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alan0269
10-09-2011, 08:53
There are several things lately that are really starting to piss me off about the trading post sections.
To start off with, how hard is it to read the rules for posting there? Apparently, it's pretty darn hard to do, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense since in order to get information from this site (as with most websites) you need to be at least minimally literate. However, people still are creating enough issues with not following the rules that the mods are now thinking of raising the minimum post count to be able to post in these areas.
Second, for those of you mod wanna be sorts out there, if someone posts a want to TRADE ad, they are not required by site rules to post a price with it (this stems from a recent post I made wanting to TRADE a certain firearm for another certain, listed firearm that is from the same manufacturer and has the same value as the one I had). I received three emails from people telling me that I MUST post a price in my ad, none of them are mods from the site. Two of the emails were actually pretty nasty, one of them included a personal attack to my lack of intelligence for not posting a price. I've seen this subject covered many times, some of them by actual mods for the site, and it has been clarified that if you post something for SALE you must post a price, but you are not required to post a price for a want to TRADE ad. I don't have an issue with someone asking on a trade ad if there is a cash price because they would rather purchase the item than trade for it, but respect the poster of the ad if they would prefer to only trade - their item, their choice!
People that state they'll take an item, without any disclaimers when they say so, but then when you meet them, they try to haggle on price. I woudn't have an issue witht his if the item they are purchasing is not in the condition listed in the ad, but I've had this happen twice in the last couple months where both people said the item was in better condition than I stated in the ad. If you want to haggle over price, don't say you'll take, have me drive 40 miles out of my way, tell me my item is in better condition than described, then ask for a better deal. Be a person of integrity and stand by your "I'll take it", or don't put it in those terms. If you want to haggle, let it be known up front that you are interested, but that you may want a better deal.
It's also pretty pathetic that people are posting used items at prices that are higher than you are able to walk into a local shop and purchase the same item new! Whatever, that's your decision, and if someone is willing to pay what you're asking that's their problem not mine. Hell, if you have no idea what your used firearm is worth, go to GB and look at the auctions that have ended, find the items that actually sold (not just what people were asking for them), and price your item accordingly. That or if you're going to be doing a lot of selling/trading invest in a book that provides current gun values.
There are other things that have been annoying there lately, but those are the big ones. I don't really care if you have pictures posted of the item (or if you post a stock picture), if I want to see pictures I'll ask, and if you don't have any, I'll make any deal contingent on inspection of the item prior to the deal being finalized. I'm personally fed up to the point that I've made the decision to no longer post in the trading post areas. I may still check out the other ads there to see if anyone has something I need at a reasonable price, but I'm to the point that I'd rather post anything I have for sale or trade on cologunmarket or armslist and deal with the BS there.
There are a lot of great people on this site, many of whom I've met through the trading post area, but there is also a high level of people lately that make it easy to understand why the mods have started looking at the trading post as more of a nuisance to them than a positive area.
I understand your frustration, and there have been many times that I have felt the same way. What you are describing are the same problems associated with any FSBO site that is in operation. As a seller I just assume that the person buying my item will act just as you described and make my life a living hell. I make sure that everything is worked out prior to me committing to a sale and going out of my way to meet them including all negotiation points for the sale.
The only reason that the trading post has the good deals that it has is because there are people out there that don't know/care what they are selling, or just want to sell something quick. If everyone knew what something is worth to everyone else we would all just go to the store to get it. This also leads to people not following up on ads or not answering PM's, but that is the name of the game for a quest for a good deal.
The point where we are at now is bad though. When it becomes this much of a burden on the mods those of us here with good intention to follow rules and learn the way of the site will be the ones who suffer for the illiterate who are causing the problem. I love the trading post, but if I were the one to regulate I am sure it would be a different story. Sorry to hear that you are so fed up with it. Hopefully some changes will come about that make it an enjoyable place to buy/sell again.
No sh*t Alan!
"WTT: blah blah"
-OP: "I have blah blah ft and I'm lookin' for blahblahblah or a blah"
-Dbag1: "cash price?" <- coulda pm'd but nooooo.
