View Full Version : Sorry about my old sticker design...
So since my old design got the boot, and I support the decision (please stop making my old design, and talking about it for the MOD's sake) I came up with this while in class this morning. Anyone care to weigh in?
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/newdesign.jpg
mcantar18c
10-21-2011, 13:43
Maybe put the base of the round in the middle of the C?
leatherneck448
10-21-2011, 13:47
I agree w/ mcantar on this one.
the headstamp and primer would look a lot cooler imo.
I think it would be cool to have a "colorado ar15 shooters" banner under the design like there was on one of the other designs in the last thread.
I figured that would give it away too much...
mcantar18c
10-21-2011, 13:47
Wait, since we can't use the bolt face in the logo, I say we use the feed ramp instead [Tooth]
leatherneck448
10-21-2011, 13:50
feed ramp and barrel extension w/ shot of the bore?
its worth a shot...
ghettodub
10-21-2011, 13:54
Ok, you guys decide, and then I'll work on stuff for em some more. I don't care either way; I just don't want to work on one, then have to work on another, etc.
Nope, for everyones sake, leave anything that has to do with anything that looks like a bolt out. So, I'm not gona touch that idea, sorry. Back onto the subject, how about the design I posted?
leatherneck448
10-21-2011, 13:56
what program are you using to create the designs ghettodub?
mcantar18c
10-21-2011, 13:56
feed ramp and barrel extension w/ shot of the bore?
its worth a shot...
I figure we all liked the bolt face design, and the feed ramp will look really similar to the bolt face in a sticker design, and since its a completely different component of the gun the other website can't do chit about it.
Please, guys...
Give it a rest until the lawsuit threat BS is over and done with.
We do not need any more issues.
Thanks.
ghettodub
10-21-2011, 14:01
what program are you using to create the designs ghettodub?
For stuff like this, I do em in Illustrator or Photoshop. I really haven't created any as of yet for the most part; I've just been taking what people have made, and then I'm recreating them in to vector graphics
Zundfolge
10-21-2011, 14:20
Please, guys...
Give it a rest until the lawsuit is over and done with.
We do not need any more issues.
Thanks.
Is there actually a lawsuit? Or was there just a threat of one?
If there's actually a suit going on then yes we should all shut up about it.
But we can talk about new designs right?.
I submitted a design element to the last thread that got locked ... And someone deleted it.
Sorry but if my idea is a violation of their copyright than even talking about AR15s here is illegal (mine was a birdcage flash hider from the muzzle end).
TDYRanger
10-21-2011, 14:26
what the heck was wrong with the bolt face logo? that was AWESOME.
TDYRanger
10-21-2011, 14:28
I missed something I guess again.
Zundfolge
10-21-2011, 14:30
what the heck was wrong with the bolt face logo? that was AWESOME.
There is another forum that uses a similar bolt face for their logo. And apparently they were none too happy about us trying to use it (I suspect if it wasn't for the fact that you can't copyright a URL they'd prefer we changed that too).
But if there is some sort of litigation going on we should not discuss the bolt face logo or the other site as it could cause some problem for the admins here.
Rooskibar03
10-21-2011, 14:31
I missed something I guess again.
That makes two of us.
Zundfolge
10-21-2011, 14:38
I missed something I guess again.
That makes two of us.
Go read this -> http://www.copyright.gov/title17/
When you're done you'll either understand ... or drop dead from cerebral hemorrhaging. [ROFL1]
bellavite1
10-21-2011, 14:53
If they want our colors let them try to get them from our backs[Rant2]!
Oh wait, that was a different story...[Tooth]
JUST KIDDING, "OTHER SITE" !
the middle of the C should look like the back of a centerfire cartridge.
or the front of a hollow point if you can make it work.
if that's what you were goin' for, well then I apologize. doesn't look like one to me.
that's why glocktalk went down the tubes. the ****head owner got greedy and turned it into a for-profit enterprise.
he'd have all these "help keep the site running" raffles and contests then a couple weeks later post photos of the cool new guns and motorcycles he got.
