I got shorted 100 rounds on a sale with glennski; what would you do?

[General Disarray]

Basically I bought a case of ammo from an active member named glennski, and the case was short over 100 rounds (112). Glen said he never counted the case himself, but his friend he got it from "swears he counted it twice". At first I thought he was willing to square it up as he said he would, but after a big run around he's no longer communicating. Without getting into the myriad of details, the basics are:


I told him I counted it and it was short, and he said he'd drop off the 100 rounds on his way thru my area the following Wed. I said great, but I didn't want anymore steel cased (there were 250 in the case already). He said it'd be brass cased.
I called to make a plan to meet Tues, and he said he "ran all over town, couldn't find brass, so got me 100 steel case rounds". I asked him why he'd do that when I had already made it clear I didn't want more steel; he offered to just pay me cash then, and we agreed on $30.
In the interest of keeping it simple I suggested just mailing it instead of meeting as the point of the meeting was to give me the brass rounds, and I'm about 25 miles from I-70. He said it'd be in the mail by days end (Tues)
I waited til that Sat., and texted asking if the $$ had been mailed yet. He said no, his wife must have forgot to drop it in the mail, but it would go out Mon. I said I'd be in his area on Monday and could pick it up; he said he was "too busy, and the mail would be easier". No problem, thanks.
I texted Wed asking if it was mailed yet (I'm 1 day away in Carbondale), and he said it had, but also that his friend who he got the case from "swears he pre-counted it twice, and it definitely wasn't short".
I texted Thurs when it didn't arrive in the mail, and he said he mailed the cash Mon. even though he "knows the case wasn't short" (although he admits he never himself counted it), and to stop bothering him and "never contact him again".

He claims I'm "up to something here" as he mailed *cash* to me Monday, and has a receipt from the P.O. (for a .44 cent stamp?), although he refuses to text a photo of it. I'd assume it was in fact lost in the mail if he'd provide the alleged receipt, but he's cut off communication. Glen, why don't you post a photo of that receipt here, and we'll know you're not just telling stories.

I'm apparently "up to something" cuz I didn't come meet him last Wed. like we 1st planned; doesn't seem to matter that he didn't have brass rounds he said he'd provide after I made it clear I didn't want more steel; and further I did ask to meet him Monday when I came back over. Not sure how any of that is evidence I'm "up to something", but he's convinced.

Each time he's said he mailed it Monday he adds, "even though I know the case wasn't short". I myself have counted it 3 times to be sure, as its a mix of boxes (240), stripper clips (350), a box of steel case (140), and a gallon bag of loose ones (160). I honestly want this behind me, but now its a matter of principle as not only has he jerked me around on this for two weeks, he's now calling me a liar and accusing me of being "up to something". Yes, he apparently believes this is all a big rouse on my part to squeeze him for 100 rounds of ammo.

What would you do? I never haggled on the price, and I didn't count it out in front of him trusting on his word it was all there. Then I find out he never counted it, but is calling me a liar based on what his friend allegedly claims. The Mods I first asked about this said I might as well just get over it; maybe he's right. I'm hoping input from the community might persuade Glen to man up, do what he said he'd do, honor the fact that he shorted me, and square it up.

[yankeefan98121]

you already did it

[lpgasman]

That sucks man, if he shorted you he needs to make it good. That's why I like this forum (accountability) How can he know if he never counted it? I have never delt with the guy, maybe he will make it good after all.

[Marlin]

Just what the hell are the Mods suppose to do about it anyway? Didn't realize it was in the job description to referee every deal that happens on this board.
You're doing about the only thing you can do at the moment, call him out, give negative feedback, get it resolved.

[General Disarray]

Just what the hell are the Mods suppose to do about it anyway? Didn't realize it was in the job description to referee every deal that happens on this board.
You're doing about the only thing you can do at the moment, call him out, give negative feedback, get it resolved.

No offense intended, sir. Perhaps I should rephrase that better regarding the response from the Mod I contacted. I was just pointing out I had first asked a mod about this, and obviously there wasn't much on his part that could be done, and that I was now taking it to the community at large. I have seen members on other forums banned for screwing another member on a deals even smaller than this (as its about the principle not the value), but hopefully nothing like that has to happen here.

[Marlin]

Well, from what I saw down in the mod cave, It was getting worked on. Consensus says, give it a week or two, try for some type of resolution. If that doesn't occur, send me the name of the other involved party, and I will personally ban him.

