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it could get interesting.... I say shut them all down, in every state. it has become a corrupt and flawed system imho.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44806723/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/calif-pot-dispensaries-told-feds-shut-down?gt1=43001
stevelkinevil
10-06-2011, 17:15
Frankly I disagree, I don't smoke the stuff myself but as in everything the damned federal govt. needs to keep their damn filthy noses out of it, this is just another example of the fed wielding power the constitution does not grant them over the states. Further after years in law enforcement I can tell you pot heads are by and large harmless, especially when compared to drunks.
jackthewall81
10-06-2011, 17:18
Frankly I disagree, I don't smoke the stuff myself but as in everything the damned federal govt. needs to keep their damn filthy noses out of it, this is just another example of the fed wielding power the constitution does not grant them over the states. Further after years in law enforcement I can tell you pot heads are by and large harmless, especially when compared to drunks.
jhood001
10-06-2011, 17:25
I'd rather see these places in business and generating jobs, money and taxes instead of seeing the same money that WILL be spent, whether they're in business or not, from going to mexican drug cartels.
The feds needs to piss off on this weed stuff already.
The really sad part? There is ALREADY a mechanism in place for the Feds to issue tax stamps to marijuana growers and vendors.
Marihuana Tax Act of 1937 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937)
http://www.milwaukeephilatelic.org/HenakHome/FedTax.JPG
They could EASILY make this a working tax, and save billions in drug enforcement. But that doesn't suit their goals. I see this becoming a focal point in the coming challenges to the Bill of rights, particularly the First, Second, Fourth, and Tenth Amendments.
Drilldov2.0
10-06-2011, 18:27
Sorry feds, but go fuck yourselves and your over-reaching unconstitutional authority. You sue states trying to enforce Federal law and now go after dispensaries operating legally? Who the fuck do you think you are? Go back to DC and do your jobs assholes.
Inspector Fowler
10-06-2011, 19:07
What is also funny about this to me is that the huge explosion in medical marijuana permit holders only happened after the Obama administration declared publicly that it wouldn't punish the users under federal law if they were following their state MMJ laws. The CDPHE told us that they went from roughly 90 permits applications a week to over 1200 a day within a few months of this happening.
Now they want to reverse that? Sorry, guys, you let the horse out of the barn. That horse is in the next county now, you'll have to figure out something else.
jerrymrc
10-06-2011, 19:16
Frankly I disagree, I don't smoke the stuff myself but as in everything the damned federal govt. needs to keep their damn filthy noses out of it, this is just another example of the fed wielding power the constitution does not grant them over the states. Further after years in law enforcement I can tell you pot heads are by and large harmless, especially when compared to drunks.
And then there is this.
"They have the asset forfeiture, and that means either the federal government will own a lot of property or these landlords will evict a lot of dispensaries."
Always follow the $$$ Just tax the crap out of it and be done with it. It seems like allot of resources being spent on it. I am 53 and honestly thought that by now (with the way things were going in the 60's-70's) it would be legal by now. And although I do not partake I just don't understand. Like Steve said it is not like the stoner down the street is going to do anything.
Might hit ya up for a bag of Doritos or a diet Mt dew. [Coffee]
Byte Stryke
10-06-2011, 20:10
The United States has ceased to be... now its is just the federal government, the states only have minimal self governance anymore.
Always follow the $$$ Just tax the crap out of it and be done with it.
WHY? Would someone PLEASE explain this mind set to me? Why is it okay to "tax the crap" out of ANYTHING?
tmleadr03
10-06-2011, 20:59
Prohibition did nothing but push it underground. How is it any different with this? Not to mention this is not a federal matter but a states rights issue.
Byte Stryke
10-06-2011, 21:15
Not to mention this is not a federal matter but a states rights issue.
THIS
I firmly believe that a state may add to the rights of the people as granted by the constitution of the United states, but not detract from it.
So if the State wants to allow people walk about nude... so be it, it's not the feds place to intervene.
hang on. we are supposed to be for freedom. aren't we tired of an oppressive government? aren't we tired of the extra burdens, laws and hurdles we have to jump through to enjoy freedoms?
marijuana is a natural substance. I have honestly never tried it, but that doesn't mean I want it to be illegal. That is the same type of thinking non-gun owners have about our freedoms. sure, marijuana isn't written into the constitution, but it shouldn't have to be.
I would like to see all states get their rights back. they can control what happens in their state...if people don't like it, they can move states but still live in the greatest country.
That same type of thinking is also what we are hoping for when it comes to firearms. the feds shouldn't have absolute control over this. If firearms are made in colorado and sold to colorado citizens to be used in colorado, there should be no federal intervention of any type.