I can afford it, but I'm a little torqued off that I'm going to have to buy another sticker.
StagLefty
10-21-2011, 15:43
I'm all for a "logo" sticker without any text. [Beer]
Drilldov2.0
10-21-2011, 16:05
I like it. Also like the idea of base of a center fire in the middle as well. It could Colorado AR15 Shooters as the headstamp.
If we come up with something good and really unique we should get it patented. Just saying. [Coffee]
I'll let this live as long as nobody mentions, "them" or "it" in here..
No, the lawsuit never was, as long as ceased and desisted. Which we did.
Hopefully we can come up with our own unique design that nobody will get their panties in a wad over.
Go to it. Just remember the "rules".
[Tooth]
I like it. Also like the idea of base of a center fire in the middle as well. It could Colorado AR15 Shooters as the headstamp.
That would be cool but wouldn't be very "discreet". I think most everyone was hoping for a design that doesn't scream "hey, there could be firearms in here!"
mevshooter
10-21-2011, 16:54
That would be cool but wouldn't be very "discreet". I think most everyone was hoping for a design that doesn't scream "hey, there could be firearms in here!"
Exactly.
I would only consider putting it on something I own if its discreet.
This doesn't scream "firearms". Ignore the black background, imagine the sticker is just the "556".
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/rjs1970/556.jpg
I'm a little torqued off that I'm going to have to buy another sticker.
With the profits that us moderators make off the sales of stuff around here, we make enough to buy new cars/airplanes and retire.
Seriously though, nobody made a dime off any of it so dont go getting torqued off that you are being forced into buying another sticker....
If we get new ones, I'll buy you one Elhuero. [Beer]
BlasterBob
10-21-2011, 18:13
So, are we now expected to remove the old ones from our vehicles??
With the profits that us moderators make off the sales of stuff around here, we make enough to buy new cars/airplanes and retire.
Seriously though, nobody made a dime off any of it so dont go getting torqued off that you are being forced into buying another sticker....
oh yeah, if it came off that I was then I wasn't clear enough.
this place is great.
not you guy's I'm mad at, it's the "site that shall not be named"
If we get new ones, I'll buy you one Elhuero. [Beer]
lol thanks, man. [LOL]
That would be cool but wouldn't be very "discreet". I think most everyone was hoping for a design that doesn't scream "hey, there could be firearms in here!"
Discreet is what I am going for. I made the new pictue really fast, I will try to redo it with the back of the case and the 223 COAR15 to see what it looks like. I think however that would not be all that discreet. My wife imediately saw the bullet, but my friend in the smithing program with me just thought it was some kind of weird design. That passes as discreet to me. Some would get it, some would not. All would get the ass end of the bullet though... Anyway, any other ideas?
DSB OUTDOORS
10-21-2011, 18:46
So, are we now expected to remove the old ones from our vehicles??
No you can keep them on the vehicle's for now, we can still look for other members on the road. But when we do decide on a new sticker we should replace the old one so we don't have any confusion. [Beer]
StagLefty
10-21-2011, 18:55
So, are we now expected to remove the old ones from our vehicles??
Your vehicle,your sticker, and doesn't have any words to tie into the site. Mine is staying. [Beer]
How about elongating it to match the ratio of flag dimensions, adding a proper firing pin mark to the center, and also our address underneath the red C such that what is visible in the gap doesn't invite theft and the remaining letters are only partially shown (and therefore mysterious...)
Byte Stryke
10-21-2011, 22:32
This doesn't scream "firearms". Ignore the black background, imagine the sticker is just the "556".
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/rjs1970/556.jpg
I like
[Beer]i like the 556 idea too above ^!!!
i missed the whole thing about this as well, but figured it out on my own, oh well.
one of my family members is a graph designer and taught Photoshop at front range for about 8 years. i will see what i can come up with as fare as new ideas with in guidelines of what's mentioned above!
coop
Damn it I'm tired of hearing about this.. I need a copy of this letter! [Rant2]
mevshooter
10-22-2011, 00:45
I'd feel like a bit of a poser having a sticker that said 556 when I don't own anything that shoots that round...
