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The list of demands from Occupy Wall street:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/ (http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/)
Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.
Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.
Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Demand four: Free college education.
Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.
Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.
These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.
Lloyd J Hart 508-687-9153
[Bang] There is so much fail here, I don't even know where to start...
Bailey Guns
10-05-2011, 08:31
I dunno...Demand #11: Contemplating how many guns I could buy every month without a mortgage payment. Hmmmm....
And these people learn this stuff in our schools and colleges. Pretty scary that a human being can be that stupid.
Holy crap I want to live in that dream world....these people have lost it.
ghettodub
10-05-2011, 08:36
those people are 'nanners. And the thing that gets me: a large percentage of the people that are out there have NO idea why they're even there...
Scanker19
10-05-2011, 08:36
I really hope this is from the Onion. They've gone batty.
Demand seven: ... ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems...
Ya know, if they threw their energy into this, instead of the protest...
Oh, I forgot, that is work, What was I thinking.
Bailey Guns
10-05-2011, 08:39
I really hope this is from the Onion. They've gone batty.
Oh, no...that's the genuine list of demands. Heard about it yesterday. Unfortunately, stupidity isn't illegal.
I really hope this is from the Onion. They've gone batty.
Nope, not the onion. this is for real.
Lex_Luthor
10-05-2011, 08:46
Oh em gee, that is so F'n ridiculous!
I must be living a shell I didn't know people that stupid really existed. [LOL]
Batteriesnare
10-05-2011, 08:55
Communists? Just see #3.
Notice how it is all government does this and government provides that and unions this and that. There isn't any, 'I can do this' and 'I'll take care of that'.
This is an example of the entitlement mentality being taught in schools today.
Life isn't fair, we're not entitled to food, clothes, medical care, housing, and the list goes on. Quite a few people work for these things, the folks at the protest think these things should be GIVEN to them. The protesters don't know and don't CARE where the funding comes from, the protesters are selfish and infantile, the protesters are liberals.
Zundfolge
10-05-2011, 09:05
Filed under "A broken clock is right twice a day" I kinda like #10.
But the rest of them should be met with ANFO and 5.56mm.
palepainter
10-05-2011, 09:07
That is some serious socialist agenda right there.
SA Friday
10-05-2011, 09:07
There is some partial validity to demand one, but the rest is literally socialist garbage. They're diluted fools. That want to sit on their couch and think up even more garbage.
There is some partial validity to demand one, but the rest is literally socialist garbage. They're diluted fools. That want to sit on their couch and think up even more garbage.
I disagree, their foolishness is highly concentrated. They are deluded, however...
/grammar nazi
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flan7211
10-05-2011, 09:13
I also like the first part of number 1 but these bastards are crazy.
Robby30-06
10-05-2011, 09:16
Holy Loony Toons Batman! Makes me wanna buy more ammo.....but i guess most things do ;)
Notice how it is all government does this and government provides that and unions this and that. There isn't any, 'I can do this' and 'I'll take care of that'.
This is an example of the entitlement mentality being taught in schools today.
Life isn't fair, we're not entitled to food, clothes, medical care, housing, and the list goes on. Quite a few people work for these things, the folks at the protest think these things should be GIVEN to them. The protesters don't know and don't CARE where the funding comes from, the protesters are selfish and infantile, the protesters are liberals.
Geez, free shit without working for it? Sounds nice... in Soviet Russia, and we all remember how that worked out! A lot of these "Demands" sound to me like they want to kill America in the first week! Forgiving debt? Open borders? Free nationalized healthcare and the outlawing of health insurance companies? Shutting down nuclear power plants? Do they really want to omit 10's of 1,000's of jobs in one fell swoop? I've lost hope in a large percentage of our future if this is what they're churning out. 90% of these people probably voted for Obama. Let's organize a big rally out in the Mojave and 'accidentally' schedule a nuclear test the same day for the same place!
SA Friday
10-05-2011, 10:00
I disagree, their foolishness is highly concentrated. They are deluded, however...
/grammar nazi
[Tooth] [Beer]
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I'm done. I'm calling in sick and locking myself in the house today.
