View Full Version : Why you always need PID
Scanker19
10-22-2011, 21:02
PID, PID, PID. Know what you're shooting at, and what is behind your target. Common Sense isn't.
SUBLIMITY, Ore. (AP) — A California member of the U.S. Marine Corps Reserves was shot and killed in Oregon after authorities say a hunter mistook him for a bear.
Christopher Ochoa, a 20-year-old from French Camp, Calif., and a friend were hiking through a field in Western Oregon on the way to Silver Creek Falls Park on Friday evening.
Ochoa was wearing dark-colored clothing when an Oregon man hunting for bear with his 12-year-old grandson saw something moving in the brush and fired one shot from a .270-caliber rifle, striking Ochoa, the Marion County Sheriff's Office said.
The sheriff's office said the hunter, Gene Collier, 67, hasn't been charged and said the shooting appeared to be accidental but turned the case over to the local district attorney's office.
Collier cooperated with detectives, according to a press release from the sheriff's office, and there was no indication that he was impaired by drugs or alcohol.
Ochoa's family in California told police he and Raymond Westrom, 53, of Lathrop, Calif., were in Salem, Ore., to do work on a house. Ochoa was set to report back for duty on Oct. 25.
Westrom directed Marion County sheriff's deputies through the woods to Ochoa, who was still alive when deputies arrived. The deputies administered first aid, but Ochoa died at the scene.
Bear season in Western Oregon runs from Aug. 1 until Dec. 31. Hunters are permitted to take one black bear per season, with restrictions on cubs less than one year old or sows with cubs.
Byte Stryke
10-22-2011, 21:12
according to a press release from the sheriff's office, and there was no indication that he was impaired by drugs or alcohol.
THIS is why I say even 1/2 a beer is too much if you are carrying.
should the guy have been wearing blaze orange?
would it have helped against a hunter willing to shoot blind into the bushes?
Byte Stryke
10-22-2011, 21:21
should the guy have been wearing blaze orange?
would it have helped against a hunter willing to shoot blind into the bushes?
in the end... whose bullet was it?
ALWAYS know your target
Scanker19
10-22-2011, 21:22
should the guy have been wearing blaze orange?
would it have helped against a hunter willing to shoot blind into the bushes?
Sure wouldn't. That moron should not be blind shooting, accident or not its negligent and he should have to answer, either criminally or in Civil Court.
Gcompact30
10-22-2011, 21:23
So sad
Sure wouldn't. That moron should not be blind shooting, accident or not its negligent and he should have to answer, either criminally or in Civil Court.
that's what I figured.
took hunter's safety as a kid, but I've never been.
Very sad case for everyone involved. Always know exactly what your target is.
When you say blind shooting, you mean not being able to identify the animal 100% right?
DD977GM2
10-23-2011, 01:41
When you say blind shooting, you mean not being able to identify the animal 100% right?
I think he does mean this. A lot of times accidents like this is the shooter
has no idea what he really is shooting at due to buck fever or whatever you want
to call it. Pure bull**** that this Marine was killed.
The shooter should have waited for a 100% ID of the movement and should
not have shot when he did. [Bang][Bang][Bang]
This is just wrong....
P. S. Now what is PID?
Mick-Boy
10-23-2011, 03:30
One life ended another likely ruined. RIP Marine.
You can never call a bullet back once you squeeze a trigger.
Scanker19
10-23-2011, 09:38
This is just wrong....
P. S. Now what is PID?
Positive Identification.
Eggysrun
10-23-2011, 09:47
kinda reminds me of the walking dead episode lol
Its people like this that fuel the fire for anti gunners. Not only do you owe it to everyone else to PID your target, but you owe it to the animal to make a good shot and a clean kill. Blind or sound shots are dangerous and you are a complete idiot if you hunt anything like that. Put him on trial for manslaughter.
Busta Prima
10-23-2011, 15:31
you owe it to the animal to make a good shot and a clean kill.
