View Full Version : Oh emm gee, the Nazi's are back!
No, seriously, they hate jews, they want socialism, and they're bloody organized!!!!
http://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=610&vid=-24709475308599096
Yes a Fox News link, but that doesn't make it any less true- Bernie Goldberg is not synonymous with lies... and you can't deny what a BLACK teacher is saying here! And they called the Tea Party racist... Tea Party supports Cain! A black guy! Next we're going to see jack boots, children going away to "education" camps, and the "Zionist Jews" who run banks and the Federal Reserve being shipped away to "happy camps!" Gentlemen (and ladies) I think now is the time when being the armed citizen will keep you safe.
End the occupation!
brokenscout
10-18-2011, 14:40
If it were a Tea Party member holy crap. It would be on every news channel.
Zundfolge
10-18-2011, 14:41
/me waits for our house lefties to blow gasket.
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(but he's not wrong) (http://anp14.com/news/archives.php?report_date=2011-10-16) <-Warning, link goes to American Nazi Party's web site
DeusExMachina
10-18-2011, 14:43
Seriously, stop posting threads like these. It's painful.
A socialist Nazi? Seriously? You make my head hurt.
There's been plenty of articles about how neo-Nazi groups are attempting to capitalize on Occupy Wall Street by correlating big banks and Jews. Just like the racist element in the Tea Party movement, there are elements that are attempting to corrupt OWS.
Like in Rome, a group of anarchists entered the Occupy Rome crowd and threw molotov cocktails at cars and federal buildings.
It's sad, for sure.
Zundfolge
10-18-2011, 14:48
There's been plenty of articles about how neo-Nazi groups are attempting to capitalize on Occupy Wall Street by correlating big banks and Jews. Just like the racist element in the Tea Party movement, there are elements in OWS that are attempting to corrupt it.
Except that the "racist elements in the Tea Party movement" is a lie told by the left and there really are Communist, Socialist and Fascist organizations BACKING the OWS movement not just "elements" within it (and people forget that Nazism is Socialism).
DeusExMachina
10-18-2011, 14:55
Except that the "racist elements in the Tea Party movement" is a lie told by the left and there really are Communist, Socialist and Fascist elements in the OWS movement (and people forget that Nazism is Socialism).
If you're going to discredit every negative fact about the Tea Party as "lies told by the left", then there isn't any point in arguing with you.
There are obvious racist and fascist elements in the Tea Party just like there are communist and fascist (and apparently racist) elements to OWS. And if you repeat what Ronin said "But the Tea Party has black friends, they can't be racist!" I'm going to laugh my damn head off.
The point is, those elements are not the main point of the Tea Party or OWS.
Except that the "racist elements in the Tea Party movement" is a lie told by the left and there really are Communist, Socialist and Fascist organizations BACKING the OWS movement not just "elements" within it (and people forget that Nazism is Socialism).
Ding ding ding! Winner!
1933 NAZI party defined: National Socialism Movement for the New Germany!
Deus, are you Michael Moore? Your "facts" are a bit skewed and a lot wrong.
I guess a good warning and information to my fellow CO-AR folks is painful when the leftists are giving everyone a headache. Hell even the Democratic Party is saying these guys go too far.
Oh, also folks, one thing I should probably warn you about, do not, I say again, DO NOT go anywhere near the rally this weekend, no matter how much enjoyment you get from people making asses out of themselves, a friend with Adams County SO has informed me that DPD has asked Jeffco and Adams SO's to be on standby in case rioting occurs and they need backup. Use of tear gas is authorized and there is a very likely chance the Occupy Denver Rally will get violent on Saturday. FYI: Denver will be a total war zone between 1000 and 2300...
That war zone bit was a jovial embelishment, but seriously, it could get out of hand fast.
Zundfolge
10-18-2011, 15:00
If you're going to discredit every negative fact about the Tea Party as "lies told by the left", then there isn't any point in arguing with you.
If you're going to pass off every lie told by the left about the Tea Party movement as "facts" then there really isn't any point in arguing with you either.
DeusExMachina
10-18-2011, 15:04
Ding ding ding! Winner!
1933 NAZI party defined: National Socialism Movement for the New Germany!
Deus, are you Michael Moore? Your "facts" are a bit skewed and a lot wrong.
I guess a good warning and information to my fellow CO-AR folks is painful when the leftists are giving everyone a headache. Hell even the Democratic Party is saying these guys go too far.
