Modern 1911

[Atrain1]

Does anyone think the design of the 1911 will ever change? kind of like the Beretta did with the 92, kept the same look just changed it a little with the 90two to make it look more modern.

[JohnTRourke]

Why would you mess with perfection?

Nor do I see anyone around who could hold JMB's jockstrap

[Atrain1]

Why would you mess with perfection?

Nor do I see anyone around who could hold JMB's jockstrap I agree and would not purchase one do to the fact that it should never change, I am a die hard 1911 fan. But It would be interesting just to see what they would try to do to it.

[CO-Exprs]

Several companies have tried to "update" the 1911. Para, STI, Kimber and Wilson all have wide body designs. Para has the LDA. Smith has messed around with various attempts at updating as well. Some have been highly successful, while others have floundered. Even the 1911's we see on the shelf now are considerably messaged from the original. There isn't anything "perfect" about the 1911. If you drop $2k into a custom Glock, it would shoot awesome too. I love 1911's only for the reason that I can shoot them better than any other platform, but they are expensive to make, If you want them to be accurate, they have to be tight. If they are tight they are feed finicky and must be kept clean to function. A match 1911 barrel will last 80-100k rds. A stock glock barrel will go 250k and requires cleaning half as often. A match 1911 trigger lasts 10k rds for every 1lb of pull, so a 3lb trigger will only last 30k rds. A 3lb glock trigger will last twice that long and cost a few bucks to rebuild. If I could shoot a glock as well as a good 1911, I'd shoot glocks. As it stands, I am doomed to prefer a platform which costs 2x-4x more money and will last half as long. Poor me.

[Zundfolge]

CO-Exprs is correct. The doublestack 1911 is the modernized 1911 (and I'd specifically say the STI 2011/SVI Infinity framed guns are the great advancement ... more so than the Para).

[Atrain1]

CO-Exprs is correct. The doublestack 1911 is the modernized 1911 (and I'd specifically say the STI 2011/SVI Infinity framed guns are the great advancement ... more so than the Para). I am talking about changing how it looks.

[sneakerd]

Imho- the most major current alterations to the basic 1911 form are these: the external extractor, "monolith" frame and integral bull barrel- or any system that eliminates the barrel bushing. Already in use and they still don't alter the basic physics/design of the mechanism.

[Tanium Design]

Colt did try to do a modified and updated 1911 for the SOCOM Pistol trials. It eventually went to HK with the Mark 23. I think its hard to do much with the 1911 due to its slim profile and simplicity compared to more modern firearms. Might be interesting to see a striker fired 1911.

[jerrymrc]

I am talking about changing how it looks.

Kinda hard to do that. Now I like the 2011 and there are variations on a theme. I grew up with 1911's so certain things must be in the same place and work the same way. CZ-75 comes to mind. Yes there are things that are very different but the grip angle and controls are all in the same place.

Your not looking at how pretty it is when you are shooting it and for me the transition from my 1911 to my witness is seamless because in use everything is the same except for the width of the witness.

Just a thought.

[Omicron]

I've wondered for years how long it'll take someone to make a hybrid 1911/Glock. That is to say, looks like a 1911, handles like a 1911, single stack like a 1911, but without the exposed hammer and thumb safety - instead, a striker fire mechanism and Glock trigger. I think that'd be a great combo, and the best of both worlds. Or an abomination under God, take your pick. ;)

[jreifsch80]

the modernization of the 1911 also includes beaver tail grip safety, adjustable trigger, extended thumb safety, ambi. safety......

how much more "modernized" do you need? i guess if it ere a da/sa that would make it interesting too

[MCarp71]

I've wondered for years how long it'll take someone to make a hybrid 1911/Glock. That is to say, looks like a 1911, handles like a 1911, single stack like a 1911, but without the exposed hammer and thumb safety - instead, a striker fire mechanism and Glock trigger. I think that'd be a great combo, and the best of both worlds. Or an abomination under God, take your pick. ;)


Amen, I would love to see this!!

[Atrain1]

the modernization of the 1911 also includes beaver tail grip safety, adjustable trigger, extended thumb safety, ambi. safety......

how much more "modernized" do you need? i guess if it ere a da/sa that would make it interesting too I would not mind having a true SA/DA not a glorified single action (PARA LDA)

[CO-Exprs]

In most respects, nearly all modern semi autos stem from the 1911 design in some way. The High Power was an attempt to Europeanize the 1911 and the CZ75 copied the High Power. Beretta 92f copied the CZ. DA triggers, stikers, decocking levers, trigger safeties, linkless barrels... these are all "evolutions" of the species, but nearly every make out there can be traced back to the 1911. There are rare examples of total departure. The HK P7 was a masterful attempt to reinvent the wheel. It's interesting that the one, greatest feature of the 1911 is the least copied... the trigger. It has only been fitting that as function has changed over the years that form should follow. In terms of purely looking at the 1911, the custom IPSC race pistols are about as far removed from the original asthetics as you can get, while still maintaining the same function.

