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Just curious in a scenario with no ccw. You're driving to the shooting range and a few guys decide to taunt and start to threaten you for whatever reason. Is there legal actions you can take regarding your gun?
No legal recourse for being taunted.
Articulate with great detail exactly how you are being threatened.
Unless you are in fear of serious bodily injury to yourself or others, you would be best to leave the gun accessible but concealed.
Move to an area with witnesses. If you cannot remove yourself from the situation, call 911.
All situations are different. No one can tell you what to do. You will need to deal with each situation as they occur.
RCCrawler
05-11-2012, 19:51
If I am driving in my car, I turn, slow down, speed up, whatever it takes to get away from them and avoid the situation.
Great-Kazoo
05-11-2012, 19:55
You are in a vehicle, DRIVE AWAY, dial 911 and keep driving. ONCE you stop you might be tagged as the aggressor. AVOIDANCE is goal 1
Fail on your part for not having a hand gun accessible, IF the situation arose, where you may need it.
It is legal to transport a hand gun WITH OUT a permit from point A-B. Your vehicle is eminent domain.
Is it legal to take it out the car with you? Theoretically speaking lets say you get followed to a remote area some how and they come at you with baseball bats. (Disregarding whatever reason they're following you).
Tinelement
05-11-2012, 20:04
Is it legal to take it out the car with you? Theoretically speaking lets say you get followed to a remote area some how and they come at you with baseball bats. (Disregarding whatever reason they're following you).
Don't drive to a remote location.
If they are following you, drive to safety, not danger.
monganian
05-11-2012, 20:42
some how and they come at you with baseball bats. (Disregarding whatever reason they're following you).
I'd say that if they have left their car and are walking towards yours, you should have ample opportunity to turn your car and drive in some other direction... do everything stated above, avoid the situation, call 911, drive away, don't touch your firearm until all other options are exhausted and using it is the only option. I really doubt that pulling out your pistol would defuse any situation, and from what I've been told, stopping your car and getting out with a pistol in your hand wouldn't stand up too well in court.
Great-Kazoo
05-11-2012, 21:11
I'd say that if they have left their car and are walking towards yours, you should have ample opportunity to turn your car and drive in some other direction... do everything stated above, avoid the situation, call 911, drive away, don't touch your firearm until all other options are exhausted and using it is the only option. I really doubt that pulling out your pistol would defuse any situation, and from what I've been told, stopping your car and getting out with a pistol in your hand wouldn't stand up too well in court.
Correct, you have / had the flight option and did not use it.
Prosecution: So Mr. Deagler given the opportunity to drive away, You chose to stop your car, get out then indiscriminately start shooting at them. EVEN Though they were merely trying to return a wallet they thought you dropped at the gas station, CORRECT Mr. Deagler? You took 2 lives and seriously injured 1 more just because you had a gun!.
Meet our local Zimmerman, hope you're half something other than white.
I suggest you have the mods delete this entire back and forth you OP'd, just in case. Gun Boards ,the newest facebook "OOPS i didn't really mean what i typed "forum.
There is no scenario you can create with your line of thinking that will be okay for what you are talking about. Just get a CCW, or don't, but some formal training in a class that covers how to adjust your mindset for carrying would be greatly beneficial to you.
If you are in a perfectly good vehicle, and you get out to confront a hostile party, you are often playing right into their hand.
Just look at current events.
The reporters in Norfolk who were beaten we're idiots to get out of the car to confront the vandals. If he had been carrying, he would have been even more stupid to confront the rock (or brick) thrower. Someone could have ended up dead.
Correct, you have / had the flight option and did not use it.
Prosecution: So Mr. Deagler given the opportunity to drive away, You chose to stop your car, get out then indiscriminately start shooting at them. EVEN Though they were merely trying to return a wallet they thought you dropped at the gas station, CORRECT Mr. Deagler? You took 2 lives and seriously injured 1 more just because you had a gun!.
Meet our local Zimmerman, hope you're half something other than white.