On that note, is a .270 enough for a bear anyway?
And for as good a shot as he is, he couldn't tell a man from a bear? This is very tragic for all.
mcantar18c
10-23-2011, 16:31
On that note, is a .270 enough for a bear anyway?
With good shot placement.
Damn shame.
Limited GM
10-23-2011, 17:36
Its a tragic situation for all involved; the shooter, the victim, and the poor grand son.
I once talked to an old man, maybe 80ish, who told me that 20 years before he had been working a bird for hours (Turkey hunting) The bird had hung up for ever just out of range gobbling. He decided to try a different strategy and quit calling. The bird shut up and a few minutes later he sees the red/white head slowly moving through the brush. When it seemed the head was clear he shot.
He had shot another old guy who was bent over picking mushrooms. The guy had been wearing earth tone clothing, all except a bright red/white bandanna around his neck.
The thing that stuck with me, was how sure he had been of his target. Not defending the guy here, but I see how elements can cloud ones judgment.
Be careful out there.
Well did he kill the guy?
mcantar18c
10-23-2011, 23:34
Long night?
A California member of the U.S. Marine Corps Reserves was shot and killed in Oregon after authorities say a hunter mistook him for a bear.
Its a tragic situation for all involved; the shooter, the victim, and the poor grand son.
I once talked to an old man, maybe 80ish, who told me that 20 years before he had been working a bird for hours (Turkey hunting) The bird had hung up for ever just out of range gobbling. He decided to try a different strategy and quit calling. The bird shut up and a few minutes later he sees the red/white head slowly moving through the brush. When it seemed the head was clear he shot.
He had shot another old guy who was bent over picking mushrooms. The guy had been wearing earth tone clothing, all except a bright red/white bandanna around his neck.
The thing that stuck with me, was how sure he had been of his target. Not defending the guy here, but I see how elements can cloud ones judgment.
Be careful out there.
Long night?
Yep, for you...
mcantar18c
10-23-2011, 23:55
My bad. Thought you were talking about the OP.
Don't sweat it. It's probably been a long 3 days. :p
KevDen2005
10-24-2011, 04:54
THIS is why I say even 1/2 a beer is too much if you are carrying.
Totally agree. You may not be impaired but it won't help your case if you shoot someone, even if you are right.
"its coming straight for us !!"
Mountain Boy
10-24-2011, 07:39
This is why I stopped hunting during rifle season. I would watch first timers walking through the woods looking like they were being hunted (scared, holding the rifle up with finger on the trigger) and every sound they heard they looked through the scope in that direction. I was always taught PID based on not taking the wrong animal (to few points, cow vs bull....) and getting a clean shot.
Sad story, Rest in Peace.
NitroxBoss
10-24-2011, 07:43
Positive Identification.
and the "D" is in there for..... ?
What a tragic story, blind shooting is just plain inexcusable. May that marine rest in peace.
BlasterBob
10-24-2011, 08:18
and the "D" is in there for..... ?
I'd say because ID usually means identification.
Inconel710
10-24-2011, 08:34
And this is why I wear blaze orange when hiking in the woods in the fall. I agree, the hunter should be charged with negligence.
villageidiot
10-24-2011, 08:49
I don't always carry a controller with me, but when I do its always a proportional integral derivative controller. Of course the pelvic inflammatory diease always goes along, and a photoionization detector and software to kill any process identifications I run across is usally with me.
Why do obscure acronyms and gun related forums always go hand in hand?
Limited GM
10-24-2011, 21:59
Well did he kill the guy?
Sorry if that was aimed at my post, Honestly can't remember. Like I mentioned the thing that stuck with me was how the guy who clearly was an avid hunter, had made such a grave error. I could see it happening.
Also knew an old black man who while spotlighting rabbits on a train tram mistook some dying fire embers for a pair of "haints" eyes. Shot a hobo in the feet with some #6's. Said the scream turned him white. [LOL]
True story....except the color changing part.
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