military and privet contractors being trained to police u.s. cities ??

[alxone]

so i keep hearing that our military and privet contractors are being trained to police u.s. cities .
1 has anybody else heard anything about this or have any info
2 what are your thoughts on using military to police u.s. citizens
3 if the dod does use our military in this fashion what outcome do you foresee

[Elhuero]

I'll get me some neat new guns and gear.

[Bailey Guns]

From what source are you hearing this? Basically, the military is prohibited from being used to enforce US civil law within the borders of the US by the Posse Comitatus Act.

Course, the .gov is prohibited by law from doing lots of things. That doesn't always stop the people running it, though.

[Sharpienads]

I haven't heard anything about it. I don't think it's happening or is going to happen.

I for one would refuse to participate.

But I might be able to be bought with neat new guns and gear.

Every man has his price [Tooth]

[Bailey Guns]

I haven't heard anything about it. I don't think it's happening or is going to happen.

I for one would refuse to participate.

But I might be able to be bought with neat new guns and gear.

Every man has his price [Tooth]

NO...you're supposed to be supplying the neat new guns and gear when it comes to that!

[Mick-Boy]

Security contractors have been operating in the US for decades. We call them rent-a-cops. The military (in the form of the NG) has also done quite a bit.

As far as the likely hood of seeing a squad of Marines in MRAPs patrollin US cities?.... I guess I'd buy it if you told me it was Detroit. ;)

[alxone]

somebody at the gun show was talking to me about it

[Troublco]

I've heard that there is some training going on, with regards to "containing the population of large cities to those large cities" in the event of some sort of SHTF scenario. Don't know how much credibility I'd give it, but I've heard it.

[strm_trpr]

I have never heard about it and I am in Law Enforcement.

[Monky]

I'm sure just as a stewardess trains for a water landing and using the flotation device.. the chance of her ever doing it are rare.

Don't you guys know.. Obeyme is just gonna have the UN come in.. which I'd rather fight the french troops than our own.. [Tooth]

[colocowboy01]

Here are a couple of links to stories about this topic:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/call/call_10-16-ch14.htm

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/10/military_aclu_northcom_102108w/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4026479

The military is also now actively "helping" out with traffic checkpoints, and the old Blackwater(now Xe) and other mercenary groups have been used by the government to police the streets in different situations within the US.

The government already is using the military and mercenaries within the US borders why wouldn't they continue too, and increase the use of them within the US borders?

Could be that when the Occupy Wall Street protests start becoming riots we will see more mercenaries or even troops on the streets patrolling.

[Eggysrun]

PMC's are the future.

[275RLTW]

1) Please look up the term mercenary in the dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mercenary). You will find that is NOT the correct term for security contractors.

2) DoS's protection program is worldwide, including the US.

3) Various organizations have been providing security for VIPs here in the US for centuries. Just because the DoS is using their contracted and trained personel, NOW you're paraniod?

At least DoS holds their personnel accountable for their actions unlike some of the hack companies running around the US pretending to be security professionals.

[trlcavscout]

1) Please look up the term mercenary in the dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mercenary). You will find that is NOT the correct term for security contractors.

2) DoS's protection program is worldwide, including the US.

3) Various organizations have been providing security for VIPs here in the US for centuries. Just because the DoS is using their contracted and trained personel, NOW you're paraniod?

At least DoS holds their personnel accountable for their actions unlike some of the hack companies running around the US pretending to be security professionals.

Your not a mercenary? [ROFL1] Hey if you need someone to carry your golf clubs over there let me know I could use some time away from this crap.

[OneGuy67]

You shouldn't believe all the stories told to you at the gunshows, Alex.

[275RLTW]

Your not a mercenary? [ROFL1] Hey if you need someone to carry your golf clubs over there let me know I could use some time away from this crap.

I prefer "High threat Babysitter"

[colocowboy01]

You shouldn't believe all the stories told to you at the gunshows, Alex.

+1^

[Mick-Boy]

1) Please look up the term mercenary in the dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mercenary). You will find that is NOT the correct term for security contractors.