[Great-Kazoo]

He offered to reimburse you a price which you both agreed on and your bitchin??

[Squeeze]

Good that you're using the forum to call him out. I've never dealt with the guy or even know who he is for that matter. Although, since he shorted you on the deal...he needs to man up and make it right. Either get you the 100 rounds or the $30 cash, but make it right.

[RCCrawler]

He offered to reimburse you a price which you both agreed on and your bitchin??

Sounds like he agreed to it, but never actually did it.

[birddog]

I will be curious to see how this shakes out. I traded with glennski for a rifle and it was super easy. I think our deal was a little more simple though but he seemed like a nice guy then.

[Wiggity]

You should have made sure of what you were buying before you bought it. That part is your fault. Stop making bad business decisions then crying about it.

[BPTactical]

Good that you're using the forum to call him out.

I disagree.
A private deal is a private deal and should be kept in private. Keep your beef to PM's and phone calls.
If you want to explain the occurance that is best kept within the confines of the feedback section but only after all reasonable means of solving the issue are exhausted.
As to the timeframe-a few days to work out an issue is nothing, give it some time.
Is this a willful deception or just a gross misunderstanding?
100 rounds of ammo or 30.00 cash is pretty small potatoes to me as well for a big to do.
Is conducting transactions in this manner acceptable- Absolutley not.
But I dont feel airing dirty laundry publicly is either unless it is a substantial and willful burn job.
JMHO


You should have made sure of what you were buying before you bought it. That part is your fault.


Very valid point Wiggity


Bottom line-Caveat Emptor

[jerrymrc]

You should have made sure of what you were buying before you bought it. That part is your fault. Stop making bad business then crying about it.

There is that point but if someone is out to deceive..... I bought a case of "sealed" ammo from a member. Look what I found when I opened it. only 40 rds short but ya get the idea. http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac44/jerrymrc/toys/guns125Small.jpg

[BPTactical]

There is that point but if someone is out to deceive..... I bought a case of "sealed" ammo from a member. Look what I found when I opened it. http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac44/jerrymrc/toys/guns125Small.jpg

Those are some well armed mice.............

[sniper7]

I would like to gear glennski tell his side of the story.

General Disarray you should put together all the pm's and any other conversations between you two. Don't post private info though. That's a big no-no.

If your claim is indeed true and glennski hasn't resolved the situation in a timely manned he should be at a minimum banned from the trading post.

It is a pain but I think you should have sort of checked the round count. 100 rounds is a pretty easy amount to see is missing from the numbers you posted but it doesn't mean he isn't responsible.

[kidicarus13]

If a member (with good feedback) tells me he's selling me a case of ammo I don't feel the need to count the case on the spot before handing over the cash, I give him the benefit of the doubt and trust him. That's the advantage of buying/selling on COAR, it's not Craig's List! You should be able to trust people on here.

GD- With the limited info you provided I would have to side with you. Bottom line: Glennski should've went out his way to make it right since he shorted you, not make excuses and prolong the process. Make it right with 121rds, not 100; or $30 or whatever you two agree on.

I hope things get worked out and I commend you for leaving negative feedback when it was appropriate (assuming the facts as they were given were accurate). I agree that it's a private transaction, but I do not want the same thing to happen to me if that is Glennski's way of dealing with this situation.

[HBARleatherneck]

he should be at a minimum banned from the trading post.

It is a pain but I think you should have sort of checked the round count. 100 rounds is a pretty easy amount to see is missing from the numbers you posted but it doesn't mean he isn't responsible.

but, what if you only use this forum as a trading post? then you are banned from the whole thing.

and come on. a man tells you there is x amount, you take his word for it.
how many people are going to count out a thousand rounds or whatever amount in public, while making a deal? you take the other mans word for it. if he never counted them before selling them as a certain number, then he is wrong.(in that part).

unfortunately, not every deal goes right. i personally wouldnt have posted this thread here. i probably would have tried to work it out, through email and pm. if that failed i would post negative feedback and a write up, in the feedback section.

[blacklabel]

What would I have done? Probably taken the 100 rounds of steel cased and been done with it.

[cebeu]

"...all the pm's and any other conversations between you two."

Some advice, save your PM traffic for failing deals locally and do not rely on 'Sent Box' storage by the site provider.

[UncleDave]

Those are some well armed mice.............

That's funny right there.

[Gunner]

What would I have done? Probably taken the 100 rounds of steel cased and been done with it.