-OP: "PM me with an offer - worst I can say is No."
-Dbag2: " You must post a price per forum rulez!!!1!"
I'm no expert but I think we are dealing with the same b.s. as the dodge srt boards I belong to, IE the price of ar's and most weapons are coming down so the common idiot and young kid can now afford them, hince the lack of respect and knowledge that comes with youth (even though they think they know it all). thats just my .2 worth. maby its just liberal plants here to shake things up? [Coffee]
Second, for those of you mod wanna be sorts out there, if someone posts a want to TRADE ad, they are not required by site rules to post a price with it (this stems from a recent post I made wanting to TRADE a certain firearm for another certain, listed firearm that is from the same manufacturer and has the same value as the one I had). I received three emails from people telling me that I MUST post a price in my ad, none of them are mods from the site. Two of the emails were actually pretty nasty, one of them included a personal attack to my lack of intelligence for not posting a price. I've seen this subject covered many times, some of them by actual mods for the site, and it has been clarified that if you post something for SALE you must post a price, but you are not required to post a price for a want to TRADE ad. I don't have an issue with someone asking on a trade ad if there is a cash price because they would rather purchase the item than trade for it, but respect the poster of the ad if they would prefer to only trade - their item, their choice!
This is a pet peeve of mine as well. I guess I am just a bartering kind of guy. If I post a rifle of mine and am looking to trade it for a handgun, and you have a handgun you are willing to trade me for my rifle then it sounds like we would both be getting something we wanted. If not, move on. There are no rules regarding a price for something that is not for sale. Maybe those who interject wanting a price should read the rules themselves first. Now, if the item is for trade or sale it does need a price for those who would wish to buy it.
I thought the common idiot/kid always had the financial ability to own a neon???
Hell, I can go dig in my wallet and go buy on right now. [Coffee]
Eggysrun
10-09-2011, 09:32
I've been lucky enough to have some positive transactions here. All the negotiations done here online, no haggling when we met and things went smooth.
Now armslist...well I've had one guy haggle but his wife was lurking around so I'm sure she was pressuring him. You know how women can be lol.
AirbornePathogen
10-09-2011, 09:34
My rules of thumb on the trading post:
1. I have READ AND UNDERSTAND THE SITE RULES.
2. I don't nitpick on other guys' posts. That's the mods' job. If they got some of their info wrong or something of that nature, I PM them and tactfully point it out.
3. I don't hesitate to pay asking price if it's fair or more than fair. If the post says OBO, I may make a REASONABLE offer. I DON'T LOWBALL.
4. If the post has specific trades only, and I don't have what they want, I leave it alone. If they say to ask about trades, and I have something I think they may be interested in, I ask.
5. I don't say "I'll take it," unless I know I have the money/trade, and any other terms are agreeable to me.
6. I make every effort to accommodate the seller, including driving out of my way, etc. I've driven to Larkspur for a deal- the deal I got on those mags was worth it.
7. I keep my word. Once a deal is worked out, I honor it. Things come up and meets may have to be rescheduled, but once I've said "I'll take it for $X," and the seller has agreed, any chance to haggle is over. I pay what I said I'll pay.
Pretty common sense/common courtesy stuff, IMHO. Haven't dealt with anyone off of Armslist, but I would MUCH rather deal on here than Craigslist, for reasons we all know. Following these rules, I've gotten some great deals on great gear, and met some awesome guys. Just my $0.02...
I thought the common idiot/kid always had the financial ability to own a neon???
Hell, I can go dig in my wallet and go buy on right now. [Coffee]
dont know about the neon but I was refering to the lx platform, that cost as much as a house when new, but now are coming down to less than 20k. hell I have more in my motor than half of the cars here in town are worth. the 6.1 is not a cheap thing to work on.
My rules of thumb on the trading post:
1. I have READ AND UNDERSTAND THE SITE RULES.
2. I don't nitpick on other guys' posts. That's the mods' job. If they got some of their info wrong or something of that nature, I PM them and tactfully point it out.
3. I don't hesitate to pay asking price if it's fair or more than fair. If the post says OBO, I may make a REASONABLE offer. I DON'T LOWBALL.