I suggest you have the mods delete this entire back and forth you OP'd, just in case. Gun Boards ,the newest facebook "OOPS i didn't really mean what i typed "forum.
lol im not worried bro. i was just curious thats all. highly doubt ill end up in any situations like these.
Great-Kazoo
05-12-2012, 05:29
lol im not worried bro. i was just curious thats all. highly doubt ill end up in any situations like these.
EVERY person every interviewed by the media ALL say the same thing
" You never thought it could happen here This is a quiet neighborhood"
" We mover here because Everyone said this was a good place to live"
" Everyone here is shocked, he seemed like a nice guy, great with the kids, always helped you shovel snow etc"
Yep NO ONE EVER thinks / doubts it could happen to them.
It doesn't look like a CHP has any relationship to this scenario - how you carry in your car or in your hand.
Bailey Guns
05-12-2012, 08:46
If you can ask yourself the following two questions and get an honest "Yes" to both, you should be able to answer any "What if" question you can come up with:
Do you have a REASONABLE belief:
A lesser degree of force is inadequate to stop the threat?
Am I in imminent danger of suffering death or serious bodily injury?
Those are the two basic conditions that must exist prior to using deadly force.
You also need to have a thorough understanding of certain legal terms such as "serious bodily injury". If you don't understand what these types of things mean according to Colorado statutes, you don't understand what your options are.
A thorough understanding of the law is critical to staying out of trouble. That's why we spend a great deal of time on legal issues and what to do in the aftermath of a lethal force encounter in our CCW classes.
mcsurveyer1361
05-12-2012, 11:39
everyone has already stated the obvious dont use deadly force unless there is no other choice. Its nice to have a gun just in case but it will be all for not if your the one who ends up in jail.
If you can ask yourself the following two questions and get an honest "Yes" to both, you should be able to answer any "What if" question you can come up with:
Do you have a REASONABLE belief:
A lesser degree of force is inadequate to stop the threat?
Am I in imminent danger of suffering death or serious bodily injury?
Those are the two basic conditions that must exist prior to using deadly force.
You also need to have a thorough understanding of certain legal terms such as "serious bodily injury". If you don't understand what these types of things mean according to Colorado statutes, you don't understand what your options are.
A thorough understanding of the law is critical to staying out of trouble. That's why we spend a great deal of time on legal issues and what to do in the aftermath of a lethal force encounter in our CCW classes.
Couldn't have put it better if I tried. Although I will add this: What if doesn't exist. I only deal in "at that time." I had a LEO friend of mine tell me that his CPT always tells him before any interview with DA, IA, etc. "Never deal with 'what if.'"- okay what if you didn't pull your weapon or what if you could have walked away, blah blah blah, no. I say if you, at that moment, feel honest to God that you are in danger of death or serious bodily injury then do what you must to protect yourself and are comfortable in doing. I don't deal in what ifs, I deal in certainty. If someone asked me, in a court of law, because I shot someone in self defense, some stupid "well what if..." I would say "I don't deal in what ifs, I felt justified in my actions at that moment and used the necessary force I deemed logical to end the threat." [Beer]
Bailey Guns
05-15-2012, 14:22
There's a great benefit to running certain "what if" scenarios through your mind in order to formulate a plan of action. Another term for it is "visualization".
Yes, avoid any confrontation at all costs. But remember, Colorado law allows you to carry a loaded handgun in your vehicle to protect yourself, without a permit. So, if you're cornered and can't get away, and they're coming to your vehicle, and they see your gun and attack anyway, I'd have to say the law would be on your side.
SideShow Bob
05-15-2012, 16:24
Something very similar situation happened to me, with the exception of being forced off the road. When I exited my vehicle I had a cocked and locked 1911 aimed at the biggest and closest red neck.
I never saw a bunch of white boys run so fast or jump so high to get back into their pick up.
Needless to say, as soon as I got back on the road, I took a left at Albuquerque.
rockhound
05-30-2012, 00:12
lol im not worried bro. i was just curious thats all. highly doubt ill end up in any situations like these.
No never, they tried to carjack my dad a few years ago, his pump action saved his life, he is retired le, never fired his weapon once on the job, had to retire to do that
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