Geez, free shit without working for it? Sounds nice... in Soviet Russia, and we all remember how that worked out! A lot of these "Demands" sound to me like they want to kill America in the first week! Forgiving debt? Open borders? Free nationalized healthcare and the outlawing of health insurance companies? Shutting down nuclear power plants? Do they really want to omit 10's of 1,000's of jobs in one fell swoop? I've lost hope in a large percentage of our future if this is what they're churning out. 90% of these people probably voted for Obama. Let's organize a big rally out in the Mojave and 'accidentally' schedule a nuclear test the same day for the same place!
In Soviet Union we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us. We live in hovels and wait 6 months for shoes. They live in dachas and shop in American stores abroad.
I've said it before and I don't mind repeating it - The only way we'll all be equal and things will be 'fair' is if we're all penniless and destitute.
BPTactical
10-05-2011, 10:10
Aside from the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights you are only "entitled" to two (2) things in America:
The opportunity to succeed.
The opportunity to fail.
Everything in between is determined by motivation, work ethic and yes, a little luck.
What kills me with these douchenozzles that are protesting: you scream that you are owed this and that. Why the fuck aren't you in school/work?
STFU!
Why the fuck aren't you in school/work?
STFU!
I'd be willing to bet there is a high number of trust fund babies that are NYU/Colombia students getting school credit for attending.
funkfool
10-05-2011, 10:22
The only way we'll all be equal and things will be 'fair' is if we're all penniless and destitute.
This is their "American Dream"... (They just don't know it yet - that and an unmarked grave in a nice rural setting)
Stupid hippies. Why don't they "demand" in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up fastest? And what, no "demand" for a free Grateful Dead library for all?
This is their "American Dream"... (They just don't know it yet - that and an unmarked grave in a nice rural setting)
They don't know it because their elite educators aren't students of history or life. They are students of fantasy and unrealized utopia.
I hope the world comes crashing in on them hard and fast.
Funny, I just realized they're making "demands." Who else makes demands? Terrorists, and we don't fucking negotiate with terrorists... we kill them! So does that mean I put on my uniform again, lock and load my guns and go terrorist hunting? Or do I have to wait until Nov until Terrorist season starts?
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in great numbers.
Bailey Guns
10-05-2011, 14:40
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in great numbers.
Yep...they got BO elected.
ghettodub
10-05-2011, 14:47
Even most of the Obama fans I know at work were like "damn, those people are f'n nuts"
OneGuy67
10-05-2011, 14:50
I agree the only one that makes any sense at all is the first one (minus their $20 an hour wage demand). Increasing the tariffs would level the playing field here and some companies might actually want to start production back in the US if the costs equalled out or were higher for foreign production after tariffs. Of course, that would upset the Wal Mart peoples who like to buy cheap stuff...
Zundfolge
10-05-2011, 15:06
I don't understand why so many of you guys like #1.
All that trade protectionism does is increase the cost of items we want/need and reduce markets for American companies around the world.
Neither of those things helps the US economy.
Some of y'all need to read more Thomas Sowell (in particular Basic Economics and Applied Economics). For the quick answer, go here (http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2011/01/11/lets-learn-economics-using-videos-from-thomas-sowell/) and watch clip #4.
Better yet I'll embed it:
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But do go back and watch the other videos. Then go buy the books and read them.
jhood001
10-05-2011, 15:19
Those guys are cracked. I can't even wrap my head around how that list of demands has anything to do with Wall Street. They're definitely confused.
If I made a list for Wall Street related legislation(and I can't wait for the flack on this one), it would be:
1. Ban computerized front-running.
2. Place new restrictions on commodities speculation.
3. Re-instate Glass-Steagall
4. Ban shorting. Want to trade it? You have to own it.
I'll go hide now.
I agree the only one that makes any sense at all is the first one (minus their $20 an hour wage demand). Increasing the tariffs would level the playing field here and some companies might actually want to start production back in the US if the costs equalled out or were higher for foreign production after tariffs. Of course, that would upset the Wal Mart peoples who like to buy cheap stuff...
Except just about everything is made in Taiwan/China/Honduras/etc... so everything would get very expensive until US manufacturing ramped back up. I would love to see this happen, but you'd see a lot of companies go out of business very fast because they import and sell the cheap stuff. Luckily, the other side of that coin is the jobs created in the US manufacturing market... except they'd probably hire illegal labor for $2.50/hr to recoup costs. Two edges on every sword makes it hard to jump on one side or another... but I do hear you and agree.