4. If the post has specific trades only, and I don't have what they want, I leave it alone. If they say to ask about trades, and I have something I think they may be interested in, I ask.
5. I don't say "I'll take it," unless I know I have the money/trade, and any other terms are agreeable to me.
6. I make every effort to accommodate the seller, including driving out of my way, etc. I've driven to Larkspur for a deal- the deal I got on those mags was worth it.
7. I keep my word. Once a deal is worked out, I honor it. Things come up and meets may have to be rescheduled, but once I've said "I'll take it for $X," and the seller has agreed, any chance to haggle is over. I pay what I said I'll pay.
Pretty common sense/common courtesy stuff, IMHO. Haven't dealt with anyone off of Armslist, but I would MUCH rather deal on here than Craigslist, for reasons we all know. Following these rules, I've gotten some great deals on great gear, and met some awesome guys. Just my $0.02...
This, exactly. Sounds like you and I are cut from the same mold.
I thought the common idiot/kid always had the financial ability to own a neon???
Hell, I can go dig in my wallet and go buy on right now. [Coffee]
Moneybags. [Coffee]
I'm 40 years old and I can't afford a Neon.
This, exactly. Sounds like you and I are cut from the same mold.
What if he bite his toe nails?
What if he bite his toe nails?
Doesn't everybody? [ROFL1]
BPTactical
10-09-2011, 09:45
My rules of thumb on the trading post:
1. I have READ AND UNDERSTAND THE SITE RULES.
2. I don't nitpick on other guys' posts. That's the mods' job. If they got some of their info wrong or something of that nature, I PM them and tactfully point it out.
3. I don't hesitate to pay asking price if it's fair or more than fair. If the post says OBO, I may make a REASONABLE offer. I DON'T LOWBALL.
4. If the post has specific trades only, and I don't have what they want, I leave it alone. If they say to ask about trades, and I have something I think they may be interested in, I ask.
5. I don't say "I'll take it," unless I know I have the money/trade, and any other terms are agreeable to me.
6. I make every effort to accommodate the seller, including driving out of my way, etc. I've driven to Larkspur for a deal- the deal I got on those mags was worth it.
7. I keep my word. Once a deal is worked out, I honor it. Things come up and meets may have to be rescheduled, but once I've said "I'll take it for $X," and the seller has agreed, any chance to haggle is over. I pay what I said I'll pay.
Pretty common sense/common courtesy stuff, IMHO. Haven't dealt with anyone off of Armslist, but I would MUCH rather deal on here than Craigslist, for reasons we all know. Following these rules, I've gotten some great deals on great gear, and met some awesome guys. Just my $0.02...
Good post.
I feel it all boils down to integrity both on the purchaser and sellers behalf.
Doesn't everybody? [ROFL1]
That's bad m'kay!! [LOL]
Good post.
I feel it all boils down to integrity both on the purchaser and sellers behalf.
yep, I've even bought stuff I said I'd take even after going and seeing it and it was not what I wanted, but I said I'd take it so I did. on the other hand I was selling a carbon-15 bushmaster and after driving a hundred miles, and the guy saying he thought it was carbon fiber, not plastic he changed his mind. and several will you take less for it? after wasting 40 bucks in gas and it was better than I said it was. I know the feeling.
Moneybags. [Coffee]
I'm 40 years old and I can't afford a Neon.
Btw, we're talking very used. [Tooth]
ChunkyMonkey
10-09-2011, 10:15
http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd230170/3uiYP.gif
Piss off, newbs! [Coffee]
AirbornePathogen
10-09-2011, 10:16
What if he bite his toe nails?
I'm not that flexible.
[ROFL1]
There are several things lately that are really starting to piss me off about the trading post sections.
I'm sorry but you don't have a high enough post count to be pissed off yet. [Coffee]
mevshooter
10-09-2011, 10:58
I agree with what you guys are saying, HOWEVER, I've seen at least 10 ads where Mods have stepped in and said "either it is for sale, for trade, or for both. You can't list something for trade and then say 'send me a cash offer.'
