View Full Version : If you are convicted of a felony.....
hunterhawk
10-07-2011, 23:18
I was wondering if you have a ccw and you either commit a felony or if you are involved in a DV case... and CONVICTED do they take away your ccw?
The reason I ask is because when I get on here and go to sell handguns I always feel like i want to go through a dealer for my peace of mind that i am not selling to a scumbag... or at least someone that isnt convited of a felony and or cant own a gun legally...
always makes me wonder... so i was thinking maybe i would just ask to see their drivers license and a ccw card... but was wondering if they actually get taken away or just become "invalid"
not sure who would know this question but it would be great if someone had some insight on the subject!
thanks,
Craig
Absolutely they do. Felons cannot own a firearm, and therefore have no reason to have a CCW.
yep, it would be taken.
private face to face transactions to residents only require you to verify residency. Obviously if you have a serious issue with selling something to the guy...use your best judgement and trust your gut.
also, check the feedback on here. if the person has been around long enough you can see what others say about them.
68Charger
10-07-2011, 23:32
but was wondering if they actually get taken away or just become "invalid"
It's up to each county- but in Fremont county, they make it very clear the card belongs to THEM- it's not yours to keep.
Seems a bit offensive on the surface, but that's because of lawyers- they have to retain ownership to be able to retrieve it legally. And they will.
hunterhawk
10-07-2011, 23:34
yeah I have done the whole searching of what you need.. I have sold 1 gun on here before and just did the question asking and asked to see his id and sold the gun... made me feel better that he was questioning the law here a little while back too :) so i must have done something correctly!
I just wonder who actually takes it...
if i can find this answer for certain i would be more likely just to ask to see their id and there ccw card.... i know thats more than you have to do... but it would sure make me feel better and that's all that really matters to me
hunterhawk
10-07-2011, 23:36
oh for the love.... who can edit the convicted part in my title so i don't look like a complete moron!
Nobody, you will look like one forever
[Beer]
jhood001
10-07-2011, 23:38
As far as I know, there is no penalty for not turning in a revoked CCW card, nor is there much effort put into recovering such a card in the case that the card is revoked.
Unless you call the issuing county's Sheriff's Department and validate the permit at the point of sale, it is essentially just another piece of plastic in a wallet.
For me, seeing a CCW permit is enough. It certainly isn't a guarantee that the person holding it isn't a scumbag, but in my experience, people willing to put money, time, and effort into anything generally aren't the sort of people I worry about.
I'd like to see an LEO weigh in on this.
Nobody, you will look like one forever
[Beer]
yep, thats a fact.[Tooth]
hunterhawk
10-07-2011, 23:44
Nobody, you will look like one forever
[Beer]
haha well in that case one of these guys are in order... and i found a couple that will work [UZI][Bang]
hunterhawk
10-07-2011, 23:47
As far as I know, there is no penalty for not turning in a revoked CCW card, nor is there much effort put into recovering such a card in the case that the card is revoked.
Unless you call the issuing county's Sheriff's Department and validate the permit at the point of sale, it is essentially just another piece of plastic in a wallet.
For me, seeing a CCW permit is enough. It certainly isn't a guarantee that the person holding it isn't a scumbag, but in my experience, people willing to put money, time, and effort into anything generally aren't the sort of people I worry about.
I'd like to see an LEO weigh in on this.
I can tell you right now it isnt a LEO who takes it..... its not like your drivers license when they refuse everything....
it's either done through the courts or possibly an admin building person in a sheriffs office i guess who might send them a letter saying that have to return it.... hmmmm
hunterhawk
10-08-2011, 00:22
and for the record i just looked on the back of the card and it says that any law enforcement officer who believes that the holder of this permit is in violation of crs 18-12-203 can confiscate it... but im telling you right now they dont confiscate them... because they arent thinking about that at the time of arrest if they are arresting for dv or a felony.... they are thinking about the elements of the crime and all of that for their report....
ok going to bed... hopefully someone can verify this for me
sometimesright
10-08-2011, 00:30
Certainly no expert here (not an attorney nor do I play one on TV, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night) but I seem to recall hearing something about this specific issue possibly related to why some Sheriffs preferred the idea of the database (no intention to start a discussion as to the positives and negatives of that - only mentioning it as one perspective in that thorny debate).
