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brokenscout
05-22-2012, 08:31
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/15/us-arms-usa-treaty-idUSTRE59E0Q920091015
Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.
The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the United States would support the talks as long as the negotiating forum, the so-called Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty, "operates under the rules of consensus decision-making."
"Consensus is needed to ensure the widest possible support for the Treaty and to avoid loopholes in the Treaty that can be exploited by those wishing to export arms irresponsibly," Clinton said in a written statement.
While praising the Obama administration's decision to overturn the Bush-era policy and to proceed with negotiations to regulate conventional arms sales, some groups criticized the U.S. insistence that decisions on the treaty be unanimous.
"The shift in position by the world's biggest arms exporter is a major breakthrough in launching formal negotiations at the United Nations in order to prevent irresponsible arms transfers," Amnesty International and Oxfam International said in a joint statement.
However, they said insisting that decisions on the treaty be made by consensus "could fatally weaken a final deal."
"Governments must resist US demands to give any single state the power to veto the treaty as this could hold the process hostage during the course of negotiations. We call on all governments to reject such a veto clause," said Oxfam International's policy adviser Debbie Hillier.
The proposed legally binding treaty would tighten regulation of, and set international standards for, the import, export and transfer of conventional weapons.
Supporters say it would give worldwide coverage to close gaps in existing regional and national arms export control systems that allow weapons to pass onto the illicit market.
Nations would remain in charge of their arms export control arrangements but would be legally obliged to assess each export against criteria agreed under the treaty. Governments would have to authorize transfers in writing and in advance.
The main opponent of the treaty in the past was the U.S. Bush administration, which said national controls were better. Last year, the United States accounted for more than two-thirds of some $55.2 billion in global arms transfer deals.
Arms exporters China (http://www.reuters.com/places/china), Russia and Israel abstained last year in a U.N. vote on the issue.
The proposed treaty is opposed by conservative U.S. think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, which said last month that it would not restrict the access of "dictators and terrorists" to arms but would be used to reduce the ability of democracies such as Israel to defend their people.
The U.S. lobbying group the National Rifle Association has also opposed the treaty.
A resolution before the U.N. General Assembly is sponsored by seven nations including major arms exporter Britain. It calls for preparatory meetings in 2010 and 2011 for a conference to negotiate a treaty in 2012.
(Editing by Eric Beech (http://blogs.reuters.com/search/journalist.php?edition=us&n=eric.beech&))
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StagLefty
05-22-2012, 08:33
Reuters date 3 years ago ???

brokenscout
05-22-2012, 08:35
Reuters date 3 years ago ???
Im still sleepy,got it in an email this morning:)TY

StagLefty
05-22-2012, 08:50
Im still sleepy,got it in an email this morning:)TY

[ROFL1] I did too just now [Coffee]

aahorn
05-22-2012, 09:09
this brokenscout fella is a real post whore today [Beer]

brokenscout
05-22-2012, 09:10
this brokenscout fella is a real post whore today [Beer]
My meds havent kicked in,ass:)

aahorn
05-22-2012, 09:11
they medicate whores now? interesting.. haha

brokenscout
05-22-2012, 09:13
Yes,and I dont know:)

BPTactical
05-22-2012, 09:24
Old news or not we need to pay attention to this.
There are 3 UN treaties that will be coming up for scrutiny and possibly votes within the next month or so.
1- 21- Law of the Sea
2- 4 - Childrens Rights (attached to Human Rights)
3- 26- Small Arms Trade.

You need to do some homework on these. All have VERY detrimental effects to US sovergnty (sp).
People, this is One World Government in our faces.
If a treaty is ratified by our Congress it is irrevocable.

Ronin13
05-22-2012, 09:27
Still, it would appear that no matter how old this story or issue is, it's one that the Obama administration is doing a stellar job at- destroying now the gun manufacturer economy, along with every single other part of the economy. What next? Are they going to phuck up the auto industry- oh too late... [Bang]

Great-Kazoo
05-22-2012, 15:19
this brokenscout fella is a real post whore today [Beer]


See the ak's he posted over on armslist:)

ruthabagah
05-22-2012, 15:34
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Jefe's AR
05-22-2012, 15:38
If a treaty is ratified by our Congress it is irrevocable.

No, not really. No treaty or agreement can override the US Constitution. Congress with ratification by the States can add, amend, or remove an amendment. I.e. Prohibition.

GilpinGuy
05-22-2012, 17:52
Old news or not we need to pay attention to this.
There are 3 UN treaties that will be coming up for scrutiny and possibly votes within the next month or so.
1- 21- Law of the Sea
2- 4 - Childrens Rights (attached to Human Rights)
3- 26- Small Arms Trade.

You need to do some homework on these. All have VERY detrimental effects to US sovergnty (sp).
People, this is One World Government in our faces.
If a treaty is ratified by our Congress it is irrevocable.

It takes 2/3 of the Senate to approve a Treaty. That's 66 or 67 votes. Pray that we kick some ass in November so this can't happen.

hatidua
05-22-2012, 18:24
The U.S., signing off on something that says it can't sell arms to other countries? -FAT CHANCE.