As an evil security contractor with Triple Canopy I had to clear that up with people constantly. May as well call the Wackenhut guy at the local bank a mercenary. [Bang]

[Byte Stryke]

The Zombies are coming, the .gov is going to use the army to oppress the citizenry and create a dictatorship, and my guns and ammo subscription is running out...



Oh the huge manatee.

http://www.seccs.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_hberg.gif

[kidicarus13]

somebody at the gun show was talking to me about it

This should'be been your first clue. I hear so much BS at guns shows that it makes me laugh.

[TFOGGER]

Marines were "advising" on the ground during the LA riots. With loaded M16s, and defined RoE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

I know someone that was on the ground in LA, and apparently his unit did a fair amount of "advising"...

[HBARleatherneck]

delete

[Mick-Boy]

Roger. I heard some of the stories in boot. I know it has happened in the past.

What's the criteria? Does the Governor of a state have to request Federal troops?

[Elhuero]

You shouldn't believe all the stories told to you at the gunshows, Alex.


definitely true.

[alxone]

You shouldn't believe all the stories told to you at the gunshows, Alex.ok you got me on that . normally i dont believe even half of what i hear but this fella seemed so d*mned sure i figured id ask you guys
[Tooth]

[DD977GM2]

Cant ever see it happening except on a complete SHTF Doomsday scenario where FBO wants to take over the country then the world.

In that event, Im gonna be getting some great new weapons since the kids
on Red Dawn did it, I can do the same[Beer]

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

yes its called martial law last time it was implimented was durring hurricane katrina

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

Martial law is the imposition of military rule by military authorities over designated regions on an emergency basis—usually only temporary—when the civilian government or civilian authorities fail to function effectively (e.g., maintain order and security, and provide essential services), when there are extensive riots and protests, or when the disobedience of the law becomes widespread. In most cases, military forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_forces) are deployed to quiet the crowds, to secure government buildings and key or sensitive locations, and to maintain order.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law#cite_note-Sidlinger-0) Generally, military personnel replace civil authorities and perform some or all of their functions. The constitution could be suspended, and in full-scale martial law, the highest-ranking military officer would take over, or be installed, as the military governor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_governor) or as head of the government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_the_government), thus removing all power from the previous executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law#cite_note-Sidlinger-0)
Martial law can be used by governments to enforce their rule over the public. Such incidents may occur after a coup d'état (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat) (Thailand 2006); when threatened by popular protest (China, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989)); to suppress political opposition (Poland in 1981); to stabilize insurrections or perceived insurrections (Canada, The October Crisis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_October_Crisis) of 1970). Martial law may be declared in cases of major natural disasters, however most countries use a different legal construct, such as a "state of emergency".
Martial law has also been imposed during conflicts and in cases of occupations, where the absence of any other civil government provides for an unstable population. Examples of this form of military rule include post World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) reconstruction in Germany and Japan as well as the southern reconstruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_era_of_the_United_States) following the U.S. Civil War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Civil_War).
Typically, the imposition of martial law accompanies curfews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curfew), the suspension of civil law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system)), civil rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights), habeas corpus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus), and the application or extension of military law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_law) or military justice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_justice) to civilians. Civilians defying martial law may be subjected to military tribunal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_tribunal) (court-martial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court-martial)).

[DD977GM2]

Martial law is the imposition of military rule by military authorities over designated regions on an emergency basis—usually only temporary—when the civilian government or civilian authorities fail to function effectively (e.g., maintain order and security, and provide essential services), when there are extensive riots and protests, or when the disobedience of the law becomes widespread. In most cases, military forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_forces) are deployed to quiet the crowds, to secure government buildings and key or sensitive locations, and to maintain order.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law#cite_note-Sidlinger-0) Generally, military personnel replace civil authorities and perform some or all of their functions. The constitution could be suspended, and in full-scale martial law, the highest-ranking military officer would take over, or be installed, as the military governor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_governor) or as head of the government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_the_government), thus removing all power from the previous executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law#cite_note-Sidlinger-0)
Martial law can be used by governments to enforce their rule over the public. Such incidents may occur after a coup d'état (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat) (Thailand 2006); when threatened by popular protest (China, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989)); to suppress political opposition (Poland in 1981); to stabilize insurrections or perceived insurrections (Canada, The October Crisis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_October_Crisis) of 1970). Martial law may be declared in cases of major natural disasters, however most countries use a different legal construct, such as a "state of emergency".
Martial law has also been imposed during conflicts and in cases of occupations, where the absence of any other civil government provides for an unstable population. Examples of this form of military rule include post World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) reconstruction in Germany and Japan as well as the southern reconstruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_era_of_the_United_States) following the U.S. Civil War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Civil_War).
Typically, the imposition of martial law accompanies curfews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curfew), the suspension of civil law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system)), civil rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights), habeas corpus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus), and the application or extension of military law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_law) or military justice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_justice) to civilians. Civilians defying martial law may be subjected to military tribunal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_tribunal) (court-martial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court-martial)).