Due to some of the logistical issues with tracking and recovering cards, my guess is that some of those with the responsibility for issuing the cards could quickly and easily let other LE agencies know if someone was no longer to have their card due to a new conviction, etc. Personally I would like a peek at a CCW, but I am also aware that there is a chance (however remote) that the card an individual has may be invalid.
OneGuy67
10-08-2011, 16:20
The cards can be seized by any LEO and returned to the issuing S.O. Also, the issuing S.O. can be notified of any arresting/pending charges if the officer decides to.
On CCIC, there is a query ability and when it comes time to renew a person's card, they can be searched both through the criminal history database for arrests as well as the query history for contacts.
islandermyk
10-08-2011, 16:32
So here's a question to go with this.
A person who is convicted of a felon or has some issue owning a firearm legally is aware of his status having a firearm of any sort would put him in deeper kaka and still pursues to buy a firearm by private seller... would the private seller (unaware of the individual's status) get in trouble for selling a firearm to this individual?
So here's a question to go with this.
A person who is convicted of a felon or has some issue owning a firearm legally is aware of his status having a firearm of any sort would put him in deeper kaka and still pursues to buy a firearm by private seller... would the private seller (unaware of the individual's status) get in trouble for selling a firearm to this individual?
not without reasonable knowledge that he is a turd. I belive that is how the law is written.
islandermyk
10-08-2011, 16:37
not without reasonable knowledge that he is a turd. I belive that is how the law is written.
I see... So along with taking a look at the buyer's ID/CCW would it be wise to ask if the buyer is able to legally own a firearm... or is that going a little to far and seeing the ID/CCW is good enough?
I see... So along with taking a look at the buyer's ID/CCW would it be wise to ask if the buyer is able to legally own a firearm... or is that going a little to far and seeing the ID/CCW is good enough?
I dont even ask for an id if the car they pull up in has colo. plates, and I cant see their underwear or a sideways hat when they get out of the car.[Tooth]
islandermyk
10-08-2011, 16:43
I dont even ask for an id if the car they pull up in has colo. plates, and I cant see their underwear or a sideways hat when they get out of the car.[Tooth]
+1 to that[Coffee], thanks[Beer]
It's up to each county- but in Fremont county, they make it very clear the card belongs to THEM- it's not yours to keep.
Seems a bit offensive on the surface, but that's because of lawyers- they have to retain ownership to be able to retrieve it legally. And they will.
Its the same in Larimer county. If you're convicted of certain crimes, you MUST surrender your CCW.
[Driver][PoPo]
Zundfolge
10-08-2011, 17:33
If you're convicted of certain crimes, you MUST surrender your CCW.
Its my understanding that in some jurisdictions if you are CHARGED with a felony you'll get a letter in the mail requesting you send in your CCW.
SideShow Bob
10-08-2011, 18:12
If you get convicted of a felony, they should tattoo Felon across your forehead.
OneGuy67
10-08-2011, 21:52
18-12-111. Unlawful purchase of firearms. (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=query&iid=42275ff9.7319fc62.0.0&q=%5BGroup%20%2718-12-111%27%5D)
(1) Any person who knowingly purchases or otherwise obtains a firearm on behalf of or for transfer to a person who the transferor knows or reasonably should know is ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to federal or state law commits a class 4 felony.
jerrymrc
10-09-2011, 05:59
oh for the love.... who can edit the convicted part in my title so i don't look like a complete moron!
Done. [Coffee]
Byte Stryke
10-09-2011, 09:02
I Usually just ask, "Is there any reason you cannot legally own or posses a firearm?" coupled with seeing a CO ID with their picture.
all that's really required plus a little.
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