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Next one is June 2 at CRC in Byers.
I am thinking of going with 4 shotgun stages.
Will have about 10 slugs and 10 rounds of buckshot, 75 rounds of birdshot. We'll have some flippers and the windmill.
Please say this isn't a joke! Four stages of all shotgun would be awesome!
Not a Joke at all.
We will be running at least 2 stages that will allow you to compare your times against others who have run the same drills.
The set-ups won't be tough. IF we have enough people that want to run the stages again, we can do one or more of them again for practice.
Set-up at 7:30, hope to shoot by 9:30, $20 (second time free if we get enough).
Round count (required) is 8 slug, 6 buckshot, 68 birdshot.
Will the divisions still be essentially the same: tac ops and limited shotguns since they are the same, open, and heavy metal? Sounds fun to me, but then again, the shotgun is my favorite part of 3 gun!
BP
Will the divisions still be essentially the same: tac ops and limited shotguns since they are the same, open, and heavy metal? Sounds fun to me, but then again, the shotgun is my favorite part of 3 gun!
BP
We will have Open, Tactical (Tactical, Limited, HM-Tactical which are all Auto, 8+1) and HM-Limted (Pump, 8+1)
Remember, 4 stages of shotgun tomorrow...
We ran a small local match today and several standards/drills type stages. We had a pretty good spread of shooters. We had an Open B class pistol shooter shoot the stages with us which gives some semblance of comparison (he put the requisite number of rounds in mags and did reloads at the same places).
Load 12 Shotgun Challenge
Ron W (Open Pistol) 13.81
Eric M 14.76 (12.89)
Mark P 17.12 (14.24)
Jay W 21.18 (17.59)
Dan B 21.63 (22.10)
Dan T 28.39
Chris P 31.45
Sid S 33.38
Clay Standards
Eric M 5.08
Mark P 6.19
Jay Weers 6.39
Dan B 7.10
Ron W (Open Pistol) 7.36
Sid S 10.01
Dan T 10.43
Chris P 10.84
Flippin' & Steelin'
Ron W (Open Pistol, no clays) 25.14
Eric M 26.09
Mark P 32.49
Jay W 40.64
Dan T 46.07
Dan B 49.22
Sid S 50.08
Chris P 59.01
Heavy Standards
Eric M 33.26
Jay W 36.72
Mark P 39.86
Ron w (Open pistol) 40.28
Sid S 49.20
Dan B 50.78
Dan T 56.00
Chris P 84.97
Payne's 6 Dollar Square Dance
Eric M 29.99
Mark P 31.59
Jay W 42.17
Dan B 47.61
Chris P 59.98
Dan T 62.63
Sid S 99.45
Ron W 183.02 (Open Pistol, 33.02 raw)
Overall Finals for the match were:
Eric M 100%
Mark P 85.4%
Jay W 75.17% (HML)
Ron W 75.11% (Open Pistol)
Dan B 64.29%
Dan T 52.91%
Sid S 49.00%
Chris P 45.42%
Thanks to the willing guinea pigs who showed up for an all shotgun match!
Next MG match is July 7 at CRC.
Open for suggestions on format...
Standard MG (4 3 gun stages) or Two Gun (4 Pistol/Carbine stages) or One gun (5 Carbine only stages)?
DeusExMachina
06-04-2012, 13:40
2 or 1 gun would be awesome!
I vote for either the full 3 gun stages or at least 2 gun stages. I could use both the rifle and pistol practice!
BP
What do you need to practice on pistol?
Looks like a 2 gun match is in the making...
CO-Exprs
06-05-2012, 16:09
Not to be the fly in the pudding, but I can get very effective single gun practices and drills right here at my home range. I drive to Byers for comprehensive 3 gun matches. No point in an all pistol match and we already have a monthly tactical rifle match at Pueblo. No draw for me there. A full on shotgun match sounds fun, but running it as standards and practice drill type stuff doesn't offer much appeal for me.
Flys get swatted into oblivion...
It's great that you are so good you don't need practice on the shotgun, but what we did last week was very beneficial for those who wanted to improve their shotgun skillset.
Running a 2 gun match (sans shotgun) has the potential to pull in some pistol shooters who are still scared of the shotgun aspects of 3 Gun.
YammyMonkey
06-05-2012, 22:11
Not sure if I can make it out or not, but I think it would be interesting to run stages with dramatic changes in distance to the target. For pistol, maybe work some cardboard within 5-10 yards to place an emphasis on speed, then make the shooters transition to 25 or even 50 yard steel. Same for the rifle. Make the shooters shift gears dramatically.
At least I think that would make for some interesting and informative stages. [Twist]
i would be interested in shooting this if it was a pistol/carbine match only as i do not own a tactical or three gun shotgun yet, my issue is there is a high power match that day over on the high power range that i need to shoot what time do you start shooting? most cases it wont work out. however i will swing by once i am done and say hello to a few of you.