Katrina was not a very long time and only due to the fact the complete infastructure and city was destroyed and was only implimented after the fact of the hurricane's passing.

I dont this happening on a wide scale for any amount of time other then a serious natural disaster. Even then it would only be to maintain order and prevent looting etc. Not a take over of a city or state etc.

[OneGuy67]

Katrina was an interesting case scenario. We had federal troops assisting (82nd Airborne for one) and a lot of National Guard troops. Hell, it isn't that well known, but the Mexican Army sent water filtration units there to assist.

While some would argue it is a fine line or even a non-existing line, there is a difference between the National Guard and Active Army troops. But there is a line. For one, the NG are under the authority of the Govenor of the state and can be requested/sent to other states to assist. We call it Title 32 under the U.S. Code for National Guard being paid/authorized under the color of the Governor's authority. NG can be nationalized like for deployments to Iraq and that is called Title 10. At that time, the Soldiers are under the color of the U.S. Army and federal law and no longer under the authority of the Governor.

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

but they did disarm law abiding citizens trying to protect themselves and their property. So what do you think about that I bet you wont make anymore excuses

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4 heres a video to prove my point our 2nd ammendment right is WORTHLESS im sorry to say

[DD977GM2]

taU9d26wT4but they did disarm law abiding citizens trying to protect themselves and their property. So what do you think about that I bet you wont make anymore excuses


I would have

1. bugged out when the initial warnings were sent, with guns in tow on MY OWN
2. Wouldnt have been an issue since I was on my own as far as being disarmed.

3. those that stayed and then bugged out and got disarmed, their ****ign fualt.
4. If I would have stayed, I would have died defending my right to carry and protect my family.

Not making excuses in other posts, just presenting reality.

[Byte Stryke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4 heres a video to prove my point our civil rights are WORTHLESS im sorry to say



fixed

it's OK for the Fed to remove your civil rights, your property and break apart your family... for your protection.


trust us, we are the government

[OneGuy67]

My NG unit went there (I didn't as I just had shoulder surgery and was out on light duty/rehab for six months) and I heard many stories from those who went. They drove HUMMWV's from Denver there and camped in a park, sort of a mini-FOB with other agencies, NG's and such.

The issue of disarming people was discussed and many heard of such events from the local authorities they were working with. They came across many people still in their homes as they went door to door looking for people and victims, marking the houses and those who were there and armed were not disarmed. Those people showed their weapons to the Soldiers/LEO's/Emegency workers that were part of the teams and they were offered assistance if they wanted it. Those that declined tended to want to stay in their homes and protect them. They were noted and their locations turned in, but no one went out there and disarmed them.

I was told the ones who tended to be disarmed were those who were in armed gangs, wandering the streets after curfew and in some cases, taking shots at those in uniform.

So yes, disarming people did occur.

[Robert217]

What's the initial warning?

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

Yea im sure you have excuses for everything even though i just gave you the facts. What if the entire country went into martial law and you cant go anywhere? did you ever think of that? did you even watch the video? I'm sure everyone in that video said the same things you just said but look what happend to them

[Byte Stryke]

I was told the ones who tended to be disarmed were those who were in armed gangs, wandering the streets after curfew and in some cases, taking shots at those in uniform.

So yes, disarming people did occur.

Yeah, you see that bad-ass bitch flashing her gang signs showin colors at the beginning of that video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4)?


a complete and total danger to society... Those cops were lucky to get out with their lives.