Donations to the buy mevshooter an AR fund?
Eh?
Eh?
Didn't think so.
[Tooth]
mcantar18c
10-22-2011, 01:06
Not all of us own ARs.
Not all of the ARs we own are chambered in 556.
I see lots of different guns going around here, more non-ARs than ARs in fact.
I guess I'm the odd man out, but I'm not a huge fan of the 556 design.
Not all of us own ARs.
Not all of the ARs we own are chambered in 556.
I see lots of different guns going around here, more non-ARs than ARs in fact.
I guess I'm the odd man out, but I'm not a huge fan of the 556 design.
me either.
but I'm not as concerned about being under the radar as others.
How about just a big fist giving the middle finger?
mcantar18c
10-22-2011, 01:17
Works for me.
patrick0685
10-22-2011, 08:19
How about just a big fist giving the middle finger?
with the CO flag?[ROFL1][ROFL1]
How about just a big fist giving the middle finger?
Winner!
I guess I'm the odd man out, but I'm not a huge fan of the 556 design.
me either.
Just trying to contribute. Besides, I am about as far right from being full of good ideas as they come. [Coffee]
At least we all seem to agree that incorporating something to do with the Colorado flag is a good idea.
I had another thought for something with the "C" logo from the flag looking like a target with a mil-dot crosshair over it.
BlasterBob
10-22-2011, 10:33
Has our current image been considered as a sticker?
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/images/misc/title_image.jpg (http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/index.php)
Hmm...how about one of those big "no circles" with the name of the website we won't mention...
Zundfolge
10-22-2011, 11:09
Not all of us own ARs.
Not all of the ARs we own are chambered in 556.
I see lots of different guns going around here, more non-ARs than ARs in fact.
I guess I'm the odd man out, but I'm not a huge fan of the 556 design.
While I can see your point, the name if the site IS "Colorado AR-15 Shooters Site".
Has our current image been considered as a sticker?
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/images/misc/title_image.jpg (http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/index.php)
I think most people were wanting something a little more discrete that didn't scream "guns".
Hmm...how about one of those big "no circles" with the name of the website we won't mention...
This might be the best idea yet. [ROFL1]
Or maybe that Calvin cartoon character peeing on a certain logo. [Coffee]
Byte Stryke
10-22-2011, 11:50
I think most people were wanting something a little more discrete that didn't scream "guns".
this...
I would not put this on my car.
mevshooter
10-22-2011, 12:28
So far I'm digging the variations of the Colorado state flag with the safety/fire design.
Pretty cool.
Or maybe that Calvin cartoon character peeing on a certain logo. [Coffee]
Now, now Ray, We don't want to portray bitterness and ill will..
I like it though.[Tooth]
Something like this maybe? Only designed by someone with greater computer/graphics skills than me.
I don't like it though. Not everyone has a scope on their rifle. In fact, not everyone has a rifle. Some people might only own handguns. Oh, well. [Coffee]
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/rjs1970/cosnipe.jpg
Or maybe just the "C" logo from the state flag with a nice grouping of shots in the middle?
Mountain Boy
10-22-2011, 14:16
Or maybe just the "C" logo from the state flag with a nice grouping of shots in the middle?
I'd be careful to not look like you are defacing the Colorado flag, might put the wrong message out.
Now, now Ray, We don't want to portray bitterness and ill will..
I like it though.[Tooth]
Is the "other website" claiming that they have the right to any and all images or representations of AR-15 parts? Maybe someone might want to inform the current patent holders....[Mad]
StagLefty
10-22-2011, 15:05
Something like this maybe? Only designed by someone with greater computer/graphics skills than me.
I don't like it though. Not everyone has a scope on their rifle. In fact, not everyone has a rifle. Some people might only own handguns. Oh, well. [Coffee]
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/rjs1970/cosnipe.jpg
I like it [Beer]
Something like this maybe? Only designed by someone with greater computer/graphics skills than me.