Oh, also folks, one thing I should probably warn you about, do not, I say again, DO NOT go anywhere near the rally this weekend, no matter how much enjoyment you get from people making asses out of themselves, a friend with Adams County SO has informed me that DPD has asked Jeffco and Adams SO's to be on standby in case rioting occurs and they need backup. Use of tear gas is authorized and there is a very likely chance the Occupy Denver Rally will get violent on Saturday. FYI: Denver will be a total war zone between 1000 and 2300...
That war zone bit was a jovial embelishment, but seriously, it could get out of hand fast.
The Nazis were socialist when it benefited them, ie, control of the national economy for political use, ie fascism.
Ronin, are you an idiot? It's as valid a question as asking me if I'm Michael Moore.
How can you tell there's a "very likely chance" that protests will turn violent? They haven't been violent yet. Do you know something is planned to make them violent?
sneakerd
10-18-2011, 15:04
Somebody posting here has forgotten the meaning of "Nazi", i.e. "National Socialist Party". Hey I saw that Susan Sarandon is back too- in an interview very recently, she called the Pope a Nazi. The ignorance of these people is only equaled by their level of hate for people not under their influence.
And if you repeat what Ronin said "But the Tea Party has black friends, they can't be racist!" I'm going to laugh my damn head off.
When did I say that? I don't remember saying that... I said, "[as a whole] the Tea Party supports [Herman] Cain, who is black." I implied that for the most part, and thus the majority, the Tea Party is not predominantly racist. There are racists in every walk of life and every group (NAACP. Need I say more?). Your generalizations and putting words in people's mouths are offensive. You wouldn't happen to be nynco's pal would you?
DeusExMachina
10-18-2011, 15:06
If you're going to pass off every lie told by the left about the Tea Party movement as "facts" then there really isn't any point in arguing with you either.
There's nothing I could provide you that you wouldn't discredit as "a left lie" so is there a point? There's plenty of news articles showing posters, quotes, videos, etc but they're from the media, which you wont like.
sneakerd
10-18-2011, 15:10
I might go down there Saturday just to watch the clowns dance[ROFL1][LOL][ROFL2]
If you're going to pass off every lie told by the left about the Tea Party movement as "facts" then there really isn't any point in arguing with you either.
There's nothing I could provide you that you wouldn't discredit as "a left lie" so is there a point? There's plenty of news articles showing posters, quotes, videos, etc but they're from the media, which you wont like.
Tired of both sides acting like their side is entirely holy and the other side is entirely evil. Tired of the fact that every issue is immediately painted with broad strokes to be either "right" or "left" with zero discourse for anything in between.
It's that kind of wedge more than then issues that will drive things to conflict. When neither side is at all tolerant of another view point or willing to compromise, the game is over.
H.
OneGuy67
10-18-2011, 15:45
I can't say for certain that Ronin is correct in his intel coming from a buddy who heard from a guy who heard that there may be an issue on Saturday, but... I do know from personal knowledge that DPD has cancelled days off for all their tactical guys for the next week or so. CSP is in the same boat for their Denver based guys. The park they are protesting in, is state property, not city property.
Take it for what its worth...
stevelkinevil
10-18-2011, 15:46
The only answer is going back to true freedom and individual independence as the founding fathers intended. Power should derive from the local level on up not be centralized with the few at the federal level. Unfortunately folks neither party is interested in liberty or restoring the constitution in the slightest as it would take away the massive power they wield. Sure both parties love the constitution as long as its only the parts that fit their agenda and they can get rid of those other cumbersome parts that don't suit them. The 2 party system is a failure, and will eventually tear this country apart. It has bred professional politicians and crushed the statesman. It has created an enviornment where only a small percentage of people on the far extremes (both elitist groups) are happy with their party's direction and as usual left the mass majority of the citizens out in the cold.
ghettodub
10-18-2011, 15:47
Tired of both sides acting like their side is entirely holy and the other side is entirely evil. Tired of the fact that every issue is immediately painted with broad strokes to be either "right" or "left" with zero discourse for anything in between.
It's that kind of wedge more than then issues that will drive things to conflict. When neither side is at all tolerant of another view point or willing to compromise, the game is over.
H.
amen
The only answer is going back to true freedom and individual independence as the founding fathers intended. Power should derive from the local level on up not be centralized with the few at the federal level. Unfortunately folks neither party is interested in liberty or restoring the constitution in the slightest as it would take away the massive power they wield. Sure both parties love the constitution as long as its only the parts that fit their agenda and they can get rid of those other cumbersome parts that don't suit them. The 2 party system is a failure, and will eventually tear this country apart. It has bred professional politicians and crushed the statesman. It has created an enviornment where only a small percentage of people on the far extremes (both elitist groups) are happy with their party's direction and as usual left the mass majority of the citizens out in the cold.