[Eek3]

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

and as robert said what are the warning signs for when you will be stripped of your civil rights? this has nothing to do with the hurracane. Please tell me knower of all

[Robert217]

After full scale martial law FEMA will have the right to confiscate farms and large food supply's. How many cans of beans do you have?

[SA Friday]

and as robert said what are the warning signs for when you will be stripped of your civil rights? this has nothing to do with the hurracane. Please tell me knower of all

Well, I suspect the governor declaring martial law might be a clue. That would be the initial step in possible suspension of constitutional rights. As for warning signs prior to the declaring of martial law, signs of imminent natural disaster, bank runs, food runs, gas runs. People start hoarding and it's going to fall apart fast.

[Byte Stryke]

Well, I suspect the governor declaring martial law might be a clue. That would be the initial step in possible suspension of constitutional rights. As for warning signs prior to the declaring of martial law, signs of imminent natural disaster, bank runs, food runs, gas runs. People start hoarding and it's going to fall apart fast.


so are you still in CO?

With the #Occupy thing going, if that becomes a riot we are in a martial law setting.
We could have empty gun safes by 0600 tomorrow.

[SA Friday]

so are you still in CO?

With the #Occupy thing going, if that becomes a riot we are in a martial law setting.
We could have empty gun safes by 0600 tomorrow.

[LOL]

Ya, ok...

[Beprepared]

KATRINA! From what I witnessed National Guard was clearing I59 South by 0500. They were there in a purely supportive role. Yes, It was Martial Law. Local PD and Sheriffs unlawfully seized weapons, and the NRA handed them their tails in the court three years later. On a lighter note, those that should worry about a modern seizure, should be those that frequent firearm forums, have ccw's, or title II's.

[blacklabel]

I've had a few people try to tell me that it's bound to happen with our final pull out from Iraq as we now have a military that is well trained in urban warfare.

Do I think it will happen? I'll go with usual answer. I don't know if it will happen but I do know that I don't trust my government. I guess you could say that it wouldn't surprise me. The Occupy movement could be the catalyst if it turns violent.

[Byte Stryke]

[LOL]

Ya, ok...

an anti-police movement/demonstration has joined in the "activity" as of this evening...


"army of the rich"
"Imprison unlawful officers"
"Justice for....[victims name]"

water + Quicklime + Sulfur...

[Elhuero]

Local PD and Sheriffs unlawfully seized weapons


no way! [ROFL2]

[Irving]

and as robert said what are the warning signs for when you will be stripped of your civil rights? this has nothing to do with the hurracane. Please tell me knower of all

Why are you acting like such a jerk?

[Jer]

I posted on this topic about a year ago with links and information regarding the Pentagon deploying 40,000 US troops on US soil in preparation for an economic meltdown or attempted government overthrow or other similar unrest and stated that these were 'potential' situations. This is how it starts. 40k now so that people get used to seeing them paroling the streets every now and then and slowly ramp it up until it's complete occupation. Between tighter restrictions on firearms being the norm and soon the federal troop occupation being the norm what's left?

[Not_A_Llama]

Goddamn Privet contractors.

http://www.hybridpoplars.com/privet9.jpg

[BushMasterBoy]

Like I have said before, "whoever has the weapons, makes the rules"


Rule of Law?[ROFL2]

[colocowboy01]

I agree with Jer that having some troops around and it being in the news more is to get the people used to the idea of having armed troops on the streets "for our safety". That way if/when something big happens it will seem more normal to have troops patrolling during a marshal law situation.

[OneGuy67]

Yea im sure you have excuses for everything even though i just gave you the facts. What if the entire country went into martial law and you cant go anywhere? did you ever think of that? did you even watch the video? I'm sure everyone in that video said the same things you just said but look what happend to them

I couldn't access the video you posted, so I can't comment on your facts. I posted what I had been told; I wasn't there and neither were you.


and as robert said what are the warning signs for when you will be stripped of your civil rights? this has nothing to do with the hurracane. Please tell me knower of all

I guess this "knower of all" is directed at me. I don't know it all, I tend to post on threads which I do have some knowledge. In this case, as stated a couple of times, I wasn't there, but people I know and trust were, and I relayed what was told to me. I can tell you I do know how to spell, use punctuation and grammar, so I guess I am a knower of all in that regard.