Yup.
This all seems like way to much work. I have been shorted here more than one time from members. I honestly don't think they knew it. I have never once told them or made a big deal. I man up.leave good feedback becuase I truly enjoyed the person and what they bring to the site then move on. Sometimes its not worth it. But I guess it all depends on the person you are.

Now if we were going to meet and I drove a distance and you never showed etc well now we got problems....... GD Armslist

So you guys are both men.. you share the same interests.. just get it figured out. COAR is not a courtroom with a jury and judge. Shit happens.


Oh I have never met Gen D or Glenn

[cofi]

I disagree.
A private deal is a private deal and should be kept in private. Keep your beef to PM's and phone calls.
If you want to explain the occurance that is best kept within the confines of the feedback section but only after all reasonable means of solving the issue are exhausted.
As to the timeframe-a few days to work out an issue is nothing, give it some time.
Is this a willful deception or just a gross misunderstanding?
100 rounds of ammo or 30.00 cash is pretty small potatoes to me as well for a big to do.
Is conducting transactions in this manner acceptable- Absolutley not.
But I dont feel airing dirty laundry publicly is either unless it is a substantial and willful burn job.
JMHO



Very valid point Wiggity


Bottom line-Caveat Emptor


This....you should at the very lleast kept his name out of this thread untill the deal was resolved one way or the other

[sniper7]

but, what if you only use this forum as a trading post? then you are banned from the whole thing.

and come on. a man tells you there is x amount, you take his word for it.
how many people are going to count out a thousand rounds or whatever amount in public, while making a deal? you take the other mans word for it. if he never counted them before selling them as a certain number, then he is wrong.(in that part).

unfortunately, not every deal goes right. i personally wouldnt have posted this thread here. i probably would have tried to work it out, through email and pm. if that failed i would post negative feedback and a write up, in the feedback section.


If someone uses this place strictly for the trading post and a deal goes bad like this and it isn't made right? good riddance.

On a small deal like this I believe it would have been pretty easy to see that 100 rounds were missing. I am all for trusting other members but I would also take a look at what I am buying and make sure that is what I wanted.

and it sounds like he tried to make it right, waited a decent amount of time to no avail. at least he is warning the rest of us.

[Sparky]

If the guy shorted you. You have every right to complain. I am sure he would have if you shorted him $30.

[Wiggity]

If the guy shorted you. You have every right to complain. I am sure he would have if you shorted him $30.



He didn't even check to see if he was buying what they had agreed upon. The only person he should be complaining about is himself for being a dumbass and allowing this to happen when he could have easily prevented the whole situation.


But instead he started a new thread bitching and moaning and pointing the finger over a whole 100 rounds.


I have little patience for people who do stupid shit, blame someone else, and cry about it.

[Fentonite]

"there's two sides to every story, and the truth is usually somewhere it the middle". I expect that's the case here. I've dealt with Glennski multiple times, and always found him to be honest. This description of events surprises me.

Seems like the feedback forum is the right spot for a beef like this. Something strikes me wrong about posting a personal issue like this. Maybe it's just me.

[BlasterBob]

But instead he started a new thread bitching and moaning and pointing the finger over a whole 100 rounds.


ONLY a 100 rounds?? It is the principle of the thing!! If we give our word on something, we should make damn sure it is accurate and correct. I guess that's just the way us OLD guys feel and deal.[Beer]

[lpgasman]

He didn't even check to see if he was buying what they had agreed upon. The only person he should be complaining about is himself for being a dumbass and allowing this to happen when he could have easily prevented the whole situation.


But instead he started a new thread bitching and moaning and pointing the finger over a whole 100 rounds.


I have little patience for people who do stupid shit, blame someone else, and cry about it.

Ya he should have checked it, but glennski should have too. He admitted he didnt, so he doesn't know how many rounds were there either. If you were shorted 100rds I guess you wouldn't care, I would. People should be able to trust each other on here. It's a shitty situation, who knows if it can be resolved.

[glennski]

Jeff, you are starting to bore the hell out of me:

Not to long ago I told a close friend I wanted a 1000 rounds of 223 ammo. We put together a trade and I got the ammo from him. Since i've been buying selling and trading with him for years now I didn't even look in the box. Soon after I needed some cash for a stock so I listed the ammo. As I told everyone who ask questions about the ammo I wasn't sure what I had other then 1000 rounds wasn't sure of the grain of bullet, wasn't sure of what was brass and what was steel.