DeusExMachina
06-05-2012, 23:17
As someone who has only shot pistol matches and not carbine/pistol, a 2-gun match would be great to get into multi gunning. Personally I don't really like shotgun.
CO-Exprs
06-06-2012, 08:37
Swatted to oblivion... Hmmm...
Didn't say I don't practice. Only that I don't need to drive two hours to shoot the drills. I can and frequently do that at my home range. I did last night and the guy I practiced with (from Texas) will most likely be ordering some pin wheels as soon as he gets home (after going from an 11sec weak hand reload to a 6.5sec load two reload in less than 20min).
You asked for oppinions... Sorry if mine is to shoot all three guns.
I just hate flies...
Guess I should have put one of those smilies in there.[ROFL1]
My reason, as a MD, for trying some other formats is exactly what was posted by coop68 and DeusExMachina.
They come on out, get addicted, then they HAVE to give shotgun a whirl.[Beer]
What do you need to practice on pistol?
Looks like a 2 gun match is in the making...
I seem to struggle with steel. Any steel. I do fine on paper (bigger targets and two hits anywhere), but put steel in front of me and I fold like a cheap tent. I think front sight and trigger control are a part of this. I enjoyed the shotgun match and I like the idea of at least a 2 gun match, but I do love shooting all three. I'll be there regardless because I love to shoot![Beer]
BP
DeusExMachina
06-11-2012, 22:02
I seem to struggle with steel. Any steel. I do fine on paper (bigger targets and two hits anywhere), but put steel in front of me and I fold like a cheap tent. I think front sight and trigger control are a part of this. I enjoyed the shotgun match and I like the idea of at least a 2 gun match, but I do love shooting all three. I'll be there regardless because I love to shoot![Beer]
BP
Steel Challenge is this Saturday at CRC. It's a good time!
Steel Challenge is this Saturday at CRC. It's a good time!
200 rounds at steel should cure you...I'd bring 300 rounds total.
snakedoctor
06-12-2012, 10:24
Is the next 3Gun Match still on schedule for July 7th? Anywhere I can download a stage print out and round count?
Yes and no.
Round count I am hoping for is about 60 pistol and 80 rifle. I have not drawn out the stages yet. But 4 stages with pistol and rifle on all 4.
YammyMonkey asked for some large distance changes...so be prepared for that on at least one stage. There will be a stage with a lot of pistol steel and probably some Clayoreos at 50 yards.
No shotgun??? Gotta have shotgun as I just got a new semi-auto shotty and would love to break it in at this match.
Okay, here is my final plan.
4 stages with rifle and pistol for the match score. Plan for about 65 rounds of each.
1 stage of all shotgun, birdshot only, 24 rounds, optional fun shoot.
DeusExMachina
06-27-2012, 16:08
Planning on making this as my first multigun match. What do I need to know as far as first time shooter/safety meeting, and cost?
Planning on making this as my first multigun match. What do I need to know as far as first time shooter/safety meeting, and cost?
$20 to shoot. Be there by 7:30 to help set up and shoot for $15.
I am going to try to get us started by 9am this month.
We'll pair you with a veteran and help you through it.
DeusExMachina
06-27-2012, 16:16
$20 to shoot. Be there by 7:30 to help set up and shoot for $15.
I am going to try to get us started by 9am this month.
We'll pair you with a veteran and help you through it.
I posted in the other thread, but this might be more relevant for the CRC MG matches as I know rules are different. Where do suppressors put you?
MarkCO:
Sounds like some great stages and I appreciate the addition of a shotgun stage. Can't wait until the 7th.
MadDog
I'd definitely do this (especially as I am shotgun-less currently) but unfortunately I'm on call that weekend. :(
RobertB:
If things change and you can make the match, you can always use my AR style 12ga. Just bring your on birdshot.
MadDog
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DeusExMachina
06-28-2012, 13:34
Sounds like the shotgun stage is a side match anyway.
thermobollocks
07-02-2012, 14:42
About what distances/targets do you expect for rifle portions? I'm trying to decide whether to bring my midlength with unmagnified red dot, or my big fat magnified Larue and just deal with the forearm cramps.
Nothing past 45 yards for rifle or pistol. They are going to be pretty fast.
I'm planning on attending tomorrow. Still have a few questions;
This going to be my very first 3-gun. I've done IDPA... I've never practiced quick reloading of both my shotgun or my rifle. Is that still cool to participate?
Do we need to bring all our food and water? Meaning is t here facilities for that there or its strictly bring your own?
Just so I have an idea (not in any hurry) but what is the expected duration of the event? I know it depends on the number of participants, but just looking for a rough idea.
I don't have a shell caddy for my shotgun. I'm going to see if I can find one later today...
