high and dry with two mortgages, so we pay one of them and she lets us live here.
Times are crazy hard right now, and to be 100% honest we couldn't make it through if it wasn't for me going to school and getting kick backs from my student loans. I know we still have to pay it back, but no banks can match the 10 year, and super low interest rates of a student loan.
But crazy thing, we are actually going to PAY BACK our student loans.
Man... all this talk about paying back what we owe... starting to sound un-American...
Byte Stryke
10-02-2011, 19:55
But crazy thing, we are actually going to PAY BACK our student loans.
OH EM GEE Double-U Tee EFF
That's just crazy talk.
[ROFL1]
mevshooter
10-02-2011, 21:01
OH EM GEE Double-U Tee EFF
That's just crazy talk.
[ROFL1]
I KNOW right... I should probably go talk to my doctor and see if I need to be on ADHD medication... because... you know... all the cool kids are doing it...
Or something.
Mobat555
10-03-2011, 09:37
Be a patriot. Hire an Illegal
This should be "Be a Capitalist, Hire an Illegal" , which is what it comes down to. The problem is the people willing to hire illegals for a low wage in order to make a bigger profit (or stay competitive). The jobs illegals get are of course rarely ran legally so they do not have to pay minimum wage. If those jobs were not available would we even have a problem? Illegals themselves, they work for very low wages, live in a home with multiple people and live there lives. While I would see an normal american who needs a job working at McDonald's or on a grounds crew (notice the influx of white boys in the past two years on grounds crews? I have). I would not see them working or less then minimum wage or wanting to live a lifestyle that only requires a pay of $2-$4 an hour.
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