I don't like it though. Not everyone has a scope on their rifle. In fact, not everyone has a rifle. Some people might only own handguns. Oh, well. [Coffee]
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/rjs1970/cosnipe.jpg
Why would someone have their sights on the state of Colorado? I could see someone taking this entirely the wrong way. It's open for interpretation and on top of that it's a little too 'on the nose' for me and others who don't want obvious firearm logos on our vehicles.
OK. I see everyone's points about the negativity of the "crosshairs" design. For those I may have unintentionally offended, I offer my apologies. Like I mentioned earlier, not all of my ideas are good and few of them are thought through very well.
OK. I see everyone's points about the negativity of the "crosshairs" design. For those I may have unintentionally offended, I offer my apologies. Like I mentioned earlier, not all of my ideas are good and few of them are thought through very well.
Oh, I didn't want to seem like I was offended. I think I speak for everyone here and I say that we know your intentions were good and yo meant no disrespect. The difference is this is a smaller community and we all know what you intended but out in public is a different world and the likelihood of everyone else knowing your intent upon seeing it isn't as high. I do think it was a pretty good idea though considering what everyone is working with and it's certainly better any any designs I've submitted. [Beer]
mcantar18c
10-22-2011, 16:33
Going off Spyder's idea a bit...
I know they look like crap... I downloaded the image processor 10 min ago, used images from google, and have no image editing skills. If someone that knows what they're doing were to rework the idea with good images and whatnot I think it might come out pretty cool (the idea being looking down a barrel... seeing the rifling and the nose of the bullet).
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4340/coar2.jpg
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3440/coar1.jpg
mevshooter
10-22-2011, 17:05
That is a cool concept.
Here's some concept art... I am not much of an artist. Using Zundfolge's concept of the bird cage, plus the rifling. The bird cage might look better without the rounding where I attempted to show fluting. Maybe get rid of the outer most black circle too?
http://i.imgur.com/kpmc4.png
Here's some concept art... I am not much of an artist. Using Zundfolge's concept of the bird cage, plus the rifling. The bird cage might look better without the rounding where I attempted to show fluting. Maybe get rid of the outer most black circle too?
http://i.imgur.com/kpmc4.png
that's not bad! i kind of like it! i get the concept!
DD977GM2
10-22-2011, 17:27
2 in th epink 1 in the stink stickers would be a great idea
newracer
10-22-2011, 17:36
How about
CO-AR15
Pretty simple
TDYRanger
10-22-2011, 17:37
Something like this maybe? Only designed by someone with greater computer/graphics skills than me.
I don't like it though. Not everyone has a scope on their rifle. In fact, not everyone has a rifle. Some people might only own handguns. Oh, well. [Coffee]
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/rjs1970/cosnipe.jpg
Looks a little like an anti-Colorado militia logo. Like we got Colorado in our cross hairs....
Byte Stryke
10-22-2011, 17:39
I am still serious wondering how in the hell anyone can claim copyright on a design or image that is currently public domain.
that would be like me trying to copyright a circle...
TDYRanger
10-22-2011, 17:41
Go read this -> http://www.copyright.gov/title17/
When you're done you'll either understand ... or drop dead from cerebral hemorrhaging. [ROFL1]
I totally understand copyright law, I just hadn't heard about any legal action against the site logo, or the site for that matter
Byte Stryke
10-22-2011, 17:43
I think I would spin it on them and CC Colt on this :D
Or maybe that Calvin cartoon character peeing on a certain logo. [Coffee]
yeah. with an AR on his back, and a hat with a colorado flag.
I would buy this.
this...
I would not put this on my car.
I would put it on one of mu vehicles....but I am wanting something that can go on all of them. The last design was awesome. Wish it wasn't an issue
yeah. with an AR on his back, and a hat with a colorado flag.
I would buy this.
Im definitely in!!!
Byte Stryke
10-22-2011, 18:27
Not all of us own ARs.