Like in IDPA can I just drop my rifle mags on the ground or do we have to have a bag to put them in?
Sorry for all the questions. I just want to be somewhat prepared.
See you guys tomorrow at CRC!!!!!!!
DeusExMachina
07-06-2012, 10:19
Random question, I have a new Saiga 12 I'd like to run in the shotgun bonus stage. I don't have enough magazines (a 10 and a 5) to run the whole thing. Does anyone have a 10 round magazine I could borrow for it?
Otherwise, I'll just bring my 11-87. And if anyone wants to borrow my 11-87 to use, let me know!
DeusExMachina
07-06-2012, 10:21
I'm planning on attending tomorrow. Still have a few questions;
This going to be my very first 3-gun. I've done IDPA... I've never practiced quick reloading of both my shotgun or my rifle. Is that still cool to participate?
Do we need to bring all our food and water? Meaning is t here facilities for that there or its strictly bring your own?
Just so I have an idea (not in any hurry) but what is the expected duration of the event? I know it depends on the number of participants, but just looking for a rough idea.
I don't have a shell caddy for my shotgun. I'm going to see if I can find one later today...
Like in IDPA can I just drop my rifle mags on the ground or do we have to have a bag to put them in?
Sorry for all the questions. I just want to be somewhat prepared.
See you guys tomorrow at CRC!!!!!!!
I can tell you CRC only has outhouses, no running water. So bring food and water.
Pretty sure no problem dropping magazines.
One thing I was told, if you take a box of shotgun shells and turn them all one direction, you can tape it to yourself for a good free shell caddy. [Tooth]
I'm planning on attending tomorrow. Still have a few questions;
This going to be my very first 3-gun. I've done IDPA... I've never practiced quick reloading of both my shotgun or my rifle. Is that still cool to participate?
Do we need to bring all our food and water? Meaning is t here facilities for that there or its strictly bring your own?
Just so I have an idea (not in any hurry) but what is the expected duration of the event? I know it depends on the number of participants, but just looking for a rough idea.
I don't have a shell caddy for my shotgun. I'm going to see if I can find one later today...
Like in IDPA can I just drop my rifle mags on the ground or do we have to have a bag to put them in?
Sorry for all the questions. I just want to be somewhat prepared.
See you guys tomorrow at CRC!!!!!!!
I plan on being there. If you need to borrow some shot shell caddies you are more than welcome to borrow mine for the shotgun side stage. Magazines can be dropped without penalty. You'll need your own food and water. If you have any questions just ask. Multi-gun shooters, at least in my experience, are an extremely nice and helpful group of guys. It's one of the reasons why I keep with it!
BP
DocMedic
07-06-2012, 10:57
I'll be there, and also bringing the little lady.
Can't wait! Bringing lots of water. Might even go buy myself a bigger cooler tonight.
On a side note I'll also have shell caddies to loan out. I don't even mind lending out the shotgun for anyone wouldn't be able to shoot the extra stage otherwise.
Random question, I have a new Saiga 12 I'd like to run in the shotgun bonus stage. I don't have enough magazines (a 10 and a 5) to run the whole thing. Does anyone have a 10 round magazine I could borrow for it?
Otherwise, I'll just bring my 11-87. And if anyone wants to borrow my 11-87 to use, let me know!
Bring em both. It's a fun stage and if you want to hand a mag to someone to load while you are emptying the other, that is cool with me too.
thermobollocks
07-06-2012, 15:03
I've got a dumb new-at-multigun question.
In handgun competitions, when you're not actually shooting, the gun chills out in your holster. If you have one or more long gun in addition, how does that work out? Bagged or slung muzzle-up?
I've got a dumb new-at-multigun question.
In handgun competitions, when you're not actually shooting, the gun chills out in your holster. If you have one or more long gun in addition, how does that work out? Bagged or slung muzzle-up?
Not dumb at all.
Bagged is easiest, just make sure you are muzzle into berm when you bag and unbag. Can carry slung as well, chamber flags are a very good idea if carrying slung.
Sorry for yet another noob question;
But does the below mean 65 rounds of rifle, 65 rounds of whatever handgun caliber for each stage (4) for a total of 520 rounds for the match (roughly of course)?
Just want to make sure I bring enough ammo.
Okay, here is my final plan.
4 stages with rifle and pistol for the match score. Plan for about 65 rounds of each.
1 stage of all shotgun, birdshot only, 24 rounds, optional fun shoot.
Sorry for yet another noob question;
But does the below mean 65 rounds of rifle, 65 rounds of whatever handgun caliber for each stage (4) for a total of 520 rounds for the match (roughly of course)?
Just want to make sure I bring enough ammo.
No, not each stage, total. Actual minimums required are 66 pistol and 66 rifle. I'd bet the average shooter will got through about 90 rounds of each.
thermobollocks
07-07-2012, 17:19
Thanks for an awesome match, everyone!
