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If your dog attacks a home burglar and he pulls out a knife with intention of stabbing your dog, is there any legal actions you can take?
I think that would fall under make my day since your life is threatened by the knife...... Could be wrong
But essentially he isn't really threatening you yet. Your dogs life is at jeopardy.
SouthPaw
05-22-2012, 14:37
If your dog attacks a home burglar and he pulls out a knife with intention of stabbing your dog, is there any legal actions you can take?
Someone breaking into my house with a knife is a threat whether he is going after my dog or not. As my CCW instructor told me and many others probably teach the same; STOP. THE. THREAT.
Zundfolge
05-22-2012, 14:37
Under Colorado's "Make My Day Law" once he's broken into your house and you have reason to believe he will commit any other crime (stabbing your dog would count as another crime) you can use lethal force.
BPTactical
05-22-2012, 14:44
Under Colorado's "Make My Day Law" once he's broken into your house and you have reason to believe he will commit any other crime (stabbing your dog would count as another crime) you can use lethal force.
Winner!
This is a correct interpretation of the law to the best of my knowledge and as my attorney relayed it as well.
OneGuy67
05-22-2012, 14:45
18-1-704.5. Use of deadly physical force against an intruder.
"Notwithstanding the provisions of section 18-1-704, any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant. "
Shit anyone going after one of my dogs regardless the location is going to eat some lead.
Breaks into your house? Shoot da sumbitch before he gets a chance to hurt your dog, or anyone else!
Under Colorado's "Make My Day Law" once he's broken into your house and you have reason to believe he will commit any other crime (stabbing your dog would count as another crime) you can use lethal force.
I love living in CO!
If your dog attacks a home burglar and he pulls out a knife with intention of stabbing your dog, is there any legal actions you can take?
Shoot the burglar.
now comes the discussion of having a shotgun or a handgun or rifle? what happens if your dog is on the burglar? do you risk hitting the dog with the shotgun?
what if he had your wife or child at knife point?
now comes the discussion of having a shotgun or a handgun or rifle? what happens if your dog is on the burglar? do you risk hitting the dog with the shotgun?
what if he had your wife or child at knife point?
This is why God gave us laser optics for our guns!
Sbr or 1911 (maybe a G19).
Sbr or 1911 (maybe a G19).
quick slug change over via Magpul
/smiley of some kind
Rucker61
05-22-2012, 15:08
Shoot the burglar.
He's not a burglar; burglars just steal stuff. He's an intruder, and might jet be there for the tv, or he might be a homicidal maniac or drug fiend. No benefit of the doubt should be granted.
10mm-man
05-22-2012, 15:12
If your dog attacks a home burglar and he pulls out a knife with intention of stabbing your dog, is there any legal actions you can take?
YEA, your firearm......
Great-Kazoo
05-22-2012, 15:13
If your dog attacks a home burglar and he pulls out a knife with intention of stabbing your dog, is there any legal actions you can take?
Have you read any of Colorado's CRS regarding use of deadly force??
In house with knife and you ask about legal action, seriously.
StagLefty
05-22-2012, 15:19
Immediately go to this forum and ask the burglar to wait a sec and post a new thread "What should I do ?"[ROFL1]
Great-Kazoo
05-22-2012, 15:20
Immediately go to this forum and ask the burglar to wait a sec and post a new thread "What should I do ?"[ROFL1]
Deagler has go to be ronin's long lost twin. Since ronin's gotten in touch with reality, someone had to fill his shoes.
Zundfolge
05-22-2012, 16:01
18-1-704.5. Use of deadly physical force against an intruder.
"Notwithstanding the provisions of section 18-1-704, any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant. "
That's what I was looking for (got distracted by work while I was searching for that).
Have you read any of Colorado's CRS regarding use of deadly force??
In house with knife and you ask about legal action, seriously.
I'm not gonna be hard on the kid ... there was a time when all of us were newbies.
I'm not gonna be hard on the kid ... there was a time when all of us were newbies.
But when most of us were newbies we didn't have the interwebs...
Uninvited in my house, Two to the chest, one to the head. Going after the dog with a knife, Mag dump. Don't mess with my dog.
Great-Kazoo
05-22-2012, 16:36
I'm not gonna be hard on the kid ... there was a time when all of us were newbies.
Yes we were. We also know how to use the search function, FAQ's surf the web and IF a CCW holder, KNOW the basic C.R.S. for Use of Deadly Force. It's one of the most important pieces of paper ALL instructors should be giving their students as well as discuss in or during class.
Can i quote it verbatim off the top of my head, no. Do i know it, yes.
Lethal force is authorized and I'll help fund your defense. Remember these words " I feared for my life and they gave me no other choice."
spqrzilla
05-22-2012, 17:13
Someone is overthinking things.
Breaks into your house? Shoot da sumbitch before he gets a chance to hurt your dog, or anyone else!
I love living in CO!
Best answer. Why wait? I have 3 daughters; You think I'm waiting?
2008f450
05-23-2012, 00:26
I have 2 small boys and a wife in the house. She knows if im not there she shoots intruder until they are no longer a threat. As far as choice of weapon, first choice would be 12GA for shear stopping power. But if others are too close I go to a 1911.She has her 686 close by at all times when I am not home.
What if it is your girlfriend's dog and you never liked it anyway?