Not all of the ARs we own are chambered in 556.
I see lots of different guns going around here, more non-ARs than ARs in fact.
I guess I'm the odd man out, but I'm not a huge fan of the 556 design.
so what you are saying is... you are on an AR Site and you are upset that a suggestion is directly tied to ARs....
because you do not own one...
think I am going over to the snipershide and crying because I don't have a sniper rifle[ROFL1]
I am still serious wondering how in the hell anyone can claim copyright on a design or image that is currently public domain.
that would be like me trying to copyright a circle...
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=4002:ibs107.9.1
mcantar18c
10-22-2011, 18:39
so what you are saying is... you are on an AR Site and you are upset that a suggestion is directly tied to ARs....
because you do not own one...
think I am going over to the snipershide and crying because I don't have a sniper rifle[ROFL1]
Never said I didn't own one [Coffee]
Just saying that while the site name has "AR15" in it, we as a community are much more than that.
Byte Stryke
10-22-2011, 18:41
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=4002:ibs107.9.1
yeah, according to that they are only an applicant...
again I refer to my statement that Colt should be involved as it is their original work and design released to public domain.
Byte Stryke
10-22-2011, 18:42
Never said I didn't own one [Coffee]
Just saying that while the site name has "AR15" in it, we as a community are much more than that.
well Colorado Gun Owners is already taken
[Coffee]
islandermyk
10-22-2011, 18:46
How about having the bird cage and rifling inside the C (the yellow part) and maybe have it run a little over the inside edges of the C...?
Here's some concept art... I am not much of an artist. Using Zundfolge's concept of the bird cage, plus the rifling. The bird cage might look better without the rounding where I attempted to show fluting. Maybe get rid of the outer most black circle too?
http://i.imgur.com/kpmc4.png
yeah, according to that they are only an applicant...
again I refer to my statement that Colt should be involved as it is their original work and design released to public domain.
I said I wasn't going to talk about it, but after seeing it on the screen once more, it kinda pisses me off. One, it's a design patent, if you look up a design patent (even to trade marks) if it is a little different, you can get away with it. Considering my bolt was actually designed different (more detail) I'm sure it would have been ok. Throw in the fact that there was a big C surrounding the different design and you have a completely different animal. All and all, they have an exact patent on that exact design, if you really want to get down to it, I could just rotate the bolt on mine 45 degrees and put the ejector in the 12 position. All I know is that I am going to call their exact patent lawyer Tracy Jong Monday to see what the hell is up.
If someone really wants to read up on the actual laws, here ya go:
http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/law/tmlaw.pdf
I said I wasn't going to talk about it, but after seeing it on the screen once more, it kinda pisses me off.
I definitely understand where you're coming from. That being said, I would love to see you channel your anger/frustration into creating an awesome sticker/logo that we can proudly display and call our own. [Awesom]
mcantar18c
10-22-2011, 19:14
I am going to call their exact patent lawyer Tracy Jong Monday to see what the hell is up.
If you put them in their place and we could use our (your) original sticker design...
Byte Stryke
10-22-2011, 19:25
I said I wasn't going to talk about it, but after seeing it on the screen once more, it kinda pisses me off. One, it's a design patent, if you look up a design patent (even to trade marks) if it is a little different, you can get away with it. Considering my bolt was actually designed different (more detail) I'm sure it would have been ok. Throw in the fact that there was a big C surrounding the different design and you have a completely different animal. All and all, they have an exact patent on that exact design, if you really want to get down to it, I could just rotate the bolt on mine 45 degrees and put the ejector in the 12 position. All I know is that I am going to call their exact patent lawyer Tracy Jong Monday to see what the hell is up.