That was a great time at CRC! When do you think the results will be ready?
I had a GREAT time!!! Thanks to all whom took time to "tutor" me for my first match. It was a lot of fun!
I met my goals; 1) Don't shoot myself, 2) Don't shoot anyone else, 3) Have fun!
I accomplished all three.
I did learn a lot about equipment...
I've got a lot of practice to do between now and the next "club" match!
I'll post the results up here by tomorrow afternoon. Thanks to everyone for coming on out!
thermobollocks
07-07-2012, 22:30
I had a GREAT time!!! Thanks to all whom took time to "tutor" me for my first match. It was a lot of fun!
I met my goals; 1) Don't shoot myself, 2) Don't shoot anyone else, 3) Have fun!
I accomplished all three.
I did learn a lot about equipment...
I've got a lot of practice to do between now and the next "club" match!
Rule of thumb: The previous owner is always wrong until proven otherwise
Thanks to everyone that came out and shot in the great weather. We had 5 or 6 1st time 3 gunners and 4 or 5 that came out to watch.
HM-Tactical
1. Adam C. 100% (4 stage wins)
Limited
1. Jerome W. 100% (1 stage win) 6th OA
2. Kaylan S 98.76% (2 stage wins) 7th OA
3. Brad O. 94.75% 8th OA
4, Dmitry C, 92.84% (1 stage win)
5. Parker N, 92.21% 10th OA
6. Andy R. 91.71% 9th OA
7. Jason H. 85.15%
8. Robert C, 76.70%
9. Phil C. 76.63%
10. Price M. 73.03%
11. TJ D. 70.52%
12. Scott T. 53.02%
13. Art A. 44.79%
14. Ian C. 33.49%
15. Cindy D. 29.69%
16. Paul C. DQ
Open
1. Curtis B. 100% (3 stage wins) HOA
2. Rick H. 81.47% (1 stage win) 3rd OA
3. Dan H. 51.61%
Tactical
1. Mark P. 100% (1 stage win) 2nd OA
2. John B. 92.90% (2 stage wins) 4th OA
3. Hung D. 90.41% 5th OA
4. Erika S. 66.66%
5. Gene G. 65.76%
6. Tyrone W, 63.24% (1 stage win)
7. Ed P. 53.75%
8. Tony L. 51.44%
9. Michael F. 50.92%
10. Clay S. 50.70%
Thanks to everybody who helped me through my first 3-gun. I got some good tips to help improve my shooting and tactics. Look forward to the next one.
Scott
Mark,
Thanks for posting the results quickly. Do you make the raw data available so that we can see how we did on individual stages and where the time came from (speed vs accuracy)?
Thanks,
Scott
Mark,
Do you make the raw data available so that we can see how we did on individual stages and where the time came from (speed vs accuracy)?
If you want the stage scores for your division, just drop me an e-mail and I can send you the file.
PlaceNameUSPSADivisionPFMatch PtsMatch %
1 Brotherston, Curtis TY61531 U OpenMinor 376.6787 100.000%
2 Passamaneck, Mark L3435 TacticalMinor 320.7272 85.146%
3 Hebert, Rick TY18366 OpenMinor 309.5430 82.177%
4 Beazley, John TY56017 TacticalMinor 302.6750 80.354%
5 Dang, Hung TacticalMinor 286.7343 76.122%
6 Weers, Jerome LimitedMinor 249.3917 66.208%
7 Shaffer, Kaylan LimitedMinor 239.2641 63.519%
8 Olson, Bradley 62189 LimitedMinor 229.8246 61.013%
9 Reinhardt, Andy LimitedMinor 228.6202 60.694%
10 Nash, Parker LimitedMinor 227.3877 60.366%
11 Chernyak, Dmitry LimitedMinor 226.8058 60.212%
12 Casanova, Adam TY55057 HM_TacticalMajor 224.6721 59.646%
13 Sanderson, Erika TacticalMinor 210.4721 55.876%
14 Griffin, Gene TacticalMinor 209.4235 55.597%
15 Huss, Jason LimitedMinor 207.1372 54.990%
16 Weers, Tyrone TacticalMinor 196.0479 52.046%
17 Harrison, Dan OpenMinor 192.7587 51.173%
18 Chastagner, Phil A8811 LimitedMinor 189.2837 50.251%
19 Christie, Robert LimitedMinor 187.5425 49.788%
20 McDonald, Price A51732 LimitedMinor 179.8397 47.744%
21 Davis, TJ LimitedMinor 178.4008 47.362%
22 Pettinger, Ed TacticalMinor 169.6881 45.048%
23 Framknecht, Michael TacticalMinor 164.6542 43.712%
24 Lytton, Tony TacticalMinor 160.4271 42.590%
25 Scherrer, Clay TacticalMinor 158.4915 42.076%
26 Turner, Scott LimitedMinor 127.2648 33.786%
27 Antiporda, Art LimitedMinor 112.0963 29.759%
28 Chestagner, Ian LimitedMinor 83.9284 22.281%
29 DeSplinter, Cindy LimitedMinor 74.6717 19.824%
DQed Clark Jr., Paul TY28779 LimitedMinor 0.000 00.000%
If you want the stage scores for your division, just drop me an e-mail and I can send you the file.