If you are accepting cash, then you are supposed to post a cash value. That is in the rules we all agreed to.
Just putting "OBO cash, shoot me an offer" is, in and of itself, against those rules.
But I definitely hear you on the rest of the postings.
I agree with what you guys are saying, HOWEVER, I've seen at least 10 ads where Mods have stepped in and said "either it is for sale, for trade, or for both. You can't list something for trade and then say 'send me a cash offer.'
If you are accepting cash, then you are supposed to post a cash value. That is in the rules we all agreed to.
Just putting "OBO cash, shoot me an offer" is, in and of itself, against those rules.
But I definitely hear you on the rest of the postings.
(If asked) Why the hell not? Just about everything I own has a cash price on it. A trade's a trade but money most certainly talks given the right value and if it's on the chopping block you can bet your ass it already has a cash value. Just make a reasonable offer - nothings stopping ya...that's all I'm saying.
sneakerd
10-09-2011, 11:20
Not trying to be a downer, but aren't these all of the same complaints that we hear in every single one of these "trading post rants"? Does anybody reeeally think that these issues can be solved? We're always going to have people who don't follow up on deals, some for good reaon, some not. We're always going to have people looking for a better deal, we're always going to have a difference of opinion over value. Is this thread simply therapeutic?[Sofa]
rulez are because some ass hats cant figure out how to be responsible/grown up about posting something for sale/trade and/or those that want.
same reason we got mods here.. some people just can't play nice with each other.
for the majority of people here, there isn't a problem (thank you) :)
.... it's the occasional assholes that show up.
Nice guy? ok, hi, howya doin? [Coffee]
asshole? I will punt your ass from this site and not think twice about it. [Kick2]
Thanks to all the people who make this a nice place [Beer]
mevshooter
10-09-2011, 11:39
(If asked) Why the hell not? Just about everything I own has a cash price on it. A trade's a trade but money most certainly talks given the right value and if it's on the chopping block you can bet your ass it already has a cash value. Just make a reasonable offer - nothings stopping ya...that's all I'm saying.
Because it is IN THE RULES that everyone agreed to.
This isn't a matter of personal prerogative, it is a rule.
I thought the common idiot/kid always had the financial ability to own a neon???
Hell, I can go dig in my wallet and go buy on right now. [Coffee]
i have three just to look at. traded a brick of .22 for each of them.[Tooth]
Post count does not guarantee that a poster:
1. Can read, comprehend and follow posted rules.
2. Posesses honor, intergrity and a sense of fairness.
Sorry- all the post count restrictions or length of membership requirements don't even begin to insure those to basic facts.
Complaining about the bad behavior of others is not going to fix the problem. You have at least three choices:
1. You eliminate the problem entirely- you get rid of the sale boards.
2. You take the nuclear option- ban anyone who violates the rules- once, twice three times- you choose.
3. We put our big boy pants on and act like adults. You don't have to do business with someone that violates the posted rules. There is nothing I want so badly that I will tolerate bad behavior on the part of others to obtain. If someone lowballs you, simply pm them and tell them so- no drama, no insults, no getting angry, simply thanks but no thanks- that offer is unreasonably low. Bye, don't call again. Make sure the deal terms are in a pm or email- not verbally on the phone- this is an internet website after all. If you show up at a FTF and a member wants to renegotiate terms, simply say thanks,but no thanks- our deal was XYZ and I was relying on your intergrity. Sell it to someone else.
If a member is insulting, rude or outright hostile or threatening in any communication, report it and the mods can take action.
Take the moral high ground here and hold it.
If I missed something feel free to point it out.
Post count does not guarantee that a poster:
1. Can read, comprehend and follow posted rules.
2. Posesses honor, intergrity and a sense of fairness.
Sorry- all the post count restrictions or length of membership requirements don't even begin to insure those to basic facts.