[JCS918]

Amen, I would love to see this!!

Wouldnt mind it either

[Honor Bound]

I've wondered for years how long it'll take someone to make a hybrid 1911/Glock. That is to say, looks like a 1911, handles like a 1911, single stack like a 1911, but without the exposed hammer and thumb safety - instead, a striker fire mechanism and Glock trigger. I think that'd be a great combo, and the best of both worlds. Or an abomination under God, take your pick. ;)

I'd have to go with "abomination". Taking away a 1911's trigger would be robbing the best feature of the platform.

I'm no gunsmith but the operation and function of the two sit at two separate ends of the spectrum.

Both are great designs but a hybrid that could reach the status of the other two would be a tricky.

HB

[Wolfen]

I've wondered for years how long it'll take someone to make a hybrid 1911/Glock. That is to say, looks like a 1911, handles like a 1911, single stack like a 1911, but without the exposed hammer and thumb safety - instead, a striker fire mechanism and Glock trigger. I think that'd be a great combo, and the best of both worlds. Or an abomination under God, take your pick. ;)


as long as they don't call it 1911 we are fine. Would not bother me one bit if they came out with something like that. I really do hate the grip angle of the glock and think that the 1911 has the best grip angle ever designed. Also, the actual grip of the 1911 fits my hand perfect, while the glock is just ok and the hk usp is downright horrible for me. 1911 grip frame design built like a glock would interest me for sure.

[tmckay2]

They can get rid of whatever they want except the trigger. Single best thing about it. Very easily adjusted, easy for beginners to squeeze rather than pull, very even and smooth action. It is by far the 1911's best feature and it's not even close. Personally I think hammer pistols also have an advantage

[Jefe's AR]

I'd call the 'bob' an improvement. :D

I love my 1911s and I prefer the grip to be bobbed. I just like the way it looks, feels, and carries. I also shoot it very well. I prefer the external hammer and I really like the safety system.

I watched a vid where the guy claimed that a 1911 w/ the original arched MSH had the same grip angle as a Glock. True? I really don't like the way a Glock feels in my hand. They also have no soul. I really do wish I liked them more as they are very good guns and a pretty reasonable price. Especially compared to the 1911.

Gratuitous pics. :D

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/ColoTJ/Random%20pics/IMG_0156.jpg

I also have a SA Loaded parkerized. Looking to sell if anyone is interested. ;)

[Jefe's AR]

They can get rid of whatever they want except the trigger. Single best thing about it. Very easily adjusted, easy for beginners to squeeze rather than pull, very even and smooth action. It is by far the 1911's best feature and it's not even close. Personally I think hammer pistols also have an advantage

x2.

[275RLTW]

In most respects, nearly all modern semi autos stem from the 1911 design in some way. The High Power was an attempt to Europeanize the 1911...

WHAT? No, the high power was JMB's design BEFORE he created the 1911. It just wasn't finalized until years after (1935) when the Belgum started using it. And it is not a copy of the 1911 as JMB had to aviod using his patents used on the 1911.

[Circuits]

WHAT? No, the high power was JMB's design BEFORE he created the 1911. It just wasn't finalized until years after (1935) when the Belgum started using it. And it is not a copy of the 1911 as JMB had to aviod using his patents used on the 1911.

By then they'd have expired. Patents only used to last 17 years.

[spqrzilla]

We know what JMB's designs before the 1911 looked like. The 1903 series (both as pocket pistols and the FN service auto). The 1902 series in .38 Auto. and the FN 1910.

[rondog]

If Hi-Point made a 1911......

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/gun%20funnies/hi-point1911.jpg

[Irving]

Haha, that's funny.

[spyder]

Does anyone think the design of the 1911 will ever change? kind of like the Beretta did with the 92, kept the same look just changed it a little with the 90two to make it look more modern.
it has been changing, just like the 90 two.

[spyder]

I would not mind having a true SA/DA not a glorified single action (PARA LDA)
colt made one, the colt double eagle, it sucked...

[losttrail]

Just my personal opinion, but I think the 1911 needs an appearance update about as much as a P51D Mustang.

Each one is as good as could ever be hoped for.

Love my Springfield 1911A1.

Would love to have the opportunity to fly in the sexiest plane ever built - P51D.

It's nice to dream.