Email sent. Thanks.
We have one match left this year, October 6. Open to suggestions...2Gun, 3Gun, 2Gun with side-match, skill builders, all carbine...
We should have both a 100 and 200 yard berm available by that time.
DeusExMachina
07-10-2012, 12:01
There's no August or September match?
There's no August or September match?
No, August is just a week before RM3G. I might be out there doing some practice...
September, the ranges are being used for the Zoot Championship.
If there are at least 10 "new" 3 gunners that want to take a class, I might be inclined to run a course on Friday (October 5) and do 5 stages on Saturday (October 6).
I vote for 2-gun with an optional side match stage. Precision rifle, perhaps.
Put up a Poll, so vote for what you want.
What would a "Precision Side-Match" be? or comprised of?
What would a "Precision Side-Match" be? or comprised of?
Small targets from 50 to 200 yards. By small, I mean 1 to 4 inches (1 to 2 MOA).
DocMedic
07-11-2012, 10:42
If your going to make a Precision side match, stretch those targets to at least 800 yards.
If your going to make a Precision side match, stretch those targets to at least 800 yards.
That will make the targets way too thin and way too big.[ROFL1]
Holy Cow thats small!!!!!! That is truly precision. Would love to watch someone nail something that size at 200 yards.
Small targets from 50 to 200 yards. By small, I mean 1 to 4 inches (1 to 2 MOA).
What about an optional revolver stage?
CO-Exprs
07-12-2012, 09:40
I'm pretty sure revolvers are legal in tactical division.
I'm pretty sure revolvers are legal in tactical division.
Revolvers are legal in Open, Tactical and Limited with 9mm minimum. In Heavy, as long as it is not more than 10 rounds and is major (.45 ACP in HM-Limted) you can use them there too.
So right now, it is looking like a normal 3 Gun match.
October 6th MG. 4 stages with all three guns. If the 100 yards berm is complete, we will be shooting rifle out at 100 yards. In Open class only, you can chose to forgoe the shotgun and shoot ALL SG targets with your pistol.
Is the 100 yd been going in on the left or the right?
Is the 100 yd been going in on the left or the right?
Berm 12 (East, or right) will become the 100 yards berm. A 200 yard backstop is going in east of that. Berms 10 and 11 wil have the berm in between them shortened to make 2 short berms or one large one.
What will the approximate round count be and what time does the match start?
MadDog [Beer]
Set up at 7:30, hope to be shooting by 9:30.
Bringing 80 rounds per gun will get you through. 10 rounds of buck, 10 slugs and 60 birdshot for shotgun ammo.
Last match of 2012 is October 6. Plan on 60 rounds for each gun. 10 buckshot and 10 slugs.
We will shoot to 100 and or 200 yards if the berms are completed.
4 stages with all three guns. $20 match fee.
Set-up at 7:30, hope to shoot by 9:30.
snakedoctor
09-28-2012, 14:06
Whats the 10 buckshot rounds for?
Whats the 10 buckshot rounds for?
To shoot at targets. [ROFL1] Probably plates at like 20 yards.
Oh yeah, I forgot. IF you are in open, all steel is optional pistol or shotgun and the slug targets can be shot with pistol. So you could technically shoot in Open with a pistol and a carbine only.
snakedoctor
09-28-2012, 15:31
Typically how far out are the slug targets set? Also what's the most ammount of targets for a shotgun stage?
Typically how far out are the slug targets set? Also what's the most ammount of targets for a shotgun stage?
Slugs may be from 30 to 75 yards depending on if they get the 100 yard berm completed.
21 rounds will be max required round count for shotgun.
snakedoctor
09-29-2012, 17:12
Thanks Mark.
Anyone in the Colorado Springs area want to carpool to the Oct. 6th 3 Gun match?
Just for the purposes of planning ahead, a bit about 2013.
Feb will be a .22RF match (long rifle amo only), pistol (10 rounds) and rifle (10 rounds), all steel, 4 stages. No reloading and no brass to pick up in the potential cold month. $10 match fee.
March will be a typical 3 gun match that may have a few target presentations you will want to see for April.
April (4-6) is the Noveske USPSA Area 2 Multi-Gun match. 10 stages, $150.