Complaining about the bad behavior of others is not going to fix the problem. You have at least three choices:
1. You eliminate the problem entirely- you get rid of the sale boards.
2. You take the nuclear option- ban anyone who violates the rules- once, twice three times- you choose.
3. We put our big boy pants on and act like adults. You don't have to do business with someone that violates the posted rules. There is nothing I want so badly that I will tolerate bad behavior on the part of others to obtain. If someone lowballs you, simply pm them and tell them so- no drama, no insults, no getting angry, simply thanks but no thanks- that offer is unreasonably low. Bye, don't call again. Make sure the deal terms are in a pm or email- not verbally on the phone- this is an internet website after all. If you show up at a FTF and a member wants to renegotiate terms, simply say thanks,but no thanks- our deal was XYZ and I was relying on your intergrity. Sell it to someone else.
If a member is insulting, rude or outright hostile or threatening in any communication, report it and the mods can take action.
Take the moral high ground here and hold it.
If I missed something feel free to point it out.
[Awesom]
DD977GM2
10-09-2011, 13:21
I posted this in another thread and this is pertinent to what is going on in this thread.
Im personally am irritated with all the MSRP and Brand fucking new prices for a well used and tons of holster wear and is generally a beat up piece of iron or polymer firearm.
If you have shot 1000 rounds out of your pistol, IT IS NOT LNIB. I dont give a damn how many range trips this took and how many damn times you cleaned it after each range trip. It still has had 1000 rounds through it and all that holster wear and knicks are from extensive use. Also if the night sights are dimming, ITS NOT LNIB.
A 1911 that is $1100 MSRP Brand New if your ordered from manufacturer is NOT $1k after you have shot 1k rounds through it and the wear from holstering has taken the finish almost completly off the front part of the barrel and it doesnt even have night sights etc etc etc.
People need to learn how to price things accordingly to how much the firearm was actually used.
DD977GM2
10-09-2011, 13:35
rulez are because some ass hats cant figure out how to be responsible/grown up about posting something for sale/trade and/or those that want.
same reason we got mods here.. some people just can't play nice with each other.
for the majority of people here, there isn't a problem (thank you) :)
.... it's the occasional assholes that show up.
Nice guy? ok, hi, howya doin? [Coffee]
asshole? I will punt your ass from this site and not think twice about it. [Kick2]
Thanks to all the people who make this a nice place [Beer]
Im not an asshole yet am I??[Peep][Sofa][ROFL1]
jerrymrc
10-09-2011, 13:43
The new rules have been put in place. 15 post/30 days for the new people. Any body that is under 30 days right now will NOT be able to see the TP. If you spend your 30 days being nice and make a few posts then all will be reveled on day 31.
We hope that gives a little time for those to read and see what we are about automatically with out us running around playing Cop. [Coffee]
... all will be reviled on day 31.
We hope that gives a little time for those to read and see what we are about automatically with out us running around playing Cop. [Coffee]
Oops-
reviled
▸ adjective: assailed with contemptuous language
[ROFL1] I hope it's a typo.
BlasterBob
10-09-2011, 13:49
When someone has something for TRADE ONLY, it'd really be nice if they would at least place an approximate value on their item so if we are interested in their item, we could see what we may have available of at least a close comparable trade value.
If/when someone is attempting to get rid of ALL of their guns and/or reloading stuff for cash, I can see their point of posting that asking cash price and also possibly listing a little bit higher price if a trade has to be taken in. That little higher trade price could possibly compensate for having to take still another thing back in only to have to get rid of it. Hope that came out right but it takes only a half of a brain to figure the point I'm trying to make.
Every single transaction I have made here in our Trading Post has gone smoothly and if after I were to see that there is a blemish or something minor flaw that was possibly not earlier disclosed with the item that I am getting, I'll still take it at the agreed upon price because I want to maintain keeping my word/commitment. If a man's word isn't worth a shit then that man is not worth a shit.
So, if all the above makes me sound like a grumpy old fart, well I guess that does make me one.[Tooth]
jerrymrc
10-09-2011, 14:14
Oops-
reviled
▸ adjective: assailed with contemptuous language
[ROFL1] I hope it's a typo.
Ya never know. [Coffee]
Will guests also not be able to see the TP? Not sure what we just solved, except for maybe discouraging folks to join. That includes those who might contribute AND those who would not. The only way to change people's behavior is to ignore them. Do not deal with them. As someone said earlier, ".....just put your big boy pants on." That simple......but, rules is rules.