+1
Zundfolge
10-18-2011, 15:57
Tired of both sides acting like their side is entirely holy and the other side is entirely evil. Tired of the fact that every issue is immediately painted with broad strokes to be either "right" or "left" with zero discourse for anything in between.
Now you're guilty of the same over-simplification you accuse both Deus and I of. And then you "+1'd" the Tea Party agenda (which you will quickly deny claiming the TP is just another racist, big government Republican lie or some such nonsense).
I'm just tired of the lies that were told about the Tea Party movement and now we see these same liars in the media try to equivocate between the Tea Party and the #Occupy movements as a means of discounting the Tea Party (which I believe is significantly closer to a true "voice of the people" than this astro turf communism we see playing out with #Occupy).
Compromise is not always possible ... for example, how do you compromise with someone that wants to cut off your head? You let them cut off your hand instead? Screw that, I'm going to kill anyone that wants to cut off my head, not seek some sort of common ground.
America is headed toward a civil war that is about three quarters of a century over due. Its going to suck, but there it is.
...the Tea Party (which I believe is significantly closer to a true "voice of the people" than this astro turf communism we see playing out with #Occupy). <- Awesome!
America is headed toward a civil war that is about three quarters of a century over due. Its going to suck, but there it is.
Zund, just who do you think will win that civil war hmmm?
My guess: Us, people like you, me, and 99% of us on here and places like here, to include but not be limited to: members of the NRA, the "smart" Veterans who know what the constitution is and means, and I'm pretty sure the Libertarian party will join the TP and Rep side.
Zundfolge
10-18-2011, 16:14
Zund, just who do you think will win that civil war hmmm?
Nobody actually "wins" a civil war ... all we can hope for is that the losses aren't too great and we return to something close to what this constitutional republic was designed to be. I'm not so optimistic, the "takers" are starting to outnumber the "makers" and that's a precarious place to be.
Tired of both sides acting like their side is entirely holy and the other side is entirely evil. Tired of the fact that every issue is immediately painted with broad strokes to be either "right" or "left" with zero discourse for anything in between.
It's that kind of wedge more than then issues that will drive things to conflict. When neither side is at all tolerant of another view point or willing to compromise, the game is over.
H.
The root question for me here is: Who benefits from the divisiveness being fomented here?
The answer appears to be the politicians and their cronies
Now you're guilty of the same over-simplification you accuse both Deus and I of. And then you "+1'd" the Tea Party agenda (which you will quickly deny claiming the TP is just another racist, big government Republican lie or some such nonsense).
I'm just tired of the lies that were told about the Tea Party movement and now we see these same liars in the media try to equivocate between the Tea Party and the #Occupy movements as a means of discounting the Tea Party (which I believe is significantly closer to a true "voice of the people" than this astro turf communism we see playing out with #Occupy).
I'd describe what stevel posted as being closer to Libertarian ideology than Tea Party, but where the TP stood for libertarian ideals I support them. I don't think they are as a whole racist, but just like with OWS you will certainly see fringe elements there waving a sign.
From my perspective I'm seeing lies and, I guess you'd say taking the truth of what an individual did or said as being representative of the group or movement as a whole. And I've seen this done to both groups. Honestly I think their rage is a lot closer than they'll admit, even though it's at seemingly different targets. Where the TP sees the foes as being in government, and the OWS sees the foes as being corporate greed, I'm pretty convinced the real answer is in the intersection of corporate greed and government corruption.
If the two groups were able to find common ground (and I still believe it exists) I think it'd be a time for real change. It remains to be seen if OWS will really be nothing but turd-burgler Commie "equal distribution of wealth" or if stuff like the more reasoned proposals will actually win.
I think if people stopped believing the short sound-bite worth bits of what they hear, and actually dug into facts, reasonable approaches based on scientific measurement can be determined. I think it's much easier to arrive at a mutual agreement on what's the desired outcome than it is to work out the details -- but if you can approach the details from a trial/error based on metrics of performance, we can work it out.
The fundamental problem, a steve said, is that those in power find it easier to turn everything into a wedge issue.
Compromise is not always possible ... for example, how do you compromise with someone that wants to cut off your head? You let them cut off your hand instead? Screw that, I'm going to kill anyone that wants to cut off my head, not seek some sort of common ground.