StagLefty
05-23-2012, 07:48
What if it is your girlfriend's dog and you never liked it anyway?
Worse yet-what if you always liked the dog better than the girlfriend [ROFL1]
UncleDave
05-23-2012, 08:04
Uninvited in my house, Two to the chest, one to the head. Going after the dog with a knife, Mag dump. Don't mess with my dog.
Totally! Don't mess with one of my dogs! However since I have 2 German Shepherds and a Rottweiler I doubt that the intruder would have the opportunity to get said knife before they were using him for a game of tug-of-war.
He's not a burglar; burglars just steal stuff. He's an intruder, and might jet be there for the tv, or he might be a homicidal maniac or drug fiend. No benefit of the doubt should be granted.
The OP referred to him as a burglar, thus I referred to him as a burglar.
Bailey Guns
05-23-2012, 09:36
There's no difference between burglar and intruder in practical terms when talking about a dwelling.
Burglary is basically defined as entering unlawfully or remaining unlawfully with the intent to commit a crime therein (against persons or property). If the burglar/intruder is armed with a deadly weapon it's 1st Deg Burglary.
Totally! Don't mess with one of my dogs! However since I have 2 German Shepherds and a Rottweiler I doubt that the intruder would have the opportunity to get said knife before they were using him for a game of tug-of-war.
You'd be surprised how docile a dog becomes when you provide them with chew toys.. I turned my neighbors snarling, barking Shepherd into a sweet playful fluff ball.. The only thing she does now is beg.
UncleDave
05-23-2012, 10:32
That only happens with my boys if I let you in the door. Otherwise it's bite first and play later.
You'd be surprised how docile a dog becomes when you provide them with chew toys.. I turned my neighbors snarling, barking Shepherd into a sweet playful fluff ball.. The only thing she does now is beg.
Now see that's why you need a aggressive breed...
Like my Jack Corgi Mix Guido's (nickname). I have been tore up by a few dogs in the day but this little guy is pure nastyness when he gets ticked.
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You'd be surprised how docile a dog becomes when you provide them with chew toys.. I turned my neighbors snarling, barking Shepherd into a sweet playful fluff ball.. The only thing she does now is beg.
This brings up a great point about dogs.
Lots of folks think that their dog will suddenly turn into Protecto-Hound when danger rears.
Most of these folks are wrong.
Dogs, like humans, will, when threatened with danger, resort to their training.
Lethal force is authorized and I'll help fund your defense. Remember these words " I feared for my life and they gave me no other choice."fail
try "I need to speak to an attorney sir."
UncleDave
05-25-2012, 08:40
This brings up a great point about dogs.
Lots of folks think that their dog will suddenly turn into Protecto-Hound when danger rears.
Most of these folks are wrong.
Dogs, like humans, will, when threatened with danger, resort to their training.
With dogs it is about training and instinct. I used to train Shutzhund (for the uninitiated that is the training that military and police dogs get) and a properly trained dog knoes when it should be in family mode, and then can flip a switch to protection mode when needed. Shepherds, Rotties, Dobermans generally do not need much training to encourage this instinct, if they are descendant from good working stock. They know if someone belongs or not and are excellent judges of character. I can recount many stories from my childhood, before I started training working dogs of Shepherd's we had that had no training that knew something was not right and protected the family with a single-minded purpose. Not to say that they are a catch all. A determined intruder can find a way around any obsticle you put in his way, bit generally if you have a pack of big naturally aggressive dogs they will go to easier pickings. BTW I had a buddy that in his youth was a criminal, did a lot of burglaries. He said the same thing about giving my dogs a steak. So, I challenged him to do it when I was not there. He said that he nearly was eaten by my boys.
newracer
05-25-2012, 08:50
My GSD is very protective of my family. She never lets my boys get more than few yards away from her at all times. Once they were in the back yard jumping on the trampoline and my Dad sneaked in from the side gate. He came around the corner and yelled trying to scare my boys. She ran up and bit him before she realized who he was.
With dogs it is about training and instinct. I used to train Shutzhund (for the uninitiated that is the training that military and police dogs get) and a properly trained dog knoes when it should be in family mode, and then can flip a switch to protection mode when needed. Shepherds, Rotties, Dobermans generally do not need much training to encourage this instinct, if they are descendant from good working stock. They know if someone belongs or not and are excellent judges of character. I can recount many stories from my childhood, before I started training working dogs of Shepherd's we had that had no training that knew something was not right and protected the family with a single-minded purpose. Not to say that they are a catch all. A determined intruder can find a way around any obsticle you put in his way, bit generally if you have a pack of big naturally aggressive dogs they will go to easier pickings. BTW I had a buddy that in his youth was a criminal, did a lot of burglaries. He said the same thing about giving my dogs a steak. So, I challenged him to do it when I was not there. He said that he nearly was eaten by my boys.
Excellent points, Dave. I especially liked this line: "generally do not need much training to encourage this instinct, if they are descendant from good working stock." I couldn't agree more... proper breeding makes a WORLD of difference.
You and I both know there's a huge difference between show lines and working lines. Unfortunately, many people don't. They think "A German Shepherd Dog is a German Shepherd Dog is a German Shepherd Dog".
(P.S., Know any good Mondio Ring trainers in the area?)
UncleDave
05-25-2012, 13:25
Sorry I am not hooked up with the Shutzhud community here I trained in northern California.
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