The difference between that example and the states rights with marijuana is proof of production. You can't stamp every leaf, every plant and every cigarette with where it was grown, but you can with a firearm. There is proof it was made in that state for use by that states citizens.
I think marijuana needs to be taxed, but ALL of the tax money, every single penny needs to go toward substance abuse education, public school education, even college tuition reduction. Some money can go to the enforcement agency as well. I think of it like the DOW. all our license fees go back to the wildlife and those who enjoy the outdoors and the officers who keep things in line.
Sharpienads
10-07-2011, 00:39
Good job, Kommiefornia. You push for big federal government, and it turns out when you get that big government, you don't get to do what you want to do!!!
It's not effing rocket science!
more taxes is the last thing the federal government should get, regardless of the source.
Bailey Guns
10-07-2011, 04:57
WHY? Would someone PLEASE explain this mind set to me? Why is it okay to "tax the crap" out of ANYTHING?
It isn't OK. It's flawed thinking and that's part of the problem with our society.
It's like saying, "Make the rich pay their fair share. Raise taxes on the rich to help get us outta this mess."
Well, they do pay their fair share. And the rich didn't spend us into oblivion...the congress did.
I say tax congressional and presidential salaries at 100%.
Lex_Luthor
10-07-2011, 08:29
Well said Bailey. Chop the 'head' off of this problem. Fire them ALL, change the rules, and get some people in there who are going to do something, not just scratch each others' backs.
palepainter
10-07-2011, 08:57
The federal govt needs to step down. The states need to be the ones to benefit by the act of taxing the medical marijuana industry, not the fed.
They can kiss my ass.
I seem to remember a tax like this on a similar leaf sparking the American Revolution. I don't care either way. Pot no pot it won't change my day one bit. Although, I won't get to make fun of a dumb ass that crashes a car and test positive for pot and says its ok they have a card. Booze is even more legal but you can't be under the influence of it and drive. You're still fired.
We are not free and until we change the culture of ruin that the government is in they will continue to tax something out of existence finding something wrong with it. And then move on to the next thing until its gone. They just think that there will always be something to destroy when there won't in fact it can't last forever.
BPTactical
10-07-2011, 10:11
Anybody here a mathematician?
Add this up:
Recent open letter to FFL's regarding MMJ and firearms purchasing.
+
Recent Federal announcement regarding shutdown of MMJ dispensaries.
-
2008 letter from DOJ regarding MMJ as "lowest priority.
And the sum is?
Lobbyists have been saying it for years, and I don't think many lawmakers are listening -mainly because they're fucking dumb- but who's dumber? Them or us for electing them? MMJ that is grown in CA/CO/MT whatever state has it legal, it comes from that state to be sold to patients in that state. I know growers- they live and work in CO, they sell their product to CO dispensaries and the money stays in CO and the US. Now, make it illegal and who the hell knows where the product is coming from (could be Mexico...) and we can guess where the money goes. Regulatory action is the best- even if it's a harmful substance (like Cocaine), if you were to regulate the import, distribution, sale, and taxation it is 300% more profitable, and 1000% safer. You draw up regulations on how pot is grown, who can grow (much like who can brew beer or distill alcohol), fees and taxes, and who can sell and there you go! You won't run the risk of getting some ditch weed from a Mexican source that may or may not be laced with PCP, or you won't risk the income generated going back into Mexico to fuel some cartel. Not everyone agrees with it, but people are still going to buy and use the stuff weather it's legal or not, so why not make it so the money stays put instead of lining the pocket of some thug in another country.
Delfuego
10-07-2011, 11:04
but who's dumber? Them or us for electing them?Us... For not voting them out, and especially us for voting against our on best interest.
ShooterJM
10-07-2011, 14:21
Anybody here a mathematician?
Add this up:
Recent open letter to FFL's regarding MMJ and firearms purchasing.
+
Recent Federal announcement regarding shutdown of MMJ dispensaries.
-
2008 letter from DOJ regarding MMJ as "lowest priority.
And the sum is?
I know I know! "Forfeited" assets, (gov't cash grab)
stevelkinevil
10-07-2011, 15:09
I know I know! "Forfeited" assets, (gov't cash grab)
Someones gotta pay for all the interest to the FED and the lawmakers salary's and expense accounts and.............
Nothing is more frightening than a broke and desperate government, this is how Tyrants are made folks.
Maybe someone should take it to court. Nothing is more out of bounds from Federal control than a state issue. If it was grown, sold and used in Colorado. It will be just like the Montana state gun bill that the nancy boys in that state watered down before passing.
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