That $20/hr minimum wage is pretty ludicrous. I don't even make $20/hr! I'd love to, but it would be pretty taxing (pardon the pun) on my boss/dad.
Didn't I just see these same wad-gobblers hangin' out in Madison over the summer?
I'm ready for this country to explode...I'm just ready, and I do understand and accept the gravity of such a position. I respect what my country was, or at least what it intended/desired to be, but I truly despise the greater percentage of the US population at this point. I've grown weary of having to "tolerate the two-percenters" at every-turn while remaining a good citizen under the thumb of a Governmental system that is failing me as well.
I'll sit around and be a good sheep in the interim but this country needs a fukken bath...I'm now eager for that day to come. What a damn shame I think that way.
Gotta run...I have to go re-balance my portfolio.
Zundfolge
10-05-2011, 20:03
Here, if you want to see these idiots in their own words (and lampooned at the same time) y'all can go waste some time here.
http://latf99p.com
Hilarious stuff.
Byte Stryke
10-05-2011, 20:16
well this is what happens when the "Deluded" Masses drink the political Kool-aid and don't understand that the "hope and change" they will be receiving is a hope for the better and a change for the worse.
"reality hits you hard bro."
Oh, no...that's the genuine list of demands. Heard about it yesterday. Unfortunately, stupidity isn't illegal.
Pretty sure the title says, "Proposed List Of Demands (http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/)" in a pretty large font at the top. Also this is one voice in what appears to be a more or less leaderless movement... just like other internet groups, the idea of something existing without leadership (and thus without any coherent or unified list of demaneds) is difficult for people to grasp.
Almost all of what's here is utopian pipe dreams, except:
Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Wish we'd spent a trillion on infrastructure instead of Iraq.
H.
mevshooter
10-05-2011, 20:33
I don't understand why so many of you guys like #1.
No one would be getting behind number one if we didn't have unreasonable tariffs and taxes on exporting our goods. If people can ship to us without hindrance, or with incentive, then we should be able to do the same with other countries. It makes no sense why we can't sell to other countries without being penalized ourselves.
What kills me with these douchenozzles that are protesting: you scream that you are owed this and that. Why the fuck aren't you in school/work?
STFU!
Amen!
As long as there are jobs listed on monster, craigslist, etc, there are OBVIOUSLY people who CAN work who choose NOT to.
The moment all of those and the classifieds cease to list ANY jobs, yet we still have a high unemployment rate, I will consider changing my tune.
I understand there are those who are struggling, and have had some genuinely crap times as of of late (shout out to all of you on this board looking for a job... praying for you), but even you guys are spending your time LOOKING for a job, instead of organizing some bull crap post-60's circle jerk excuse to keep NOT working.
EFF!!!!!!
Okay, I'm good.
Byte Stryke
10-05-2011, 20:38
Wish we'd spent a trillion on infrastructure instead of Iraq.
or the wallstreet Fatcats
+1
I was thinking that they might have some merit when I was reading the first demand, but then they sneaked in the "Oh yeah and 20 bucks an hour!" and I ROFL'd my way through the rest of the demands.
Someone just got a "C" in his Intro to Economics class.
This just in!
Attention 99%, in accordance with demand # 11, No one owes you shit. Have a nice day, see you in the job pool.
Sharpienads
10-06-2011, 00:57
I still don't understand what the obsession is with some of you guys and tariffs.
Which imports get tarrifs levied on them?
How much will the tarrifs be?
Who gets to decide?
How long will they last?
If you don't think that imposing tarrifs will just be another way the government will use taxes to try to encourage certain behaviors you're kidding yourself.
Instead of levying tarrifs to make up for our trade disadvantages, why don't we get rid of the unnecessary and/or unconstitutional laws and regulations that put us at a disadvantage in the first place?
And yes, I do want everybody to earn $0.50 an hour, lower everybody's standard of living, want people to be worked like slaves, etc. I just can't imagine how anybody would ever to be able to make a decent living without the government's help. /sarcasm
At least congress has authority to levy tarrifs IAW Article 1, Section 8. The rest of the list of demands shows total constitutional and economic ignorance. The list actually sounds a lot like the 10 pillars of communism.
Bailey Guns
10-06-2011, 05:58
Pretty sure the title says, "Proposed List Of Demands (http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/)" in a pretty large font at the top.