May will be one course of fire, about 150 rounds. Pistol (50 rounds), Shotgun (40 rounds), Carbine (50 rounds out to 150 yards), Precision (10 rounds, 200 yards, 1-2 MOA 60 seconds PAR on this portion). You will cover about 300 yards. Probably on the order of a 10 minute long stage.
Out of curiosity(I'd use my shotgun anyway), why the option for open shooters to use pistol instead of shotgun?
BP
Out of curiosity(I'd use my shotgun anyway), why the option for open shooters to use pistol instead of shotgun?
BP
There are a few shooters who really like to shoot MG but have shoulder injuries and such so they can not shoot a shotgun. Just giving them a way to play at a local match. I might get a few who don't have a shotgun to try it also...all the better.
Thanks Mark.
Anyone in the Colorado Springs area want to carpool to the Oct. 6th 3 Gun match?
pm sent
CO-Exprs
09-29-2012, 23:25
OK, so the 1 giant stage in May sounds pretty fun.
Last match of 2012 is October 6. Plan on 60 rounds for each gun. 10 buckshot and 10 slugs.
We will shoot to 100 and or 200 yards if the berms are completed.
4 stages with all three guns. $20 match fee.
Set-up at 7:30, hope to shoot by 9:30.
Bring a rifle Sling!
I guess I will have to dig out my sling then.
I guess I will have to dig out my sling then.
If you can't find it, not a big deal. There will be options.
snakedoctor
10-02-2012, 10:24
Bring a rifle Sling!
Nevermind
To shoot at targets. [ROFL1] Probably plates at like 20 yards.
Buck Shot or Bird Shot, big difference? I have only shot the CRC match a few times and we have only used slugs and bird shot for those matches. Has this changed for Saturday's match?
MadDog
Buck Shot or Bird Shot, big difference? I have only shot the CRC match a few times and we have only used slugs and bird shot for those matches. Has this changed for Saturday's match?
MadDog
Sounds like there will be some buckshot targets this weekend. Bring 10rds of buckshot, along with 60rds of birdshot and 10 slugs.
Sounds like there will be some buckshot targets this weekend. Bring 10rds of buckshot, along with 60rds of birdshot and 10 slugs.
Yes!
Pretty excited! The weather is going to make this more interesting. Can't wait!!!
Please check here before heading out Saturday morning. Rain predicted for Friday and Snow for Saturday.
Reckon' that means a chance of a "rain/snow" out?
Reckon' that means a chance of a "rain/snow" out?
Unfortunately...but we can hope.[ROFL2]
Light snow here in Longmont this morning. I'm game for shooting in light snow if it doesn't get worse tomorrow, anyone else? Hate for there to be no more matches for the year.
MadDolg
It is not really the cold, or the snow, but the MUD. There is about 8 miles of dirt road that becomes treacherous when wet. With my 35" mudders, it is fine, but I can only put like 15 in the truck bed. :) A hard freeze would actually be better. It is this 30 to 40 degree temp that really sucks.
It is supposed to snow tonight through tomorrow morning.
IF I have to cancel, I will plan a clinic/practice session on October 20 at CRC with at least one stage to run that will have a lot of skill sets to test. That will both scratch the itch and allow some of the new folks to get some real good practice in.
I was lamenting this to my buddy about the potential cancellation. He made me think that it could also be a safety issue if its muddy. Running around and possibly discharging a firearm in a non-intended direction could be disastrous...
Just another perspective I wasn't thinking of...
snakedoctor
10-05-2012, 17:11
So, how's it looking... Are we gonna have a match?
KestrelBike
10-05-2012, 17:59
IF I have to cancel, I will plan a clinic/practice session on October 20 at CRC with at least one stage to run that will have a lot of skill sets to test. That will both scratch the itch and allow some of the new folks to get some real good practice in.
Do this anyways!!! [Weight]
I'd pay for this actually
Much as I hate to do it, I think it best to pull the plug on the match tomorrow. It will be cold and muddy.
I will plan for the clinic on October 20.
OCTOBER 6 MG at CRC Cancelled.
I'll look forward to attending the clinic then. I understand the reasons to cancel the competition...
snakedoctor
10-05-2012, 20:11
Can we do the match on the 20th instead?
DocMedic
10-05-2012, 20:14
damnit! now I have to go practice for OPEN nationals now :(
Can we do the match on the 20th instead?
Nope, there is steel challenge that weekend, so I can only use a few berms.
damnit! now I have to go practice for OPEN nationals now :(
Cool. Since it is my doing, when you win, I get half [Beer]
Dang that sucks.
I will see you guys on the 20th.
So what will the round count be for the practice session on the 20th and will be be using all three guns?
MadDog
So what will the round count be for the practice session on the 20th and will be be using all three guns?
MadDog
You will use 3 guns in some of the drills.