If someone really wants to read up on the actual laws, here ya go:
http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/law/tmlaw.pdf
forgive my horrid MS Paint skills
OK trying this again...
what if the state flag had Lugs on the C and only SEVEN lugs...
as I recall their copyright says eight.
we would essentially be removing the extractor and rotating the bolt to aling to the C Pattern.
as in below
I altered a state flag.... instead of touching anything that has been claimed by someone else.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i410/Guy_Bennett/800px-Flag_of_Coloradosvg.png
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i410/Guy_Bennett/800px-Flag_of_Coloradosvg.png
That is one of the best I seen so far. I don't see how this one could ruffle anyone's feathers.
what if the state flag had Lugs on the C and only SEVEN lugs...
as I recall their copyright says eight.
It did say eight, said nothing about a bullet...
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/finalbullet.jpg
Byte Stryke
10-22-2011, 19:56
they might cry you have only added to their design instead of creating an original.
That would all fall on the design part. My original ejector was recessed, theirs isn't. In that new one, still has the recessed ejector, and no pin.
frozenmud
10-22-2011, 20:01
What about using a different bolt face? I.e. a Mauser, Rem 700, FAL, AK, M-1A... ect? Most of them are going to have a "C" like shape that will tie into the Colorado flag.
Copyright law says that it cannot be an exact copy of anothers work. It cannot also be so close to the other work of art that someone would mistake the design for the others. That is almost verbatem from the USPTO website. Do you think anyone would confuse the two?
http://store.ar15.com/store/images/products/BFLMagnets.jpg
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/finalbullet.jpg
Byte Stryke
10-22-2011, 20:07
What about using a different bolt face? I.e. a Mauser, Rem 700, FAL, AK, M-1A... ect? Most of them are going to have a "C" like shape that will tie into the Colorado flag.
Because we aren't Colorado Mauser/Remington 700/AK/M-1A Shooters.com?
and then we would just have the same issues with AK.com etc etc etc....
forgive my horrid MS Paint skills
OK trying this again...
what if the state flag had Lugs on the C and only SEVEN lugs...
as I recall their copyright says eight.
we would essentially be removing the extractor and rotating the bolt to aling to the C Pattern.
as in below
I altered a state flag.... instead of touching anything that has been claimed by someone else.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i410/Guy_Bennett/800px-Flag_of_Coloradosvg.png
10 times better than any others in this thread so far.
long as it is not going to piss off any one then things are GTG.
who cares if it isn't exactly like a real bolt, the look is really good. now I think it just needs a color touch up to bring it out a bit more. also want to see one in white. even without the flag
Copyright law says that it cannot be an exact copy of anothers work. It cannot also be so close to the other work of art that someone would mistake the design for the others. That is almost verbatem from the USPTO website. Do you think anyone would confuse the two?
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/finalbullet.jpg
make sure you give credit to the owners of the others you have post. but as far as your design, I really like it. I say make the primer a bit smaller. then put 5.56 coar15 or something similar around the rim. the text on it will give it any and all necessary differences so there is no question
Byte Stryke
10-22-2011, 20:16
10 times better than any others in this thread so far.
long as it is not going to piss off any one then things are GTG.
who cares if it isn't exactly like a real bolt, the look is really good. now I think it just needs a color touch up to bring it out a bit more. also want to see one in white. even without the flag
yeah this was a crude MS Paint alteration of our state flag... we would need one of our graphics gurus to redo it...
it is supposed to be a bullet sitting in the bolt face.
make sure you give credit to the owners of the others you have post. but as far as your design, I really like it. I say make the primer a bit smaller. then put 5.56 coar15 or something similar around the rim. the text on it will give it any and all necessary differences so there is no question
he was trying to make it look like the tip of the bullet so the bullet pointing at you! i think
i do like the new designs! [Beer]
mcantar18c
10-22-2011, 20:18
I say make the primer a bit smaller
Pretty sure that's supposed to be the nose of the round, the circle in the center being the bullet and the ring around it being the shoulder.
Only thing I'd do to that is maybe add some color differentiation between the bullet and the casing. Maybe not though.
EDIT: Damn I'm too slow.
frozenmud
10-22-2011, 20:27
Because we aren't Colorado Mauser/Remington 700/AK/M-1A Shooters.com?
and then we would just have the same issues with AK.com etc etc etc....