I used the word "genuine" in the sense that the story is real...not made up.
I used the word "genuine" in the sense that the story is real...not made up.
I have no doubts that the list of demands is just the start of what they want without any real effort on their part of course.
Typical liberals, expect everything to be given to them in exchange for nothing. That 'life isn't fair' bullshit is so 8 year old girl.
Bailey Guns
10-06-2011, 06:59
I have no doubts that the list of demands is just the start of what they want without any real effort on their part of course.
Typical liberals, expect everything to be given to them in exchange for nothing. That 'life isn't fair' bullshit is so 8 year old girl.
Unless you're a liberal. Then it's perfectly rational thought.
These Wall Street protesters don't even know recent history.
Bush ran TARP for Wall Street.
Obama ran QE1 and QE2 for Wall Street and now Obama is promoting some new hogwash called a Jobs Bill.
The protesters are protesting the very same folks that Obama, whom many of them voted for, is helping. Morons.
I was listening to Boyles this morning and he is playing these recordings from something called Anonymous from the Occupy Wall Street collective.
The recording says something will happen on October 10th, 2011. I guess we'll wait and see.
Bailey Guns
10-06-2011, 07:51
There is supposed to be a huge denial of service web attack against wall street companies.
Zundfolge
10-06-2011, 08:24
The recording says something will happen on October 10th, 2011. I guess we'll wait and see.
HAHA ... dumbasses are going to plan some sort of direct action when nobody is there (Columbus Day) HA HA HA!
HAHA ... dumbasses are going to plan some sort of direct action when nobody is there (Columbus Day) HA HA HA!
They must have a day off from school, just like an 8 year old girl.
Pretty sure the title says, "Proposed List Of Demands (http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/)" in a pretty large font at the top. Also this is one voice in what appears to be a more or less leaderless movement... just like other internet groups, the idea of something existing without leadership (and thus without any coherent or unified list of demaneds) is difficult for people to grasp.
Almost all of what's here is utopian pipe dreams, except:
Wish we'd spent a trillion on infrastructure instead of Iraq.
H.
Just FYI- the money spent on Iraq and Afghanistan is only 1/5th of what Obama has spent in his first 2 years in office... the Wars in Iraq/Afg are at $1T as of FY2010, for 10 years? that's not bad. And at recent estimates it's going to cost anywhere from $1.3-1.9 TRILLION over the next 6 years to fix our crumbling infrastructure... The wars still don't match that.
Just FYI- the money spent on Iraq and Afghanistan is only 1/5th of what Obama has spent in his first 2 years in office... the Wars in Iraq/Afg are at $1T as of FY2010, for 10 years? that's not bad. And at recent estimates it's going to cost anywhere from $1.3-1.9 TRILLION over the next 6 years to fix our crumbling infrastructure... The wars still don't match that.
Your definition of "not bad" and mine clearly are not the same...
So no, the wars don't quite cover our expensive to rebuild infrastructure... only 50 to 70% of it.
H.
Zundfolge
10-06-2011, 11:04
Most infrastructure in this country is the responsibility of the States, not the Federal Government.
But we abandoned Federalism long ago so whatever.
Your definition of "not bad" and mine clearly are not the same...
So no, the wars don't quite cover our expensive to rebuild infrastructure... only 50 to 70% of it.
H.
Seeing as how I've seen the books for just one battalion (including Garrison and Deployment for 12 months each)- $1 Trillion for 10 years of active hostilities- which covers a lot of shit: Food, clothing, ammo, vehicles (both mil and civ), parts, mechanical equipment, computer equipment, base defense, contractors pay, contracting fees, services, water, trucking, mil heavy equipment, and fuel... which we won't even factor in hazard pay, overseas duty pay, and soldier base pay- for one BN that's a lot of money for one year, but I still say money well spent because if we were short changed in any of those areas life would have gotten hard fast, especially the first 7. And I back my brothers and sisters up 100% that are still over there fighting.