Let the rants begin. [Shake]
jerrymrc
10-09-2011, 14:56
Will guests also not be able to see the TP? Not sure what we just solved, except for maybe discouraging folks to join. That includes those who might contribute AND those who would not. The only way to change people's behavior is to ignore them. Do not deal with them. As someone said earlier, ".....just put your big boy pants on." That simple......but, rules is rules.
Let the rants begin. [Shake]
If the trading post is the only reason someone would join then I know the staff is unanimous in saying tough.
The trading post was an add-on for the members. It was never intended to be the draw for this site.
Ignoring people around here and just letting them do anything and everything would be suicide.[Bang]
If the trading post is the only reason someone would join then I know the staff is unanimous in saying tough.
The trading post was an add-on for the members. It was never intended to be the draw for this site.
Ignoring people around here and just letting them do anything and everything would be suicide.[Bang]
I did not know that. Thank you for the add-on.
Rooskibar03
10-09-2011, 15:59
I for one say good addition to the site rules and set up. If you don't want to be part of the community here, there's always craigslist for buying and selling stuff.
Now if there was only way a for us to make a rule that says if you post something for sale, you also must be willing to respond to posts and PM's in a timely fashion.
I mean WTF, more then 24 hours and no response? If I post something for sale, which I've yet to do here but do lots of elsewhere, and someone asks a question or requests more info I'm Johnny on the spot with a response. (especially if someone says they want to buy my item)
If the trading post is the only reason someone would join then I know the staff is unanimous in saying tough.
The trading post was an add-on for the members. It was never intended to be the draw for this site.
[Bang]
Missing the point. It's the exclusionary aspect of it. Don't think it can be said that newb's are the only ones not following the rules, but that's the perception we are creating. From the perspective of an outsider looking in, that could be construed as elitism. I know this is not an elitist group, but perception can be reality. Put yourself in their shoes. Forget everything you know about this site and many of the fine members and ask yourself if you would want to join in. [Bang]
I just think it's the wrong approach, but I've been wrong before & will most definitly be again. Just my 2 cents.
Bailey Guns
10-09-2011, 16:08
Simple solution. Whenever anyone wants to sell something they MUST:
Run it by me.
I get to set the price.
I get first option to purchase.
I'll be responsible for ensuring proper ad content.That will solve the problem.
[Coffee]
(I guess it's just me, and I don't have to suffer the brain damage of moderating the FS forums, but I just ignore the posts from idiots that don't contain specifics and required information. And it ain't only from noobs.)
sneakerd
10-09-2011, 16:14
Yeah- what he said!!
alan0269
10-09-2011, 16:29
When someone has something for TRADE ONLY, it'd really be nice if they would at least place an approximate value on their item so if we are interested in their item, we could see what we may have available of at least a close comparable trade value.
Agreed, but in the most recent instance I was talking about, I was looking to trade a Glock 26 for a Glock 19. I really don't think that a value needs to be placed on that one. Both are comparable value and I provided plenty of pictures showing the condition of my item.
The frustration that I expressed is not from a one time incident, but rather from a few different recent experiences. Some of the a__hats involved have been newer members, while others have been more "experienced" members. Personally, I don't care any longer if there is an area on the site for selling/trading items as there are other places available that are there just for that purpose. I've really enjoyed this site over the last couple years, but I'm not going to let frustration caused by a few make it to where I don't want to spend time here, hence my decision.
As for the comment that I don't have enough posts to be frustrated, think what you want. I could boost my post count by posting rediculous crap that doesn't really matter to anybody or add the constant +1 posts that are seen on threads, but I choose not to. If I open a thread and have something to add to it, I will, but otherwise if what I'm thinking has already been stated, I don't see the constant need to always repost exactly what someone else said. I also don't see the need to post in a thread that has nothing to do with me just to boost my post count and voice my opinion on something that doesn't mean anything to me. If I have something to say, I will. Otherwise I just move on.
jerrymrc
10-09-2011, 16:50
Missing the point. It's the exclusionary aspect of it. Don't think it can be said that newb's are the only ones not following the rules, but that's the perception we are creating. From the perspective of an outsider looking in, that could be construed as elitism. I know this is not an elitist group, but perception can be reality. Put yourself in their shoes. Forget everything you know about this site and many of the fine members and ask yourself if you would want to join in. [Bang]
I just think it's the wrong approach, but I've been wrong before & will most definitly be again. Just my 2 cents.