Good point.
What about changing the perspective? The other site is from the muzzle end. How about from the stock/primer view? With "molon labe" or something for the headstamp.
All I know is that I am going to call their exact patent lawyer Tracy Jong Monday to see what the hell is up.
I'd gladly donate $20.00 to the legal fund.
In the original sticker thread, I posted your design and "those that shall be nameless' " sticker designs. Yes the are both bolt heads but were very different. Considering the not for profit aspect of the CO stickers, I really don't understand some people's agitation. Are there any existing patents on bolt head designs?
Back on track.
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/finalbullet.jpg
Close but I think the bullet detail would be lost on a sticker.
it is supposed to be a bullet sitting in the bolt face.
that will probably be too much detail for a sticker, especially a small 3" 2D sticker on a vehicle moving a a decent speed. I think the headstamp with a small amount of lettering or just 5.56 on the bottom would be pretty simple and much easier
frozenmud
10-22-2011, 20:41
I'd gladly donate $20.00 to the legal fund.
I good for $20. I'm also in for some cookies if we do a old fashioned bake sale fund raiser.
considering he did not just take the barfcom logo and paste it into his design, it should be fought.
I got out one of the stickers and checked it against the logo and they are clearly different.
fight.
How about a sticker that says, I "C" guns. And the "C" would be from the Colorado flag.
clublights
10-23-2011, 06:31
Doesn't a "close" "copy" ( I say "" cuz it's not an exact copy of their logo it's representation of a piece of hardware they don't own the patent on) need to show some sort of malice or how it would harm them ?
I don't see show even a couple hundred of these stickers will hurt the " site that shall not be named" ... we are not going to buy stickers from them anyways .. no matter the price ( even if they sent them with a 5 dollar bill in the envelope I'd RTS Them personally ..............) ... ( ok I'd take the 5 bucks out and trash the stickers... )
Like Apple can shut down places that use there logo and sell fake iPhones/ computers. it hurts apple cuz people are buying fakes.... or if you prefer if you buy a fake copy of windows your hurting microsoft's bottom line by folks thinking they are getting a true copy of windows when they are buying a fake .
am I making sense?
Doesn't a "close" "copy" ( I say "" cuz it's not an exact copy of their logo it's representation of a piece of hardware they don't own the patent on) need to show some sort of malice or how it would harm them ?
I don't see show even a couple hundred of these stickers will hurt the " site that shall not be named" ... we are not going to buy stickers from them anyways .. no matter the price ( even if they sent them with a 5 dollar bill in the envelope I'd RTS Them personally ..............) ... ( ok I'd take the 5 bucks out and trash the stickers... )
Like Apple can shut down places that use there logo and sell fake iPhones/ computers. it hurts apple cuz people are buying fakes.... or if you prefer if you buy a fake copy of windows your hurting microsoft's bottom line by folks thinking they are getting a true copy of windows when they are buying a fake .
am I making sense?
yes. their logo is not used in or is a part of our sticker.
if we were mustang enthusiasts, just because they have a logo they have reserved the rights to doesn't mean we can't have a mustang in our logo.
they don't own the rights to the image of a mustang, just their image that they have reserved the rights to. as long as we don't use the image they have ®, we can use whatever we damn well please.
please don't roll over. fight these greedy bastards.
Copyright law says that it cannot be an exact copy of anothers work.
I'm glad you said this. How can they possibly state that the reason for the problem is the bolt face in the design when that exact part is public domain? It's not like they took this part as a base and made some unique changes to it and you copied those in your interpretation of a public domain part. The part of the logo in question doesn't even look the same. To me this is sabre rattling and I personally wouldn't cave. I've stood up as an individual against MUCH larger global companies who had a better case than this which I won so I wouldn't let the chest puffing scare you. That's just me though because I really feel the original logo was the best by far and has at least three differentiating pieces which would make it enough as to not confuse others.