So skip forward, met Jeff showed him the ammo, he purchased it. Next morning got text and PM from Jeff it was sent at 1:30am. I responded around 7am.

From Jeff: Hey I counted the ammo 4 times (not 3, please keep your stories straight) there is only 890 (again keep your stories straight) rounds I want my money back....

From Me: Hey sorry about that I had no idea never counted it. I will be more then happy to drive this morning and give you the ammo. Whatever you'd like me to do. Or I will be driving by on Wednesday to go to UT I can drop it off then.

From Jeff: Ok, lets do Wednesday.

So, the Tuesday before I called him and told him I purchased 120 rounds of steel ammo i'd be bringing and he told me he'd rather have the $30, I said fine even though I'd just spend $43 on the steel ammo. I asked him where he'd like to meet and he told me he'd rather have me mail it. I said fine. I put $30 in an envelope put it on the counter and forgot about it. I came home that Sunday which was last weekend found I didn't send it contacted Jeff told him I'd send it in the morning. He did mention he'd be in town and he could meet me. I had a ton or work to do and I told him it if was still ok for me to mail it and he said no problem. So I did Monday at the post office (cant find the receipt, still looking though).

During all this B.S. with Jeff I contacted my good friend and he told me he counted the ammo 2 times before giving it to me and is 100% sure there was 1000 rounds. So when Jeff text me later in the week telling me he didn't get the money again when he should have I started to think he's trying to lie to me again. So I text him telling him that I was done with him. He then called right after, I explained to him he should have gotten the money by now and he'd been lying the whole time. "He then said, why would you send cash in the mail"....at that point we hadn't spoken about how I'd sent the money. So I hung up the phone.

Jeff:
I don't hide behind the internet, I stand by my words. I've done hundreds of gun deals and have never had a single issue. I WILL NOT do another thing regarding this issue. If I get kicked off this site then so be it. You are a low life pile of crap and I'm done with you.

[Wiggity]

ONLY a 100 rounds?? It is the principle of the thing!! If we give our word on something, we should make damn sure it is accurate and correct. I guess that's just the way us OLD guys feel and deal.[Beer]



Well not everyone is like you. The world is full if pieces of shit and it's your responsibility to watch your back.

[sniper7]

He didn't even check to see if he was buying what they had agreed upon. The only person he should be complaining about is himself for being a dumbass and allowing this to happen when he could have easily prevented the whole situation.


But instead he started a new thread bitching and moaning and pointing the finger over a whole 100 rounds.


I have little patience for people who do stupid shit, blame someone else, and cry about it.

there is also a trust factor though among the members. Especially ones who you see around quite a bit. If I shorted someone 100 rounds I would know it is because they trust me due to my feedback and history on the site. I would also make sure it was made right. Mistakes happen but this should have been an easy fix.

[SA Friday]

This discussion is premature IMO, and I'm not sure how ifeel about it in open forum. I do know that mail can take weeks and not days anymore. I regularly get month old mail from Merto State to my house in castle rock. So, short of 30 days, voicing that you were wronged is jumping the gun.

I have more thoughts on this, but have to clock in. I will say though, everyone tread carefully here. This thread is volatile. Don't make us regret leaving this open.

[tmckay2]

Here's a better question. What if you did count the rounds and the guy you sold to swears up and down you shorted him? Who's right? Who gets the benefit of the doubt?

[General Disarray]

"He then said, why would you send cash in the mail"....at that point we hadn't spoken about how I'd sent the money. So I hung up the phone.

Well, here we go with he said/she said, but whatever. I'm not surprise you don't remember exactly what transpired in that conversation as you were ranting and yelling making wild accusations when I was trying to calmly explain I wasn't accusing you of not having sent it, or that your friend was a liar; I was just saying I hadn't gotten the $$. At that point I'd assumed it was a check, cuz who sends cash in the mail? YOU yelled, "I stuck the cash in a envelope and mailed it Monday!". That's when I asked "you mailed cash in the mail?", and you said "yes cuz that's what you said you wanted". I never said that, but whatever; Glen you told me you mailed cash, and now you're twisting this around with nonsense.

You said you had a receipt from the Post Office as proof you sent it Monday. Why not just post a picture of it? Or were you making that up too, like when you said you'd mailed it the 1st time, etc?


You are a low life pile of crap and I'm done with you.

Ok then. Stay classy Glen.

[Wiggity]

Someone please close this embarrassment of a thread

[jmg8550]

I agree. To both parties... buyer and seller beware.

[SA Friday]

Well enough of that.