You are right. It is not just the noobs that make the mistake. If I take every rule about posting in the WTS and through it out the window and only use the rules from other gun boards (with WTS areas) that I am a member on and some for much longer than this one I am still good to go.
The only rule a couple do not have is a location and since they are nation and some world wide the first question that gets asked is "Where the hell are you?" I have bought and sold gun parts all over the world.
Even when we move out of the firearm world every board that has a WTS section has damn near the same thing. Rules from a non-gun forum;
2. As a subscriber you may not bypass vendor rules. Vendors should keep their listings in the vendors forum.
3. allows auctions for its benefit and for charities it sponsors. No other auctions are permitted, including links to auction sites.
4. The sale of items for others is not allowed.
5. State a price for your item(s). Including an "Or Best Offer" option is also acceptable with a stated price as a starting point.
6. Stay on topic. "Bumping" a thread, or posting encouraging words, is allowed. However, please refrain from criticism of the seller, the asking price, or the product being offered. Bumping by the OP should be within reason, limited to at least 48 hours between "bumps".
7. XX is for buying, selling, trading and wanted-to-buy threads only. It is not for feedback of buyers/sellers, value questions or "feeler" threads. XX has established forums for feedback and value questions, and ''feeler" threads don't belong anywhere on XX
8. No linking to your items for sale, in any other part of the forum.
9.XX is not involved in your deal, any more than a newspaper is in a classified ad. XX makes no warranties of any kind, and payment of any taxes that might be owed to any government is the responsibility of buyer and seller, and never of XX. Not to sound too negative here but unless you live under a rock and have only dealt with Craigslist almost ANY forum of ANY kind on the net has the same basic rules and yet they were tossed out like old garbage and that they did not apply.
When we used to get one a week it was fine. when they got to be 5-6 a day it was stupid. Our old way of being nice and having the time to PM and reply and hold someones hand through a very simple process broke down.
We were short on Mods and many of us were working, going TDY, being called up and for one being put in jail. (don't ask, it was a long time ago) :)
I am trying to give a few some idea of where we were and then what happened. Just as many do not understand what we have been going through we do value your input. That is why I am typing this.
Many asked for a time requirement VS a post count. We listened and you now have a little of both. In the end Many felt to not make the bar too high.In the end the members won out. We knew something had to be done because watching from this side of the fence as a new member furiously types dribble into the Boost your post count section and the next stop is the WTS section (he did not read all the rules anyway and his ad was canned) The other side of the coin was to just do away with the whole WTS area.
I hope this give you a little more insight.
Jerry
Now if there was only way a for us to make a rule that says if you post something for sale, you also must be willing to respond to posts and PM's in a timely fashion.
I mean WTF, more then 24 hours and no response? If I post something for sale, which I've yet to do here but do lots of elsewhere, and someone asks a question or requests more info I'm Johnny on the spot with a response. (especially if someone says they want to buy my item)
While I can agree with you in theory, I am also understanding of the fact that not everyone on here has access to the site around the clock. Some people have jobs, social lives, and occasional unexpected events that might keep them off the computer for a day or two or more. So, while getting a prompt reply is always nice, I am also patient if I don't receive one in what I consider a "timely" manner.
Btw.
Graves/Ray1970 - I think your affordable Neon just got posted in the Non-Firearms forum.
[Beer]
BlasterBob
10-09-2011, 18:08
Agreed, but in the most recent instance I was talking about, I was looking to trade a Glock 26 for a Glock 19. I really don't think that a value needs to be placed on that one. Both are comparable value and I provided plenty of pictures showing the condition of my item.
What I said was not meant to apply to even trades/swaps where the ad states exactly what they wanted to trade for and both items are of the same value.[Beer]
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