I don't remember saying that compromise is always possible, so lets not go with a straw man argument. I am saying that it can work in a great many situations, and to give up on it as being untenable because of rhetorical differences only users forward a period of bloodshed. Maybe that's what some people want, but I'd really rather not see my country torn apart.
People have been materially harmed by the collusion of Wall Street and other large corporate influence over Government, which side of the equation irks them more likely influences their opinion of OWS vs. TP.
H.
Hoosier, I agree with you, and one area I can agree with the OWS movement (yes they do make a pretty good point we can agree on!) is their stance on exporting jobs and manufacturing overseas and investing away from America. That I can compromise on, but they also want big Government to regulate the private industry even more than they do now... why? So it's impossible for me to hire new folks? So I can't turn a profit? There is too much regulation and the government has gotten to be too big for it's britches already, so how about we have them back off a bit? They also agree with my Libertarian beliefs that the Drug War is costly, ineffective, and cruel, it needs to end. Other than that, they're mostly comprised of idiots!
KevDen2005
10-18-2011, 18:02
Just to point out, I think there are going to be racist elements to every single group, no matter what side or what group they are racist towards. This is just part of not being perfect. So I don't think they are lies per se, just crappy points. I think the left maximizes that as much as possible even if it's a small amount. (Not saying any amount is acceptable, just unavoidable).
flan7211
10-18-2011, 20:20
The Nazi's used state controlled economics when it benefited them. They also used capitalism such as using market powers to improve military and infrastructural equipment. At the same time the early nazi party was funded by german Ruhr industrialists such as Porsche, Krupp, and Mittel. The nazi's were more than anything opportunists. One would be correct that they were socialists but also had a problem with the soul of socialism, remember the Strausser movement (communist/socialist nazi's) were hunted down during the Night of the Long Knives. I get Deus point but it's a tough position to defend anything about OWS.
stevelkinevil
10-18-2011, 21:37
FYI Dues is correct in placing my ideology very close to Libertarian. Flan is also correct in pointing out that the socialist part of the nazi's is overstated, and they were in fact clever opportunists, at once socialists and fascists, with a healthy dose of elitist. Not much different in many ways than the 2 party's currently vying for our votes, especially when it comes to using propaganda to demonize each other.
FWIW Ron Paul was the only one in the debate tonight (like the others) that does not insist on using silly rally cries and mindless status quo propaganda, His biggest downfall is treating voters as free minded individual adults and not children to be corralled as sheep.
wow, really good drama in here! decent reads too!
Aloha_Shooter
10-18-2011, 22:35
There's nothing I could provide you that you wouldn't discredit as "a left lie" so is there a point? There's plenty of news articles showing posters, quotes, videos, etc but they're from the media, which you wont like.
So far I've seen precious little that you've posted that ISN'T so his assumptions are certainly understandable. Case in point would be your assertion of "plenty of news articles" -- yes, there have been plenty of articles CLAIMING there have been posters, quotes, videos, etc. but precious few (if any) actual evidence. Dems CLAIMED they were subjected to spitting and racist epithets when entering the Capitol for the healthcare vote but no one has yet produced any bonafide video, still photography or independent witnesses to support the allegations.
Claiming racism a standard if tired attack from the Left but the latest allegations about the Tea Party truly make ones head spin. Apparently they're so racist that a number of them are supporting a black man for President to prove they're not racist? Is that REALLY what passes for logic in MoveOn.org, Occupy --------- and the other organizations bent on socializing America?
DeusExMachina
10-18-2011, 22:51
So far I've seen precious little that you've posted that ISN'T so his assumptions are certainly understandable. Case in point would be your assertion of "plenty of news articles" -- yes, there have been plenty of articles CLAIMING there have been posters, quotes, videos, etc. but precious few (if any) actual evidence. Dems CLAIMED they were subjected to spitting and racist epithets when entering the Capitol for the healthcare vote but no one has yet produced any bonafide video, still photography or independent witnesses to support the allegations.
Claiming racism a standard if tired attack from the Left but the latest allegations about the Tea Party truly make ones head spin. Apparently they're so racist that a number of them are supporting a black man for President to prove they're not racist? Is that REALLY what passes for logic in MoveOn.org, Occupy --------- and the other organizations bent on socializing America?
Blah blah blah there are photographs, video, etc. A quick search will find it. I don't need to fill up the thread with it.
Why the one way street with OWS extremism vs. Tea Party extermism?
Both groups have valid gripes, at their core. They are being perverted and are allowed to be perverted because we let the media show us only those sides.
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