Seeing as how I've seen the books for just one battalion (including Garrison and Deployment for 12 months each)- $1 Trillion for 10 years of active hostilities- which covers a lot of shit: Food, clothing, ammo, vehicles (both mil and civ), parts, mechanical equipment, computer equipment, base defense, contractors pay, contracting fees, services, water, trucking, mil heavy equipment, and fuel... which we won't even factor in hazard pay, overseas duty pay, and soldier base pay- for one BN that's a lot of money for one year, but I still say money well spent because if we were short changed in any of those areas life would have gotten hard fast, especially the first 7. And I back my brothers and sisters up 100% that are still over there fighting.
My point was more that American citizens would have gotten a lot more mileage out of infrastructure than our foray into nation building in a country with the political fault lines Iraq has.
Also, as you're obviously ex-mil and have seen books, what do you think about what the government spends on contractors vs. what it spends on providing services in-house. Do you think that the continued reliance on PMC's is a good thing for our armed forces? Do you think the citizens of this country get better value for their money from Triple Canopy than we would a infantry battalion?
Or is it a case of some things good, some things bad, and the system could be / is likely to be cleaned up in the future?
Genuine question, I have heard we overpay, but the argument could be made that we don't have to pay PMC's during "peace" time.
H.
Sittin' in their own poop and trash..."smells" like progress I'm sure.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/07/owners-zuccotti-park-says-conditions-unsanitary-from-wall-street-protests/
Byte Stryke
10-07-2011, 14:31
My point was more that American citizens would have gotten a lot more mileage out of infrastructure than our foray into nation building in a country with the political fault lines Iraq has.
Also, as you're obviously ex-mil and have seen books, what do you think about what the government spends on contractors vs. what it spends on providing services in-house. Do you think that the continued reliance on PMC's is a good thing for our armed forces? Do you think the citizens of this country get better value for their money from Triple Canopy than we would a infantry battalion?
Or is it a case of some things good, some things bad, and the system could be / is likely to be cleaned up in the future?
Genuine question, I have heard we overpay, but the argument could be made that we don't have to pay PMC's during "peace" time.
H.
Personally, I believe its a mixed bag.
Yes, Military armed operations should be primarily handled by the Mil.
Now, Security should be handled by a hybrid force of civilians overseen by mil.
Nothing says suck like coming back from patrol to stand guard...
Higher technologies also... you aren't going to find a Pfc with a BS in computer sciences, Certifications to deploy for 36 month terms in a combat zone for 28K a year...
I do agree with the need to downscale the combat roles of the contractor.
but as our technologies accelerate, the soldiers will simply not be able to keep up on the requirements under the current benefit/pay.
as far as the money, I won't get into our need to go into Iraq.
But I do believe we could have done with the money we shipped them for their infrastructure.
My point was more that American citizens would have gotten a lot more mileage out of infrastructure than our foray into nation building in a country with the political fault lines Iraq has.
Also, as you're obviously ex-mil and have seen books, what do you think about what the government spends on contractors vs. what it spends on providing services in-house. Do you think that the continued reliance on PMC's is a good thing for our armed forces? Do you think the citizens of this country get better value for their money from Triple Canopy than we would a infantry battalion?
Or is it a case of some things good, some things bad, and the system could be / is likely to be cleaned up in the future?
Genuine question, I have heard we overpay, but the argument could be made that we don't have to pay PMC's during "peace" time.
H.
Touchy subject- contracting. I'm very happy that we have outsourced our food and life support to contractors- it frees up troops for missions that now-a-days can run the risk of being undermanned (base security, supply lines, etc aren't MOSs). However, with PMCs, that's something that is teetering on the line. For one, most PMCs run a "for-profit" game with the companies that hire them (good for them, great business model, bad for independent companies that hire them), and usually get away with it on the state dept. contracts too. For instance: Haliburton Oil execs need protection while in Iraq. US Army doesn't provide those services, in fact, the Secretary of Energy doesn't even get that, they have to hire PMC security to protect them. So, Haliburton hires Dynacorp to provide eight highly trained, well equipped guards, 2 armored SUVs, and they'll work 10 days. Here's where it gets fishy. Dynacorp Security charges $600/day (not exact figure but close) per man and pays each man $300/day (profit DSC: $300/person/day). Then factor in vehicle operating cost, meal costs, and planning and you're looking at about $2500/day- for ten days that's a $25,000 contract.
Other side of the coin. If .mil ran protection operations for company execs it would cost: $80-175 per soldier, per day. They already have weapons, vehicles and armor, so the overall contract would probably only run about $7000 for a ten day protective detail provided by Uncle Sam.