By the way, the company was Osram, parent company of Sylvania and I told their team of lawyers to pound sand (after research on my part) and modified their cease & desist order to benefit me and countered and said that was my one and ONLY offer to settle this. They claimed their client may not agree & I stated they would be doing them a disservice if they allowed them to believe they could do any better and what do ya know... they agreed. If you saw some of the claims and threats they made initially though I can see where people would panic and do whatever they said to make it all go away.
I wasn't part of any original discussion of this topic since I didn't know about it so this is my part on that subject speaking from personal experience.
please don't roll over. fight these greedy bastards.
This.
DD977GM2
10-23-2011, 13:30
I'm glad you said this. How can they possibly state that the reason for the problem is the bolt face in the design when that exact part is public domain? It's not like they took this part as a base and made some unique changes to it and you copied those in your interpretation of a public domain part. The part of the logo in question doesn't even look the same. To me this is sabre rattling and I personally wouldn't cave. I've stood up as an individual against MUCH larger global companies who had a better case than this which I won so I wouldn't let the chest puffing scare you. That's just me though because I really feel the original logo was the best by far and has at least three differentiating pieces which would make it enough as to not confuse others.
By the way, the company was Osram, parent company of Sylvania and I told their team of lawyers to pound sand (after research on my part) and modified their cease & desist order to benefit me and countered and said that was my one and ONLY offer to settle this. They claimed their client may not agree & I stated they would be doing them a disservice if they allowed them to believe they could do any better and what do ya know... they agreed. If you saw some of the claims and threats they made initially though I can see where people would panic and do whatever they said to make it all go away.
I wasn't part of any original discussion of this topic since I didn't know about it so this is my part on that subject speaking from personal experience.
This.
I agree 100% with the highlighted. Screw that other site and their whiney asses[Bang]
DD977GM2
10-23-2011, 13:33
Also I wanna hurry up and get a CO-AR sticker design going so I can add it to my truck
and takethe other sticker down
BlasterBob
10-23-2011, 13:45
Also I wanna hurry up and get a CO-AR sticker design going so I can add it to my truck
and takethe other sticker down
Why would you "take the other sticker down" ??[Bang]
DD977GM2
10-23-2011, 13:55
Why would you "take the other sticker down" ??[Bang]
The sticker from the sight that is not to be named
I unfortunatly never got one of the co-ar15 stickers
BlasterBob
10-23-2011, 14:02
The sticker from the sight that is not to be named
I unfortunatly never got one of the co-ar15 stickers
Ah, OK I now understand. My recently applied sticker (CO AR-15 Shooters) will remain on my vehicle window , unless someone steals it.[Tooth]
DD977GM2
10-23-2011, 14:04
Ah, OK I now understand. My recently applied sticker (CO AR-15 Shooters) will remain on my vehicle window , unless someone steals it.[Tooth]
I really want one of those. **** it Im gonna have a friend make up one for me regardless of those bastards at the other site that shall not be named. [Weight]
jhood001
10-23-2011, 16:13
I loved the old sticker logo and I personally don't think those whiners 'over there' have a pot to piss in regarding copyright infringement.
However, it isn't worth it if they want to get nasty. Not worth the time or potentially the money.
There are too many good options for a new logo and way too many creative people around here with good ideas to not come up with something new... that will involve zero heartache for anyone.
Lots of good ideas have been posted so far. I personally think a combination of the flag with a fire selector is a fantastic idea if it is done right. A realistic machined look with the flag would be badass.
I can't design anything to save my life, but I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone puts out! Even if you're like me and design impotent, it wouldn't hurt to put an idea out there. Someone with some skills might pick it up and run with it.
I missed out on the first round of stickers... I was complacent and just figured they would be there when the time comes. I'm looking forward to the new sticker (and hopefully a hoodie and a winter cap someday)!
BTW, if any of you make designs, make them VECTOR. Whatever you are doing, it is simple enough that you should not be doing them in standard PS style processes. Make them scaleable vector so your print media doesn't suck.
I don't have any decent vector programs anymore. Are there any decent web based ones yet?
H.
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