50 rounds of pistol ammo. I'd bring 200 each of rifle and shotgun and 20 buckshot and 20 slugs. Bring a rifle sling and your normal gear.
Not going to spend a lot of time on pistol except for transitions. We will spend a good amount of time on shotgun drills and rifle drills. For those who need to, we will confirm zeros for rifle and slug.
KestrelBike
10-10-2012, 07:42
You will use 3 guns in some of the drills.
50 rounds of pistol ammo. I'd bring 200 each of rifle and shotgun and 20 buckshot and 20 slugs. Bring a rifle sling and your normal gear.
Not going to spend a lot of time on pistol except for transitions. We will spend a good amount of time on shotgun drills and rifle drills. For those who need to, we will confirm zeros for rifle and slug.
For shotgun target loads, is #8 ok or is there that big a difference to #7.5? (Shotguns are a whole new, exciting world for me). I have a case of 250 shells of the 8.
mephistopheles
10-10-2012, 19:22
Bring your normal gear.
I don't know if there is already a thread for this but since I'm a newbie to the site and competitions, what kind of things do you guys have/consider normal gear?
I don't know if there is already a thread for this but since I'm a newbie to the site and competitions, what kind of things do you guys have/consider normal gear?
pistol w/3 mags
rifle(AR, AK, box mag fed rifle) 3 mags
Shotgun. bring what you got, but you will want one that holds 8rds preferably
sturdy gun belt
pistol holster(No IWB, crossdraw, shoulder mount.) a good kydex holster will work great.
double mag pouch
rifle mag pouch
A way to carry extra shotgun shells.
no steel core ammo
anything you don't have you will most likely be able to borrow. just post up what you may need.
mephistopheles
10-10-2012, 20:18
I will have to put the holster, mag holders, sling and a 8rd tube on the shopping list then. I won't have it all by the 20th but I'm sure ill get by. Do you guys rock scopes on the rifles or what? I kind of want to know what kind of set ups people go with.
I will have to put the holster, mag holders, sling and a 8rd tube on the shopping list then. I won't have it all by the 20th but I'm sure ill get by. Do you guys rock scopes on the rifles or what? I kind of want to know what kind of set ups people go with.
Make the holster you first priority, everything else you can borrow I'm sure.
What pistol are you using?
The scope/red dot thing is a personal choice. It would be best to just bring out what you already have to try it out. While you are there check out everyone else's set ups and see what you like.
mephistopheles
10-10-2012, 20:51
Sounds good. I will most likely be using my gen4 G21.
.40isthenew.45
10-11-2012, 18:55
Do I need to sign up in advance? What time should we show up to help setup?
Oh and Thanks for doing this.
KestrelBike
10-11-2012, 19:19
pistol w/3 mags
rifle(AR, AK, box mag fed rifle) 3 mags
Shotgun. bring what you got, but you will want one that holds 8rds preferably
sturdy gun belt
pistol holster(No IWB, crossdraw, shoulder mount.) a good kydex holster will work great.
double mag pouch
rifle mag pouch
A way to carry extra shotgun shells.
no steel core ammo
anything you don't have you will most likely be able to borrow. just post up what you may need.
When you say bring 3 rifle mags, do you also need 2 rifle mag pouches? Or is that 3rd rifle mag a spare in case one of the two you regularly use (1 in the rifle, 1 in the single rifle mag holder) fails?
Also, just to start out with, for a shotgun shell holder is one of those big-open hip pouches acceptable?
When you say bring 3 rifle mags, do you also need 2 rifle mag pouches? Or is that 3rd rifle mag a spare in case one of the two you regularly use (1 in the rifle, 1 in the single rifle mag holder) fails?
Also, just to start out with, for a shotgun shell holder is one of those big-open hip pouches acceptable?
for this "match" and almost all matches 2 mags will get you through a stage(unless its a long all rifle stage.) One mag really but I always carry a spare even if the stage only calls for 12rds of rifle.
the hip pouch will be problematic because you may have some heavy movement before you get to the shotgun and lose half your shells. Even a bandoleer maybe a better option temporarily. if you have an 8rd shotgun with a 6rd side saddle that will get you through a lot of stages.
KestrelBike
10-11-2012, 22:39
for this "match" and almost all matches 2 mags will get you through a stage(unless its a long all rifle stage.) One mag really but I always carry a spare even if the stage only calls for 12rds of rifle.
the hip pouch will be problematic because you may have some heavy movement before you get to the shotgun and lose half your shells. Even a bandoleer maybe a better option temporarily. if you have an 8rd shotgun with a 6rd side saddle that will get you through a lot of stages.
Very informative, thank you! I'll have to workout a solution for the shotgun shells, then.
I'll try to answer some of the questions.
First, it is a clinic, so there will be some Q&A, demos of technique.
Second, don't buy anything, bring what you can and get an idea of what works in this fairly equipment intensive sport.