Here's where the problem lies: Soldiers cannot be tasked for private security operations. They're too busy with other stuff. The only protective security the US Army provides is for their own, and for people like the SecDef. Other than that, you are forced to use these PMCs who know what their operating costs are, who know how to make a profit, and take advantage of state dept and private corporations lack of knowledge on how much they'll cost to employ. It's an ugly business, but PMCs today are not only necessary, but they also provide great opportunity if done right. Example of done wrong: Blackwater- they had very little or no leash from US State Dept, DoD, and accountability was almost nothing. They could almost do whatever they wanted and violated the international rules concerning private contractors (no offensive operations or postures, they're only allowed to defend themselves).
I may not agree 100%, but given that I was offered a job (but need surgery and to get back in to shape whenever I get said surgery ????) by 2 PMCs to work in Afghanistan for over $210,000/yr, I really can't say that they're "bad." They just need to be regulated a little better and made to follow the rules.
funkfool
10-07-2011, 15:45
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More info
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Zundfolge
10-07-2011, 15:56
My point was more that American citizens would have gotten a lot more mileage out of infrastructure than our foray into nation building in a country with the political fault lines Iraq has.
Maybe so, maybe not ... had we not gone into Afghanistan and/or Iraq maybe Al Queda's resources wouldn't have been stretched so thin and a suitcase nuke or some of Saddam's chemical weapons could have ended up in Manhattan, LA or DC in which case I don't think you could make the case that we'd be better off with some freshly paved tarmac or a shiny new bridge in Ohio.
Byte Stryke
10-07-2011, 18:48
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watch, debate
tmleadr03
10-07-2011, 19:25
I don't understand why so many of you guys like #1.
All that trade protectionism does is increase the cost of items we want/need and reduce markets for American companies around the world.
Neither of those things helps the US economy.
Some of y'all need to read more Thomas Sowell (in particular Basic Economics and Applied Economics). For the quick answer, go here (http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2011/01/11/lets-learn-economics-using-videos-from-thomas-sowell/) and watch clip #4.
Better yet I'll embed it:
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But do go back and watch the other videos. Then go buy the books and read them.
Every one should read his books. Great knowledge in them.
tmleadr03
10-07-2011, 19:27
I still don't understand what the obsession is with some of you guys and tariffs.
Which imports get tarrifs levied on them?
How much will the tarrifs be?
Who gets to decide?
How long will they last?
If you don't think that imposing tarrifs will just be another way the government will use taxes to try to encourage certain behaviors you're kidding yourself.
Instead of levying tarrifs to make up for our trade disadvantages, why don't we get rid of the unnecessary and/or unconstitutional laws and regulations that put us at a disadvantage in the first place?
And yes, I do want everybody to earn $0.50 an hour, lower everybody's standard of living, want people to be worked like slaves, etc. I just can't imagine how anybody would ever to be able to make a decent living without the government's help. /sarcasm
At least congress has authority to levy tarrifs IAW Article 1, Section 8. The rest of the list of demands shows total constitutional and economic ignorance. The list actually sounds a lot like the 10 pillars of communism.
What really kills me is how many deny what the result of Smoot-Hawley was.
I LOVE THIS LIST!
Demand 14: MAGIC! MOAR MAGIC!
Demand 15: EVEN MORE MAGIC! AND MONEY TREES, which get jobs, or something.
To think I was worried these holligans would get something done, just give them a pack of gum, it should keep them busy for a few years, or at least stationary, I doubt they could walk and handle GUM!
mevshooter
10-07-2011, 21:59
I LOVE THIS LIST!
Demand 14: MAGIC! MOAR MAGIC!
Demand 15: EVEN MORE MAGIC! AND MONEY TREES, which get jobs, or something.
To think I was worried these holligans would get something done, just give them a pack of gum, it should keep them busy for a few years, or at least stationary, I doubt they could walk and handle GUM!
[ROFL3]
YES!
onedeadpirate
10-07-2011, 22:25
watch, debate
So far the only thing I have heard or seen out of this whole.... whatever it is that makes any sense. I am doubting that most of the other protestors even know what he is talking about.
tFz1VVXsWRU
watch, debate
there is no debate, the guys a fuckin' idiot.
pardon my french.
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