Third, I will be there by 9am at the latest to set some stuff up. I will start at 10am, berm 11,12 (east end) of East berms.
Fourth, cost is $10 for the clinic to cover expenses.
Fifth, a pistol (2 mags and 50 rounds) and holster is needed, everything else is optional. The more you have already, the better the practive will be.
Sixth, bring it all means if you have 2 rifles, bring them so you can try them. Slings too.
Ammo, 50 rounds pistol, 200 rounds rifle, 150 rounds birdshot, 20 or so each of buck and slugs if you have it. Not necessary to go buy it if you don't have it already.
No need to sign up, just show up.
Range is www.crci.org (http://www.crci.org)
Personal issues have come up. Won't be able to make it tomorrow... Darn would have loved to join in!
Sorry.
For the rest, will be there at 9, will start at 10.
KestrelBike
10-19-2012, 22:56
Looking forward to this! Got all my gear packed finally. Definitely in "better safe than sorry" heavy-laden-down mode.
you guys dont have to much fun without me. I got called into work at 415 this morning and I dont think i will be getting out of here till well afternoon.
.40isthenew.45
10-20-2012, 18:23
Thanks Mark! For those that missed it, it was a great day.
You are most welcome!
When the long berms get built, we'll do a rifle only clinic day and stretch the ranges out. Hopefully November sometime if the snow holds off.
muddywings
11-01-2012, 11:35
You are most welcome!
When the long berms get built, we'll do a rifle only clinic day and stretch the ranges out. Hopefully November sometime if the snow holds off.
Mark,
I finally built my first AR and I'm looking to take a class or two, get into 3 gun etc.
The AR isn't anything 3 gun specific. It's more a home defense, SHTF, zombie killer, insert the .22lr conversion kit and go plink type of build (IMO).
With that being said, I'm no super marksmen and just want to learn how to shoot better and have some fun.
I see that you might have a rifle course in november which I would probably benefit a lot from.
I'm down in Colorado Springs but was thinking about joining CRCI and making the drive every so often to shoot.
Was curious if the rifle course required a scope or if iron sights will fit in with the course you may hold? I have a red dot but nothing for long distance. My build is here, via page 84: http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showthread.php?t=7854&page=84
The other guns I have is a mossberg 590 pump and a FNX-9.
Any insight or if you can keep me in the loop I would appreciate it.
I'll keep an eye out in here.
dwalker460
11-01-2012, 12:00
I hope the weather holds and we can do a competition in November, would love to come out and try this and get an idea of how bad I suck and need to improve on for Spring
muddywings
11-01-2012, 12:31
I hope the weather holds and we can do a competition in November, would love to come out and try this and get an idea of how bad I suck and need to improve on for Spring
that is exactly my thoughts too....
How does Black Friday sound? The day after thanksgiving...
dwalker460
11-01-2012, 13:29
I might be in TN that weekend, but we will see. Sooner is always better for me ;)
muddywings
11-01-2012, 14:23
How does Black Friday sound? The day after thanksgiving...
the boss gave the go ahead. In fact she might like to take the course too.
How much of a pain would it be with two people sharing one rifle?
I'll keep an eye on this thread if it turns into a "go" and will sign up.
Sharing equipment won't be a problem at all. Weather will be the deciding factor.
muddywings
11-01-2012, 15:03
Sharing equipment won't be a problem at all. Weather will be the deciding factor.
Understand and agree. learning in sub-freezing or snow storm weather is for the young. We'll cross our fingers.
Liberty308
11-03-2012, 11:09
Would like to make the clinic but I am already committed to shooting in a 3-Gun match at my home range on Black Friday. I'll keep my eyes peeled on this thread for the next one.
KestrelBike
11-03-2012, 17:32
You are most welcome!
When the long berms get built, we'll do a rifle only clinic day and stretch the ranges out. Hopefully November sometime if the snow holds off.
finally posting a Thank You! It was an awesome day, and I came away with a million more questions despite all the answers. (IE my world got expanded with how many factors there are in 3-gun). Really helped me figure out the things I need to work on, and it prepared me very well for the first 3-Gun match I shot at Lake George late last month.
I'm still thinking about taking some of the material out of my SLP!
You are certainly welcome!
Liberty308
11-14-2012, 06:10
Would like to make the clinic but I am already committed to shooting in a 3-Gun match at my home range on Black Friday. I'll keep my eyes peeled on this thread for the next one.
Changed my plans and I'm going to make it to the clinic. Hopefully nice weather that day.
muddywings
11-14-2012, 15:15
Changed my plans and I'm going to make it to the clinic. Hopefully nice weather that day.
Long term forecast looks favorable.....damm, just jinked it.
More info on the class posted in this thread: http://www.ar-15.co/threads/71443-Intro-to-3Gun?p=731741#post731741
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